.284?

[pickrel pat]

sittin around with buddy, and hes thinkin of buyin new gun....hes thinkin .308, 30-06.... he knows ammo is cheap for these popular rounds but wants to be original, more unique........ money is no object. he will be hunting deer, bear, elk, moose....... i suggested a .284, what do you guys suggest as a non popular caliber for him?

[Lefty-Canuck]

.270 Allen....my Fathers buddy was having one made. Deal was my Dad would be the first to pull the trigger. Dad passed before that was possible.

LC

[bagwan]

280AI. Nosler makes factory ammo now. Picked some up at Cabelas.

[NBFK]

284s are only good if you handload. They were clambered in a bunch of weak actions so the factory loads are way backed down. Mines killed elk,moose and deer no problems. Also. Built on a short action you lose to much case capacity shooting anything over a 140. If I could choose I would have a 280 ai for sure. Little bit easier for finding brass.

[catnthehat]

284s are only good if you handload. They were clambered in a bunch of weak actions so the factory loads are way backed down. Mines killed elk,moose and deer no problems. Also. Built on a short action you lose to much case capacity shooting anything over a 140. If I could choose I would have a 280 ai for sure. Little bit easier for finding brass.
What actions were they chambered in that were weak?
The 100, the 88?

Crap, those in particular were chambered in 308 and 243, both cartridges that are pretty high pressure for their size.
The danged cartridge was designed for short actions, and does not lose a whole bunch on case capacity, but it was also designed to shoot the 140's anyway.
I wouldn't buy one on general principal, simply because i would rather neck it down to 6.5/284.
That all being said, I doubt if there is a single cartridge out there built that is head and shoulders above anything else being made at this time - EXCEPT for the favourite of the person who owns it!:)
Cat

[Grizzly Adams]

7 mm Rem. Mag :D .284, but faster,more powerful and versatile. Local store has rounds if you're not into hand loading. My no. one choice for decades and No regret.

Grizz

[kayaker]

7x64 Brenneke.

Tikka, Sako, CZ, Blaser, Sauer and others chamber for it (almost all Euro makers do, its super popular there, even Remington did a run in the 90's). Equivalent to the .280Rem, great round and has some kool factor.

Now if he can find it in a classic old BRNO 21 he will be uber cool!

[Pathfinder76]

7MM Mashburn Super.

[1100winger]

easy on the shoulder, supremely accurate (now that's uber kool) and will knock down anything you want to shoot at within 200 yards. Or you can give it a bit of HP and even more uber koolness by rolling the barrel to Ackley Improved. Same can be said of the 6.5 Swede. Add in all the combinations if you were to handload - and these two calibers alone will soak up hours of research and time at the firing range. Of course you could pick an '06 too!

[Pioneer2]

Yes, very sexy.I have one in a BRNO 21H with double triggers and a butterknife bolt handle.Three in one hole with either 140gr or 160gr.Very surgical.I handloaded a Savage lever for a buddy years ago in .284 and it shot great with H-414 which is the same as Win 760 and the 140gr............Harold

[Bobby B.]

6.5/284 or 260 Rem or 6.5x55 Swede. Build a custom rifle around one of these three cartridges and you'll never regret it. Since building my 260, my 7RM stays at home other than my two trips for PG.

Bobby B.

[catnthehat]

6.5/284 or 260 Rem or 6.5x55 Swede. Build a custom rifle around one of these three cartridges and you'll never regret it. Since building my 260, my 7RM stays at home other than my two trips for PG.

Bobby B.
Between the three I STILL can't decide which I like best!!:sHa_sarcasticlol:
Cat

[duffy4]

So far almost all the talk has been about cartridges.

What kind of rifle is he interested in?

A bolt action or lever action or single shot or a semi-auto? Does he like the look and feel of a nice piece of wood for a stock or does he like stainless and synthetic?

Some time back I had a yen to buy a winchester Model 100 semi-auto. My cartridge choices were limited of course to .243, .308 and .284.
I found and bought one in .284 and then awhile later bought one in .308.

The Savage Model 99 is a classic rifle. I bought one in .300 savage (a classic cartridge). I would not have bought a different rifle in .300 savage. It was the combination of rifle and cartridge I wanted.

[Traps]

7mm-08 with premium bullets will take anything your after.

[Lefty-Canuck]

.270 Allen....my Fathers buddy was having one made. Deal was my Dad would be the first to pull the trigger. Dad passed before that was possible.

LC

Here is info on this cartridge....looks fun!

Parent Case: 7mm or 300 Remington Ultra Magnum (fireformed brass available with rifle orders)

Preferred Bullets: 130 and 140 grain Accubond, 130, 140 and 150 grain Ballistic Tips, 169.5 gr ULD RBBT Wildcat.

Recommended Powders: Ramshot Magnum, H-US896, WC-860 and WC-872

Recommended Primers: Federal 215 Large Rifle Magnum

Velocity Performance:
Bullet Weight Muzzle Velocity(30" barrel length)
130 gr. 3750 fps
140 gr. 3650 fps
150 gr. 3550 fps
169.5 gr. (custom) 3450 fps

Ballistic Performance:
Bullet Weight: 130 gr. Accubond @ 3750 fps, 250 yard zero, 10 mph

Yardage velocity wind drift Energy TOF(sec)
400 2897fps 7.8" 2423 ft/lbs 0.364
600 2529 18.7" 1845 0.586
800 2189 35.4" 1383 0.841
1000 1878 59.3" 1018 1.137

Bullet Weight: 169.5 gr. ULD RBBT @ 3450 fps, 250 yard zero,10mph

Yardage velocity wind drift energy TOF
400 2963 fps 4.9" 3313 ft/lb 0.375
600 2739 11.3" 2831 0.586
800 2526 20.9" 2409 0.814
1000 2323 33.8" 2037 1.061
1200 2130 50.7" 1713 1.331

Recommended Uses: The 270 Allen Magnum was designed specifically for the use of hunting medium big game in the 200 to 600 pound class. The 270 A.M. is also the first APS wildcat that offered legit +1000 yard effective range on medium big game animals as it sustains over 1 ton of kenetic energy at 1000 yards. It also retains up to 2300 fps at this range which ensures full bullet expansion and energy transfer. The 270 A.M. is a true all around performer. Its just as at home in a lightweight sporter rifle for packing all day in rough country and hunting out to 700 yards, or as a medium weight rifle for dedicated long range precision big game hunting. While the barrel life of the 270 Allen Magnum is dramatically longer then its smaller Allen Magnum siblings, its still not recommended to use this wildcat as a high volume varmint chambering.

Effective Range: With commerical bullets, the 270 A.M. is best used at ranges from zero to 800 yards on medium size game. For elk hunting it is recommended that range be limited to no more then 600 yards with conventional commerical bullets. Using the 169.5 gr ULD RBBT from Wildcat Bullets, the 270 Allen Magnum offers legit +1200 yard range on medium to heavy deer species and 1/2 mile range on elk size targets.

Pros: Very easy to form brass for, formed brass available through APS with rifle orders, Extremely potent ballistic and terminal performance. Decent barrel life for performance level. Fits in Rem 700 receivers easily and its custom clones.

Cons: Commerical bullets really limit the 270 A.M.s performance potential. Custom 169.5 gr ULD RBBT not easily obtained from Wildcat Bullets but it is still listed as a production item. Relatively limited choice in reloading powders

LC

[cody c]

a .308 or 06, why not the best of both?


a .308-06?

:shake:

[catnthehat]

a .308 or 06, why not the best of both?


a .308-06?

:shake:
OOOHHHH, ANOTHER wildcat to explore!!
On second thought, I'm gonna take a 308 and neck it all the way down to 6.5 and call it? OOPS never mind........:sHa_sarcasticlol:
Cat

[Zuludog]

7mm-08 with premium bullets will take anything your after.

I'd go this route. In fact I have.

[1100winger]

So far almost all the talk has been about cartridges.

What kind of rifle is he interested in?

A bolt action or lever action or single shot or a semi-auto? Does he like the look and feel of a nice piece of wood for a stock or does he like stainless and synthetic?

Some time back I had a yen to buy a winchester Model 100 semi-auto. My cartridge choices were limited of course to .243, .308 and .284.
I found and bought one in .284 and then awhile later bought one in .308.

The Savage Model 99 is a classic rifle. I bought one in .300 savage (a classic cartridge). I would not have bought a different rifle in .300 savage. It was the combination of rifle and cartridge I wanted.
I have used a number of different actions/stock/barrel combinations; all have made me smile at the range. Best answer: it depends on personal preference. To date all exceptional shooters are bolt guns - but I have real itch for a superb single shot. It would be in either 6.5 swede and its grown up cousin the 7x57. Wood or plastic - only accurate guns stay in the safe. (or go for walks in the woods)

[pickrel pat]

thx for the replies, he will be wanting bolt action.

[TheLegend]

.577 t-rex

[jungleboy]

Not too many 45 70s out there ,I have one and I like it . I used it for the first time last year on my WT buck and it killed it very well .It was easy to track after too because it never took a half a step. I was surprised at the amount of damaged meat too. My 308 caused a lot more damage than that 45 70. If he wants to step away from the ordinary ,that's one option.

[thirty-30]

I am also pro .45-70, the big slower moving slug seems to cause less meat damage but the tissue shock drops them right where they are