Pressure Cracks + Trucks don't mix

[Pioneer2]

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Gull Lake today at 4PM lucky it high centered and nobody drowned,Driver able to exit through window.Harold

[crestliner192]

Ouch, looks like he got lucky not having the truck go all the way in.
Any idea if the got it out yet???

[skykomish sunrise]

which lake was this at?

[Pioneer2]

A tow truck came and was able to pull it out.I imagine the engine will have to be torn apart and cleaned re: H2O.............Harold

[KyleM]

Get out the wifes hairdryer

[Izumi]

Hahaha! Company truck too! :lol:

[stubblejumper]

And no insurance either.:cry:

[Alberta Bigbore]

yikers !!!! yeah, sort of makes me not feel to bad for not getting out that much this year and working my butt off instead. coulda been me. :D

[Roebag]

I heard the driver was on the fire and rescue team trying to get to a hurt snowmobiler on the north side of the pressure ridge.

[packhuntr]

if thats the case Roebag, it just became apparent they need to implement some ice rescue training, about grade 2 par type stuff!! I thought pressure heaves were self explanatory.

keep a strain on er.

[mud slug]

that picture right there is the main resson my truck stays on hard ground.

[Drewski Canuck]

I was out yesterday, and I am guessing that is north of Brownlow's. We saw lots of "wet white ice" in the vicinity of the pressure ridge. Given the minimal thickness in the photo, I hate to say I suspected open leads from the shifting sheets of ice. If this was flood ice that refreezes, you would see a deep blue color, as opposed to the whitish colour you see here in the picture. The pressure ridge itself had 3 foot thick ice piled about 8 feet tall right at the point north of Brownlow's, and it was very blue ice, except on either side where the sheet had broke free from the horizontal ice, after reaching considerable height.

Glad to see no one was hurt. If the motor was still running when the airbox submerged, the block is toast from the compression of the "watered" cylinder on the upstroke.

Drewski

[Izumi]

"the block is toast from the compression of the "watered" cylinder on the upstroke"

The engine will be fine, take out the spark plugs and crank it over till its dry.
Dry the Dizzy.

Water doesn't compress.

[willy]

Its a right off probly has insurance at least anyone driving on the ice should. Why call company truck dont see a sign?

[stubblejumper]

Its a right off probly has insurance at least anyone driving on the ice should.

Most insurance policies will not cover a vehicle if it goes through the ice,unless it is on a winter road approved by the department of transport.At least that is what my policy states.To top it off,if the vehicle goes through the ice,the owner is given a period of time to remove it,or the province will remove at the owners expense.

[Izumi]

The plate is commercial I think

Thats crazy a tow truck came for him. :lol:

[willy]

Looks farm plate to me. Dont know but we ask insurance agent that we want coverage and told us it was covered under comprehensive. Will have to check again i know 5 yrs ago friend dropped his thru and they covered removal and wrote it off paid him full value.

[Pioneer2]

There was 4' of ice elsewhere on the lake.I barely had enough auger to get through..........Harold

[Jamie Black R/T]

expect bent rods, broken pistons and a possible cracked block

water doesnt compress.....thats why parts break when water is taken into the chamber...saw a HEMI last year that took on water trying to launch a sea-doo....it was not pretty

[SNAPFisher]

That is scary!

To anyone getting on at Brownlows. Head right as soon as you are on the ice. You should find a worn track and nice passage over the heave that is practically at shore. I felt very safe crossing at this spot. The rest of the heave seems to be slowly rising as the ice expands and contracts.

[Pioneer2]

Personally I don't wear a seatbelt while driving on any lake or wander off the beaten[established] track............Just me............Harold

[Izumi]

expect bent rods, broken pistons and a possible cracked block

water doesnt compress.....thats why parts break when water is taken into the chamber...saw a HEMI last year that took on water trying to launch a sea-doo....it was not pretty

:huh: No way a block is going to crack from getting water in the combustion chamber. That's such an exaggeration... the Head Gasket would blow under that pressure long before a cast iron block would crack. More likely it would just stall.

[Izumi]

Personally I don't wear a seatbelt while driving on any lake or wander off the beaten[established] track............Just me............Harold

I don't either and I always roll on the lake with the window down a crack.

[Jamie Black R/T]

:huh: No way a block is going to crack from getting water in the combustion chamber. That's such an exaggeration... the Head Gasket would blow under that pressure long before a cast iron block would crack. More likely it would just stall.

never say never...it could happen and they will be looking for that when the machinist tears it down.....

but your probably right...on a stock motor if the head gasket holds you may just lose a rod like that HEMI i saw first hand....rod bent and piston went kaboom...was pretty cool LOL

[Izumi]

never say never...it could happen and they will be looking for that when the machinist tears it down.....

but your probably right...on a stock motor if the head gasket holds you may just lose a rod like that HEMI i saw first hand....rod bent and piston went kaboom...was pretty cool LOL

I could totally see the rod going if the HG did hold, just like breaking a timing chain! :sick:

[springfisher]

for sure the engine is done if water got into the cylinders before it stalled. i have worked in machineshops for 10 years and you would not belive what a really bad blowen head gasket will do to an engine. i remember one volkswagon that had one rod out the side of the block and the other wraped around the crank

[otto389]

I sank my chevy at a river crossing once and sucked my new 350 full of water.Pulled the oil drain plug to drain the crankcase(about 2 L of water came out before the oil started to come WOW),put new oil in,pulled the plugs to drain the cylinders,turned it over for a few seconds.Then we left it overnight.Next morning it still would'nt start because the mufflers were full of water and there was too much back pressure.A screwdriver and a hammer fixed those.A half cup of gas right down the carb and she sparked right up.Another oil change once we got home and it was like it never happened.That was about 15 years ago and I still have the truck.
Another guy i know had his truck roll into a lake backwards at a boatlaunch with the engine running(the roof was about 4 feet underwater)It took about a week and it was back on the road.Although he could never get the lake smell out of the cab.
The potential for damage is there,but in these instances there was no permanent damage.But a guy cannot wait to do something to fix it because raw cast iron such as the internal parts of an engine and the block itself will start to rust immidiately and then you may have problems.

[Izumi]

I sank my chevy at a river crossing once and sucked my new 350 full of water.Pulled the oil drain plug to drain the crankcase(about 2 L of water came out before the oil started to come WOW),put new oil in,pulled the plugs to drain the cylinders,turned it over for a few seconds.Then we left it overnight.Next morning it still would'nt start because the mufflers were full of water and there was too much back pressure.A screwdriver and a hammer fixed those.A half cup of gas right down the carb and she sparked right up.Another oil change once we got home and it was like it never happened.That was about 15 years ago and I still have the truck.
Another guy i know had his truck roll into a lake backwards at a boatlaunch with the engine running(the roof was about 4 feet underwater)It took about a week and it was back on the road.Although he could never get the lake smell out of the cab.
The potential for damage is there,but in these instances there was no permanent damage.But a guy cannot wait to do something to fix it because raw cast iron such as the internal parts of an engine and the block itself will start to rust immidiately and then you may have problems.


This is what I would expect.

I think you would have to have some really high RPM and a large quantity of water to make an impact strong enough to break a rod.

[The Ice Man]

The only way the block will crack rather then the gaskets take the force in my opinion is if the cold water cools the block faster then the iron can contract. I seen a guy try to wash his wheeler in the lake and do this.

I think (Not a mechanic) I would try replacing the air filter, and fluids, drying out the electrical in a heated garage and replacing the distributer cap/ignition box.

Ice Man

[Drewski Canuck]

Anyone in Edmonton will know that Lynnwood / Rio Terrace had flooded streets on July 11, 2004. Countless people tried to drive their vehicles through door deep water, only to blow apart their engines when the water got into the engine from the air box. There were right offs like crazy as alot of cars and trucks were not worth the cost of replacing an engine at new cost.

Water does not compress. Heads do crack. Piston rods blow under pressure.

Anyway, good luck to the fellow, and I hope I am wrong. Maybe he shorted out the engine control module before it drew water, and he is OK.

Drewski

[Mulestalker]

Some guy from Drum put his pickup in the Red Deer River, looked about the same as the picture above, happened the day before the cold spell,5 days later and $5,200 it was out,took a Cat and a flat bed winch truck and lots of chainsaw work,not sure if its thawed yet or running,one would think with flowing water that the silt would pack in every orifice possible.He may not be so lucky as draining the water and oil. Also possibly looking at some hefty fines from Environment Canada!

[Drano]

which lake was this at?

read the posts and you would know.

[cub]

ive seen it first hand , water was intaked through the air box and like everone else says water does not compress. any way bent 1 rod allmost 90 degrees , all we did was put a new rod and new piston for peace of mind and it ran fine for many years after. sometimes you get lucky sometimes you dont. just my 2 cents cub

[SNAPFisher]

Sorry guys, I find the talk of engine damage and pistons interesting but if I was in that situation the only thing I would be thinking about is getting my butt out and then helping any others that might be with me. Vehicles can be replaced.

[Drano]

Sorry guys, I find the talk of engine damage and pistons interesting but if I was in that situation the only thing I would be thinking about is getting my butt out and then helping any others that might be with me. Vehicles can be replaced.

Who really cares if it was a company truck or farm truck or whatever, the main thing is the people got out and no one was hurt. These things do happen, so lets not make light of other peoples problems, just be thankful it wasn't yourself. Lets hope it does not happen to anyone else.

Just my 2 cents...

Drano...

[Mike_W]

Pioneer 2 did you take the picture or see it yourself?

I thought I seen this pic last year ....it could just be really similar.

[moosehunter3-0]

yes they are our pics. i was with him

[moosehunter3-0]

Look in Thurs. Feb.21/08 Red Deer Advocate A2

[Dr. Phil A]

I work with the guy's wife and it appears the damage is minimal. A security module and then draining the fluids. A bit of dehumidifying and a thorough inspection. Some body damage.

[redneck fishing]

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Gull Lake today at 4PM lucky it high centered and nobody drowned,Driver able to exit through window.Harold

luckie it not a ford or dodge hey

[wake]

There are some simple rules when driving on a frozen lake.

-Make sure the ice is thick enough.
-Drive under 15kmh, going faster actually causes waves to be created under the ice and pushes it ahead of the vehicle causing ice with nothing underneath (water) and making a weak spot.
-Seatbelt off
-window open,and or door unlatched.
-Stay away from presuure ridges and large cracks.

[Pioneer2]

Just happy no one else got hurt! You can always replace a vehical....Harold

[Shovelhead 74]

Buddy's licence plate reads "NO ICE" not because of drugs!!
He went through the ice a few years back with a new truck.
OUCH!

[muzzy]

Insurance should cover I have inse broker friend and asked him as i do lots of fishing with truck on lake ice Its covered No different than smashing a truck driving across a field or in bush trail they aren't roads but you are covered

Gord