Toronto Police in Niqabs??

[Rocky7]

Spotting a policewoman carrying out her duties while clad in a burqa or niqab might strike many living in a western democracy as being bizarre. Yet, incredibly, the Toronto Police Service is actually open to the idea of burqa/niqab-clad police officers if such "reasonable accommodation" helps recruit more Muslim policewomen.

You heard that correctly: we're talking Toronto's police service - not Tehran's.

The back story: last fall, I reported that the Toronto Police had quietly altered its uniform requirements to allow Muslim policewomen to wear the hijab.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2012/03/20120315-105922.html


Bizarre. Just......... bizarre.

Unless we get rid of Queen Redford, I can definitely see this in Alberta's future, too.


:stressed:

[rugatika]

Spotting a policewoman carrying out her duties while clad in a burqa or niqab might strike many living in a western democracy as being bizarre. Yet, incredibly, the Toronto Police Service is actually open to the idea of burqa/niqab-clad police officers if such "reasonable accommodation" helps recruit more Muslim policewomen.

You heard that correctly: we're talking Toronto's police service - not Tehran's.

The back story: last fall, I reported that the Toronto Police had quietly altered its uniform requirements to allow Muslim policewomen to wear the hijab.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2012/03/20120315-105922.html


Bizarre. Just......... bizarre.

Unless we get rid of Queen Redford, I can definitely see this in Alberta's future, too.


:stressed:



Nope, still 2 weeks away from April Fools. Unbelievable. Hilarious. Sad.

[greylynx]

Omfg

[darwix]

One quick thing, Niqab is not an Islamic thing, its more cultural. Hijab is Islamic.

I've seen officers with ski-masks, whats the difference?

[jryley]

One quick thing, Niqab is not an Islamic thing, its more cultural. Hijab is Islamic.

I've seen officers with ski-masks, whats the difference?

The difference is these folks expect to be able to express and
Uphold their ethnic traditions....thats all swell and
Great....but damned if its at the expense of our canadian traditions....ie a uniformed officer. If they use the arguement "traditions need to
Evolve with society" that i always hear why cant their traditions
Evolve as well?

[darwix]

What I see is people want to keep it their way and only their way. They don't want to accept other traditions, its "be like us or get out"

[Jayhad]

if an officer can concel thier identity from me I should be able to concel my indentity from them.

[darwix]

if an officer can concel thier identity from me I should be able to concel my indentity from them.

Once again I say, I have seen police with ski-masks walking the streets. Whats the difference?

[jryley]

What I see is people want to keep it their way and only their way. They don't want to accept other traditions, its "be like us or get out"

Again, that arguement can be thrown around both ways. I think most canadians are happy to have people join our fine nation. But there has to be some sort of cultural acceptance on the part of immigrants. I find it disgusting that people come here, and make no VISIBLE effort to be canadian.

[jryley]

Once again I say, I have seen police with ski-masks walking the streets. Whats the difference?

If its cold or part of an operation then your arguement is just stupid man.

Are we going to allow buddhists to wear police issued robes at some
Point in the name of cultural identity? Should an
NHL hockey player be allowed to wear a pink helmet on a blue
Uniformed team because pink was a sacred color in his
Home nation? Eff no! Us canadians are an accepting bunch....but when my
14 month old son turns 18 and i sit down with him for a
Beer you bet your arse i want to be able to chat about
The great traditions our country has built.

[eastcoast]

If its cold or part of an operation then your arguement is just stupid man.

Are we going to allow buddhists to wear police issued robes at some
Point in the name of cultural identity? Should an
NHL hockey player be allowed to wear a pink helmet on a blue
Uniformed team because pink was a sacred color in his
Home nation? Eff no! Us canadians are an accepting bunch....but when my
14 month old son turns 18 and i sit down with him for a
Beer you bet your arse i want to be able to chat about
The great traditions our country has built.

:scared0018:

[jryley]

:scared0018:

Lol i meant it in the sense that we welcome people from across the globe. However, my thoughts are we need to uphold certain traditions and
Cultural identities that have made
Canada the country it is. And i stress certain traditions.

[jryley]

Lol everyones a critic eh east coast. Ha.

Ok well you boys pound sand! Im off to the sportsmens show!!!

Cheers fellas!!!!

[Jayhad]

Once again I say, I have seen police with ski-masks walking the streets. Whats the difference?

The difference is if I ask an officer to remove his/her ski mask so I can be assured they are who they say they are has no reason not too. A woman wearing a Hijab believes she can't remove it.

[darius]

david menzies is a sensationalist ,

I expect nothing from him as a journalist and he delivers every time !

[darwix]

Lol everyones a critic eh east coast. Ha.

Ok well you boys pound sand! Im off to the sportsmens show!!!

Cheers fellas!!!!

If a police is doing their job and doing it right, why not?

Come on how can you start your morning by just reading comments, you have to have some exitement in your life.. :fighting0074:

Its just funny how people get all paranoid, like now all of the Islamic women that wear niqabs are going to go and become police officers, if any i guarantee it wont be more than 1 or 2 in Canada..

But anyways say what you want everyone has different opinions, I personally don't care about niqabs, its not mandatory in Islam.

Bob marley and Coffee time!

[darwix]

The difference is if I ask an officer to remove his/her ski mask so I can be assured they are who they say they are has no reason not too. A woman wearing a Hijab believes she can't remove it.

Hahahaha, wow thats a first.. Go ask an officer wearing a ski-mask to take the ski-mask off see what they tell you. Please record it, i'll pay!

And btw we are talking about niqabs here not hijabs.

[Ryry4]

Once again I say, I have seen police with ski-masks walking the streets. Whats the difference?

So you have absolutely no problem being stopped by someone with a ski mask on and a gun on their hip? You then will hand over your personal information without asking them to reveal their identity to you?

[darwix]

So you have absolutely no problem being stopped by someone with a ski mask on and a gun on their hip? You then will hand over your personal information without asking them to reveal their identity to you?

If they are driving a cop car and have a gun, do I have a choice?

[CaberTosser]

The difference is these folks expect to be able to express and
Uphold their ethnic traditions....thats all swell and
Great....but damned if its at the expense of our canadian traditions....ie a uniformed officer. If they use the arguement "traditions need to
Evolve with society" that i always hear why cant their traditions
Evolve as well?


Precisely. Surely we would be called prejudiced or similar if we fought against such concessions; but where are the reciprocal concessions? And why have a quota for certain gender certain religion officers in the first place? Just hire the best candidates: period.

[Smackdown]

Not that I care one way or another.......forget the whole religious thing..... if you get in a tussle wouldn't it be a safety concern if someone just gives the cloth in your face a tug and blinds your vision? Lets face it bad people do bad things and I think they may enjoy the opportunity to do it even easier:budo::argue2:

[darwix]

True True.. But what frustrates me is most of the people complain not because they are might wear niqabs, but because they will see MUSLIM police officers.

[Jayhad]

True True.. But what frustrates me is most of the people complain not because they are might wear niqabs, but because they will see MUSLIM police officers.

That's not fair.... I have no issue with muslims, PERIOD. Niqabs are not a requirement of Islam.

[darwix]

That's not fair.... I have no issue with muslims, PERIOD. Niqabs are not a requirement of Islam.

:grouphug:

[eastcoast]

That's not fair.... I have no issue with muslims, PERIOD. Niqabs are not a requirement of Islam.

I don't think coyboy hats are a requirement of being calgarian either.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20090728/Cowboy_Calgary_090728/

[DarkAisling]

I personally think the Hijab is okay, though I think it a little weird that the dress code has been altered to accommodate it. It would still allow people to say the officer's face.

The thought of a burqa or niqab being permitted is absolutely horrifying to me.

[Albertadiver]

I don't think coyboy hats are a requirement of being calgarian either.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20090728/Cowboy_Calgary_090728/

Cowboy hats don't cover up your face, other than give a bit of shade.



Honestly, I would not / could not take a police officer seriously wearing a Niqab. A headress, fine, so be it. The Turban is already being worn on the force, so no big deal.

Bottom line for me though:

HIRE QUALIFIED PEOPLE ONLY. NOT BASED ON FILLING SOME POLITICALLY CORRECT RACIAL OR SEX QUOTA.

[mudbug]

Cowboy hats don't cover up your face, other than give a bit of shade.



Honestly, I would not / could not take a police officer seriously wearing a Niqab. A headress, fine, so be it. The Turban is already being worn on the force, so no big deal.

Bottom line for me though:

HIRE QUALIFIED PEOPLE ONLY. NOT BASED ON FILLING SOME POLITICALLY CORRECT RACIAL OR SEX QUOTA.

Good bottom line and I agree with it :)

[Ryry4]

If they are driving a cop car and have a gun, do I have a choice?

So you'd pull over for me if I had a Crown Vic and a pistol on my side? You sure are a trusting guy. Impersonating an officer isn't that hard to do if you really want to.

[Rocky7]

I don't think coyboy hats are a requirement of being calgarian either.

You heard wrong. It's Calgary.

[BBT]

And btw we are talking about niqabs here not hijabs.


Or Jayhads?



They should use her for undercover work. :scared0018:

[splitflame]

Yeah crazy :thinking-006:

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[Rocky7]

They should use her for undercover work.

That would make some sense. But, I doubt it's happening.

[Albertadiver]

Big difference from swat duties to standard patrol or other police duties splitflame.

[splitflame]

Big difference from swat duties to standard patrol or other police duties splitflame.

I didn't see the part that said she would do standard patrol duties

[honda450]

Myself I see it as a great tool for the Toronto Police Service. They could use her a a suicide bomber. Get the bad guys. :sHa_shakeshout:

[jryley]

If a police is doing their job and doing it right, why not?

Come on how can you start your morning by just reading comments, you have to have some exitement in your life.. :fighting0074:

Its just funny how people get all paranoid, like now all of the Islamic women that wear niqabs are going to go and become police officers, if any i guarantee it wont be more than 1 or 2 in Canada..

But anyways say what you want everyone has different opinions, I personally don't care about niqabs, its not mandatory in Islam.

Bob marley and Coffee time!

But thats my point! Why change a uniform policy to appease1 or 2 people? I say tell em ya sure, we want you as officers, but we are paying
You to do a job and therefore you need to abide by our policies.

[Scottsman]

Big difference from swat duties to standard patrol or other police duties splitflame.

I agree. Wearing a ski mask on a tactical operation has its reasons - I would suspect namely to protect the identity of these officers when they're working high risk operations. In the states, if they're executing a high risk warrant they probably don't want dangerous guys knowing who they area.

Now, if they were just out on patrol wearing ski masks (which I've never seen) I'd have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with allowing the women to wear a hijab since their face is not covered. Since a burqa or niqab covers a persons face completely, I do have an issue with that.

In my opinion, if an officer is on patrol they should be able to prove their identity to you. I see no difference in a police officer needing to prove their identity to me and me needing to prove my identity in order to vote.

[darwix]

Myself I see it as a great tool for the Toronto Police Service. They could use her a a suicide bomber. Get the bad guys. :sHa_shakeshout:

I find that disrespectful and out of line..

[Rocky7]

I find that disrespectful and out of line..

Me, too.

That's why it was so funny.:snapoutofit:

[Rocky7]

I don't have a problem with allowing the women to wear a hijab ....

Neither do I - in another country.

Otherwise, it's called a "uniform". Wear it or find another job.

[darwix]

Neither do I - in another country.

Otherwise, it's called a "uniform". Wear it or find another job.

Give me a reason why they can't wear hijab? Its showing their face isn't it ?

[honda450]

I find that disrespectful and out of line..

Welcome to the real world bud, cept the dream world ya seem to be living in. Your boyfriend eastcoast by chance? :bad_boys_20:

[greylynx]

True True.. But what frustrates me is most of the people complain not because they are might wear niqabs, but because they will see MUSLIM police officers.

That piece of crap called the Charter of Rights says that we are to be all treated equally under the law.

The police are an instrument of the justice system and wear a uniform to show the equality of the justice system.

Wearing a piece of cloth across your face or wrapped around your head indicates that you do not represent the equality of the justice system, but represent something else. It represents someone elses justice.

Such exhibitions within the justice system breed contempt from one group of people against the other.

Breeding contempt between groups is the goal of every liberal, socialist or facist organization.

I await the day when muzzies are being stopped by policemen wearing their yarmulkas. Then you will see some screaming and howling.

[greylynx]

Yeah crazy :thinking-006:

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Having to hide your face in public already shows there is a problem with our justice system. Do we even police forces any longer or have they become the para military tools of our crooked politicians?

[splitflame]

That piece of crap called the Charter of Rights says that we are to be all treated equally under the law.

The police are an instrument of the justice system and wear a uniform to show the equality of the justice system.

Wearing a piece of cloth across your face or wrapped around your head indicates that you do not represent the equality of the justice system, but represent something else. It represents someone elses justice.

Such exhibitions within the justice system breed contempt from one group of people against the other.

Breeding contempt between groups is the goal of every liberal, socialist or facist organization.

I await the day when muzzies are being stopped by policemen wearing their yarmulkas. Then you will see some screaming and howling.


When you use words like "muzzies" you instantly lose all credibility. It also makes you look uneducated and foolish.

[greylynx]

When you use words like "muzzies" you instantly lose all credibility. It also makes you look uneducated and foolish.

Muzzie is a colloqiual term that our Canadian Armed Forces use.

I guess they don't have any Credibilty either.

I guess they are all uneducated and foolish.

Well Bucko tell me who in this world is educated and smart other than the schziophrenic way you view yourself.

By the way: Your grammar and syntax is very very similar to someone else's on this form. Are you too gutless to come out and use your regualar name and now have to hide behind another one?


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[admin]

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