Wildrose vs. Progressive Conservatives

[Bob Lee Swagger]

Charles Adler discussing the "Battle of Alberta"


http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/1569947653001


:scared0015:

[NayNay]

That pretty much sums it up

[Bob Lee Swagger]

That pretty much sums it up

I thought so too... makes it easier for us everyday people.

:)

[rugatika]

is that video super slow streaming for everyone else too? Must be tons of people watching it or something.

The gist of it seems to nail things down pretty good. Nanny state PC's vs freedom Wildrose.

Excellent video. Should be required viewing for every Albertan. A vote for the PC's is a vote for flushing Alberta down the socialist toilet.

[dogpound]

Very good, I hope the average conservative PC voter sees that and understands the PC party has passed you by.

For the other voters that were a bit uncomfortable voting PC in previous years - it should also make you more comfortable to know the PC party more accurately portrays your centrist/left views on issues.

[blackpheasant]

is that video super slow streaming for everyone else too? Must be tons of people watching it or something.

The gist of it seems to nail things down pretty good. Nanny state PC's vs freedom Wildrose.

Excellent video. Should be required viewing for every Albertan. A vote for the PC's is a vote for flushing Alberta down the socialist toilet.

I sure hope the residents of Calgary Elbow agree, wouldn't it be nice if she lost her seat on Monday.....

[Samhael]

I own guns, drive a 4x4, own a quad, a boat, live in northern Alberta, I am a caucasian male, married, with children.

I want to see a government focused on economy, infrastructure, education, healthcare, rural AB, and the north.

I do not like the Human Rights commissions, I think they have been abused and used to attack people unfairly. We should be able to speak our minds without fear of being fined/prosecuted.

I do not agree with "conscious thought", you work for your employer, if you don't like what he tells you to do, move on. Find a different employer.

A priest should not have to marry a gay couple but a government employee, Justice of the Peace, should.

I see the Wildrose as being a special interest group.

I see Allison Redford as being like Margaret Thatcher/Stephen Harper, she will have a very firm/heavy hand and wont stand for bull****.

The Wildrose has done it's duty and scared the PC's into flying straight. The old, corrupt, what can I get, group of PC's have retired/moved on. And for the few that remain, they better watch themselves, or Redford will kick them out.

So I will be voting PC.

[dogpound]

I own guns, drive a 4x4, own a quad, a boat, live in northern Alberta, I am a caucasian male, married, with children.

I want to see a government focused on economy, infrastructure, education, healthcare, rural AB, and the north.

I do not like the Human Rights commissions, I think they have been abused and used to attack people unfairly. We should be able to speak our minds without fear of being fined/prosecuted.

I do not agree with "conscious thought", you work for your employer, if you don't like what he tells you to do, move on. Find a different employer.

A priest should not have to marry a gay couple but a government employee, Justice of the Peace, should.

I see the Wildrose as being a special interest group.

I see Allison Redford as being like Margaret Thatcher/Stephen Harper, she will have a very firm/heavy hand and wont stand for bull****.

The Wildrose has done it's duty and scared the PC's into flying straight. The old, corrupt, what can I get, group of PC's have retired/moved on. And for the few that remain, they better watch themselves, or Redford will kick them out.

So I will be voting PC.

Good post Samhael,

You are the new PC voter, a centrist who believes the government knows what is best for you. I understand the party fits your belief system, they no longer fit the belief system of a good percentage of Albertans.

The problem I have is a party changing to the left but not willing to be honest about it. Sherman left when his opinions/beliefs did not align with the PC platform, Redford knew that was foolish as she would never be in power in Alberta.

Redford, Stelmach etc. and other centrist cronies are changed a party to suit their beliefs and are using the brand to get them elected and change Alberta.

Tax and spend big government populist Liberals is what they are.

[Samhael]

Good post Samhael,

You are the new PC voter, a centrist who believes the government knows what is best for you. I understand the party fits your belief system, they no longer fit the belief system of a good percentage of Albertans.

The problem I have is a party changing to the left but not willing to be honest about it. Sherman left when his opinions/beliefs did not align with the PC platform, Redford knew that was foolish as she would never be in power in Alberta.

Redford, Stelmach etc. and other centrist cronies are changed a party to suit their beliefs and are using the brand to get them elected and change Alberta.

Tax and spend big government populist Liberals is what they are.

I agree the PC's have shifted to the left, they are now a centralist party however they are not a leftist Liberal/NDP party. PC's are trying to find a way to win, a way to get votes and stay in power, shifting to the left/central area was their only choice as Wildrose took the right.

As stated before I believe in personal rights and freedoms however I also believe that without government intervention very wealthy/big businesses will run amuck. So no, gov't doesn't know what is best, nor do I want them doing everything for me.

As an example I prefer to see a million small farmers rather than 100 large corporations controlling our agriculture, if that means I pay more for food at the counter so be it. So the CWB should exist, in a more controlled role/or more like Alberta Honey Co-op.

As with most CDNs/ABs, I am a very complicated person - I want more prisons/a strong military with proper equipment/to defend my property and family(the Bashaw farmer should never have been charged) yet I also want accountability of my tax dollars - example billions spent by the department of INAC - it's ridiculous that a reserve in Northern Ontario receives money from the feds and then uses the funds to fight the gov't in court to out an independant auditor, This same band receives income from deBeers yet they can't balance their books - wonder why...

Sorry too busy to continue - have a great day.

[Dakota369]

I agree the PC's have shifted to the left, they are now a centralist party however they are not a leftist Liberal/NDP party. PC's are trying to find a way to win, a way to get votes and stay in power, shifting to the left/central area was their only choice as Wildrose took the right.

As stated before I believe in personal rights and freedoms however I also believe that without government intervention very wealthy/big businesses will run amuck. So no, gov't doesn't know what is best, nor do I want them doing everything for me.

As an example I prefer to see a million small farmers rather than 100 large corporations controlling our agriculture, if that means I pay more for food at the counter so be it. So the CWB should exist, in a more controlled role/or more like Alberta Honey Co-op.

As with most CDNs/ABs, I am a very complicated person - I want more prisons/a strong military with proper equipment/to defend my property and family(the Bashaw farmer should never have been charged) yet I also want accountability of my tax dollars - example billions spent by the department of INAC - it's ridiculous that a reserve in Northern Ontario receives money from the feds and then uses the funds to fight the gov't in court to out an independant auditor, This same band receives income from deBeers yet they can't balance their books - wonder why...

Sorry too busy to continue - have a great day.

OMG............... a voice of sanity out of the northern wilderness


Well said sir......

:party0052:

[rem338win]

I own guns, drive a 4x4, own a quad, a boat, live in northern Alberta, I am a caucasian male, married, with children.

I want to see a government focused on economy, infrastructure, education, healthcare, rural AB, and the north.

I do not like the Human Rights commissions, I think they have been abused and used to attack people unfairly. We should be able to speak our minds without fear of being fined/prosecuted.

I do not agree with "conscious thought", you work for your employer, if you don't like what he tells you to do, move on. Find a different employer.

A priest should not have to marry a gay couple but a government employee, Justice of the Peace, should.

I see the Wildrose as being a special interest group.

I see Allison Redford as being like Margaret Thatcher/Stephen Harper, she will have a very firm/heavy hand and wont stand for bull****.

The Wildrose has done it's duty and scared the PC's into flying straight. The old, corrupt, what can I get, group of PC's have retired/moved on. And for the few that remain, they better watch themselves, or Redford will kick them out.

So I will be voting PC.

I agree the PC's have shifted to the left, they are now a centralist party however they are not a leftist Liberal/NDP party. PC's are trying to find a way to win, a way to get votes and stay in power, shifting to the left/central area was their only choice as Wildrose took the right.

As stated before I believe in personal rights and freedoms however I also believe that without government intervention very wealthy/big businesses will run amuck. So no, gov't doesn't know what is best, nor do I want them doing everything for me.

As an example I prefer to see a million small farmers rather than 100 large corporations controlling our agriculture, if that means I pay more for food at the counter so be it. So the CWB should exist, in a more controlled role/or more like Alberta Honey Co-op.

As with most CDNs/ABs, I am a very complicated person - I want more prisons/a strong military with proper equipment/to defend my property and family(the Bashaw farmer should never have been charged) yet I also want accountability of my tax dollars - example billions spent by the department of INAC - it's ridiculous that a reserve in Northern Ontario receives money from the feds and then uses the funds to fight the gov't in court to out an independant auditor, This same band receives income from deBeers yet they can't balance their books - wonder why...

Sorry too busy to continue - have a great day.

Sam, respectfully it is an insult to Thatcher to say Redford is similar. You need to look into the character and actions of Thatcher and then compare them to the past actions and current promises of Redford. They aren't even of the same pod.
Redford is a One World, central government type. Her platforms and spending promises are a hard reflection of the Liberal days under Trudeau and the NDP under Bob Rae.
Redford is much more left than she is letting on and I still am choking on the Iron Lady reference. Daniel Smith has far more in common with the UK's last real Prime Minister.
Everything you are asking for in the above statement is much more likely to happen under a WR party than the PC's.
Anyway, I will mourn the day another up the middle loser like Redford sits in the Premier's seat in Alberta.

[Smokey]

I love Adler, but thats propaganda not journalism. Who doesn`t like the sound of freedom over the nanny state.

[scrapper]

Sorry to hear that anyone believes the PC have or will change, Allison is a small "L" liberal she bought the leadership by giving the Teachers union 107 million of our money. Allison is not a Marg Thatcher not even close. Allison has flip flopped on every promise she made during her leadership campaign.

For me the PC's are not an option, did you know in the PC government there are 1 manager for every 4 goverment employees. I for one do not need a nanny state government telling me what I can do and how I should do it. And I certainly do not need a government that panders to the big unions to secure power. The only way the PC party will ever change is if we the voters park them on opposition for a term or two. 41 years is just a little to long for my tatse. I am voting WR.

[Samhael]

:) I meant Redford was like Thatcher in her pinched face, strong handed control, narrow minded. With Reford it's her way of the highway - at least that is what I have heard/and believe to be true.

[V_1]

PCs now are NDP twin. Calling them centrist is a nothing more that a joke. I have first hand Socialism experience. No way I'm voting reds and landing in same crap again. And trust me, you don't want to go there.

[rem338win]

:) I meant Redford was like Thatcher in her pinched face, strong handed control, narrow minded. With Reford it's her way of the highway - at least that is what I have heard/and believe to be true.

Hahah. Ok we agree there. The political bent is very different though. Redfords husband is likely a verbal punching bag. Redford reminds me of Lady Nancy Astor in Parliment that Sir Churchill made the following comments to:

Lady Astor: "Winston, you're drunk!"
Winston Churchill: "But I shall be sober in the morning and you, madam, will still be ugly."

or the creme de la creme:

Lady Astor: "Mr. Churchill, if you were my husband, I'd put poison in your tea."
Winston Churchill: "Madam, if I were your husband, I'd drink it."

[Sundancefisher]

I love Adler, but thats propaganda not journalism. Who doesn`t like the sound of freedom over the nanny state.

X2 Always entertaining. I would love to hear an unbiased commentary on the election.

[Getmygun]

Here is the beginning of the lesson on the left right paradigm or an older saying is meet the new boss he is the same as the old boss. Is it time to support those who respects the individual right of the sovereign, early north America showed us what a strong sovereign can do on his own (without government) NOW! you have the opposite just two parties that are both collectivist and do not represent the individual that built these nations and gave you your latest reference of freedom.
If you go look into history you will find that all extreme collectivist societies all end up turning tyrannical because nothing can pay for extreme collectivism.
I think a system with the individual first them the whole works in the long run. It makes the individual accountable to himself not the Nanny state.
It starts with a strong sovereign, he then helps other strong sovereigns and makes a strong community in turn the community is strong and it makes a strong province and then we all can make a strong proud country. that cannot be screwed with by people that have no country!! (World Bankers)
Everyone need to go to this web site and download the Genocide Chart this is the hard evidence that governments have killed more of their own people than all crime and war has!!!
Pass it on to others that think that owning a gun is not required. Looks at the dates the guns were taken away. No more to be said the numbers and history are on our side.

http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm#chart

So people there is only one argument and that is do you support collectivism or Individualism all the rest of the stuff you hear is rhetoric (Go look up classical education they teach the rich of this world the trivium and quad trivium so they can use rhetoric to keep the people trapped in facilities) or otherwise known as noise ( Race baiting, the bogie man is there favorite even some parents do it to their child when they will not go to bed, look out for the boogie man in the closet and when you got scared where did you run? To your government right).
Here is a site with some information on Trivium: http://www.triviumeducation.com/trivium/
This is to keep you from listening to the core argument of collectivism or Individualism should be the core of a free society?
The latest movie hunger games shows a collectivist society that was coming to an end. Which district do you want to live in?
Thanks
GetMyGun

[scrapper]

Samhael, I sure do not know where you are getting your info my friend but you better check your source. Redford all through the leadership campaign made promises she never kept. As soon as she was elected leader the caucus told her how things will be done. She promised the probably 100 times there would be a public inquirey on health care, two days after she was leader she cancelled that...why....because the party told her too!!. Allison takes marching orders she does not give them. There is ZERO evidence that she runs the show with an iron fist, she talked a good fight but when faced with a huge split in caucus she folded. i am not telling you how to vote but your idea's on Redford cannot be further from the facts. Certainly if you were confusing the two I could see your point Danielle is by far the closer of the two with respect to traits in common with Ms. Thatcher.

[dogpound]

I agree the PC's have shifted to the left, they are now a centralist party however they are not a leftist Liberal/NDP party. PC's are trying to find a way to win, a way to get votes and stay in power, shifting to the left/central area was their only choice as Wildrose took the right.

I guess its who came first, egg or chicken.

I am interested as to how a PC party who won 72 seats in the 2008 election has to try and find a way to win.

Why is there a Wildrose party...in your opinion do you think politicians like (Stelmach, Redford, Sherman etc.) infiltrated a party just to get elected but never held the original PC beliefs...perhaps these liberals were so thirsty for power they ran for the only party that would get them elected - then hijacked the party to make it more liberal.:confused:

I wonder if that is the reason for so many PC defections and resignations. Maybe thats why the Wildrose is a factor now, maybe thats why federal mps are more aligned with the beliefs of the WR party than the Alberta PC party.

The WR party is a factor because they went left - there was no need to find a way to win in 2004 and 2008 - there was no way they could lose.

Could it be that the PC party was changed by left leaning politicians - they did take out an ad this year that it wasnt our fathers PC party.:thinking-006:

[Rocky7]

Is it time to support those who respects the individual right of the sovereign, early north America showed us what a strong sovereign can do on his own (without government) NOW! you have the opposite just two parties that are both collectivist and do not represent the individual that built these nations and gave you your latest reference of freedom.
If you go look into history you will find that all extreme collectivist societies all end up turning tyrannical because nothing can pay for extreme collectivism.....

There's the beef. That is the essential divide between statism like Redford's PC Party and conservativism like Smith's Wild Rose. It bubbles down to that.

REDford means well. But we will bleed nonetheless.

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C.S. Lewis

[rem338win]

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C.S. Lewis

Times 2 on that quote.

And for those that think it isn't a tyrrany in the times that we have now, look up the term oligarchy. That is what we are living in now.

Redford stated in response to civil reforendums was that we don't need them because we vote a party in every 4 years. :thinking-006:

So because we voted her in, she gets to run it the way she sees it for 4 years? That is what she said.

[pseelk]

Charles Adler discussing the "Battle of Alberta"


http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/1569947653001


:scared0015:

I think more people need to watch this.

[rens27]

Why? It's a far right wing news agency advertising for a far right wing political party. It's biased and useless for anybody wanting to seriously educate themselves. It's sad if the media can sway our personal opinions so much to dictate who we vote for. If people really want to know the difference between the parties then they should look at the party websites and formulate their own opinions.

Although there are some humorous comments and nicknames for Alison Redford in the video. He reminds me of Rush Limbaugh a little bit.

[blackpheasant]

Why? It's a far right wing news agency advertising for a far right wing political party. It's biased and useless for anybody wanting to seriously educate themselves. It's sad if the media can sway our personal opinions so much to dictate who we vote for. If people really want to know the difference between the parties then they should look at the party websites and formulate their own opinions.

Although there are some humorous comments and nicknames for Alison Redford in the video. He reminds me of Rush Limbaugh a little bit.

So how would you rate the CBC? somewhere in the middle, fair and balanced?

[rens27]

So how would you rate the CBC? somewhere in the middle, fair and balanced?

Biased as well. There are no unbiased media companies out there unfortunately. At least the Sun states clearly they are right wing and that makes them honest in stating their goals. However that means anything they say must be looked at closely and not taken as the whole truth of the matter.

[bb356]

Hahah. Ok we agree there. The political bent is very different though. Redfords husband is likely a verbal punching bag. Redford reminds me of Lady Nancy Astor in Parliment that Sir Churchill made the following comments to:

Lady Astor: "Winston, you're drunk!"
Winston Churchill: "But I shall be sober in the morning and you, madam, will still be ugly."

or the creme de la creme:

Lady Astor: "Mr. Churchill, if you were my husband, I'd put poison in your tea."
Winston Churchill: "Madam, if I were your husband, I'd drink it."

That's funny !!! :sHa_shakeshout:

[V_1]

So how would you rate the CBC? somewhere in the middle, fair and balanced?
Almost chocked on my tea...

[cover]

Here is the beginning of the lesson on the left right paradigm or an older saying is meet the new boss he is the same as the old boss. Is it time to support those who respects the individual right of the sovereign, early north America showed us what a strong sovereign can do on his own (without government) NOW! you have the opposite just two parties that are both collectivist and do not represent the individual that built these nations and gave you your latest reference of freedom.
If you go look into history you will find that all extreme collectivist societies all end up turning tyrannical because nothing can pay for extreme collectivism.
I think a system with the individual first them the whole works in the long run. It makes the individual accountable to himself not the Nanny state.
It starts with a strong sovereign, he then helps other strong sovereigns and makes a strong community in turn the community is strong and it makes a strong province and then we all can make a strong proud country. that cannot be screwed with by people that have no country!! (World Bankers)
Everyone need to go to this web site and download the Genocide Chart this is the hard evidence that governments have killed more of their own people than all crime and war has!!!
Pass it on to others that think that owning a gun is not required. Looks at the dates the guns were taken away. No more to be said the numbers and history are on our side.

http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm#chart

So people there is only one argument and that is do you support collectivism or Individualism all the rest of the stuff you hear is rhetoric (Go look up classical education they teach the rich of this world the trivium and quad trivium so they can use rhetoric to keep the people trapped in facilities) or otherwise known as noise ( Race baiting, the bogie man is there favorite even some parents do it to their child when they will not go to bed, look out for the boogie man in the closet and when you got scared where did you run? To your government right).
Here is a site with some information on Trivium: http://www.triviumeducation.com/trivium/
This is to keep you from listening to the core argument of collectivism or Individualism should be the core of a free society?
The latest movie hunger games shows a collectivist society that was coming to an end. Which district do you want to live in?
Thanks
GetMyGun

The time Redford spent at the UN really drives home that collectivism is the ideal she holds.

[rugatika]

Can't believe I read someone calling the PC's centrist. They may have been centrist under Klein, but they have moved left into liberal and/or even NDP territory. Siding with teachers unions, spending billions on top of an already rich just released budget, talk of a provincial sales tax etc etc....They are NOT centrist in any way shape or form...they have the elbows up fighting for room at the table with the NDP and libs.

This is NOT your fathers PC party!

[Getmygun]

The time Redford spent at the UN really drives home that collectivism is the ideal she holds.

That is correct I noticed that the other day also on the radio that she spent time in Africa or something like that for 4 years? The UN with the IMF is the Global Collectivist organizations of the world if they get what they want their will very little individualism left.

[dadof5]

Like!

[walking buffalo]

That is correct I noticed that the other day also on the radio that she spent time in Africa or something like that for 4 years? The UN with the IMF is the Global Collectivist organizations of the world if they get what they want their will very little individualism left.



Redford applied for citizenship in South Africa.

South Africa was smart enough to say NO.

[outdoorsmen101]

That's about the fifth time around for that one..LOL