The snakeheads are here!

[npauls]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/05/15/bc-snakehead-fish-burnaby.html


The fish everyone was terrified of coming to Canada has made its way. I wonder if it is a single one or if there is more of them around then anyone really knows about.

[Deano85]

Im thinking snakeheads won't winter well in canada.

[Serengeti Charters]

Im thinking snakeheads won't winter well in canada.

Lets hope not

[npauls]

There is 2 species of snakehead that have been proven to be able to survive under ice and in cold climates.

One of the species is the one that is shown in the video.

If they do find more then just the one fish and are able to get into other water systems in the area I could see them spreading out pretty quick.

It will all depend on what hey find in their netting tests I guess.

[fishingmaster2097]

Holy Crap! They are here! That is not good!

[lone wolf]

Let's hope that the video is a hoax. Not good news for native fisheries if it is true.

[silverdoctor]

The title sent a chill up my spine. It was inevitable. Don't know if they will winter well, but they have adapted to everything they've hit so far.

[Alberta Bigbore]

That's crazy. Might be time to stock Alberta Waters with Musky, Channel Catfish, and largemouth bass to eat the young of the Snakeheads to reduce their numbers lol.

Seriously though... didn't think I'd see the day they would make it here.

[nekred]

Snakeheads found in BC survive fine in Siberia....

Not good news at all.... Northern pike are a top level predator but have to swallow their prey whole, and don't hunt in packs....

Snakheads can take pieces out and hunt in schools....and are continuous spawners...

Not cool!.... Howver the asians pay huge money for them...

[fishdude17]

It wouldn't be hard for these fish to end up in any of Canada's waters considering you can buy them live at fish markets etc. As stated in the video, it is legal to import them into Canada.

Everyone should start writing letters to their MLA's, encouraging the law to be changed about importing such fish as these, before it becomes an epidemic as it has in the United States.

[cooper]

Im sure steven and his crack crew of conservatives got are back on this one .probably part of one of his masterly thought out trade deals . we,ll get these fish and harper will give them almost free gas , free trees . one little fish will get that pipeline across all those pesky little streams that used to have fish in them. I think it just mite be good for the economy.

[pike_king780]

Let's impose catch nd kill on these guys if they are actually here. Off with their heads!!:bad_boys_20:

[fishdude17]

You could catch and kill, they are not an Alberta sportfish.

[Anthonydamore]

You could catch and kill, they are not an Alberta sportfish.

they definitely dont belong

[burbotman]

Snakeheads found in BC survive fine in Siberia....

Not good news at all.... Northern pike are a top level predator but have to swallow their prey whole, and don't hunt in packs....

Snakheads can take pieces out and hunt in schools....and are continuous spawners...

Not cool!.... Howver the asians pay huge money for them...

Bad news for sure for our native fishes.

Snakeheads have to be one of the most sensationalized fish there is. Look at the news clips from the US

Fish that can walk on land---attacking humans---Frankenfish---

Again bad news for native fish but some of the hype on them is just crazy.

[npauls]

I am interested in hearing how many they catch from there netting tests. If there is more then one that is caught then there is a good chance that they have spawned if there is male and females.

Hopefully that isn't the case and it is just a pet that was released.

I don't get why the Government is allowing these types of fish to be legally imported alive into the country knowing full well that if they are released they can cause major damage to our fisheries.

[Calgaryguy1977]

Fish that can walk on land---attacking humans---Frankenfish---
These things are true though.....they can survive outside water and traverse land (albeit slowly) and make their way to other bodies of water. (I know its not likely but ill use allen bill pond as an example...its right next to the elbow river and if they made their way into the river system they could spread fast.

Secondly they are very aggresive and could potentially attack a human. Apparently there's cases of it happening before.

As far as frankenfish goes....I agree! LOL the're ugly as hell!

[ReconWilly]

:sign0080::computer-18::angry3:

[Calgaryguy1977]

I am interested in hearing how many they catch from there netting tests. If there is more then one that is caught then there is a good chance that they have spawned if there is male and females.

Hopefully that isn't the case and it is just a pet that was released.

I don't get why the Government is allowing these types of fish to be legally imported alive into the country knowing full well that if they are released they can cause major damage to our fisheries.

I agree Npauls....I see absolutely no advantage to allow them to be shipped live, especially considering the potential problems they can create. For what? So people can have fresh snot fish on their table for dinner?

[BGSH]

I agree Npauls....I see absolutely no advantage to allow them to be shipped live, especially considering the potential problems they can create. For what? So people can have fresh snot fish on their table for dinner?

Time to nuke the lake and start over :)

[Calgaryguy1977]

Time to nuke the lake and start over :)

Git er done!

[Gust]

Cuts to Science and Safety: Department of Fisheries and Oceans and Coast Guard Hit by Second Round in Six Months

Thu May 17, 2012 1:46pm EDT

OTTAWA, ONTARIO, May 17 (MARKET WIRE) --
Over 130 Department of Fisheries and Oceans (DFO) and Canadian Coast
Guard (CCG) employees represented by the Professional Institute of the
Public Service of Canada (PIPSC) began receiving Work Force Adjustment
(WFA) notices earlier today as part of the implementation of federal
budget cuts. They join some 200 scientists and other professionals at DFO
who were told that their positions were being affected in December 2011.
The notices to PIPSC members are part of a larger wave of more than 1,000
WFA notices received by DFO and Coast Guard employees today.

This latest round of cuts to the Department will affect positions for
Biologists, Chemists and Researchers, Policy Advisors, IT Specialists and
Commerce and Purchasing Officers in communities across the country:
British Columbia(18), Manitoba(27), the National Capital Region (16),
Ontario(14), Quebec (25), New Brunswick(5), Newfoundland(10) and Nova
Scotia(19).

"These cuts are not "back office" cuts. They are yet another blow to the
federal government's capacity to use science to protect Canadians, their
environment and our economic interests", said PIPSC President Gary
Corbett. "The government is eliminating programs that have generated
world-renowned studies of freshwater ecosystems as well as impacting work
to monitor Arctic contaminants, dioxins and other pollutants."

This latest announcement is not the first hit for one of the federal
government's key science-based departments. Most recently, cuts reduced
fish stock monitoring and aquatic habitat management. Combined with the
complete overhaul of the Fisheries Act buried in the omnibus Budget
Implementation Bill (C-38), experts believe that these decisions will
introduce unprecedented levels of risk to the quality and sustainability
of key elements of Canadians' environment and impact on our future
prosperity.

One example of the very real impact on Canadians of the government's most
recent decision regarding DFO is the withdrawal of support for research
conducted as part of the Experimental Lakes Area (ELA) program. A region
of remote lakes has been dedicated, since the late 1960's, to whole-lake
ecosystem research. It has been the site of groundbreaking studies into
the effects of pollutants, acid rain, freshwater aquaculture, and
hydroelectric dams on freshwater ecosystems. The ELA is also where
researchers track how Canada's freshwater ecosystems respond to climate
change.

More than 30 affected positions are part of the Canadian Coast Guard, an
institution that is celebrating its 50th anniversary. Environment
Minister Kent recently justified his own department's cuts to its
Environmental Emergency response capacity by pointing to the more
important role of agencies such as the Coast Guard.

"Canadians should be concerned to see the apparent lack of planning
behind these cuts," added Corbett. "The same scenario where Ministers
point the finger at each other is playing out between DFO and the
Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency and in many other cases. At the
end of the day, Canadians will pay the price for ill-considered decisions
that ignore current science and eliminate important evidence for the
future."

The Professional Institute of the Public Service of Canada represents
some 60,000 professionals and scientists across Canada's public sector.
It is a founding member of Professionals Serving Canadians (PSC), a
coalition of six concerned public service unions who believe that the
Harper government's plan to slash programs and services across the
government will have serious repercussions on the well-being of
Canadians, their families, and their communities.

Visit www.SafetyEh.ca and join the growing number of Canadians supporting
public services.

Contacts:
Pierre Villon
(613) 228-6310 extension 2228
(613) 794-9369 (cell)

Copyright 2012, Market Wire, All rights reserved.

[Calgaryguy1977]

Ya, not good!

[burbotman]

These things are true though.....they can survive outside water and traverse land (albeit slowly) and make their way to other bodies of water. (I know its not likely but ill use allen bill pond as an example...its right next to the elbow river and if they made their way into the river system they could spread fast.

Secondly they are very aggresive and could potentially attack a human. Apparently there's cases of it happening before.

As far as frankenfish goes....I agree! LOL the're ugly as hell!

Facts--Snakeheads can take atmospheric air, however Snakeheads are no more suited to overland travel than a northern pike. Unlike polypterids and lungfish snakeheads lack lobe type fins that facilate movement out of water.

No disputing they are bad news for native fish but the hype is over the top with their abilities.

[Gust]

Ya, not good!

no,,, but now you'll see the other poutdoorsmen saying this is a good thing.

There is another article on who speaks for fisheries now,, but it's too depressing and I'm in a chipper mood as the weather has cooled down. I'll post it tomorrow after all the pro harper outdoorsmen pick apart the article above.

Hypocrisy.

[Calgaryguy1977]

Facts--Snakeheads can take atmospheric air, however Snakeheads are no more suited to overland travel than a northern pike. Unlike polypterids and lungfish snakeheads lack lobe type fins that facilate movement out of water.

No disputing they are bad news for native fish but the hype is over the top with their abilities.

Fact, this video contains footage of one moving across pavement....jump to about 1:00 min in the video
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/05/15/bc-snakehead-fish-burnaby.html


the thing is....they dont move fast at all but they can move and survive out of water for quite some time. That said, they coul potentially get into bodies of water where they could do a lot of damage.

[burbotman]

Fact, this video contains footage of one moving across pavement....jump to about 1:00 min in the video
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/05/15/bc-snakehead-fish-burnaby.html


the thing is....they dont move fast at all but they can move and survive out of water for quite some time. That said, they coul potentially get into bodies of water where they could do a lot of damage.

Carfully edited, movement is random and non directional. Agreed though could happen but they are not the overland horde often dipicted.

[Leech]

That is horrible!!!!:mad3: The person who released the snakehead should be arrested. Who knows how much damage snakeheads could do to our ecosystem and also how much money could be wasted to try and get rid of them!!! I also can't beleive that the government allows legal transport into Canada

[TJG]

Ya, cause as we have seen with Sylvan condos and a million other causes in Canada, it always works.

It wouldn't be hard for these fish to end up in any of Canada's waters considering you can buy them live at fish markets etc. As stated in the video, it is legal to import them into Canada.

Everyone should start writing letters to their MLA's, encouraging the law to be changed about importing such fish as these, before it becomes an epidemic as it has in the United States.

[BigA]

If the snakeheads are being found in BC, chances are that they didn't come from a fish market but from an aquarium store, as they are quite often imported as pets.

The most common one that is imported is the giant snakehead, which requires tropical temperature water and would not be able to survive in Canada. It grows to around 4 feet and has been known to attack people in its native Thailand when breeding as it is fiercely protective of the fry. It is also endangered there and has nearly been fished out of existence there.

The northern snakehead would be capable of surviving in water here in Alberta, but it has not been known to attack people.

Both species can breathe air, and live in low oxygenated bodies of water, but travel overland is very unlikely.

With that said, they do need to be prevented from coming into our water .

[Toirtis]

Secondly they are very aggresive and could potentially attack a human. Apparently there's cases of it happening before.

Fact...In the southern US, they frequently hide in hedges and snatch infants from carriages.

[Toirtis]

Unlike polypterids and lungfish snakeheads lack lobe type fins that facilate movement out of water.

I have some great Polypterid stories....like the ornatipinnis that kept escaping its tank and charging down my hallway. Lungfish mostly suck at terrestrial locomotion, despite some fabulous finnage.

[BigA]

I have some great Polypterid stories....like the ornatipinnis that kept escaping its tank and charging down my hallway.

that's awesome. I had a senegalus that used to love escaping from his tank. Always wanted to get an ornatipinnis or a delhezi.

[catnthehat]

DANG!!:sign0176:
This is NOT good news....
Cat

[WayneChristie]

well at least they will eat all those asian carp that are making their way here. maybe they will cancel each other out :bad_boys_20:

[greylynx]

If the snakeheads are being found in BC, chances are that they didn't come from a fish market but from an aquarium store, as they are quite often imported as pets.

The most common one that is imported is the giant snakehead, which requires tropical temperature water and would not be able to survive in Canada. It grows to around 4 feet and has been known to attack people in its native Thailand when breeding as it is fiercely protective of the fry. It is also endangered there and has nearly been fished out of existence there.

The northern snakehead would be capable of surviving in water here in Alberta, but it has not been known to attack people.

Both species can breathe air, and live in low oxygenated bodies of water, but travel overland is very unlikely.

With that said, they do need to be prevented from coming into our water .


So I guess one will require both a fishing and a hunting licence to aquire these lungfish. They are a wonder of evolution.

God bless multiculturalsim.

[Alberta Bigbore]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UonPu0gglcs


check that vid out... snakehead vs a pike.... Pike will not have a chance. Apparently Pike cannot out maneuver a Snakehead. This vid does show a pike plopped into a tank.. so a given blindside.

look at like 38seconds...a head shake and it cut the pike right through like a knife.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPGmvemG6fk


now watch this Snakehead kill a bass..... these fish attack like wolves.


Not a good thing to be in our waters.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncXatBY8qC8&feature=related

now pretend this little fish was a perch or a trout.........

[Gust]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UonPu0gglcs


check that vid out... snakehead vs a pike.... Pike will not have a chance. Apparently Pike cannot out maneuver a Snakehead. This vid does show a pike plopped into a tank.. so a given blindside.

look at like 38seconds...a head shake and it cut the pike right through like a knife.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPGmvemG6fk


now watch this Snakehead kill a bass..... these fish attack like wolves.


Not a good thing to be in our waters.


So we need a heartier breed in alberta for fish fight gambling. Hmmm, did you find any vids of snakeheads vs roosters or vs canada geese? Those geese need more than hunters to curb their bad attitude. How do wuzzy trout fair in battle?

[greylynx]

I forsee the value of rotenone going up very quickly. That is if rotenone can kill a snake head.

[greylynx]

So we need a heartier breed in alberta for fish fight gambling. Hmmm, did you find any vids of snakeheads vs roosters or vs canada geese? Those geese need more than hunters to curb their bad attitude. How do wuzzy trout fair in battle?

Gustav you are a genius.

Snakehead versus Rooster. The first billing
Snakehead versus mink. The second billing
Snakehead versus Jack Russell The third billing
Snakehead versus .....

Start a pro forma budget. You and I are going to make a million.

[BigA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UonPu0gglcs


check that vid out... snakehead vs a pike.... Pike will not have a chance. Apparently Pike cannot out maneuver a Snakehead. This vid does show a pike plopped into a tank.. so a given blindside.

look at like 38seconds...a head shake and it cut the pike right through like a knife.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPGmvemG6fk


now watch this Snakehead kill a bass..... these fish attack like wolves.


Not a good thing to be in our waters.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncXatBY8qC8&feature=related

now pretend this little fish was a perch or a trout.........


That is the giant snakehead. Needs warm water to survive. Northern snakehead not as big or as aggressive.

But northern still a threat to native fishes.

[Alberta Bigbore]

This video on the northern snakehead shows how fast these abominations breed !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmU7etSYYqI



.

[fishdude17]

Ya, cause as we have seen with Sylvan condos and a million other causes in Canada, it always works.

TJG:

Typical Canadian attitude...sit around and do nothing about it. Government won't do anything about it, so why bother trying.

True, maybe nothing will be done about it, but guaranteed, if voices are not heard by the tax payers, nothing will be done about it. Why not let your voice be heard, and if and when nothing is done about it, as least you can say "I did my part".

[burbotman]

This video on the northern snakehead shows how fast these abominations breed !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmU7etSYYqI



.

Abominations? Not at all, adapted to certain ecosytems and like most invasives can impact native eco sytems. Channa Micropeltes no issue due our climate, Channa Argus some potential to have an impact. Wipe out fisheries like say a lake with pike and walleye.....while a definite impact they would become part of the forage base as well as being predators. I am sure big pike would relish a meal of snakehead.
No arguing the issue of this being a bad thing and as an aquarium hobbiest troubleing on the potential vector of introduction

[Dan Foss]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UonPu0gglcs


check that vid out... snakehead vs a pike.... Pike will not have a chance. Apparently Pike cannot out maneuver a Snakehead. This vid does show a pike plopped into a tank.. so a given blindside.

look at like 38seconds...a head shake and it cut the pike right through like a knife.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPGmvemG6fk


now watch this Snakehead kill a bass..... these fish attack like wolves.


Not a good thing to be in our waters.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncXatBY8qC8&feature=related

now pretend this little fish was a perch or a trout.........


Check this one out. this guy has the best fishtank in the world. No idea where he lives though but I am assuming no matter what its illegal because he said he caught the pike.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYelxMUkmMg&feature=related

[mszomola]

Omg here we go again. First of all this was found In Vancouver were there's good fishing and plenty of lakes . No one is going to drop a snakehead into your crappy 10 Alberta lakes that you love to poach stocked Walters in. You guys are hilarious today .

[fishdude17]

Omg here we go again. First of all this was found In Vancouver were there's good fishing and plenty of lakes . No one is going to drop a snakehead into your crappy 10 Alberta lakes that you love to poach stocked Walters in. You guys are hilarious today .

Thanks for the intelligent post :dork:

[Nickote316]

Well we all know how to get rid of that perch problem in lake sundance now ;)

[kayaker]

I would have thought S Ont would have had them by now....

[steelhead]

S Ontario get thier yearly, phirranah, cayman, and oscar finds in local ponds and lakes.


Those species dont make the winter though.


Following the ontario fishin forums for years and havent seen any news on them yet. Matter of time though, i guess. But, they have the gobies, zebra mussels, and quite possibly asian carp in thier waters now. Its awfull seeing the gobi death piles that the anglers leave in Port Dover along the piers. 10 gobis to one jumbo perch.


Pray we dont get gobis. Snakeheads are mild compared to them.


STEELHEAD

[BigA]

FYI if you want more info on snakeheads... At 2pm today (holiday Monday) the snakehead episode of river monsters will be on discovery channel. Very informative.

[burbotman]

FYI if you want more info on snakeheads... At 2pm today (holiday Monday) the snakehead episode of river monsters will be on discovery channel. Very informative.

Typical Jeremy Wade, really have to filter through the sensationalism. Enjoyed the show in spite of it "being his most dangerous adventure"

Waiting for his episode on man eating pike........

[BeeGuy]

Well, maybe the snakeheads aren't here.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/05/24/bc-snakehead-search.html

Would not surprise me in the least however.

In the article they say they netted a "red-eared slipper turtle",

Dont they know it's called a "Hush Turtle" !!!:angry3:

[Gust]

Typical Jeremy Wade, really have to filter through the sensationalism. Enjoyed the show in spite of it "being his most dangerous adventure"

Waiting for his episode on man eating pike........

discovery channel showed a documentary on crazed musky and pike,, I think it was the other monster something or another show.