3 killed in armored car robbery at U of A

[CaberTosser]

Just read about this, and I'm disgusted. I hope the injured person pulls through; unless, of course, they happen to be one of the robbers.

http://news.sympatico.ctv.ca/home/three_dead_in_shooting_at_university_of_alberta_ca mpus/976ec5b6

[waterninja]

what a sad story. lucky no students hurt. heart goes out to families of the guards. someone must have seriously panicked.

[pesky672]

Jerks.
How many lives did they just ruin?

The only positive thing I can think of is...as much as I hate the bulk of that new Bill the Cons are pushing through.... it does include stiffer sentences for crimes just like this.

Maybe it will come into effect by the time these jerks are caught and go to trial.....knock on wood.

[JohninAB]

Terrible situation. Hope those responsible are apprehended ASAP.

[Reeves1]

We have a member here that drives/works for an Armored co.

Hope it was not him !

[panwojciech]

Capital punishment should be reinstated.

[Ruger1022]

I have read a few stories about this, sad story..:sad0020:

I am thinking inside job....

[BeeGuy]

Capital punishment should be reinstated.

Capital punishment kills innocent people too.

I find it hard to believe anyone in this country would have enough faith in our legal system to give them control over whether someone lives or dies.

That said, if the perp is found armed with a chair, stapler, or bicycle chain there may be an opportunity to circumvent the legal system.

The last campus I worked on had something like 600 CCTV's. I don't expect UoA has that many, but they must have got some kind of footage.

Sad story.

[Twisted Canuck]

Terrible situation, that 3 people get killed because they are doing their job. Whoever did this is one desperate character(s), to kill 3 people in cold blood like that is insane.....I hope they are caught quickly, not that any real justice will be served in our Court system, but at least they will be off the street for 25 yrs or so......

[Redfrog]

"Capital punishment kills innocent people too."

It wasn't Capital punishment that killed these people.

Cold comfort to those killed doing their job. Nice.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Talk of this being an "inside job" I thought it was odd 4 people from the same company were injured....usually ony 2-3 people in an armoured car. They found another armoured car from the same company abandoned on the south side of the city....

LC

[CaberTosser]

With 3 down and one injured, it seems to me that one among them would be a perp because I generally see the truck crews consisting of a driver and two guards. Also curious is that it was noted the truck was abandoned not far from the armored car company office. Why risk dropping it off near where lots of other armored car people would frequent? It does sound a bit like an inside job when considering this, and that the gunman/men/woman seemed to be able to shoot accurately under stress. This isn't a typical gangbanger skill, because they'd not just be aiming for centre of mass when guards have body armor. Guaranteed, the shooters faces will be recorded on video at a shooting range somewhere.

[Classic_Cool]

Capital punishment kills innocent people too.



Fact of the matter is that innocent people get harmed at either extreme.

We're currently based on that philosophy that it's "better to let 10 guilty men go free than to imprison one innocent man". Looks nice if you don't think about it but in reality those 10 guilty men will go out and harm 100 other innocent people.

If we did have capital punishment and the gonads to actually follow through then inevitably an innocent man would get the short end of the stick now and then but in the grand scheme of things the scales might be better balanced for it.

I'll ponder this as I stroke my beard and smoke my pipe ;)

[Okotokian]

Odd two dead in the mall and one outside. If you know HUB it's elevated. You have to go up a few flights of stairs to get to the mall and housing level. The apartments open up onto the mall, so lots of possiblity for people to get hurt. Mostly asian students living there.

[CaberTosser]

Fact of the matter is that innocent people get harmed at either extreme.

We're currently based on that philosophy that it's "better to let 10 guilty men go free than to imprison one innocent man". Looks nice if you don't think about it but in reality those 10 guilty men will go out and harm 100 other innocent people.

If we did have capital punishment and the gonads to actually follow through then inevitably an innocent man would get the short end of the stick now and then but in the grand scheme of things the scales might be better balanced for it.

I'll ponder this as I stroke my beard and smoke my pipe ;)


My thoughts exactly, except I think the number of wrongful convictions will be more to the tune of 1 in a hundred or less. Multiply that by future victims and we're still vastly ahead mathematically. Those future victims would be just (if not more) innocent than a wrongfully accused person (generally someone with a record already).

[covey ridge]

Capital punishment kills innocent people too.

I find it hard to believe anyone in this country would have enough faith in our legal system to give them control over whether someone lives or dies.
.

Yep

[Alberta Bigbore]

brutal stuff:(

[Classic_Cool]

I would submit that most people don't have faith in the legal system BECAUSE we keep letting murderers and rapists get off.....

[Divert]

I used to work for this company for 5 years, that location was actually on my run. Am kinda sitting on pins and needles as I have a few friends who were working there last night.


It was mytylerb from this board who also worked/works (not sure if he still wors there)

I find it very strange that there were four people there, usually always groups of three, one driver two guards. Also I saw the recovered truck on the news and the strange thing there was it was found half a block from the station.
Personally I'm kinda thinking it was an employee who went off his rocker rather then a robbery, Well initially anyway. Plus, if it was a robbery there are way better locations out there where there wouldnt be a whole bunch of witnesses aswell. Anyone who has used those machines would know that there isnt a whole bunch of cash found in those machines, due to the fact the also give out fives which would drastically reduce the total value in them.

[TRAPPER92]

Listening to 630 CHED and they say it was an inside job!

Speaking about capital punishment; Murderers should only get the death penalty on the testimony of two or more witnesses. Should those witnesses be found lieing about it later, they should also get the death penalty since their actions led to the death of an innocent person.
If there is no witnesses but the evidence speaks against the person, then they should get life in prison!

Just my reasoning....

Condolences to the victims' families

[covey ridge]

I used to work for this company for 5 years, that location was actually on my run. Am kinda sitting on pins and needles as I have a few friends who were working there last night.


It was mytylerb from this board who also worked/works (not sure if he still wors there)

I find it very strange that there were four people there, usually always groups of three, one driver two guards. Also I saw the recovered truck on the news and the strange thing there was it was found half a block from the station.
Personally I'm kinda thinking it was an employee who went off his rocker rather then a robbery, Well initially anyway. Plus, if it was a robbery there are way better locations out there where there wouldnt be a whole bunch of witnesses aswell as there isnt a whole bunch of cash found in those machines as anyone who uses them Know they give out fives aswell which would drastically reduce the total value in them.
If I was to guess, that would be my take. Hope they capture the guilty soon.

[JimPS]

Alberta is and always has been a pretty violent place with a good number of violent people.
I can't understand why most armoured guards are still packing wheel guns that look like old hand me downs from a bygone era.
Do these guys have to buy there own weapons from their low salaries or do the companies just not give a dam about their employees?


Jim

[CaberTosser]

MtylerB was dispatch if I recall, and I think he said that he had switched careers a while back.

JimPS: I've seen guards packing S&W M&P semi-auto's lately.

[Divert]

The firearms are all issued by the company, you wouldn't be allowed to buy your own weapon even if you wanted too.

They are all ex-RCMP .38's the reason I was told they stick with them is due to the reliability of when you pull the trigger on a wheel gun it's generally gonna fire and you don't have to worry about jams, as I said that's just what I was told.

[zero]

Did any of the guards get a shot off? guns are only good when you point and click, none of the news reports say if there was defensive shots from the guards weapons.

and why was there 4 instead of 3, so many questions

[dumoulin]

This is pretty scary. My niece is a campus five-o there. I can’t see her warding off gunman with a nightstick and pepper-spray. You would figure this kind of thing happens in larger cities or in the US and not in Edmonton. Kind of brings it home...imagine the Longueil residents felt like during the Ecole Polytechnique massacre. I just don't get why anyone would want to thieve in the “promised land”? At any rate, I think campus five-os, border patrols and wildlife officers should be armed.

[Sooner]

Ironicly on the way to taking my kids to school today we passed a armored car and I was explaining to the kids what the slots were for and how protected the guys inside are with the bullet proof glass etc. Turn on the radio after I drop them off and hear about this tragedy. All that protection dont help you outside. What a waste of innocent life. Condolances to the familys and anyone who might know these guys. I hope they catch the scum real fast.

[zero]

I would go a step further and move for conceal carry permits for anyone in canada that has the right to own handguns with the rpal, and this is a big city

[covey ridge]

I think that the companies want to make the most $$ money$$ with the least investment. Surplus Leo guns and low wages seem to be the norm.. I spoke to a couple who claim they made $18.00/hour. That's just not enough to be put in harm's way to protect money that should be insured. Bottom line $$$$$. It's been mentioned many times that we live in a country where it is easy to be allowed to carry to protect $$$$$money$$$$$ but using a firearm for the defense of life with is frowned upon. MONEY RULES :(

[Divert]

When i was working for them we would often wonder how the armored car companies could get away with paying there employees less then what ups or fed would pay there's, and to think a courier is generally not gonna fe shot for there parcels.

[TyreeUM]

the sad thing is, I bet the shooters were, deep down, really nice guys with a great sense of humor who had a terrible up bringing, but were really good at math and just got accepted at the U of A....

[covey ridge]

Did any of the guards get a shot off? guns are only good when you point and click, none of the news reports say if there was defensive shots from the guards weapons.

and why was there 4 instead of 3, so many questions

Two armoured cars should mean 6 guards. The media has not accounted for 2 persons or explained why either car was short staffed?

[dantonsen]

I bet the robbers saw a guard going for a gun or trying to play hero and shot first.

Ive always thought carrying a gun won't protect you it'll just make the bad guy want to shoot you before you can get it out as the victum is usually re-acting to an initial act of intimidation or violence.

what ever happened it is sad, no life is worth the money, we also had a good summaritan hit and killed yester day too... that's 4 people doing the right thing and they ended up paying with their lives,

[fortyseven]

Hopefully all our questions are answered as the day progresses. I'm keeping my eyes to the news for sure.

My girlfriend works at the university. Seems like everyone is on edge and nervous about it. Loads of TV vans at the university, and heavy police presence at Hub still.

What a shame this sort of thing has happened. A lot of people seem to be of the opinion that poverty is the motive for stealing the money. I'd say it'd more likely be greed. I don't understand how anyone can live in AB and be poor, unless you're too lazy to buy a pair of work boots.

[covey ridge]

I don't see anyone who thinks proerty is the motive?

[S-in-Cochrane]

I think campus five-os, border patrols and wildlife officers should be armed.

ABSOLUTELY NOT on the campus five-os. They aren't even qualified to be rent a cops.

[BGSH]

Live streaming is on right now
http://www.globaltvedmonton.com/students+describe+university+shooting+that+has+kil led+three/6442661720/story.html

[Lefty-Canuck]

They are on lookout for a 22yr old male person of interest.....on the look out for a blue F-150...with Alta plates....Travis Brandon Baumgartner.

LC

[kayaker]

They are on lookout for a 22yr old male person of interest.....on the look out for a blue F-150...with Alta plates....Travis Brandon Baumgartner.

LC

http://www.edmontonpolice.ca/News/MediaReleases/PoliceSearchforPersonofInterestinUofAshootings.asp x

[zero]

They are on lookout for a 22yr old male person of interest.....on the look out for a blue F-150...with Alta plates....Travis Brandon Baumgartner.

LC

looks like he updated his facebook profile just before he did the heist


http://i.imgur.com/r2Yu7.gif

a face to the name
http://i.imgur.com/BDA6O.jpg

[Lefty-Canuck]

WOW....this kid is sadly not going to go down peacefully....I hope they do what they have to so that no one else gets hurt...

LC

[dumoulin]

ABSOLUTELY NOT on the campus five-os. They aren't even qualified to be rent a cops.

??? To be a five-o at U of A you have to become a peace officer which is not like a cop, agreed, but miles away from mall security! LOL....

Perhaps what I should have said was to increase their level of competency and training which would allow them to carry a sidearm.

[zero]

they are saying now that travis was with the crew that night, so there were 5 on duty? this is getting more interesting as the day goes on...

[jryley]

An ex employee of mine knows the suspect in question. 21 years old. Scary stuff. I guess the kids facebook page is littered with his friends telling him to turn himself in.

[zero]

So this is what I think happened

travis b goes into mall with 3 other guards, executes them, comes out to g4 truck, kills driver, drives g4 truck a block from his truck, parks it, gets his personal truck, unloads contents of g4 truck into his and now hes on his way to where ever he thinks he can hide.

[airbornedeerhunter]

The entitled generation has just weighed in! Students at U of A are upset that they were not sent text messages by university staff warning them of the danger moments after the incident. 3 people are dead, a 4th is critically wounded, an armed suspect is still at large and they are PO'd that they were'nt in the know. But they are all special right?

[Okotokian]

You look at a picture of a kid like him... he looks like your kids' buddies you chat with when they come over... and wonder "what the hell happened to you to do this????"

[Okotokian]

The entitled generation has just weighed in! Students at U of A are upset that they were not sent text messages by university staff warning them of the danger moments after the incident. 3 people are dead, a 4th is critically wounded, an armed suspect is still at large and they are PO'd that they were'nt in the know. But they are all special right?

What does that have to do with entitled? You been to Hub? It's a student residence.

[fortyseven]

Sadly it looks like this guy will go out with a bullet in his head. I only hope it's the police that get the pleasure of dispensing it.

[Okotokian]

Sadly it looks like this guy will go out with a bullet in his head. I only hope it's the police that get the pleasure of dispensing it.

I've never heard that an officer got much pleasure, at least not after the fact. reams of paperwork, an investigation, accusations from armchair quarterbacks like us (warranted or not), and likely months of counselling.

[fortyseven]

I've never heard that an officer got much pleasure, at least not after the fact. reams of paperwork, an investigation, accusations from armchair quarterbacks like us (warranted or not), and likely months of counselling.

I know what you mean, and I agree, but there has to be some small sense of satisfaction for terminating someone who has killed in such cold blood. The armoured car workers were just doing their job, and killed for what, a couple thousand dollars or so? Scum like that doesn't deserve to breathe the same air as us.

[Mutter87]

Can't see this ending peacefully, makes no sense for it to. The kid has to know he is going to go down for a long time, probably going to be suicide by cop, would make the most sense. If he really planned this out he would be about to board a boat for South America, non extradicial countries with a bag full of cash, live quite nicely for years, Brazil has a few Eurocentric towns in the mountains he could live in without anyone knowing who he is.

[shooter]

Sad day for the families of the victims. Having worked for that company for a few years in my past it has large impact. Sounds like a service crew met up with the truck and somehow it turned into this terrible disaster. For a measly 22$ per hour.
Best wishes to the families and friends.

[BeeGuy]

The entitled generation has just weighed in! Students at U of A are upset that they were not sent text messages by university staff warning them of the danger moments after the incident. 3 people are dead, a 4th is critically wounded, an armed suspect is still at large and they are PO'd that they were'nt in the know. But they are all special right?

What's the issue with a functioning emergency response system?

entitled to security?

bitter against students?

[jryley]

The entitled generation has just weighed in! Students at U of A are upset that they were not sent text messages by university staff warning them of the danger moments after the incident. 3 people are dead, a 4th is critically wounded, an armed suspect is still at large and they are PO'd that they were'nt in the know. But they are all special right?

You bet theyre entitled to the service they pay for. What the heck does your post even mean? What an idiotic comment man. HUB is a student residency. There were students studying very close by as tactical teams rushed by. I cant
Stress how much of a ******* comment you just
Made.

[JohninAB]

The entitled generation has just weighed in! Students at U of A are upset that they were not sent text messages by university staff warning them of the danger moments after the incident. 3 people are dead, a 4th is critically wounded, an armed suspect is still at large and they are PO'd that they were'nt in the know. But they are all special right?

WOW! Cannot even type a response to a post like that. Absolutely a terrible post.

[CantThinkOfAName]

The entitled generation has just weighed in! Students at U of A are upset that they were not sent text messages by university staff warning them of the danger moments after the incident. 3 people are dead, a 4th is critically wounded, an armed suspect is still at large and they are PO'd that they were'nt in the know. But they are all special right?

15,000 or so employees.
God knows how many students are still around. At least its a lot lower than 35,000 they have at peak.
And every single one is a potential hostage.

U of A actually puts warnings and security situations on the first page of their website. Too bad they dropped the ball and didn't say anything about a gunman who was still on the loose!
Their app should be adjusted to have real time notifications about emergencies as well.
I wouldn't have known a thing before I walked into work except my gf and my dad both called me this morning after they heard.

[Mountain Guy]

Alberta is and always has been a pretty violent place with a good number of violent people.
I can't understand why most armoured guards are still packing wheel guns that look like old hand me downs from a bygone era.
Do these guys have to buy there own weapons from their low salaries or do the companies just not give a dam about their employees?


Jim

Really?
Do you really think the outcome would have been different had they been armed with more modern sidearms?

Some people watch too many movies...

[Yéil]

The entitled generation has just weighed in! Students at U of A are upset that they were not sent text messages by university staff warning them of the danger moments after the incident. 3 people are dead, a 4th is critically wounded, an armed suspect is still at large and they are PO'd that they were'nt in the know. But they are all special right?

Part of that service stems from incidents where students have been gunned down/held hostage in the past. In every after-incident briefing where school shootings have occurred, the number one issue was not being able to contact the kids/staff to stay out of the way or get to safety quickly.

So yeah, the kids do have a right to gripe... since school kids seem to be a target of choice for some nutbars.

You'd be surprised how many communities use the Prism alert system and other systems like it - the fact this particular system didn't do what it was intended to do... is quite disturbing.

[Lefty-Canuck]

15,000 or so employees.
God knows how many students are still around. At least its a lot lower than 35,000 they have at peak.
And every single one is a potential hostage.

U of A actually puts warnings and security situations on the first page of their website. Too bad they dropped the ball and didn't say anything about a gunman who was still on the loose!
Their app should be adjusted to have real time notifications about emergencies as well.
I wouldn't have known a thing before I walked into work except my gf and my dad both called me this morning after they heard.

It does.....my boss had a warning dropped into his iPhone last night because he has an app on his phone for U of A....it hit his phone around midnight...so something was working correctly....

LC

[BBJTKLE&FISHINGADVENTURES]

This is strange , considering the other night , there was a show on I think Discovery , that a guy did the same thing . Inside job shot the armoured guards . Then took the truck loaded an awaiting vehicle and was out of there . Then he went and stashed 75 % of the cash , then attempted to leave the country.

This happened around midnight last night there was no name or picture given until early this morning . So what says he didn't drop the armoured truck off , loaded his vehicle , and hit the airport and is now in another country .

This is some mighty scary stuff , shot and killed 3 people wounding another , what is holding him back from killing others . Granted it could have been a 100 times worse . Still very sad and disturbing to say the least .

Thoughts and prayers to the family's , friends , and to the family of the shooter . That has to be difficult for them to .

[airbornedeerhunter]

What does that have to do with entitled? You been to Hub? It's a student residence.

My point was that all the students that were being interviewed were distraught that they were'nt contacted and told what was going on. Not one word about the three folks who were killed. Just "poor me, I was so scared,why could'nt someone have told what was going on". So the "entitled" phrase was used because all they thought of was themselves, not the dead, wounded or their families.

[jryley]

My point was that all the students that were being interviewed were distraught that they were'nt contacted and told what was going on. Not one word about the three folks who were killed. Just "poor me, I was so scared,why could'nt someone have told what was going on". So the "entitled" phrase was used because all they thought of was themselves, not the dead, wounded or their families.

Again, dumb post. Research the u of a text notifixation system before you spew dumb comments.

[BGSH]

Any updates, did they find this cold blooded killer yet, he probably went to the bush hiding, did he get away with any money? because if so he could probably pay off someone to transport him out of the country of so on...

[baptiste_moose]

I was shooting at the shpk f&g range 2 weeks ago and the killer (suspect) was there shooting 4 benches down from me. He seemed like a normal dude. As soon as I saw his picture I recognized him. Shooting some sorta leaver with a tac scope.

[uglyelk]

My Daughter lives in the Hub, glad she was home in Banff when this happened. She has never be contacted by the university, there does not appear to any effort to verify all the residents of the building are accounted for.

Hope those responsible for this shooting are arrested quickly. I think we should still have a death penalty for those commit murder.

[Okotokian]

My point was that all the students that were being interviewed were distraught that they were'nt contacted and told what was going on. Not one word about the three folks who were killed. Just "poor me, I was so scared,why could'nt someone have told what was going on". So the "entitled" phrase was used because all they thought of was themselves, not the dead, wounded or their families.

Nice try.

Nothing wrong with being concerned with your own safety. That's doesn't make anyone "entitled", except in your mind. If your daughter was 50 feet away from a murder you would be more concerned with her safety than for some family you don't know. Besides, neither you nor I have no idea what any student thought, only what the reporter chose to quote.

[Redfrog]

"I think we should still have a death penalty for those commit murder."
__________________


Haven't you heard. The death penalty kills innocent people too.:thinking-006:

[airbornedeerhunter]

Nice try.

Nothing wrong with being concerned with your own safety. That's doesn't make anyone "entitled", except in your mind. If your daughter was 50 feet away from a murder you would be more concerned with her safety than for some family you don't know. Besides, neither you nor I have no idea what any student thought, only what the reporter chose to quote.

Fair enough!

[Lefty-Canuck]

"I think we should still have a death penalty for those commit murder."
__________________

Haven't you heard. The death penalty kills innocent people too.:thinking-006:

If there is no level of doubt.....ie. greyhound crazy guy, face eating guy, Paul Bernardo, Jeffrey Dalmer type people.....then 100% capital punishment.....if there is ANY DOUBT then lock them up for LIFE, REAL LIFE not "Canadian Life" then at least they have the rest of their life to seek out to prove they are innocent.

BUT if you are caught with a smoking gun, decapitated head, blood dripping knife, video evidence, 500 eye witnesses, an armoured car full of money you obtained by killing 3 people....etc. Then you should pay the ultimate price.

LC

[Okotokian]

Fair enough!

Did ya like that part where I said "Neither you nor I have no idea..."? LOL My teachers wasted their time on me.

[airbornedeerhunter]

Did ya like that part where I said "Neither you nor I have no idea..."? LOL My teachers wasted their time on me.

Yeah, your grammar is terrible. LoL

[countrykid]

My point was that all the students that were being interviewed were distraught that they were'nt contacted and told what was going on. Not one word about the three folks who were killed. Just "poor me, I was so scared,why could'nt someone have told what was going on". So the "entitled" phrase was used because all they thought of was themselves, not the dead, wounded or their families.

Just...no. No. For the amount of money we pay to have these systems installed and operated they had better work when they are supposed to. I got the notification at exactly 12:16PM today. Needless to say it was just a little late. There is no sense of "entitlement" going on here at all. Before you decide to make comments like that, think about it first.

My heart goes out to the families that were affected by this horrible tragedy.

[BeeGuy]

"I think we should still have a death penalty for those commit murder."
__________________


Haven't you heard. The death penalty kills innocent people too.:thinking-006:

Not sure if your reading comprehension is up to snuff, but here are some relevant cases where innocent people were convicted of murder in Canada.

If we had the death penalty for murderers in this country, it is possible they could have been wrongfully executed.

Click on this Redfrog (http://innocenceproject.ca/WrongfulConviction.htm)

Kill the Pig! Cut his Throat! Kill the Pig! Bash him in!

[Rumtan]

1 block west of me is locked down......tactical squad out and tons of cop cars in the areaSherwood Park, on street where Travis Baumgartner lives. Detectives going door to door, tactical units in the area and tracking dogs

[Redfrog]

Yeah, your grammar is terrible. LoL

That may be but she sure did a good job with him.:)

[Latin For Quack]

I worked armoured car the summer between 1st and 2nd year law school and HUB mall was on one of the routes I did several shifts on(Not with G4S, but Brinks). I'd say that there isn't yet enough information to start flicking boogers on anybody or group with an interest in the outcomes, with the obvious exception being the possible trigger man the EPS are hunting for.

I feel for the families of the people dead and wounded, especially because the personal nature of this tragic day is just starting. With three dead already, there are going to be massive inquests and reviews into armoured car services in Alberta, which might bring some good, but will take a toll on those who will have to bear their pain under public scrutiny.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Not sure if your reading comprehension is up to snuff, but here are some relevant cases where innocent people were convicted of murder in Canada.

If we had the death penalty for murderers in this country, it is possible they could have been wrongfully executed.

Click on this Redfrog (http://innocenceproject.ca/WrongfulConviction.htm)

Kill the Pig! Cut his Throat! Kill the Pig! Bash him in!

I get what you are saying Beeguy to some extent....but that is a list of 12 people what percentage is this 12 of how many are convicted and guilty of those crimes? I know you would feel 1 is too many but what would those 12 represent as a percentage base?

Do you think that if there is 0% doubt and 100% guilt the rules should be different? (ie. think of the greyhound bus killer)

LC

[Redfrog]

Not sure if your reading comprehension is up to snuff, but here are some relevant cases where innocent people were convicted of murder in Canada.

If we had the death penalty for murderers in this country, it is possible they could have been wrongfully executed.

Click on this Redfrog (http://innocenceproject.ca/WrongfulConviction.htm)

Kill the Pig! Cut his Throat! Kill the Pig! Bash him in!



Hey don't get mad at me, I'm just the messenger.:thinking-006:

[BBJTKLE&FISHINGADVENTURES]

1 block west of me is locked down......tactical squad out and tons of cop cars in the areaSherwood Park, on street where Travis Baumgartner lives. Detectives going door to door, tactical units in the area and tracking dogs

I doubt the guy is around . But I guess they gotta check for him . Scary stuff Mur .

[Redfrog]

Hey BeeGuy. Silly argument.

How many of those would be put to death and how many would receive life in prison?

Same old tired argument. When we had capital punishment how many innocents were hanged? How many convicted killers got life instead of going for rope ride?

Got a plan to rehab Bernardo? Picton, etc. etc?

[BGSH]

Hey BeeGuy. Silly argument.

How many of those would be put to death and how many would receive life in prison?

Same old tired argument. When we had capital punishment how many innocents were hanged? How many convicted killers got life instead of going for rope ride?

Got a plan to rehab Bernardo? Picton, etc. etc?

Only problem with the death penalty is how many innocent people are in jail and get the death penalty in the u.s.a

[zero]

I doubt the guy is around . But I guess they gotta check for him . Scary stuff Mur .

just keep an eye out when youre all out on the back roads hiking or hunting, if you see that blue ford f150, keep that plate number in mind. if he was a smart thief he would have had a get away car other than his pickup but it may not have been a well thought out robbery

[Redfrog]

Only problem with the death penalty is how many innocent people are in jail and get the death penalty in the u.s.a

Well there is another problem....how many people get stoned...the bad kind of stoned... in Iran?

This isn't the U.S. If it was we would all be packing and the streets would be running red with blood.:thinking-006:

[jryley]

I get what you are saying Beeguy to some extent....but that is a list of 12 people what percentage is this 12 of how many are convicted and guilty of those crimes? I know you would feel 1 is too many but what would those 12 represent as a percentage base?

Do you think that if there is 0% doubt and 100% guilt the rules should be different? (ie. think of the greyhound bus killer)

LC

Would your opinion not change if you sir were among the 0.001% of the wrongly accused with a death sentence hanging over their heads? Simple
Minds breed simple "solutions"....i.e the death penalty. Seems a lot of guys have a pretty big set of junk....until it happens to them.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Would your opinion not change if you sir were among the 0.001% of the wrongly accused with a death sentence hanging over their heads? Simple
Minds breed simple "solutions"....i.e the death penalty. Seems a lot of guys have a pretty big set of junk....until it happens to them.

You missed my point...

"Do you think that if there is 0% doubt and 100% guilt the rules should be different? (ie. think of the greyhound bus killer)"

....I ask you the same question....

I am talking absolutes here....

Scenario....you walk into your house to find someone eating a family member...do you think he/she should hang for it? or be "rehabilitated"?... is there any doubt in your mind this person is guilty?

LC

[BGSH]

You missed my point...

Do you think that if there is 0% doubt and 100% guilt the rules should be different? (ie. think of the greyhound bus killer)

....I ask you the same question....

I am talking absolutes here....

LC

I was always told two wrongs do not make a right but now i may reconsider.

[JimPS]

Really?
Do you really think the outcome would have been different had they been armed with more modern sidearms?

Some people watch too many movies...

I simply made a comment from my personal observation that a lot of companies, not all, issue guards with surplus LEO wheel guns.

I wouldn't want to be a $18.00 an hour security guard packing a .38 Special staring down a ripper gang armed with AK's and Glocks.

Any recollection of the Quebec Gang armed with FN's that hit the armoured guards at Market Mall in Calgary a long time ago?
I think those poor basta*ds only had .38 Wobblies.

And that wasn't the movies either, friend.

Jim

[Redfrog]

I was told two lefts don't make a right, and I'm sticking with that.:)

[jryley]

You missed my point...

"Do you think that if there is 0% doubt and 100% guilt the rules should be different? (ie. think of the greyhound bus killer)"

....I ask you the same question....

I am talking absolutes here....

Scenario....you walk into your house to find someone eating a family member...do you think he/she should hang for it? or be "rehabilitated"?... is there any doubt in your mind this person is guilty?

LC

No i understood your point. And a valid point it is. However we will never live in a society where an ideoligy ever ever holds true....such as cut and dry murder cases.

the death penalty would open the door for so
Many erroneous innocent people being put to death. Theres no such thing as a cut dry murder case when you factor in statistical data relating to numerous eyewitness accounts.

Guy x kills a family of 3 with his vehicle while driving home
Late one night from the bar. Suspect blows over the legal limit for booze. Family of said victims call for guy x's head....as to them, drunk driving resulting in the loss of life equates to murder or in the very least vehicular homicide. Judge agrees and sentences guy x to immediate death.........................family of guy x later reveals guy x suffered from diabetic shock. Which produces drunk lile symptoms and can cause people to "blow over".

Now when youre the guy sitting in jail, and the whole world has turned their backs on you, yet you know you in fact did nothing.....

Think about it.

Not to mention the countless dollars tax payers would inevitably be paying to "apologize" to wrongfully accused families To make up for killing their love one in the name of justice....again, is it worth it.

You seem like a smart guy lefty, so this next comment is not directed at you....but simpletons seem to be the only ones pushing for the death penalty, and frankly those are the last people i want making decisions for this country, province or any municipality.

[huntinstuff]

3 warrants for first degree murder out for Baumgartner

[uglyelk]

Not sure if your reading comprehension is up to snuff, but here are some relevant cases where innocent people were convicted of murder in Canada.

If we had the death penalty for murderers in this country, it is possible they could have been wrongfully executed.

Click on this Redfrog (http://innocenceproject.ca/WrongfulConviction.htm)

Kill the Pig! Cut his Throat! Kill the Pig! Bash him in!

ahhh heck lets stop putting people in prison too we might make a mistake!

love the lord of the flies quote:sHa_shakeshout:

[fortyseven]

Just heard from a second-hand account that his truck was reported seen in north edmonton, with matching make, model and plate, and police were called, and have swarmed the truck. I'll have more information as I hear it.

[zero]

where in north eddy? im up in the castle downs area of the NW, maybe he dumped it for another car

[thefloormat]

Just checked, the vehicle you speak of being swarmed was not the suspect.

[full_throttle]

Sounds like its the wrong day to be in Edmonton driving a blue ford half ton.

[avb3]

This is one sick individual!

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/599253667.jpg?key=800449&Expires=1339799508&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=tlmTM8hIv-MdnoU-I9vvxU4NG8Pj7H~iKtT3UPTYdjmzn~n9XSCfUuBYA9~5S9L-TDI6HaGCuOlokGHISdpmwjRMG-4ocUwI-pzv~T5YKx1ALv3IBfTL43ijrx2dC1~HLw5vRr5sBnGbVQ4h6Lt 7Rs2mpZKj6ApMxHazleL1RF4_

[CaberTosser]

Any recollection of the Quebec Gang armed with FN's that hit the armoured guards at Market Mall in Calgary a long time ago?
I think those poor basta*ds only had .38 Wobblies.

And that wasn't the movies either, friend.

Jim


I don't recall such an event in Calgary. Are you sure you're not referring to the robbery at North Hill Mall in the early '90's where a former CF Airborne member was in cohoots with an armored car employee? A Steyr Aug was used, shots were fired, but there were no injuries or fatalities (due to the former elite soldier just using suppressive fire). That former soldier is out now having served his time, and he has authored a book; I've met him and my impression is that he was a good guy driven bad rather than just a bad guy.
I hesitate to bring him up in this thread because he's far and away a different guy from this Baumgartner killer, but it was topical.

[thefloormat]

hes not getting out of the country, story has gone national.

I've also heard that the fourth has passed away.

[FlareKing]

Just found out one of the victims was my friends sister in law or step sister. She was hard to understand on the phone.

Gonna be hard not to slam every blue F-150 off the road.

[1899b]

The boys have a home here in Sherwood park surrounded. The suspects folks have been at the detachment all day trying to convince him to give himself up.

[zero]

Just found out one of the victims was my friends sister in law or step sister. She was hard to understand on the phone.

Gonna be hard not to slam every blue F-150 off the road.

i drive a blue ford f150... not today though.

[Hagalaz]

I would submit that most people don't have faith in the legal system BECAUSE we keep letting murderers and rapists get off.....

Agreed.

If we started removing some of the above mentioned people from the world of the living, faith in the justice system would probably pick up.

[zero]

I've also heard that the fourth has passed away.



My wife found a video of the eps breaking down the door rescuing the injured employee of g4s

you can pm me if you want the link its pretty graphic sounding

[pattycr125]

what a terrible way to die, guarding somebody else's money :( stupid world.

[CaberTosser]

Baumgartner made a comment like that on his Facebook page and nobody reports him despite knowing he's got firearms? I guess with so many empty threats from so many internet tough guys it's difficult to tell the empty bravado from the true evil until it's too late:(

[sureshot]

Easy solution shoot on sight. No fuss no muss

Andy

[Okotokian]

Easy solution shoot on sight. No fuss no muss

Andy

ooopppss... well he LOOKED like Baumgartner..... :scared:

[Bear00]

My wife found a video of the eps breaking down the door rescuing the injured employee of g4s

you can pm me if you want the link its pretty graphic sounding

frigging crazy what happened

[pesky672]

My point was that all the students that were being interviewed were distraught that they were'nt contacted and told what was going on. Not one word about the three folks who were killed. Just "poor me, I was so scared,why could'nt someone have told what was going on". So the "entitled" phrase was used because all they thought of was themselves, not the dead, wounded or their families.

Interesting point.
It is true..I listened to live reports and not one "distressed" student mentioned any sympathy for the real victims or their families.

Still...I think it might have been better to start another thread...to avoid distraction from the issue at hand.

[covey ridge]

I don't recall such an event in Calgary. Are you sure you're not referring to the robbery at North Hill Mall in the early '90's where a former CF Airborne member was in cohoots with an armored car employee? A Steyr Aug was used, shots were fired, but there were no injuries or fatalities (due to the former elite soldier just using suppressive fire). That former soldier is out now having served his time, and he has authored a book; I've met him and my impression is that he was a good guy driven bad rather than just a bad guy.
I hesitate to bring him up in this thread because he's far and away a different guy from this Baumgartner killer, but it was topical.

That armoured car robbery in the mall was in the 80s and was done by a fellows named diPietro and Panachui (ph) Both of those dudes were arrested by the Mexican Police and returned to Canada. There were several tooth extractions done by the Mexican Police but the money was never found;)

[Mountain Guy]

I simply made a comment from my personal observation that a lot of companies, not all, issue guards with surplus LEO wheel guns.

I wouldn't want to be a $18.00 an hour security guard packing a .38 Special staring down a ripper gang armed with AK's and Glocks.

Any recollection of the Quebec Gang armed with FN's that hit the armoured guards at Market Mall in Calgary a long time ago?
I think those poor basta*ds only had .38 Wobblies.

And that wasn't the movies either, friend.

Jim

Ohhh. Now I get your point.
If they had Glock's instead of 38 wobblies this would never have happened because of the quebec gang in Calgary.
Pardon my ignorance friend...

[Mutter87]

The boys have a home here in Sherwood park surrounded. The suspects folks have been at the detachment all day trying to convince him to give himself up.

Any update on this?

[Rumtan]

I just drove back from shopping and the police presence has diminished considerably.....only 2 cop cars there now. 10 Sandpiper is the house. Only one TV van there too.

[BGSH]

My gut feeling says he headed to the mountains or somewhere where there are no people around.

[zero]

My gut feeling says he headed to the mountains or somewhere where there are no people around.

yeah same, just keep an eye out if your in the bush hunting or hiking/outdoorsing it up, if he did do this hes pretty cold blooded to kill 3 co workers and trying for all 4.

[BGSH]

yeah same, just keep an eye out if your in the bush hunting or hiking/outdoorsing it up, if he did do this hes pretty cold blooded to kill 3 co workers and trying for all 4.

Also another feeling says he has got nothing to loose and may be planning on a big killing spree, hopefully they catch him fast..

[hal53]

Also another feeling says he has got nothing to loose and may be planning on a big killing spree, hopefully they catch him fast..
"thinking" he may have had a plan in place???....took a long time to identify him as a person of interest????....maybe swithced shifts at the last minute with somebody???...he had a lot of time to vanish after the fact...dunno????

[GMC]

" MONEY "

It's the " Ultimate Mind Altering Substance "

Makes some go to the Maximum Extreme to obtain it.

VERY BAD SITUATION:mad0030:

[CaberTosser]

Curious about the video Boounga linked, but no-Facebookie for this cowboy; anybody have a parallel YouTube link?

[260 Rem]

I was shooting at the shpk f&g range 2 weeks ago and the killer (suspect) was there shooting 4 benches down from me. He seemed like a normal dude. As soon as I saw his picture I recognized him. Shooting some sorta leaver with a tac scope.
SPFGA has checked membership list and found no match with suspects name.... It is possible he was there unauthorized. All sign-in sheets are kept on file. If we can confirm dates and approximate times, it is easy to determine which members signed in-out.... If police present a warrant for the files and video and find he was on site, it could prove interesting for the member who let him in.....as the least of his worries would be getting punted from the club for permitting a non-member to shoot.

[Mountain Guy]

My gut feeling says he headed to the mountains or somewhere where there are no people around.

Interesting...I did see a baby blue ford 1/2 ton with a younger fella wearing a hat going west thru Jasper on hwy 16 at around 430 this afternoon.
The only reason I know this is because I know someone from Jasper who has a similar truck and thought it was them.

[Mountain Guy]

If this guy has a brownish personalized plate on the front we could be onto something :thinking-006:

[fortyseven]

This is a photo of his truck that he posted on a dating profile.

http://postmediaedmonton.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/jbov0kyvxh_201300081.jpg

[Mountain Guy]

Not it...thanks for posting

[Gust]

Heard a bit on the news that he had a argument with his mother about money. 21, nice new truck, security guard, his picture on a dating site is his truck,,, chances are he couldnt make payments on his chick bling.

[TyreeUM]

Heard a bit on the news that he had a argument with his mother about money. 21, nice new truck, security guard, his picture on a dating site is his truck,,, chances are he couldnt make payments on his chick bling.

no person is going to kill people over not being able to make a truck payment...not anyone without serious psychological issues.

[zero]

no person is going to kill people over not being able to make a truck payment...not anyone without serious psychological issues.

yeah you would be surprised at what people do now-a-days

[greylynx]

And I wonder what mental problem he will have when he arrives at trial?

Chick Bling Syndrome?

One has to feel for the families of the dead. Kids just trying to make a living.

[wwbirds]

I thought he had already proven serious psychological issues!

[greylynx]

Another Vince Li ? Could you imagine working in the clown prosecutors office on this new case? Buy those QC's a beer.

[boounga]

http://www.pof.com/member38739335.htm

[BBJTKLE&FISHINGADVENTURES]

I think it takes above average intelligence , to pull something off like this and alot of planning . I wouldnt be shocked that he was on a plane to Mexico or some place in South america .

[Scott N]

[QUOTE=zero;1481041]same as this

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This should be removed for respect of the families of the victims. **** like this doesn't need to be posted on a family board.

[pesky672]

I think it takes above average intelligence , to pull something off like this and alot of planning . I wouldnt be shocked that he was on a plane to Mexico or some place in South america .

Or he just decided to walk up on unsuspecting co-workers...pull his gun out and start shooting... throw the money back in the truck and drive drive drive.

To be honest... if he'd spent a bit of time planning this...I don't think those poor souls would be dead and he wouldn't have needed to use the truck or his personal vehicle to get away.

I suspect that the only reason that he has not already been caught is that it was late at night, he had some lead time before the alarm was raised and it's a big country. He probably spent the rest of the night trying to get some distance between himself and the crime scene and by now is holed up in the bush some place wondering where he can get another ride and how far he will have to go before he quits seeing his picture on TV.

Wouldn't surprise me if they find him dead by his own hand because he realizes that he's really made a mess of it.

[Rocky7]

My point was that all the students that were being interviewed were distraught that they were'nt contacted and told what was going on. Not one word about the three folks who were killed. Just "poor me, I was so scared,why could'nt someone have told what was going on". So the "entitled" phrase was used because all they thought of was themselves, not the dead, wounded or their families.

Yeah, a little disgusting isn't it? You can hear somebody laughing on the YouTube video as they run away at the end. I hope it was just nervousness because they just listened to a lot of moaning mixed in with the shots.

My guess would be that he's already dead, but who knows...

[KegRiver]

This should be removed for respect of the families of the victims. **** like this doesn't need to be posted on a family board.

I agree. Plus there may be legal issues as it could be used in any upcoming trial.

[zero]

Yeah, a little disgusting isn't it? You can hear somebody laughing on the YouTube video as they run away at the end. I hope it was just nervousness because they just listened to a lot of moaning mixed in with the shots.

My guess would be that he's already dead, but who knows...

if you are referring to the shots in the video those were the ram hitting the door they were using to knock it down with. if anyone wants that vid ill link it to you in pm, or you can search it on youtube its not secrete

[Rocky7]

if you are referring to the shots in the video those were the ram hitting the door they were using to knock it down with. if anyone wants that vid ill link it to you in pm, or you can search it on youtube its not secrete

Ah, that makes more sense. Still, it seems surreal to see people just standing around, then a laugh, after hearing all that moaning. I don't want to be too harsh, I wasn't there. Just saying it seems out of place.

There's never been a school shooting in Utah. Students who have a permit are allowed to carry on Utah campuses. Apparently, that does not appeal to a POS who wants to dress up all scary and make a statement. I imagine the possibility of being shot dead by a 5'5" brunette and then dragged out the door by your heels is just not the kind of statement a POS wants.

[Gust]

no person is going to kiople over not being able to make a truck payment...not anyone without serious psychological issues.

I lived in san francisco and worked as a courier,, on a sunny day at the height of lunch rush, two guys on mtn bikes showed up at the bank of america building across the street from the wells fargo hq, in other words banking central and they killed 6 brinks delivery guys and made off with 250 thousand. Never caught, and they used mountaoin bikes. The police that day were losing their minds shaking down every courier they saw

[Rod1960]

SPFGA has checked membership list and found no match with suspects name.... It is possible he was there unauthorized. All sign-in sheets are kept on file. If we can confirm dates and approximate times, it is easy to determine which members signed in-out.... If police present a warrant for the files and video and find he was on site, it could prove interesting for the member who let him in.....as the least of his worries would be getting punted from the club for permitting a non-member to shoot.

Could he have gotten a membership under an alias? In the 3 years that I've gotten mine I have never been asked for ID.

[BBJTKLE&FISHINGADVENTURES]

Or he just decided to walk up on unsuspecting co-workers...pull his gun out and start shooting... throw the money back in the truck and drive drive drive.

To be honest... if he'd spent a bit of time planning this...I don't think those poor souls would be dead and he wouldn't have needed to use the truck or his personal vehicle to get away.

I suspect that the only reason that he has not already been caught is that it was late at night, he had some lead time before the alarm was raised and it's a big country. He probably spent the rest of the night trying to get some distance between himself and the crime scene and by now is holed up in the bush some place wondering where he can get another ride and how far he will have to go before he quits seeing his picture on TV.

Wouldn't surprise me if they find him dead by his own hand because he realizes that he's really made a mess of it.

That is true , but then agian something could of happened during that robbery that we will not know , and it could of come down you die or me . And I know put in a position im not the one going to die .

[Rackmastr]

I think it takes above average intelligence , to pull something off like this and alot of planning . I wouldnt be shocked that he was on a plane to Mexico or some place in South america .

This isnt Hollywood....and I think you're either giving this person WAY too much credit for intelligence, or your idea of 'average' is quite low.

[BBJTKLE&FISHINGADVENTURES]

This isnt Hollywood....and I think you're either giving this person WAY too much credit for intelligence, or your idea of 'average' is quite low.

I have never said it was . I think with some planning it could have been done , I dont know if you read my post in the first few threads , but there was a show on Tv the other day maybe a week or so ago , that this exact same thing happened . I am not giving anyone credit , just being realistic .

It takes balls to do what that guy did , not to mention not come out dead on top of it , but thats all I will say on the topic , I dont need to come out the bad guy .

[Rackmastr]

It takes balls to do what that guy did , not to mention not come out dead on top of it , but thats all I will say on the topic , I dont need to come out the bad guy .

Most ignorant post of the year goes to.......

[Bear00]

I have never said it was . I think with some planning it could have been done , I dont know if you read my post in the first few threads , but there was a show on Tv the other day maybe a week or so ago , that this exact same thing happened . I am not giving anyone credit , just being realistic .

It takes balls to do what that guy did , not to mention not come out dead on top of it , but thats all I will say on the topic , I dont need to come out the bad guy .


your right, takes alot of balls to kill innocent people. :snapoutofit:

[dale7637]

Just found out that one of the guards was a young woman that I went to high school with.
I didn't know her really well, but well enough to know that she was a stand up person.

I hope that he never sees the inside of the courtroom. The only thing that he should see is the inside of a body bag.

[Mutter87]

Most ignorant post of the year goes to.......

How do you figure? He never said the guy was a hero or a stand up guy, Just stated the obvious. Obviously the guy had balls and was calm and collected while doing his deed. I hope they catch the guy but this was planned out and the guy followed through his plan to a T.

[Bear00]

Most ignorant post of the year goes to.......

x2

[BBJTKLE&FISHINGADVENTURES]

Most ignorant post of the year goes to.......

Thank you You shouldn't have , I want an acceptance speech .

your right, takes alot of balls to kill innocent people. :snapoutofit:

Another brillant post by Bear 00 , I never said it was the right thing to do , Put yourself in this twisted story , are you going to be the first one to shoot or stand there and be shot ? Pretty common sence buddy .

I gotta go to bed , have to be up at 430 to go fishing . Keep the forum going Bear00 your doing well ;)

How do you figure? He never said the guy was a hero or a stand up guy, Just stated the obvious. Obviously the guy had balls and was calm and collected while doing his deed. I hope they catch the guy but this was planned out and the guy followed through his plan to a T.

THANK YOU SOME ONE THAT GETS WHAT IM SAYING HOLY CRAP .

[Bear00]

How do you figure? He never said the guy was a hero or a stand up guy, Just stated the obvious. Obviously the guy had balls and was calm and collected while doing his deed. I hope they catch the guy but this was planned out and the guy followed through his plan to a T.

why would a person even credit the guy for "having balls" to do what he did.

familys are suffering because this guy" had the balls and strategically planned this assassination of innocent people"

[dale7637]

4 innocent people die and you clowns decide to have a ****ig match?

Good work fellas.

[Rackmastr]

4 innocent people die and you clowns decide to have a ****ig match?

Good work fellas.

Exactly....4 INNOCENT people died and some of us dont like hearing how much 'balls' a murderer has or how well executed his plan was or how above average intelligence this person has. Its ignorant and inconsiderate.

All that matters is that 4 people died and that a murderer needs to be caught. No need to disrespect the people who died innocently doing their job by talking about how 'brave' or the type of 'balls' that this low-life had in killing them.

[Bear00]

Exactly....4 INNOCENT people died and some of us dont like hearing how much 'balls' a murderer has or how well executed his plan was or how above average intelligence this person has. Its ignorant and inconsiderate.

All that matters is that 4 people died and that a murderer needs to be caught. No need to disrespect the people who died innocently doing their job by talking about how 'brave' or the type of 'balls' that this low-life had in killing them.

Exactly!!!

[Mutter87]

why would a person even credit the guy for "having balls" to do what he did.

familys are suffering because this guy" had the balls and strategically planned this assassination of innocent people"

ah nevermind, you just don't get it.

[Bear00]

ah nevermind, you just don't get it.

My sister was murdered years ago, so when I hear some sick ******* gets any kind of credit in any way for killing, or someone goes to say he had balls to do what he did, im going to be PO'd,

so ya, I get it

[Mutter87]

My sister was murdered years ago, so when I hear some sick ******* gets any kind of credit in any way for killing, or someone goes to say he had balls to do what he did, im going to be PO'd,

so ya, I get it

No one is giving the guy credit or props. Don't try and make this out to something its not.

[Bear00]

No one is giving the guy credit or props. Don't try and make this out to something its not.

I think it takes above average intelligence , to pull something off like this and alot of planning . I wouldnt be shocked that he was on a plane to Mexico or some place in South america .

It takes balls to do what that guy did , not to mention not come out dead on top of it , but thats all I will say on the topic , I dont need to come out the bad guy .

yup

[pesky672]

Honestly.
I doubt his "plan" was more than...subdue co-workers with gun...shoot if it looks like there might be trouble....take money...run away some place.
Be rich and be happy happy drinking lime mojitos.
He probably developed his "plan' over breakfast that morning.

Whatever..the guy is a brain dead jerk that has ruined more lives than we can even guess.
I can't imagine how those families or for that matter...his own mother feel right now.

I hope he gets caught... convicted... jailed and butt r***d every day he is in by some guy nick named the Anaconda and for good reason.

In any case... my feeling is that we are somehow cheapening this by bickering and bantering about it.

Might be time to move on...at least until the guy is caught and the facts better known.

[Mutter87]

yup

Stand back and take a look at what happened, Don't put emotion into, Just look at the steps. When ever something like this happens avbove average Joe intelligence has to be used, whether it is for good or for bad does not change that fact. In the rooms the cops are using to build a profile on this guy they are saying the same thing, Has above average intelligence, The ability to stay calm in a sticky situation. Its just the way it is, I am sorry if you are offended but do not be under the assumption that we are standing up for this guy or glorifying him.

[BGSH]

Did this guy get any money? because if he did and if he was smart then he would have left the country asap, south america would have been the best bet and would never get caught if that is the case, even if he only got 20gs he will live large down there for a long time which sucks because they gotta catch this mental head and it may be to late.

[dale7637]

Honestly.
I doubt his "plan" was more than...subdue co-workers with gun...shoot if it looks like there might be trouble....take money...run away some place.
Be rich and be happy happy drinking lime mojitos.
He probably developed his "plan' over breakfast that morning.

Whatever..the guy is a brain dead jerk that has ruined more lives than we can even guess.
I can't imagine how those families or for that matter...his own mother feel right now.

I hope he gets caught... convicted... jailed and butt r***d every day he is in by some guy nick named the Anaconda and for good reason.

In any case... my feeling is that we are somehow cheapening this by bickering and bantering about it.

Might be time to move on...at least until the guy is caught and the facts better known.


The part about cheapening it is right.

It really irritates me that people feel the need to discuss this like it was last nights movie special on hbo.

Real innocent people died. Families are living a nightmare today. Enough said.

[Bear00]

[/B]


The part about cheapening it is right.

It really irritates me that people feel the need to discuss this like it was last nights movie special on hbo.

Real innocent people died. Families are living a nightmare today. Enough said.

Been there, done that. So don't preach it to me, hopefully the sick bastard takes his own life and the family doesn't not have to live with the fact hes safe in jail for life, its sucks, trust me, I think about it every day

[Lefty-Canuck]

Sometimes some things are just better left unsaid....this is a huge tragedy and until the perp is caught the focus should be on the folks left behind....and making sure no one else other than the perp suffers for this....

The part I can't believe is how he seems to be almost taunting people looking to nab him....one sick sick mind is behind this...

LC

[dale7637]

been there so don't preach it to me, hopefully the sick bastard takes his own life and the family doesn't not have to live with the fact hes safe in jail for life, its sucks, trust me, I think about it every day

I am not preaching at you.

I am sick and tired of everyone having to dissect things like these.

Oh.... He's got money, he must be in the bush, or the mountains, or south America. Oh, he's so smart and ballsy. It takes intelligence to pull this off. Statements like these are what I have a problem with.

This little waste of skin isn't ballsy or smart. He is a coward and a thief. He stole 4 innocent lives and ruined families over his own personal greed. I wouldnt call him smart, ballsy or brave. I wouldn't even call him a human. I cant say on here what I would call him. The one thing I want to hear someone call him is deceased.

[Bear00]

I am not preaching at you.

I am sick and tired of everyone having to dissect things like these.

Oh.... He's got money, he must be in the bush, or the mountains, or south America. Oh, he's so smart and ballsy. It takes intelligence to pull this off. Statements like these are what I have a problem with.

This little waste of skin isn't ballsy or smart. He is a coward and a thief. He stole 4 innocent lives and ruined families over his own personal greed. I wouldnt call him smart, ballsy or brave. I wouldn't even call him a human. I cant say on here what I would call him. The one thing I want to hear someone call him is deceased.

thats what iv been trying to say, the guy doesn't deserve to be recognized or credited for anything.

anyways, off to bed, goodnight everyone and my condolences are given to the familys of the victims.

[BGSH]

I am not preaching at you.

I am sick and tired of everyone having to dissect things like these.

Oh.... He's got money, he must be in the bush, or the mountains, or south America. Oh, he's so smart and ballsy. It takes intelligence to pull this off. Statements like these are what I have a problem with.

This little waste of skin isn't ballsy or smart. He is a coward and a thief. He stole 4 innocent lives and ruined families over his own personal greed. I wouldnt call him smart, ballsy or brave. I wouldn't even call him a human. I cant say on here what I would call him. The one thing I want to hear someone call him is deceased.

Dont get to ahead of yourself, just thinking of where the guy could be so we could get him, the guy is siick, and now there are 4 dead? the 4th person has died now? so sad r.i.p all of you, hope they get this siick person

[KegRiver]

It doesn't take courage or anything else worth having, to do what this guy did.

All it takes is a LACK of.

Lack of common sense.
Lack of moral standards.
Lack of empathy for others.
Lack of character.
Lack of decency.

I can see how some might equate his actions with courage or ballz as some say.
But it really isn't that at all.

It doesn't take courage to kill someone, if one believes they will get away with it. It only takes courage when one believes they won't, and then, only if they don't want to die.

[slivers86]

this guy is a pathetic loser who needs to be captured alive so he can face the courts, the families, and the directly or indirectly impacted people of this crime. Gotta be a complete coward to shoot your coworker in the back, who trusts you with their life. Rot in hell

[sureshot]

I am not preaching at you.

I am sick and tired of everyone having to dissect things like these.

Oh.... He's got money, he must be in the bush, or the mountains, or south America. Oh, he's so smart and ballsy. It takes intelligence to pull this off. Statements like these are what I have a problem with.

This little waste of skin isn't ballsy or smart. He is a coward and a thief. He stole 4 innocent lives and ruined families over his own personal greed. I wouldnt call him smart, ballsy or brave. I wouldn't even call him a human. I cant say on here what I would call him. The one thing I want to hear someone call him is deceased.

X2 well said. Like I said earlier shoot on sight. Why waste our tax dollars on this scum.

Andy

[1899b]

Do these armoured guards have shotties as well as their pistols? The papers were reporting a shotgun blast to the head of the person who was in hospital clinging to life. Does Baumgartner have his own gear with him then if these guards only have handguns??

[CaberTosser]

Personally I think the guy is well below average intelligence. Look at his linked profiles; he had the stupid but eerily foreshadowing statement of "popping people off" on facebook, and on that plentyoffish profile he said he was going to be CEO of a major corporation. Unless he's really good at playing stupid, this guy barely rates above retarded so far as I'm concerned.

A guy with a few brain cells to rub together would have formed a plan where nobody got hurt. For example, getting back to the truck and overpowering the lone driver and making off with the rest of the routes money while the crew is busy with the delivery. Or even easier, wait until he gets a driver position himself and no problemo (based on my logic here, I imagine the driver who gets left alone with the truck is probably a longer term staffer who has proven themselves). Baumgartner is nothing more than a psychopath who can't handle arguments with Mommy very well. Here's hoping he tries something stupid with ERT, the fights more fair when you're not plugging your comrades in the back or head in what amounts to a fortified closet.

[1899b]

X2 well said. Like I said earlier shoot on sight. Why waste our tax dollars on this scum.

Andy



x3..........................

[deanmc]

X2 well said. Like I said earlier shoot on sight. Why waste our tax dollars on this scum.

Andy

While we agree on an appropriate penalty for this scumbag we apparently don't have the same faith in our police to properly identify the scumbag at the other end of the weapon.

[Rocky7]

My sister was murdered years ago, so when I hear some sick ******* gets any kind of credit in any way for killing, or someone goes to say he had balls to do what he did, im going to be PO'd,

so ya, I get it


Yes, you do.

[full_throttle]

A little off topic, but it would be interesting to know how much money he got away with.

[Mountain Guy]

That is true , but then agian something could of happened during that robbery that we will not know , and it could of come down you die or me . And I know put in a position im not the one going to die .

Another guy that watched too many movies...

[Mutter87]

[/COLOR]

Another guy that watched too many movies...

Because he's not going to let himself die if he is put in a sticky situation? What?

[slivers86]

Do these armoured guards have shotties as well as their pistols? The papers were reporting a shotgun blast to the head of the person who was in hospital clinging to life. Does Baumgartner have his own gear with him then if these guards only have handguns??

I'm pretty sure they only carry the issued weapons while on duty, this being said, it would be difficult to conceal a shotgun while on duty in uniform. Never seen them with a shotgun before, would be interesting to find out though

[zero]

A little off topic, but it would be interesting to know how much money he got away with.
someone i know said that routes like that rarely have more then 60k

[Mountain Guy]

Because he's not going to let himself die if he is put in a sticky situation? What?

I really need to explain?
Really?

[CaberTosser]

I like BigBadJohn, and I'm pretty sure I get what he was tring to say, but I think he did manage to lodge his foot in his mouth on this one. Seeing the police bashing into the service area behind the ATM's makes you realize just what a cowardly ambush it was. He probably positioned himself by the door and had them all cornered inside.

[Mountain Guy]

In the real world the good guys aren't always loaded up with Ak's and Glock's and grenades on their body armor.
The bad guys aren't always the ones to die in the end.
Innocent people are murdered in cold blood by ( I don't even know how to describe this f-wad )
Sure, we would all like to be hero's and take out five bad guys and walk out holding the baby.
Unfortunately... in this world it doesn't work that way.
RIP - the 3 souls lost.

[Yéil]

I'm confused as to where the fourth person has been listed? The CF member/guard who has been injured is still listed as critical in Edmonton. Perhaps instead of bickering we might lend a moment of thought to him and his family that he survives and is able to give his account so that Baumgartner is locked up for a very long time.

[1899b]

This coward is so far gone right now. Lets just hope he doesn't go on a killing spree from here. The unfortunate thing also is someone has seen him probably in the last little bit but it didn't dawn on them or click yet......

[Divert]

Just to add from my experience doing the same job for the same company. Only certain crews are issued shotguns, generally ones who will have a longer response time for the police, definitely not this crew. As for driving, the crews usually rotate through driving, my first three months in the road was spent driving and waiting bymyself for the crew to be finished in the branch, sometimes for almost an hour.

[slivers86]

I wonder if the other guards had a chance to discharge their weapons in defence at all?

[1899b]

Just to add from my experience doing the same job for the same company. Only certain crews are issued shotguns, generally ones who will have a longer response time for the police, definitely not this crew. As for driving, the crews usually rotate through driving, my first three months in the road was spent driving and waiting bymyself for the crew to be finished in the branch, sometimes for almost an hour.

Thank you for the input.

[fortyseven]

I've said it one, I'll say it again. I hope police get the pleasure of dispatching this low life scumbag.

[slivers86]

I've said it one, I'll say it again. I hope police get the pleasure of dispatching this low life scumbag.

even if he makes it to jail alive - he wont be no hero there like the 'cop killers'. This guy will be the mon-sun corner of the room floor scrubber if ya know what i mean. When he walks in scared, the world is gunna change him forever, because he'll never see daylight again unless its through a fence or privacy window.

[greylynx]

Has there been any mention of a Reward yet?

[Steve07]

he'll never see daylight again unless its through a fence or privacy window.

This is Canada. You can cut a guy's head off on a Greyhound bus, eat parts of him, and still be out on daytrips in less than three years.

[CaberTosser]

If the 4th person has not succumbed to their injuries I must have read an unsubstantiated report that they had. I edited the thread title this morning at home, but can never seem to do so from my iPhone. I'll fix it when it's possible for me to do so.


How come we don't so often see the parents making public statements like " Goodbye junior, I can never forgive you for this. You've always been a major discipline problem and too difficult for me to control. I won't attend either your trial or your funeral. Shame on you for committing this atrocity" ?

[Yéil]

If the 4th person has not succumbed to their injuries I must have read an unsubstantiated report that they had. I edited the thread title this morning at home, but can never seem to do so from my iPhone. I'll fix it when it's possible for me to do so.


How come we don't so often see the parents making public statements like " Goodbye junior, I can never forgive you for this. You've always been a major discipline problem and too difficult for me to control. I won't attend either your trial or your funeral. Shame on you for committing this atrocity" ?

It's a negotiation tactic. If the accused/suspect believes that he still has something to stay alive for, he/she may surrender. If the parents/spouse were to publically disown them, then they in all likelihood would have nothing to come in for. The risk to pursuing officers goes up when you have a suspect that feels they have nothing to hold them.

[slivers86]

This is Canada. You can cut a guy's head off on a Greyhound bus, eat parts of him, and still be out on daytrips in less than three years.

yes, but a premeditated robbery/murder of your coworkers while in a position of trust will ensure that this 'thing' is considered a dangerous offender and likely would not see light until his late 60's/70's at the earliest.


Another good thing - 2 for 1 while ya wait has evaporated.... isn't that a good thing now :)

[CaberTosser]

I realize the tactic, and that it's usually encouraged by the police; I'd just like to see a seriously PO'd parent publically cutting the apron-strings in the media. It'd be refreshing. "I hope the cops shoot you in the face"

Instead we get parents with their no-fail educated offspring that are subjects of international manhunts who still coddle the little *****s.

[Yéil]

I realize the tactic, and that it's usually encouraged by the police; I'd just like to see a seriously PO'd parent publically cutting the apron-strings in the media. It'd be refreshing. "I hope the cops shoot you in the face"

Instead we get parents with their no-fail educated offspring that are subjects of international manhunts who still coddle the little *****s.

You do realize that the pleas from the parents/spouses are pretty much rehearsed/scripted by the police? Those press releases are carefully scripted to provide the trigger words that affect the suspect.

[slivers86]

You do realize that the pleas from the parents/spouses are pretty much rehearsed/scripted by the police? Those press releases are carefully scripted to provide the trigger words that affect the suspect.

Perhaps that is why its so hard for people to say what they say on camera... because they are not saying what they WANT to say.

[honda450]

Dang tragic news. Just learned of it. Flew into Fort Mac from the north. Feel for the familys involved. RIP

[260 Rem]

Could he have gotten a membership under an alias? In the 3 years that I've gotten mine I have never been asked for ID.
Giving a bogus name is certainly another possibility. We now have an approximate date when he was believed to be on site. I did speak to an EPS officer this morning. It is possible that as soon as the police feel they have "cause" to second our records, we will get a call.

[Ken07AOVette]

This guy needs a bullet. Hopefully the cowardly bastard puts it in himself and no one else.

Rip for the families, tragic terrible thing.

[gatorhunter]

This is Canada. You can cut a guy's head off on a Greyhound bus, eat parts of him, and still be out on day trips in less than three years.
Sick isn't it! And for what?
Need some Florida justice! Your officers shot the man 62 times! What do you have to say about that? Boys must've run out of bullets!

[gatorhunter]

I realize the tactic, and that it's usually encouraged by the police; I'd just like to see a seriously PO'd parent publically cutting the apron-strings in the media. It'd be refreshing. "I hope the cops shoot you in the face"

Instead we get parents with their no-fail educated offspring that are subjects of international manhunts who still coddle the little *****s.
Once he's apprehended for sure spew all the venom possible. But while he's on the loose, the last thing he needs to hear is a parent or someone close to him call him out on his cowardice, hoping that he dies in a blaze of bullets. That's when he'll convince himself to "show them!" Guarantee you that more innocent bystanders or police officers would get injured or die as a result.

He knows he's got enemies, it's friends that he needs if he's to come in without incident!

[bigbadjoe108]

I worked armored car for four years. To commit a crime like this honestly takes a huge amount of idiocy and a genuine lack of bravery and morals. The rough equivalent would be hearing of a guy shooting his hunting buddy while in the field and taking his truck and wallet. Once the crime is discovered there is about a 15 minute investigation and they pretty much know who did it and how.

The perp is a colossal idiot and complete coward. I hope and pray he is caught with no more innocents hurt.

Thoughts and prayers to the families and friends affected by this horrible tragedy.

[NUK SOO KOW]

I'm pretty sure they only carry the issued weapons while on duty, this being said, it would be difficult to conceal a shotgun while on duty in uniform. Never seen them with a shotgun before, would be interesting to find out though

They do have shotguns but are always in the vehicle, the only time they would come out really is when a armored vehicle broke down and an open transfer had to be made.

[Ken07AOVette]

I wonder how long it will be before there is a Facebook page asking for donations to pay for his defense fund, like they did for Bartley? :sign0176:

[Olderangler]

The armoured car robber was caught crossing into Washinton with 2 million dollars

[32-40win]

That sounds like some good news!!

[zero]

The armoured car robber was caught crossing into Washinton with 2 million dollars

source?

[pseelk]

Just saw it on CTV news.Useing his mothers plate on his truck.Apprehended with out a passport near Abbotsford B.C

[Kanonfodder]

source?

Yup arrested in BC near the border ....Global News

[Divert]

Global Edmonton is reporting he's captured aswell. Nothing found on the internet yet.

[zero]

http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120616/EDM_baumgartnercaught_120616/20120616/?hub=EdmontonHome its over


Updated: Sat Jun. 16 2012 18:51:59

Linda Hoang, ctvedmonton.ca

Sources tell CTV News University of Alberta shooting suspect Travis Baumgartner was apprehended Saturday night at the Lynden, WA border crossing near Abbotsford, BC.

Sources say Baumgartner was using his mother's licence plate and had no passport.

Baumgartner is an armoured guard suspected to have shot and killed three of his armoured guard colleagues and put a fourth guard in hospital with life-threatening injuries.

Canada-wide warrants had been issued for Baumgartner's arrest.

He faces three counts of first-degree murder and one count of attempted murder.

More to come…

[Rackmastr]

Just saw it on CTV news.Useing his mothers plate on his truck.Apprehended with out a passport near Abbotsford B.C

Jeez thats some 'above average intelligence' at play eh??? :sHa_sarcasticlol:

What a tool. Glad he was caught and good job to everyone involved with intel, lookouts, liasons between agencies, etc. on the successful capture.

[Olderangler]

source?

Source was a friend in Customs

[greylynx]

It makes you wonder what kind of backgroud this yokel comes from.

I hope some juicy dirt journalist digs up some story.

[zero]

Source was a friend in Customs

cool, just recently canceled cable so all i have is the web and netflix now, so I wondered if it was a website you heard it on.

[CaberTosser]

I figured he'd head to the States, and am not at all surprised he got caught at the border. If that boy hadn't been across before, he sure got an awakening as to how much scrutiny and security they have there. I'll assume he saw a good few AR-15 and Sig/Glock/S&W muzzles from the end that says "Smile, wait for flash"

Glad he's caught, sad he's still alive; even more sad of the absolutely needless horrible suffering he caused to so many.

[pseelk]

Jeez thats some 'above average intelligence' at play eh??? :sHa_sarcasticlol:

What a tool. Glad he was caught and good job to everyone involved with intel, lookouts, liasons between agencies, etc. on the successful capture.

Yeah no kidding.The guy was a real planner.Thank god hes so dumb!

[zero]

Jeez thats some 'above average intelligence' at play eh??? :sHa_sarcasticlol:

What a tool. Glad he was caught and good job to everyone involved with intel, lookouts, liasons between agencies, etc. on the successful capture.

you never know what people are going to do, case and point- he WAS a tool, so now we know he was just another stupid criminal. who would even go to a border crossing with stolen plates no passport and a face plastered all over the N/A continent...

[32-40win]

It's posted on Google news now.

[guywiththemule]

Jeez thats some 'above average intelligence' at play eh??? :sHa_sarcasticlol:

What a tool. Glad he was caught and good job to everyone involved with intel, lookouts, liasons between agencies, etc. on the successful capture.

Some smart and ballze peice of sh*t there:sHa_sarcasticlol:. He better get ready to be the favorite boy toy of Mr Big and Dumb inside lockup or remand...

[CaberTosser]

you never know what people are going to do, case and point- he WAS a tool, so now we know he was just another stupid criminal. who would even go to a border crossing with stolen plates no passport and a face plastered all over the N/A continent...

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say someone who's extraordinarily dumb. Did he not catch the news last week of how the fugitive Magnotta was caught halfway across the world partly because he had lots of pictures of himself online, and most of the developed world was aware of him?

I have relatives in Saskatchewan whose sizeable ranch borders the US of A. Sometimes they'll briefly dip into the States to fetch wayward cattle who found damaged fence sections. It's places like that where a stupid person wouldn't think to cross. A stooge like Baumgartner for instance.

If by some freakish chance he got into the States, he'd probably have gone to a bank to deposit his millions (or whatever) in crisp Canadian cash all at once at the same branch, using his real Alberta drivers licence as ID, because he's a planner:sHa_sarcasticlol:

[Bear00]

Jeez thats some 'above average intelligence' at play eh??? :sHa_sarcasticlol:

What a tool. Glad he was caught and good job to everyone involved with intel, lookouts, liasons between agencies, etc. on the successful capture.

LOL yup, exactly what I was thinking.

[NSRfishing]

there is lots of lakes where you could cross if you wanted

[CaberTosser]

Some smart and ballze peice of sh*t there:sHa_sarcasticlol:. He better get ready to be the favorite boy toy of Mr Big and Dumb inside lockup or remand...

He will be Mr Big and Dumb in lock-up, the dude's 6'4". My hopes are that he's not good at unarmed combat against multiple horny assailants though. Like Tim Robbins character 'Andy Dufresne' in Shawshank Redemption, but without the happy ending (for him at least, :lol:)

[Mutter87]

He will be Mr Big and Dumb in lock-up, the dude's 6'4". My hopes are that he's not good at unarmed combat against multiple horny assailants though. Like Tim Robbins character 'Andy Dufresne' in Shawshank Redemption, but without the happy ending (for him at least, :lol:)

The guy killed 4 armed guards, Why is everyone under the assumption he is going to get raped in prison or even have a tough time? People who call the cops, Child Molesters, and Rapists have to worry, Not this guy. Also, people don't really get raped in jails here, That is predominantly an American thing.

[bb356]

Glad the dumb ass is caught so nobody else has to worry about what fool thing he may do next !!!

[Bear00]

The guy killed 4 armed guards, Why is everyone under the assumption he is going to get raped in prison or even have a tough time? People who call the cops, Child Molesters, and Rapists have to worry, Not this guy. Also, people don't really get raped in jails here, That is predominantly an American thing.

that is so false its crazy..if you think that doesnt happen in Jails in Canada then your out to lunch. A guy I went to school with is in jail, I speak to his mother once in a while, 2 years ago some guys jumped him in the bathroom, broke his jaw and raped him. This was in Canada.

[Mutter87]

that is so false its crazy..if you think that doesnt happen in Jails in Canada then your out to lunch. A guy I went to school with is in jail, I speak to his mother once in a while, 2 years ago some guys jumped him in the bathroom, broke his jaw and raped him. This was in Canada.

I never said it didn't happen, I said it rarely happens, Which is true. I wish the guy would of put up a fight and got shot, Would of saved a bunch of crap down the line.

[Big Racks]

Real brain child this one. He drove past some of the easiest places to cross the border undetected just to cross at one of the busiest border crossings in western Canada. Next to Peace Arch and the truck crossing up the road from it, Aldergrove is the most heavily travelled. The mountains and valleys south and east of Chilliwack are smugglers grounds. When I worked in YXX, US would regularly have UH-60's cruising back and forth along the border right up into the mountains, but heavily forested valleys make for some easy hiding places.

As stupid as he is, it's truly a shame he managed to figure out how to pull a trigger.

[hal53]

So....I guess his mom with the "tearful" plea to turn himself in , forgot to mention tht he switched license plates?????......Sad...really sad....he's 22 years old a security guard (?) ...he is too f****g stupid to know that his name is plastered all over North America??, and YES u, need a passport to cross the line, If you have your Mommy's plates on your truck to fool everybody, you are a dumb ass!!! Why Oh Why...do you need a license to get married , but not one to create an dickwad like this!!!???? Pass an IQ text prior to conception!!!....

[1899b]

You people are suprised about his intelligence and life skills at 21 or 22?? Some of you don't get out too much or are very gulliable, naive or just give this age group too much credit. Nowadays 21 or 22 is 16 or 17 20 to 30 years ago. Kids are coddled and spoonfed nowadays. how many 25 year olds living at home these days?? The majority of 18-22 year olds I have had to work with in the last ten years I wouldn't let cross the street alone. This guy had the smarts of most people his age nowadays. Frig, my parents had a mortgage and were raising a family at 17 and 19 years of age respectively.

[Ken07AOVette]

You people are suprised about his intelligence and life skills at 21 or 22?? Some of you don't get out too much or are very gulliable, naive or just give this age group too much credit. Nowadays 21 or 22 is 16 or 17 20 to 30 years ago. Kids are coddled and spoonfed nowadays. how many 25 year olds living at home these days?? The majority of 18-22 year olds I have had to work with in the last ten years I wouldn't let cross the street alone. This guy had the smarts of most people his age nowadays. Frig, my parents had a mortgage and were raising a family at 17 and 19 years of age respectively.

Your mother was pregnant at 17 or earlier???

Was this in the 50's?

[1899b]

It was in the 70's and they are having there 40th wedding anniversary next month. That is neither here nor their. My point being is that a 21 or 22 year shouldn't be expected to know much in todays spoonfed child coddling society.....

[Ken07AOVette]

It was in the 70's and they are having there 40th wedding anniversary next month. That is neither here nor their. My point being is that a 21 or 22 year shouldn't be expected to know much in todays spoonfed child coddling society.....

Happy anniversary next month.

[gmcmax05]

So....I guess his mom with the "tearful" plea to turn himself in , forgot to mention tht he switched license plates?????......Sad...really sad....he's 22 years old a security guard (?) ...he is too f****g stupid to know that his name is plastered all over North America??, and YES u, need a passport to cross the line, If you have your Mommy's plates on your truck to fool everybody, you are a dumb ass!!! Why Oh Why...do you need a license to get married , but not one to create an dickwad like this!!!???? Pass an IQ text prior to conception!!!....

It was mentioned in a story yesterday that police said he may have switched plates.

[Big Racks]

You people are suprised about his intelligence and life skills at 21 or 22?? Some of you don't get out too much or are very gulliable, naive or just give this age group too much credit. Nowadays 21 or 22 is 16 or 17 20 to 30 years ago. Kids are coddled and spoonfed nowadays. how many 25 year olds living at home these days?? The majority of 18-22 year olds I have had to work with in the last ten years I wouldn't let cross the street alone. This guy had the smarts of most people his age nowadays. Frig, my parents had a mortgage and were raising a family at 17 and 19 years of age respectively.

Lol - very true. I had to shake my head at a fellow I work with yesterday. He says, so my son called a couple days ago and his car had broke down. He needed to be picked up and then borrowed the family's second car to get to/from work for the last couple of days. THEN, the day before yesterday his other son had called and said HIS car was broken down down in his drive-way and wouldn't start - could he borrow the Corolla (2nd vehicle). My co-worker said, well your brother has it right now so you guys will have to work something out - meanwhile he and his wife are down to one vehicle and he's complaining that he has to go home from work, pick up his wife, and drive her to the grocery store.

I ask him how old his boys are (I've already got an inkling but wasn't sure). 26 and 28 YEARS OLD!!! I said, if I had ever called my old man, even at 19 or 20, and said my car was broke down the reply I would have gotten would have been "So?". Coddling by parents, grown men running to parents to help them out of the slightest of life's ongoing issues - this generation (sorry to generalize, I know it isn't all of you) isn't learning to deal with problems and how to solve them. Need easy money and mom has quit giving it to you or doesn't have it anymore? Let's steal it. Granted this guy obviously has some other issues, considering he killed 3 co-workers, but the general easy way out is still there. Crazy world.

[boounga]

So this guy thought no flags would raise on his warrant, wrong license plate tied to the vehicle and no passport.

I thought he'd at least bury himself into the bush in BC for a month or two before surfacing LOL

Gotta be the dumbest **** I've ever heard of

[1899b]

My folks had responsibilities and fulfilled them and passed that same mindset on to myself and brother. Just sad that young adults don't have a work ethic or sense of responsibilities nowadays. This leads to very poor life skills oh holier than thou Hal.

[Rocky7]

I agree about the lack of maturity, responsibility and work ethic in a large percentage of modern young "adults"; but not sure how that plays into a psycho. We've always had psychos, even in the 60's or 70's........

It will be fun now to watch how the Gun Zombies try to leverage this one into another anti-gun event. It's going to a tough spin.

[blueskys]

1899 has a good point, I left home at 17, married at 22 and bought my first house at 23. Kicked the kids out when they turned 18. Raised 6. All are doing well. Some of my friends still have 30 something duds living in the basement.

This Baumgartner dude sounds like a real piece of work, I would be surprised if he could tie his own shoes.

[jackrabbit000]

So this guy thought no flags would raise on his warrant, wrong license plate tied to the vehicle and no passport.

I thought he'd at least bury himself into the bush in BC for a month or two before surfacing LOL

Gotta be the dumbest **** I've ever heard of

Smartest thing he could have done was shoot himself. He's f***ed now. Dumb ass trying to cross the border, how stupid is that.

[skidderman]

He will go to jail, get free glasses, free dental, free food, free prescription drugs, no responsibilities, no taxes and even a free education if he wants it. In three years plus or minus he may even get out on day parole. He will likely like it so much that if he ever does get out, he will want back in. And who will pay for this? They just built a new $600 million dollar jail in north Edmonton for the poor souls. If that doesn't make you mad, nothing will.

[TreeGuy]

Too much chatter and lack of focus over the nine pages of this thread...



Prayers for the fallen and those left behind over such a senseless act. :(

[Big Racks]

Too much chatter and lack of focus over the nine pages of this thread...



Prayers for the fallen and those left behind over such a senseless act. :(

Part 2: Agree 100%

Part 1: Agree to disagree

This sort of horrific act will always generate at least 4 things on a thread. Shared grief, shared sympathy, shared outrage and, as demonstrated by much of the "chatter", shared confusion. People will tend to voice questions and opinions about the act, which will in turn lead to discussion (with the occasional sidetrack). As long as it doesn't stray into disrespecting the deceased or their loved ones I figure it's a healthy avenue to discuss and vent on the situation.

[brownbomber]

since we're way off topic it would be pretty hard for a 22 year old kid to have a mortgage in this day and age without some help.

just the down payment of 20 percent on 250,000 would get you something okay in the area where i live is 50,000 bucks

even though some places will take 5 percent or 10 percent i don't think many are gonna take that from a 22 year old.

so that means putting away something like 1000 bucks a month for 4 years to have that 50k down, that's unless mommy and daddy helped out.

so even say the kid takes home a decent 3500 a month after 1000 bucks rent, 500 bucks for vehicle payment and insurance, food 400 or so, utilities and cell phone say 300 bucks in a apartment, so i guess you could if the kid doesn't do much for frivolous spending.

myself i wasn't nearly mature enough to get that kinda loan at that age, i made quite a bit of money but i blew most of it, but i enjoyed it lots.

just sayin not that easy to get established on your own.

[TreeGuy]

Part 2: Agree 100%

Part 1: Agree to disagree

This sort of horrific act will always generate at least 4 things on a thread. Shared grief, shared sympathy, shared outrage and, as demonstrated by much of the "chatter", shared confusion. People will tend to voice questions and opinions about the act, which will in turn lead to discussion (with the occasional sidetrack). As long as it doesn't stray into disrespecting the deceased or their loved ones I figure it's a healthy avenue to discuss and vent on the situation.

I know.

However, four folks are dead and four families are changed forever.

As of this posting, it's now officially Father's Day, and it'll be the worst day ever for alot of good people.

I could care less about what they were 'packing'.

Does it really matter?

[Big Racks]

I know.

However, four folks are dead and four families are changed forever.

As of this posting, it's now officially Father's Day, and it'll be the worst day ever for alot of good people.

I could care less about what they were 'packing'.

Does it really matter?

Very true. In all honesty, I haven't read all 9 pages of the thread so probably shouldn't be commenting on what may or may not be appropriate. I was basing more on what I had managed to wade through. I've also been working so much I really haven't been following the story much as I wasn't even aware the 4th victim had passed away.

As you said, Father's Day, let alone any other day, will never be the same for five families. Yes, five. As much as I feel nothing but disgust and contempt for the mental midgit and think a bullet would be a wasted expenditure when a nail gun would suffice, I also can't imagine the torture I would feel if 10 years from now, when my daughter was his age, I woke up one morning to find out she had been involved in something like this. The four families of the victims are obviously in their own private he!l right now, and I can't begin to imagine their pain. Sad day indeed.

[1899b]

Too much chatter and lack of focus over the nine pages of this thread...



Prayers for the fallen and those left behind over such a senseless act. :(



I whole heartedly agree.