Cadomin Rams

[charlie]

Hey guys,

I'm thinking of looking for a ram this coming season and wondering what your guy's opinions, experiences, and thoughts are on the area between the mine and the park (head of South Drinnan Creek, head of Sphinx Creek). Thinking of taking some horses up there and pitching a wall tent in august or september.

Thanks a Lot,

-Charlie

[bdub]

It's like the rest of the mine boundary hunting. Just hope one wanders off or you catch one off somewhere on opening day. If you are hunting the opening be prepared for lots pressure. The pressure there was something I was really surprised at, I had heard it was bad but it really is heavy. Think 3guys on every ridge, knob, bowl type thing. After the open, the sheep bail out for the park or the mine. IMO the area is a waste of time for an enjoyable classic type sheep hunt, but that being said you can get lucky early or late. I'll talk to you about it if you want to pm me.

[charlie]

Hey,

Thanks for the info bdub, I wouldprivate message you but i dont know how lol, your going to have to pm me haha. I would love to talk about this particular area and sheep hunting.

Thanks,

-Charlie

[buffalohunterchalsie]

Ya good luck. I've hunted that area half a dozen times always in the earlier part of the season. There's a lot of pressure due to easy access. But every yr a few good ones come out of there .

[Marko]

It's a zoo! And you have to be very cautious if you do see a ram, because guys will be shooting over your head, to get it for themselves. Have heard more then one story about it! Head on a swivel!
Good luck
Mark

[packhuntr]

Thats not hunting by the sound of it, it sure isnt sheep hunting. How would a guy deal with the aftermath of what u describe Marko. I couldnt calculate it.

[Ronji]

I have been there as well. Keep your head on a swivel, as there often somebody comes in behind you.

[Grizzly Adams]

It's a zoo! And you have to be very cautious if you do see a ram, because guys will be shooting over your head, to get it for themselves. Have heard more then one story about it! Head on a swivel!
Good luck
Mark

x2. Bumper to bumper traffic on the road, day before opening, when I did my hunt up there. :D

Grizz

[gevarm guy]

So is there record book rams still in the area, or has the bigger ones all been shot out?

[bdub]

So is there record book rams still in the area, or has the bigger ones all been shot out?


There are lots of rams on the mine site and one or two big ones left.:) Most of the sheep live on the mine site and many have lived their entire life without setting a foot off of the mine boundary. If you think about it from the sheeps perspective they can either scratch a living out of the rocky sub alpine off of the mine or graze in an artificial hay pasture living life easy on the mine. Cadomin is a fairly unique situation. Many of the book rams are shot on late season draw tags or ministers tags, when rams wander off the mine during the rut in November. Some are taken in the first day or so but as stated lots of pressure. Some are poached off the mine on occasion. I think a couple idiots a year try it and get busted and probably a few more get away with it but who knows.

[07icanam]

I killed a ram there in 07, last week of the season and not a lot of pressure. There was little snow, we stayed at the provincial campground and rode in on horses from there. Caught a band of rams on the move between ranges and the rest is history. I was unable to retrieve the ram on the Saturday due to darkness, went in the following day and got my ram. Back at camp we spoke to a gentleman that had been hunting and staying there for over 30 days and had not seen one ram outside the mine. I have hunted there prior to this trip but we were only on our third day of that trip. Right place at the right time is the case in alot of circumstances when sheep hunting.

[charlie]

heres a ram that was shootable:)

[Alberta Bigbore]

Nice... you seen him on the weekend ?

[pikeslayer22]

By shoot able do you mean off the mine boundaries?

[charlie]

yeppers:)

[thegunman]

Wow thats a nice sheep.

[Stonegoat]

I'm a sheep hunter (Stones) and what has been described is NOT sheep hunting.

[charlie]

how do you mean this is not sheep hunting?

[The Spruce]

Still have to climb to the top of a mountian shoot, debone, and pack out...sounds like sheep hunting to me.:fighting0030:

[Stonegoat]

how do you mean this is not sheep hunting?

Hmm. Staking out a small piece of ground, shoulder-to-shoulder with other hunters waiting for a ram to make a mistake and wander off of the mine property, hoping to get a shot before someone else does may be sheep hunting, but not the kind I'm interested in.

Horses, blisters, and hours glassing rams without fear of some yahoo shooting over my shoulder is my idea of sheep hunting.

[charlie]

this guy was actually quite a ways away from the mine, I was actualy really suprised. he was on a side hill in a basin with 3 other rams, took me 2 days to go in and out.

[packhuntr]

how do you mean this is not sheep hunting?

I think he means, if you read what is being described above there is no possible way sheep hunters would call that a sheep hunt. Im not a sheep/high altitude hunter by sence of the words by any stretch of the imagination and i dont think i could dream of calling this described stuff sheep hunting. I dont think anyone would take anything away from a guy that takes a ram in those circumstances, but it sure aint the type of situation any high altitude or flat land persuitist would waste time in expecting results. Its just not cool

[Stonegoat]

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/goatcamp/bigram-1.jpg
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/goatcamp/P1010400.jpg

Both these rams involed 14 day trips.

[charlie]

That's hell of a stone sheep, 42 incher? congrats on the rams

[Speckle55]

Cadomin = Canned hunting:(

David:)

[Stonegoat]

this guy was actually quite a ways away from the mine, I was actualy really suprised. he was on a side hill in a basin with 3 other rams, took me 2 days to go in and out.

I definitely don't want to take anything away from anyone who gets a ram, and it sounds like your ram was hard-won. The prior description of hunting around the mines, though, didn't sound much like what you describe.

[BackPackHunter]

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/goatcamp/bigram-1.jpg
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc215/goatcamp/P1010400.jpg

Both these rams involed 14 day trips.

nice rams...i love spending weeks in the mountain living out of my back pack
to bad guiding doesn't pay as good as Oil.

[ksteed17]

Cadomin = Canned hunting:(

David:)

Clearly you've never been there. That comment equals total ignorance.

[pikeslayer22]

Clearly you've never been there. That comment equals total ignorance.
A little sarcasm I think! Pretty sure he knows the area very well

[Alberta Bigbore]

Clearly you've never been there. That comment equals total ignorance.

he doesnt live far from it....

[ksteed17]

he doesnt live far from it....

My bad. Tongue in cheek lost on me.

[charlie]

Well if you guys figuere this isnt the best place what do you guys figuere is? I had lots of places in mind, Cadomin Country, Nordegg Country, and Willmore Country. I went to nordegg the weekend before I went to Cadomin and dident see any sign, I went up the coral creek valley, the willmore seems like really tough country and you need to go in quite aways to find rams from what I hear. and I went up a certain creek to a certain basin:) and found that ram I took a photo of. so I figuered since I spotted rams this was the spot. but what do you guys figuere? what are your places to hunt sheep?

[echo]

Cadomin = Canned hunting:(

David:)

and that is why evryone shoots a book sheep when they hunt there right ?

[pikeslayer22]

Well if you guys figuere this isnt the best place what do you guys figuere is? I had lots of places in mind, Cadomin Country, Nordegg Country, and Willmore Country. I went to nordegg the weekend before I went to Cadomin and dident see any sign, I went up the coral creek valley, the willmore seems like really tough country and you need to go in quite aways to find rams from what I hear. and I went up a certain creek to a certain basin:) and found that ram I took a photo of. so I figuered since I spotted rams this was the spot. but what do you guys figuere? what are your places to hunt sheep?
Aside from the numbers of hunters and the pressure it recieves the access would be another problem. Get caught off the designated trails while crossing the mine and run the chance of tresspasing charges or escorted out. Not to mention shooting a Ram in the mine boundarie that are not all that all well marked would get you into a hole heap of trouble!

[Speckle55]

and that is why evryone shoots a book sheep when they hunt there right ?

1067 sheep =250 rams = man made = pet with one hand shoot with other = Slaughter Hill behind mine by Hot Rocks = chase sheep off minesite for the rich to shoot = and its called fair chase = people charged most years= Horn Rot= Selenium issues = Nature unbalanced = Canned Hunting


the number of sheep harvested in the last 20 years hasn,t changed much

the number taken is low in Cadomin .. more die of issue's like age/predatation/etc

Book Rams were taken before mine was there and into mine before numbers started to bunch up in 438 .. any where south of Athabasca River has better horns

what happens in Cadomin should stay in Cadomin.. its not Wild Sheep Hunting:thinking-006:

David:)

[ww2269]

True enough Dave, but i still wouldn't call it "canned"

[BackPackHunter]

and that is why evryone shoots a book sheep when they hunt there right ?

i think there is book Rams in every zone
but they dont get that big by being stupid

[walking buffalo]

1067 sheep =250 rams = man made = pet with one hand shoot with other = Slaughter Hill behind mine by Hot Rocks = chase sheep off minesite for the rich to shoot = and its called fair chase = people charged most years= Horn Rot= Selenium issues = Nature unbalanced = Canned Hunting


the number of sheep harvested in the last 20 years hasn,t changed much

the number taken is low in Cadomin .. more die of issue's like age/predatation/etc

Book Rams were taken before mine was there and into mine before numbers started to bunch up in 438 .. any where south of Athabasca River has better horns

what happens in Cadomin should stay in Cadomin.. its not Wild Sheep Hunting:thinking-006:

David:)


According to the local F&W officer, the historical number of Rams harvested in this area was greater before the existance of the mine.

:thinking-006:

[Ultimate Predator]

Killed a ram with my bow 8 years ago been wanting another geeeze should go to cadomin canned hunt right on never thought of that CANNED HUNT GIVE YOUR HEAD A SHAKE AND WAKE UP!!!!!

[echo]

i think there is book Rams in every zone
but they dont get that big by being stupid

i think most missed the sarcasim in my text...i have hunted there many times i think it anything but a canned hunt .

[Speckle55]

:thinking-006:

10 sq miles of disturbed land
5hr max to walk across
1067 sheep in fall
250 rams
no fear of humans
very seldom leave minesite
feed is not normal for area(artifical or baiting)
106 sheep per sq mile

some high fence game farms in Texas don't have these numbers or small area

show me where in the wild where you have these numbers of Rams per sq mile

you guys called it what you want

roflmao

David:)

[Ultimate Predator]

Speckal55 weres your ram pic get your butt up there kill a ram this year if its so easy

[Nait Hadya]

eyewitness to a ram being harassed off the mine site and shot

?

[Speckle55]

hey guys i live here i worked there when i was 18 as a blaster at CRC 1973 .. there was 23 sheep on the hot rocks and then they went to the Gregg Tower area for a few days and back .. so yes i knew them all by name and there was only a couple of shooter Rams every so often.. just like everywhere else in the Province.. i have live in Hinton and hunted 438 for 40 years ..

wow name calling lmao check out my pic's on here.. yep i am a looser only because of your name calling;;;;

This is what Dr Val Giest said about Cadomin when i e-mail him


Thanks, David for the letter and figures. Looks like a mess is on hand. I hope something can be done to get the sheep population down. it's going to crash otherwise anyway. That horn rot is one ugly mystery.



Best regards, Val Geist

here is the names of the Professors I talk to in the U of Sask about these issues(e-mail's sent) and they could not believe that SRD Alberta would allow these pile up of animals to happen...Trent Bollinger and Ted Leighton and one Lady too..

their Dept wrote a study on the effects of artificial feeding and baiting of animals it is on www.CWD-Info.org .. and talks about why you should not have animals bunch up(now 1067 sheep 400 elk 200 mule deer = 170 per square mile) and also has a few study's about how the predator pile up will occur too! and the negative effects of that.. when you put Nature out of Balance the effects can be devastating to other species /plants/things.. and then the cost of putting things back to normal is unbelievable .. Google Rocky Mountain National Park elk kill and read reports on Damage to the ecology because of to many animals and the cost to get back to normal (6 million) .. the numbers of elk here on mine site per square mile is higher than there .... here 400 elk =40 psm.. use to be 23 elk in Cadomin winter now herds of 150 to +200 this year in town.. same as Estes Park just outside Rocky Mountain National Park USA.. I will be asking these people(David Donald fisheries Bio etc) about their opinions on Selenium and the effects and other issues related ..Keeping you informed.. David

you guys should go to Sask they have a Big Horn Sheep hunt that you would like... you don,t even have to get out of your truck

Most of us hunters are conservationist too but i understand not all so while i try to keep informing .. some don,t understand anything about the word

Food for Thought

David:)

[Speckle55]

I sat in on a Selenium panel put on by Teck Coal in 2011/2012 and was told that is doesn,t kill animals which i new better but thanks anyway Stella

here is what happen at a mine(closed in 1989) in the states that was finished like Gregg and CRC (both have Selenium in ground)

sad for the tame sheep hey and cattle at another :thinking-006:

Food for Thought

David:)



By The Associated Press Friday, October 12, 2012
At least 95 domestic sheep died after grazing inside a mothballed Monsanto Co. mine in southeastern Idaho, adding to the list of animal fatalities over the last two decades in the region's rich but contaminated phosphate country.

Monsanto, which makes Roundup-brand herbicide from the phosphate it digs up in Idaho, announced the sheep deaths Friday afternoon.

Company spokesman Trent Clark says the sheep died after eating plants in the Henry Mine, an open pit where mining stopped in 1989 but that remains the subject of Environmental Protection Agency cleanup oversight. A federal lab at Utah State University confirmed the sheep likely died after ingesting western aster, which accumulates selenium from contaminated soil.

Clark says a herder entered the pit with 1,200 sheep earlier this week without permission. According to Monsanto, the herder noticed several getting sick and moved them, but by then it was too late for 95 animals.

"We have already initiated preventative actions, including more clearly marked signage on fences and gates, and locked gates where appropriate," the company said. "In addition, we will continue working with the rangeland plant specialists as part of a program of aster identification and control. Based on these remedies and conversations with the owner about best grazing practices in the future, needless losses of this kind will be avoided."

Robert Ball, an owner of the Ball Brother's Sheep Company whose animals died, didn't return a phone call seeking comment.

Selenium is unearthed with phosphate in Idaho's sparsely populated high country just southwest of Yellowstone National Park.
High concentrations of the element can be dangerous or deadly.

In 2009, for instance, eighteen cattle died near Idaho's defunct Lanes Creek Mine where mineral rights were controlled by fertilizer-maker J.R. Simplot Co. _ also after eating contaminated aster.

The health concerns extend beyond grazing animals.

Earlier this year, research commissioned by the J.R. Simplot Co. indicated a link between significant deformities in trout and selenium emitted from one of its Idaho phosphate mining operations. Some of the deformities included fish with two heads.

Monsanto's Henry Mine operated for about 20 years before it was shuttered.

Three years ago, the St. Louis-based company signed an agreement with the EPA over a plan to investigate pollution at the site and two others and craft a comprehensive plan to remedy potentially harmful contamination.

At the time, EPA officials said that pact would provide a clearer picture of health risks to people, livestock and wildlife.

The sheep deaths announced Friday mark the first time Monsanto has acknowledged the deaths of animals at one of its mining sites.

An environmental group, the Greater Yellowstone Coalition, has challenged mining projects _ including Monsanto's operations. It continues to mine in the region, and is developing a big new mine nearby to supply factories that make Roundup.

A GYC representative in Idaho Falls didn't immediately return a phone call on Friday on the latest sheep deaths.

[Speckle55]

Lol, ya 'speckal' ha ha, everybody stay 'loose' now, dont need anyone to 'lose' any privileges here, man I hate loosers....I think? What is a looser anyhow? Slang for archer maybe? ;) Hey speckal u looser...I like your style :)

hey Stinky Coyote if you need more reading and understanding of what is happening out here i have lots more detailed science

Un-inform people make poor choices

its funny how people hide behind their names on here and make statements that are funny .. i don't hide

Food for Thought

Scientific and Analytical Hunter and Angler
David:)

[Speckle55]

Stinky here is just alittle more reading

enjoy

David:)


Posted: 12/11/2007 11:28:26 AM MST
December 12, 2007 12:5 AM GMTUpdated: 12/11/2007 05:05:11 PM MST
By Steve Lipsher
The Denver Post
denverpost.com








The cow elk at left wears a radio collar in 2002 as part of a birth-control study of the growing elk population at Rocky Mountain National Park. (Post / John Epperson)
Sharpshooters using silencers will kill as many 200 elk a year in Rocky Mountain National Park as part of a new population-management program unveiled today. The lethal reductions, along with fencing and "aversive techniques" such as moving herds with dogs and blank ammunition, are part of a $6 million, 20-year plan to bring down the unnaturally high number of elk in the park and restore native plants.
"In the absence of the natural predators here, we have to replicate what they would do for us," said Superintendent Vaughn Baker. "We are mandated to maintain natural process here in Rocky, and under current conditions, we're not doing that. And we need to step in, I guess, and help make that happen."

Hunting was never allowed




Elk Plan
•Discuss the plan to cull the Rocky Mountain N ational Park elk herd via sharpshooters with silencers and other methods.
in the park, which was established in 1915. In 1929, Congress prohibited hunting within the park boundary. Culling, by agency staff, took place in the park from 1945 to 1968.
The highly visible elk population, estimated to reach more than 3,100 animals at times, is one of the park's main attractions for tourists, but the herds tend to remain in winter range throughout the year and take a heavy toll on the native willows and forbs.

The final plan, four years in the works, is intended to level the population at 1,600 to 2,100 animals, said biologist Therese Johnson, and culling typically will be performed early in the morning in the winter.

"One of our goals in the plan is to maintain the 'viewability' of the elk," she said. "We expect there will be some behavior changes in the elk, but we still expect high numbers."

Hunters sanctioned by the National Park Service will perform the culling, and the meat will be distributed to Indian tribes and nonprofit organizations after it has been tested for chronic-wasting disease.




Read more: Elk to be shot in RMNP - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_7692285#ixzz2LTO5AHgE
Read The Denver Post's Terms of Use of its content: http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse

[Speckle55]

was it last year the Rams died off at Cadomin someone said ? about 40 or so

Food for Thought

David:)

[echo]

was it last year the Rams died off at Cadomin someone said ? about 40 or so

Food for Thought

David:)

True,but so did the antelope,mule deer ,whitetail deer and alot of other animals in the province it was a bad year province wide.

[Simpatico Outdoors]

I have been heading out to Cadomin for 30 yrs now and just 4 years ago finally was able to purchase a great cottage property along the river! I have been waiting all long time to start hunting in this area for elk, sheep and deer and it has all been coming together. I personally think the area is huge (considering the active mining) and affords a lot of different areas and access to get in to the back country.
Something i have been wondering has been about the quality of the fishing. The Mclead, Gregg & Tribs used to be loaded with fish and it was no problem cathcing 100plus a day and keeping 15 or 20 for some meals. Now my understanding is; back then the angling pop was double what it is now. On the flip side of this now the angling pop is down, no possession in all creeks (or closed 100%) and it is pretty difficult to pull out decent numbers of fish.

So are the fish also affected by the selnium. My understanding is the coal does not affect the water quality as it is considered inert.

Any addtional thoughts or insight to this would be much appreciated. Does anyone understand my point?

Love Cadomin but trying to get my head wrapped around things.

[Speckle55]

Yes Selenuim affects fish and its not political yet but it should be ... in Idaho The Western Yellowstone Cutthroats have been wiped out of areas

if you want i can post some info on it as it was listed in reports (quote below)


Earlier this year, research commissioned by the J.R. Simplot Co. indicated a link between significant deformities in trout and selenium emitted from one of its Idaho phosphate mining operations. Some of the deformities included fish with two heads.


i do understand your question and point:scared0018:

there is still some issue with mines in BC and here that have higher than normal levels of selenium and in one mine the water coming out is put through a clairifier like i used to operate in the pulp mill/water treatment here and it will take the heavy metals out of the creek and purify the water .. its in its experimental stage as it was one of the recommendations from the Selenium Panel i sat in on in 2011/2012

if you want the latest science just ask me

They must have a containment team like jrs trying to control media on this issue ;;;; .. roflmao


The sheep deaths announced Friday mark the first time Monsanto has acknowledged the deaths of animals at one of its mining sites.
hope this answers some of your question

David:)



I have been heading out to Cadomin for 30 yrs now and just 4 years ago finally was able to purchase a great cottage property along the river! I have been waiting all long time to start hunting in this area for elk, sheep and deer and it has all been coming together. I personally think the area is huge (considering the active mining) and affords a lot of different areas and access to get in to the back country.
Something i have been wondering has been about the quality of the fishing. The Mclead, Gregg & Tribs used to be loaded with fish and it was no problem cathcing 100plus a day and keeping 15 or 20 for some meals. Now my understanding is; back then the angling pop was double what it is now. On the flip side of this now the angling pop is down, no possession in all creeks (or closed 100%) and it is pretty difficult to pull out decent numbers of fish.

So are the fish also affected by the selnium. My understanding is the coal does not affect the water quality as it is considered inert.

Any addtional thoughts or insight to this would be much appreciated. Does anyone understand my point?

Love Cadomin but trying to get my head wrapped around things.

[maskuta]

The whole area and feed there isn't natural. Quite a mess now that no one seems prepared to deal with. What is going to happen at the old Obed mine site??? Figure out the mess after you add in the Coalspur Vista Project??? Wake up hunters and fishermen. We are losing more and more and more here.

[Bushrat]

Earlier this year, research commissioned by the J.R. Simplot Co. indicated a link between significant deformities in trout and selenium emitted from one of its Idaho phosphate mining operations. Some of the deformities included fish with two heads.




Had an uncle who worked for fisheries in nova Scotia, they ran a hatchery there that had the purest water, no contamination, no chemicals, Ideal conditions for rearing trout. Constantly monitered. They had big glass jars full of trout in formaldihide with all sorts of deformities, double fins, tails, heads, four eyes, two mouths, organs on the outside of their bodies, all sorts of weird stuff. You have to take with a grain of salt reports of deformed fish always meaning some toxic chemical has caused it. Deformities are quite common with fish in the wild, those fish just don't survive long in a natural environment so we rarely see them. The agenda of the group making the study add some media spin you can make a mountain of controversy out of something that is quite normal.

[walking buffalo]

It's pretty sad to see "Outdoorsmen" bashing Speckle over industrial contamination issues.


Selinium poisoning is a huge concern within industry and the government, for both wildlife and human health.

Cadomin sheep are being kept at this artificially high level for a couple of main reasons.

First, they have become "pets" to some researchers, who do not like the idea of them being shot. Proposed re-integration of the mine site back to full public access is swaying away from the original promise to include hunting as was allowed in the past. The development of a non-hunting Park is high on some agendas.

Second, and most concerning, the sheep are being used as an experiment. The Sheep, Harlequin Ducks, and Bull Trout have been extensively monitored for effects of selinium. In order to fully understand the consequences of open pit coal mining in the Alberta Rockies on wildlife, the experiment will continue, even if the Sheep become sick from pollution or disease.

Big Horned Canaries in a Coalmine....

[bdub]

X2 I was starting to think I was on the wrong site. David probably knows more about the crap going on at Cadomin than anyone else on here.

[Ultimate Predator]

Like i said speckel 55 weres your sheep pic get out of mom n dads basement and kill a ram didnt know u were a sheep expert

[Ultimate Predator]

Im still fumming about the canned hunt speckle 55 u have sucked in to much coal dust

[baptiste_moose]

Nice work grown ups!!

[Speckle55]

Like i said speckel 55 weres your sheep pic get out of mom n dads basement and kill a ram didnt know u were a sheep expert

a opening day hunt for sheep for me was a trip up Roche a Perdrix and did a dry camp just below tree line(Brian M camped with me i met him when i was going up and told him of the Rams he stayed the night) then at 5am was up and on the top by day light over to Fiddle Peak(Brian went back) then over to the Table Top down the slide and over to Folding then coming off Folding in the dark .. down the road kicking rocks in the dark bymyself.. and out to hi-way .. then hiding my Bow and gun and hiking down the hy-way to get my car(by Overlander Lodge) and head home to arrive at 2 am .. i had been up for 21hrs.. 23 sheep spotted and not one of the 2 Rams i had seen on Friday morning that would have gone into the 190's in honest opinion.. i had seen them in a opening on Folding Mountain west side just off the hy-way as i went to get my World Record Fish from Lornie Curries in Jasper the 3rd ram would have been 185 or so .. i had left my wife and young kids on a wim that i would connect on my Quest of a 185 plus Ram

Was not to be .. but such is the life of a Sheep Hunter chasing Ghosts

now i am injured and may not get another chance but as i posted eariler i started at age 18(pasted on rams in the 170's) .. last 17 year's injured foot but i still hunt. just read some of my posts on here .. i will be 58 in June and am proficent at hunting and fishing Ultimate Predator .. ps i am in the AFGA book 4 times and one was a Wolf in 2000.. the Ultimate Predator Timber Wolf or is it you

Food for Thought

David:)

68478

[pikeslayer22]

a opening day hunt for sheep for me was a trip up Roche a Perdrix and did a dry camp just below tree line(Brian M camped with me i met him when i was going up and told him of the Rams he stayed the night) then at 5am was up and on the top by day light over to Fiddle Peak(Brian went back) then over to the Table Top down the slide and over to Folding then coming off Folding in the dark .. down the road kicking rocks in the dark bymyself.. and out to hi-way .. then hiding my Bow and gun and hiking down the hy-way to get my car(by Overlander Lodge) and head home to arrive at 2 am .. i had been up for 21hrs.. 23 sheep spotted and not one of the 2 Rams i had seen on Friday morning that would have gone into the 190's in honest opinion.. i had seen them in a opening on Folding Mountain west side just off the hy-way as i went to get my World Record Fish from Lornie Curries in Jasper the 3rd ram would have been 185 or so .. i had left my wife and young kids on a wim that i would connect on my Quest of a 185 plus Ram

Was not to be .. but such is the life of a Sheep Hunter chasing Ghosts

now i am injured and may not get another chance but as i posted eariler i started at age 18(pasted on rams in the 170's) .. last 17 year's injured foot but i still hunt. just read some of my posts on here .. i will be 58 in June and am proficent at hunting and fishing Ultimate Predator .. ps i am in the AFGA book 4 times and one was a Wolf in 2000.. the Ultimate Predator Timber Wolf or is it you

Food for Thought

David:)

68478
After hunting it this past November I would not call it a canned hunt. Defiantly different than anything hunt I have ever been on not being in the best shape the physical part was harder than it should have been! The big thing is trying to stay in the game mentally, seeing all the sheep on the mine site and then climbing up and out of the boundaries and not seeing a sheep for days.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect David's being that he lives and hunts in the area. He was one of the first people to give me advice on my hunt along with many others on this site. Without his guidance I probably wouldn't have been successful! So thanks David