Barbed verus barbless,a side by side test

[Northwinds]

Since I am waiting for parts for my air seeder,I decided to pass the time doing a test for hooking/landing percentages with barbed/barbless hooks.
To be fair,I took 2 identical rods and reels,put exactly 100 feet of line on them,then opened 2 new Apex trout lures,pinched the barbs on one and not the other.
I headed to a commercial trout pond that has roughly 3500 4.5 lb Rainbow trout that are very healthy and aggressive feeders,especially when supper is a hour late LOL.
The feed boat was used to troll both lures at the same speed,in rod holders at the same angle, the 100 feet of line was let out all the way with 10 cranks back on both reels and the test started.I decided to test until I had caught 20 fish on one lure.A fish only counted if I released it.
After about a hour,13 fish were released from the barb less rig ,with 20 being released on the barbed one.
The method of hook up was to keep the engine in gear after a bite until the slack was caught up on both rigs and only keeping the line tight until the fish was landed.
Again this was all performed on a commercial lake.

[BeeGuy]

What kind of hooks were they?

[rielbowhunter]

:thinking-006:

[alacringa]

Just to say: I grew up fishing with barbed hooks, and switched over to barbless after moving to AB. Now, I fish with barbless everywhere. They are easier to remove from fish, and from yourself. Better all-round.

[Northwinds]

What kind of hooks were they?

As near as I can tell,they were about a size 6 chromed single hook.

[HunterDave]

I decided to test until I had caught 20 fish on one lure.A fish only counted if I released it.
After about a hour,13 fish were released from the barb less rig ,with 20 being released on the barbed one.

Does this mean that you had 7 hits on the barbless rig that you didn't land?

[Northwinds]

Does this mean that you had 7 hits on the barbless rig that you didn't land?

There were hits on both lures that were not landed, buthits did not count.The fish had to be landed to count. My test my rules LOL

[ETOWNCANUCK]

What was the point of the test? Whether barbed hooks will catch more, than barbless?

[winger7mm]

There were hits on both lures that were not landed, buthits did not count.The fish had to be landed to count. My test my rules LOL

Hate to say it but your test is flawed if landed fish only counted. Seeing that barbed landed more fish then barbless, but how many strikes on each plus how many lost half battle, Hook up wouldnt matter if barbed or not, neither would what happens at the boat, its what happens between the boat and the hookset. IMO try again lol :)

[BeeGuy]

Hate to say it but your test is flawed if landed fish only counted. Seeing that barbed landed more fish then barbless, but how many strikes on each plus how many lost half battle, Hook up wouldnt matter if barbed or not, neither would what happens at the boat, its what happens between the boat and the hookset. IMO try again lol :)

I disagree, the test was fine. Simple and to the point...

The only improvement I would suggest would be to replicate the test several more times in order to see how variable the results are.

[winger7mm]

I disagree, the test was fine. Simple and to the point...

The only improvement I would suggest would be to replicate the test several more times in order to see how variable the results are.

If your testing to see if barbed vs non-barbed catches more fish, then your wrong. Say the left rod had 27 bites with 23 hook ups that were lost half way with 10 landed, compared to the right rod 12 bites 10 hook ups and 8 fish landed. See where im going with this?? IMO to test it, yes you need to run a few more tests, but you also need to account for bites, hook ups, half losts and retreives. Simply due to barbed "holding" better then non-barbed right??

[BeeGuy]

I know what your saying, but I still disagree.

[waterninja]

i don't understand what you were testing. whether it is more effective to catch fish with a barbed vs. barbless hook (no brainer), or if it makes a difference in releaseing the fish safely?

i'll stick with barbs either way, thanks.

[Kokanee9]

I don't believe it was a test to see which hook catches more fish, more like a test to see fish to the side of the boat before they become unhooked.

I'm not really understanding how they were brought to the boat.

Quote: "The method of hook up was to keep the engine in gear after a bite until the slack was caught up on both rigs and only keeping the line tight until the fish was landed."

If the motor was put into idle or turned off while landing a fish, that would have had an effect on the action of the other hook without a fish, because it would have stopped moving in the water.

I can't see a difference of having a barb or not in relation to getting a fish to bite.

[Northwinds]

All I wanted was to see was the number of fish that made it to the boat,you guys are reading way to much into this.Since the hooks/setups were identical,the method of fighting was was the same,the only differance was the barbed/barbless feature. By leaving the boat in gear after getting a bite I was trying be unpartial in the way the hook was set,I was trying to eliminate the human error. The number of bites does not matter,it's again the number of landed fish.I can't sell bites.
All I can say is that last night,fishing the way I was fishing,with the targeted fish being very aggresive rainbow trout ,I had a way higher percentage of fish being landed with barbs. It was a small experiment done only one time just for giggles and kicks,however, for a commercial situation you can darn well bet next time I make a "pull" I will have barbs on.

[buckman]

Nothing worse than a big fish spitting the barbless hook.

I only use barbless if required by regulations.

More fish are injured by deep hooking and attemps to remove the hook than by anything else barbed or not.

Fact... barbed hooks LAND more fish.Is that not the purpose of fishing.As to weather you release them or not...its a personal choice.

[Lmil]

This sounds like a mythbusters episode.

I haven't tested it out yet (will this weekend, though), but I heard if you bend the barbless hook to offset them, they tend to reduce the chances of losing fish.

[Reddin]

Next test, don't take any pliers for releasing, and let us know how that goes.

[huntsfurfish]

Next test, don't take any pliers for releasing, and let us know how that goes.

Should always have pliers or hemostats! proper tool for releasing fish!:snapoutofit::)

please keep your fingers out of their mouths and gills!


Ooops, I guess I am in this one too.

[Fish along]

Sounds like a good place to go fishing.

[Reddin]

Should always have pliers or hemostats! proper tool for releasing fish!:snapoutofit::)

please keep your fingers out of their mouths and gills!


Ooops, I guess I am in this one too.



That's my point. No one always does, whether forgetting or just ignorant.

[huntsfurfish]

That's my point. No one always does, whether forgetting or just ignorant.

sorry misunderstood.

I always does:). Even have 4 stainless pairs on the boat, one for each fisherperson. Plus in tackle bags have backup.

[Woody_16]

The only improvement I would suggest would be to replicate the test several more times in order to see how variable the results are.

I won't touch on opinionated or subjective comments, but as an objective experiment, BeeGuy is right, your sample size is far too small to reach any legitimate conclusions.

[Kokanee9]

All I wanted was to see was the number of fish that made it to the boat,you guys are reading way to much into this.Since the hooks/setups were identical,the method of fighting was was the same,the only differance was the barbed/barbless feature. By leaving the boat in gear after getting a bite I was trying be unpartial in the way the hook was set,I was trying to eliminate the human error. The number of bites does not matter,it's again the number of landed fish.I can't sell bites.
All I can say is that last night,fishing the way I was fishing,with the targeted fish being very aggresive rainbow trout ,I had a way higher percentage of fish being landed with barbs. It was a small experiment done only one time just for giggles and kicks,however, for a commercial situation you can darn well bet next time I make a "pull" I will have barbs on.


Thanks for clearing that part up for me. I was under the impression the motor was in neutral after 1 side had a fish on.

[BeeGuy]

I won't touch on opinionated or subjective comments, but as an objective experiment, BeeGuy is right, your sample size is far too small to reach any legitimate conclusions.

To be fair, most ecological studies rely on pseudoreplication. I think that we can take something away from the OP's results, but that knowing how variable they are would tell us even more.

[new LT]

I disagree, the test was fine. Simple and to the point...

The only improvement I would suggest would be to replicate the test several more times in order to see how variable the results are.

If the test was fine. simple and to the point what was the point? Without knowing the number of hookup to the number of fish released you have no test as winger stated. As far as the number of fish caught on one hook over the other there is to may variables, the action of the lures can be different due to hook being pinched, the prop wash, the turning radius of the boat. The handling of the lure it's self can effect the test by what chemicals are on your hands. And even when all things are similar human error alone must be taken in to account. So unless he is testing something totally unseen i don't see where this is a test..

[BeeGuy]

You are entitled to your opinion.

You listed a lot of 'variables' there, however almost all of them were controlled for.

If your only point is to discount the OP's effort, your attempt has been noted.

If you want to discuss the experiment honestly, the opportunity persists.

[huntsfurfish]

Another and very important variable would be the side of the lures(barbed and barbless) to which way of the turn. Speeding or slowing the lure.

Was the rods/lures the same side throughout the test. And were all the turns in the same direction(always left, or always right)?

[trooper]

Nothing worse than a big fish spitting the barbless hook.

I only use barbless if required by regulations.

More fish are injured by deep hooking and attemps to remove the hook than by anything else barbed or not.

Fact... barbed hooks LAND more fish.Is that not the purpose of fishing.As to weather you release them or not...its a personal choice.
Buckman, you are 100% right! All this BS about being Politically correct and releasing "my dinner".. "Ain't gunna happen".
I had some *****hole tell me that if he caught me using a barbed hook, he'd throw my tackle into the lake. I'm waiting for him:shark:. And as far as I'm concerned, political correctness is tyranny with manners.:argue2:
Unless using a barbed hook again becomes illegal, I'm going to use them!

[Freedom55]

[QUOTE=buckman;1962386]Nothing worse than a big fish spitting the barbless hook.../QUOTE]

...except, maybe, a fish spitting a barbed hook.

Free

[new LT]

You are entitled to your opinion.

You listed a lot of 'variables' there, however almost all of them were controlled for.

If your only point is to discount the OP's effort, your attempt has been noted.

If you want to discuss the experiment honestly, the opportunity persists.

If you care to answer the first question i'm still willing to listen. What was the point of the test and while your at it what was the out come?

[new LT]

Another and very important variable would be the side of the lures(barbed and barbless) to which way of the turn. Speeding or slowing the lure.

Was the rods/lures the same side throughout the test. And were all the turns in the same direction(always left, or always right)?

Agreed also what if any structure or water depth was in relation to which lure.

[Cal]

IMO hookups / landed fish ratios are wildly different between fish species. With trout I agree that barbs can make a huge difference. With hard mouthed fish that are typicaly larger, like walleye and pike, I have seen little difference so long as the angler is reasonably skilled.

Anyone who claims that barbs have no bearing on fish mortality is delusional. Yes fish handling is equaly important, but if the time involved in removing a hook is a factor (which it is), regardless of skill level the hook will almost always be removed more quickly if it is barbless. Yes a skilled and carefull fisherman can probably release more healthy fish using barbed hooks than a ham fisted jerk can using barbless, but in both cases using barbless hooks are going to reduce fish handling to some degree.

[BeeGuy]

If you care to answer the first question i'm still willing to listen. What was the point of the test and while your at it what was the out come?

Read the first sentence of the first post.

[ronnyboy]

If your testing to see if barbed vs non-barbed catches more fish, then your wrong. Say the left rod had 27 bites with 23 hook ups that were lost half way with 10 landed, compared to the right rod 12 bites 10 hook ups and 8 fish landed. See where im going with this?? IMO to test it, yes you need to run a few more tests, but you also need to account for bites, hook ups, half losts and retreives. Simply due to barbed "holding" better then non-barbed right??

I totally agree with winger7mm

[huntsfurfish]

IMO hookups / landed fish ratios are wildly different between fish species. With trout I agree that barbs can make a huge difference. With hard mouthed fish that are typicaly larger, like walleye and pike, I have seen little difference so long as the angler is reasonably skilled.

Anyone who claims that barbs have no bearing on fish mortality is delusional. Yes fish handling is equaly important, but if the time involved in removing a hook is a factor (which it is), regardless of skill level the hook will almost always be removed more quickly if it is barbless. Yes a skilled and carefull fisherman can probably release more healthy fish using barbed hooks than a ham fisted jerk can using barbless, but in both cases using barbless hooks are going to reduce fish handling to some degree.

Delusional is ignoring the science and going with feelings:)

[Isopod]

Way too many critics. I think it was a very interesting test, thanks for posting. As someone else mentioned, it would be interesting to see it repeated another few times to get an idea how variable the results are. But I realize it was just a fun thing, so good on you.

[huntsfurfish]

Thank you Op for posting, it still was interesting. Info is always welcome.

[RavYak]

Were the rods always on same sides of the boat or switched back and forth? That could play into the results especially depending on routes trolled etc. Other then that a pretty fair test although you should have kept count of the fish that were hooked and got away as that is the main factor not which hook allures the most fish. 20 fish is far from a large enough target size so hard to make any conclusion, if you did 1000 or so then it would probably be accurate but that obviously would be a painful process.

That said I think it is pretty easy to realize that barbed hooks will land more fish then barbless especially when fishing for a species like trout. The presence of a barb will not scare fish away nor do they hinder hook setting ability so have no negative impact on landing fish. They do help keep fish on the hook by adding resistance to the hook coming out so makes sense why they have an advantage. That advantage can be made fairly slim with a good rod and reel and skilled rod handling though making the barbed hook less effective and in some cases more of a hindrance(hard to remove). You have to remember why they started putting barbs on hooks and that is because they didn't use to have the great rods and reels we use now and so the barbs made a significant difference on landing percentage. I personally have a similar experience one time when I tried to fish a trout pond with a reel that had no brake. I couldn't keep the line tight and the fish would constantly get off the barbless hooks.

I personally will continue to use barbless hooks when fishing for certain species like Pike and Walleye that don't have significant acrobatic ability. These fish are pretty much as easy to land barbless as they are with a barbed hook. Trout on the other hand are so acrobatic that they can often work themselves off a hook barbed or not and it is much easier for them to do so if there is no resistance on the hook.

[Cal]

Delusional is ignoring the science and going with feelings:)

Theres "science" that indicates that motorcycle helmets cause neck injurys. And all kinds of dilusional people that are happy to ignore logic and jump on board with that "science" just to support their position rather than be swayed by logic.

I dont care if ya'll use barbs, heck I'll probably use barbs once in awhile. Its legal and there is nothing wrong with it so why would I care? But just be honest with yourself, instead of clinging to logic-defying science. Handling fish is bad for them, barbs = more handling, pretty damn hard to get around that regardless of whatever "science" you've got backing you up. I'm not trying to convince anyone to go barbless, I just wish people would quit spewing out foolish things.

[new LT]

Read the first sentence of the first post.

Can you tell me then what the percentage of hookup to landed fish between barbed and barbless hooks in this test then. I would be very interested in your answer.

[new LT]

Theres "science" that indicates that motorcycle helmets cause neck injurys. And all kinds of dilusional people that are happy to ignore logic and jump on board with that "science" just to support their position rather than be swayed by logic.

I dont care if ya'll use barbs, heck I'll probably use barbs once in awhile. Its legal and there is nothing wrong with it so why would I care? But just be honest with yourself, instead of clinging to logic-defying science. Handling fish is bad for them, barbs = more handling, pretty damn hard to get around that regardless of whatever "science" you've got backing you up. I'm not trying to convince anyone to go barbless, I just wish people would quit spewing out foolish things.

Actually I have a blown out disc in my neck from a full face helmet hitting a tree. I can't say for sure that my injuries would be less or worse with out the helmet, But the helmet DID cause the injury I have.

[RavYak]

Actually I have a blown out disc in my neck from a full face helmet hitting a tree. I can't say for sure that my injuries would be less or worse with out the helmet, But the helmet DID cause the injury I have.

Actually you driving into the tree caused your injury...

[new LT]

Actually you driving into the tree caused your injury...

Didn't say i drove into tree ......:)

[BeeGuy]

Actually I have a blown out disc in my neck from a full face helmet hitting a tree. I can't say for sure that my injuries would be less or worse with out the helmet, But the helmet DID cause the injury I have.

This explains so much ;)

[new LT]

This explains so much ;)

Is this your funny way of not having to answer the question
if so it's ok ......:)

[Cal]

Actually I have a blown out disc in my neck from a full face helmet hitting a tree. I can't say for sure that my injuries would be less or worse with out the helmet, But the helmet DID cause the injury I have.

Theres a good chance you would have a neck injury even if you werent wearing your helmet. However you're fractured skull might have distracted you enough that you didnt notice the sore neck. :)

My wife sustained some neck injury's in a motorcycle accident because she was wearing a full faced helment, however in her case she's inteligent enough to thank god she was wearing that helmet. A different sort of person uses that type of thing to rage against helmet laws.

[huntsfurfish]

IMO hookups / landed fish ratios are wildly different between fish species. With trout I agree that barbs can make a huge difference. With hard mouthed fish that are typicaly larger, like walleye and pike, I have seen little difference so long as the angler is reasonably skilled.

Anyone who claims that barbs have no bearing on fish mortality is delusional. Yes fish handling is equaly important, but if the time involved in removing a hook is a factor (which it is), regardless of skill level the hook will almost always be removed more quickly if it is barbless. Yes a skilled and carefull fisherman can probably release more healthy fish using barbed hooks than a ham fisted jerk can using barbless, but in both cases using barbless hooks are going to reduce fish handling to some degree.

Not saying there is no bearing, just not a significant amount:) Ignoring the science end of it is not logical either Mr Spock;)

I too will fish within the law.

[Cal]

Not saying there is no bearing, just not a significant amount:) Ignoring the science end of it is not logical either Mr Spock;)

I too will fish within the law.

IMO the bearing would depend on the situation.

An experienced angler fishing for walleye with an un-tipped jig, probably not much bearing.

The same angler fishing bait under tip ups for pike, it would be a much bigger factor.

An inexperienced angler in either of those situations and anything in between, possibly a huge factor.

In some instances, yes the barbs would not play a big factor. Across the board taking in to acount all situations and types of fishermen, well I think I've made my opinion on that pretty clear.

[Cal]

Is this your funny way of not having to answer the question
if so it's ok ......:)

I think that was more of a coment on how, having rammed your head into a tree hard enough blow a disk, you think that the helmet was the culprit. Because I would have to agree that yes, that does explain alot about the stance you have adopted in this thread.

[huntsfurfish]

IMO the bearing would depend on the situation.

An experienced angler fishing for walleye with an un-tipped jig, probably not much bearing.

The same angler fishing bait under tip ups for pike, it would be a much bigger factor.

An inexperienced angler in either of those situations and anything in between, possibly a huge factor.

In some instances, yes the barbs would not play a big factor. Across the board taking in to acount all situations and types of fishermen, well I think I've made my opinion on that pretty clear.

Your right about one thing, just your opinion:)

[Cal]

Your right about one thing, just your opinion:)

Exactly where are you getting your "science?" I've seen the results of studys done at bass tournaments where the results were inconclusive, I've also seen the results of studys done by F&W on opening day bluegill where the results were wildly in favor of barbless. When theres plenty of conflicting information a guy's just got to use his head. One thing I have never seen, a study that showed barbless resulting in worse survival rates than barbed.

http://nativefishsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/Barbed-and-Barbless-Hooks-Lit-Review-408.pdf

[huntsfurfish]

CAL read all the barbless threads, we go round and round. Not saying worse, just - little significant difference in barbed/barbless to mortality rates.

You were right about fish handling(never disagreed about that).

[Cal]

CAL read all the barbless threads, we go round and round. Not saying worse, just - little significant difference in barbed/barbless to mortality rates.

You were right about fish handling(never disagreed about that).

Sorry, I've managed to stay out of the barbless threads for a long time so for me this is sort of like re-discovering Led Zeppelin IIII. LOVIN IT! The Led Zeppelin IIII that is. But then, I like fat chicks so what do I know?

[huntsfurfish]

Sorry, I've managed to stay out of the barbless threads for a long time so for me this is sort of like re-discovering Led Zeppelin IIII. LOVIN IT! The Led Zeppelin IIII that is. But then, I like fat chicks so what do I know?

I gotta learn to stay out of this barbed/barbless too I guess.:)

But I cant:thinking-006:

[Cal]

I gotta learn to stay out of this barbed/barbless too I guess.:)

But I cant:thinking-006:

You could try led zeppelin 4, or fat chicks....

[new LT]

Theres a good chance you would have a neck injury even if you werent wearing your helmet. However you're fractured skull might have distracted you enough that you didnt notice the sore neck. :)

My wife sustained some neck injury's in a motorcycle accident because she was wearing a full faced helment, however in her case she's inteligent enough to thank god she was wearing that helmet. A different sort of person uses that type of thing to rage against helmet laws.

As I said in my post I can't say my injuries would not have been worse. I've taken many spills with helmet and with out, This was the worst, they say the damage was definitely by the helmet. But I don't advise anyone to ride with out one.

[EZM]

I gotta learn to stay out of this barbed/barbless too I guess.:)

But I cant:thinking-006:

Notice how I stayed away from this thread ..... lol .............tempting ..... but I'm staying out.............

:)

[new LT]

I think that was more of a coment on how, having rammed your head into a tree hard enough blow a disk, you think that the helmet was the culprit. Because I would have to agree that yes, that does explain alot about the stance you have adopted in this thread.

I was not the one to decide that it was the helmet that caused my injury it was my Orthopedist. And believe me I will always take his opinion over yours.But thanks for your opinion for what it is worth...... NOTHING!

[kevinhits]

Notice how I stayed away from this thread ..... lol .............tempting ..... but I'm staying out.............

:)

Come on EZM.....Miss you on here...Have not heard from you for awhile:)


:acigar:

[Cal]

I was not the one to decide that it was the helmet that caused my injury it was my Orthopedist. And believe me I will always take his opinion over yours.But thanks for your opinion for what it is worth...... NOTHING!

LOL, my wife had two black eyes, a broken nose, severe bruising, and neck injurys. All were deffinatly a result of the helmet, which I still have in my shed... broken. Like I said she's smart enough to be thankfull she was wearing it.

[new LT]

LOL, my wife had two black eyes, a broken nose, severe bruising, and neck injurys. All were deffinatly a result of the helmet, which I still have in my shed... broken. Like I said she's smart enough to be thankfull she was wearing it.

have i ever given the notion that I WAS not glad I had my helmet on.
Not sure what thread you are reading from......!

[BeeGuy]

Can you tell me then what the percentage of hookup to landed fish between barbed and barbless hooks in this test then. I would be very interested in your answer.

Was that part of the test?

If not, why would we discuss results which do not reflect the intent of the experiment?

I have no doubt there are many more questions which are unrelated to the experiment. For example, the impact of barbed and barbless hooks on fish mortality.

[new LT]

Since I am waiting for parts for my air seeder,I decided to pass the time doing a test for hooking/landing percentages with barbed/barbless hooks.
To be fair,I took 2 identical rods and reels,put exactly 100 feet of line on them,then opened 2 new Apex trout lures,pinched the barbs on one and not the other.
I headed to a commercial trout pond that has roughly 3500 4.5 lb Rainbow trout that are very healthy and aggressive feeders,especially when supper is a hour late LOL.
The feed boat was used to troll both lures at the same speed,in rod holders at the same angle, the 100 feet of line was let out all the way with 10 cranks back on both reels and the test started.I decided to test until I had caught 20 fish on one lure.A fish only counted if I released it.
After about a hour,13 fish were released from the barb less rig ,with 20 being released on the barbed one.
The method of hook up was to keep the engine in gear after a bite until the slack was caught up on both rigs and only keeping the line tight until the fish was landed.
Again this was all performed on a commercial lake.

Read the first sentence of the first post.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=new LT;1963729]Can you tell me then what the percentage of hookup to landed fish between barbed and barbless hooks in this test then. I would be very interested in your answer.

Was that part of the test?

If not, why would we discuss results which do not reflect the intent of the experiment?

I have no doubt there are many more questions which are unrelated to the experiment. For example, the impact of barbed and barbless hooks on fish mortality.

I would say that is what the test was ALL about. But there is no results. No matter how you try to turn thing the test showed no results because there was no proper data. You know this you just wont admit it because you said the test was fine and you hate to be wrong ..... you are begining to sound like a certain tackle maker on here now.

[JohninAB]

My question is, how has global warming affected the mating habits of the white backed european sewer rat?

[new LT]

My question is, how has global warming affected the mating habits of the white backed european sewer rat?

They sweat more.

[BeeGuy]

Read the first sentence of the first post.





I would say that is what the test was ALL about. But there is no results. No matter how you try to turn thing the test showed no results because there was no proper data. You know this you just wont admit it because you said the test was fine and you hate to be wrong ..... you are begining to sound like a certain tackle maker on here now.

You certainly are invested in this.

It was a simple test. It yielded simple results. I think that something can be taken from those results despite their simplicity.

It's that simple.

[huntsfurfish]

You could try led zeppelin 4, or fat chicks....

Looks like that is the way to go eh.

[huntsfurfish]

Notice how I stayed away from this thread ..... lol .............tempting ..... but I'm staying out.............

:)

Noticed, kinda wished I had stayed out too:argue2:

I really got to get out fishin!

[OneGirlWolfPack]

Interesting test you did. Thanks for posting the results. :)
Personally I would love to use barbed hooks because I know it would help me land more fish, but as a beginner I also know I lack the experience to remove them quickly and carefully so I don't use them.

[new LT]

[QUOTE=new LT;1963943]

You certainly are invested in this.

It was a simple test. It yielded simple results. I think that something can be taken from those results despite their simplicity.

It's that simple.

My investment in this is nothing.

If it is so simple why can you not answer my simple question WHAT ARE THE RESULTS? What are the hooking and landing percentages?

[BeeGuy]

13 (thirteen) fish were released on the barbless rig.

20 (twenty) fish were released on the barbed rig.

All in the course of about an hour.

All from the first post.

[new LT]

13 (thirteen) fish were released on the barbless rig.

20 (twenty) fish were released on the barbed rig.

All in the course of about an hour.

All from the first post.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You call that a hooking to landing percentage,

now you are just grabbing at straws. Even you can't believe that is an answer...:sHa_shakeshout:

[new LT]

13 (thirteen) fish were released on the barbless rig.

20 (twenty) fish were released on the barbed rig.

All in the course of about an hour.

All from the first post.

Perhaps this will help you


If Bob hook 10 fish and he lands and releases 5 on a barbed hook Bob has a 50% catch rate.

If Bill hooks 5 fish and lands and releases 3 on a barbless hook Bill has a 60% catch rate

even though Bob caught more fish Bill has a better catch rate of 10%

[BeeGuy]

What you are looking for is not part of the experiment as I have already identified.

[new LT]

What you are looking for is not part of the experiment as I have already identified.

What i'm looking for is the entire experiment you even said yourself read the first sentence "Since I am waiting for parts for my air seeder,I decided to pass the time doing a test for hooking/landing percentages with barbed/barbless hooks."Do not try to weasel your way out of it now. The test was HOOKING and LANDING PERCENTAGES as the first sentence says.You lost most of your credibility when you stated that it was a fine test you have lost the rest trying to prove it instead of admitting that you were wrong. We can continue like this for ever but you will still be wrong.Not sure how long it will take you to convince yourself but you will never convince me or anyone else that can read a simple sentence. I hope you do not do any important research. good day!

[fallen1817]

Call me crazy, but I enjoy the challenge a barbless hook brings. I'm not all that competitve about the size/amount of fish I land, but to ensure I keep my line tight and focus on my "technique" adds a new edge to the sport. I enjoy it more.

Not to mention the east of removal.

[bellr77]

I am not really sure why people bother with barbed hooks unless your in a super competitive tournament I see no point personally. Who cares if you lose a couple fish because of them? Is it ever gonna ruin your entire day? I fished barbless hooks 99% of the time when I liven in Saskatchewan and barbs were legal. Truth is it makes life easier when you can retrieve your hook quick and easy and is better for sustainability.

[FishingReviewsTV]

I am not really sure why people bother with barbed hooks unless your in a super competitive tournament I see no point personally. Who cares if you lose a couple fish because of them? Is it ever gonna ruin your entire day? I fished barbless hooks 99% of the time when I liven in Saskatchewan and barbs were legal. Truth is it makes life easier when you can retrieve your hook quick and easy and is better for sustainability.

100% absolutely agree with you. I fish barbless 95% of the time.

In BC a lot of lakes, and streams are illegal to fish with a barb. What really gets me is when I see someone using a treble hook with barbs. :) Unless you're fishing 100% to feed your family, that's just evil.

[huntsfurfish]

I am not really sure why people bother with barbed hooks unless your in a super competitive tournament I see no point personally. Who cares if you lose a couple fish because of them? Is it ever gonna ruin your entire day? I fished barbless hooks 99% of the time when I liven in Saskatchewan and barbs were legal. Truth is it makes life easier when you can retrieve your hook quick and easy and is better for sustainability.

Theres more to it than that:sign0176:

[huntsfurfish]

Call me crazy, but I enjoy the challenge a barbless hook brings. I'm not all that competitve about the size/amount of fish I land, but to ensure I keep my line tight and focus on my "technique" adds a new edge to the sport. I enjoy it more.

Not to mention the east of removal.

I like not having the hassel of pinching barbs and adding something to keep the bait on, the west:)

[EZM]

Noticed, kinda wished I had stayed out too:argue2:

I really got to get out fishin!

Just spending my time getting all the gear set up in my new boat.

Cleaned up the tackle trays/ boxes, sharpened up the hooks, and Dremeled off the barbs on all my new gear I purchased over the winter months.

Now ........ ready for opening day WEDNESDAY !!!!!

According to this post, my landing rates may decrease. On the other hand, my release rates will increase ......lol.:sHa_sarcasticlol:

[bodomtyrant]

I one is skilled enough you dont need barbs

[new LT]

Just spending my time getting all the gear set up in my new boat.

Cleaned up the tackle trays/ boxes, sharpened up the hooks, and Dremeled off the barbs on all my new gear I purchased over the winter months.

Now ........ ready for opening day WEDNESDAY !!!!!

According to this post, my landing rates may decrease. On the other hand, my release rates will increase ......lol.:sHa_sarcasticlol:

That was a mistake to dremel off barbs heard they were going to ban BARBLESS hooks...........:)

[EZM]

That was a mistake to dremel off barbs heard they were going to ban BARBLESS hooks...........:)

OMG !!!!!!!! don't even kid about that .... I would have to replace 600 hooks just on my crankbaits alone !!!!!!! had to go down to 14 trays of tackle to fit into my tackle locker ....... lol ............

[BeeGuy]

OMG !!!!!!!! don't even kid about that .... I would have to replace 600 hooks just on my crankbaits alone !!!!!!! had to go down to 14 trays of tackle to fit into my tackle locker ....... lol ............

Why don't you replace the treble hooks with single hooks?

It's much more ethical.

They come out way easier and cause much less injury to the fish.

[Reddin]

It's much more ethical.

They come out way easier and cause much less injury to the fish.

As with barbless.

[BeeGuy]

Do you have any peer reviewed primary literature to support that or is it your gut feeling?

[Reddin]

Barbed hooks catch more fish because they have barbs. Barbed hooks are more difficult to remove because they have barbs. It's not rocket science.

[BeeGuy]

Personally, I find treble hooks more difficult to remove than single hooks sometimes, but don't find much difference between barb and no barb.

[DiabeticKripple]

Personally, I find treble hooks more difficult to remove than single hooks sometimes, but don't find much difference between barb and no barb.

Because you actually know how to properly remove a barb.

[BeeGuy]

Because you actually know how to properly remove a barb.

Ya, just press it down flat...

[MtnGiant]

Ya, just press it down flat...

Wrong again.

It will still get hung up when removing.

The proper way is to remove the barb and file the nib flat.

[BeeGuy]

I love nibs. Super nibs are the way to go.

[BeeGuy]

Wrong again.

It will still get hung up when removing.

The proper way is to remove the barb and file the nib flat.

Maybe you could demonstrate on a size 18 hook.

That way we can do it correctly, the mntlgiant way.

[Gust]

I one is skilled enough you dont need barbs

dude what are you putting in your bodom????

[BeeGuy]

Apparently he doesn't give an f

[Winch101]

We know what that means....:thinking-006:

[new LT]

Apparently he doesn't give an f

We know what that means....:thinking-006:

Is that legal ...........:scared:

[BeeGuy]

I one is skilled enough you dont need barbs

We know what that means....:thinking-006:

You'll note that no f was given in bodomtyrants post.

[new LT]

You'll note that no f was given in bodomtyrants post.

WOW and you were talking about weak...........:(

[EZM]

Why don't you replace the treble hooks with single hooks?

It's much more ethical.

They come out way easier and cause much less injury to the fish.

Good thought ....... Hard to see from the photo - but with the middle to smaller cranks - many of them have singles or a combination of single/trebles to limit the possibility of an ugly hook up.

The cranks in the closest in the foreground are 8"-12" sizes and they all have the original trebles as it's unlikely a deep hook will result with a plug that size.

It's the 3"-4" size and down that tend to be the ones swallowed and deep hooked - those are the ones where I've changed out many of the hooks.

All the hooks, of course, are barbless .....

[BeeGuy]

Mostly wab gear?

[EZM]

Mostly wab gear?

Yup - I loaded up for opening tomorrow - with the trays I can load up what I need in the locker and switch out according to target species. No tackle boxes or bags to trip over in the boat.

[Gust]

Apparently he doesn't give an f

Autocorrect should be banned, except for fishgunner. AC couldn't decipher FH7's posts (speaking of which,, FH7 hasn't posted in a long time, where art thou FH7?,, posts nice pics).

Yesterday I went fishing with my Dad and I wanted to test the barb vs no barb thing, unfortunately, we had no new unpinched terminal tackle on hand, so it just bacame a standard game of me vs him on who would catch first. He won by one fish, the first and the last,,,, would have been two for him, had he not dosed off, with rod in hand only to awake when the rod started reeeeally shaking, and, as deep sleeps go - and being old - seeing him all of a sudden realise that he was fishing was almost priceless. I could hear him snoring at 30 feet away during wind gusts of about 80kmh.

Also saw a coot get attacked by a fish, and it barely managed to fly-escape with both of it's feet intact.

Other than this, I have nothing to add to this post.

[Gust]

Yup - I loaded up for opening tomorrow - with the trays I can load up what I need in the locker and switch out according to target species. No tackle boxes or bags to trip over in the boat.

We took every rod and reel along with us fishing yesterday, to re-spool line and once and for all have certain rods and reels stay on certain rods and reels (a dilemma we have argued about for 35 plus years), (today - once an for all - I will re-build/enlarge our rod holder, into categories per species, it will cause arguments, there will be yelling). The tackle gets reorganised every year and we now have it done again,,, problem is, is when spot-hopping i.e., hitting three different species and holes over a weekend, and tackle from box A eventually gets mussed up from tackle from box b because he saw something that required a bit of both boxes. Though, I'm not sure what's worse, piles of crankbait or piles of panther martin and mepps spinners to seperate,, it's like kenga with hooks.

off subject, but, we've got into a nasty habit of leaving herring on our rigs from the fishing spot all the way back to the garage,,,, in winter it's ok, cold n'all,, but yesterday, one of those little baits went into the next stage of rot,,,, neither here nor there.

to the OP,, barbed hooks get bbq'd meat bits out from between my teeth better than barbless,, though barbless get slivers out better.

[new LT]

Autocorrect should be banned, except for fishgunner. AC couldn't decipher FH7's posts (speaking of which,, FH7 hasn't posted in a long time, where art thou FH7?,, posts nice pics).

Yesterday I went fishing with my Dad and I wanted to test the barb vs no barb thing, unfortunately, we had no new unpinched terminal tackle on hand, so it just bacame a standard game of me vs him on who would catch first. He won by one fish, the first and the last,,,, would have been two for him, had he not dosed off, with rod in hand only to awake when the rod started reeeeally shaking, and, as deep sleeps go - and being old - seeing him all of a sudden realise that he was fishing was almost priceless. I could hear him snoring at 30 feet away during wind gusts of about 80kmh.

Also saw a coot get attacked by a fish, and it barely managed to fly-escape with both of it's feet intact.

Other than this, I have nothing to add to this post.


Even though you had no unpinched tackle for your barb vs nobarb test so could give no results I have to say and I quote "the test was fine. Simple and to the point..".......:) But I'm glad to hear you had a great day with your Dad thats the most important thing Enjoy every moment of it .........Cheers

[BeeGuy]

We took every rod and reel along with us fishing yesterday, to re-spool line and once and for all have certain rods and reels stay on certain rods and reels (a dilemma we have argued about for 35 plus years), (today - once an for all - I will re-build/enlarge our rod holder, into categories per species, it will cause arguments, there will be yelling). The tackle gets reorganised every year and we now have it done again,,, problem is, is when spot-hopping i.e., hitting three different species and holes over a weekend, and tackle from box A eventually gets mussed up from tackle from box b because he saw something that required a bit of both boxes. Though, I'm not sure what's worse, piles of crankbait or piles of panther martin and mepps spinners to seperate,, it's like kenga with hooks.

off subject, but, we've got into a nasty habit of leaving herring on our rigs from the fishing spot all the way back to the garage,,,, in winter it's ok, cold n'all,, but yesterday, one of those little baits went into the next stage of rot,,,, neither here nor there.

to the OP,, barbed hooks get bbq'd meat bits out from between my teeth better than barbless,, though barbless get slivers out better.

Any luck?

Where'd you go?

[cube]

Why don't you replace the treble hooks with single hooks?

It's much more ethical.

They come out way easier and cause much less injury to the fish.

Do you have any peer reviewed primary literature to support that or is it your gut feeling?

?

[BeeGuy]

took you guys long enough to juxtapose that.

were definitely gonna make 10pgs

[BeeGuy]

anyone ever catch a fish on a treble in the front of the mouth and have it hook the top and bottom jaws, effectively locking them closed?

[Gust]

anyone ever catch a fish on a treble in the front of the mouth and have it hook the top and bottom jaws, effectively locking them closed?

mid mouth yes.

Oldfart uses long shank single #2 hooks. I modify trebles by clipping one and then bending the remaining two almost side by side,, makes for better bait holding of herring.

[Gust]

Even though you had no unpinched tackle for your barb vs nobarb test so could give no results I have to say and I quote "the test was fine. Simple and to the point..".......:) But I'm glad to hear you had a great day with your Dad thats the most important thing Enjoy every moment of it .........Cheers

Actually, I could say that had the other 11 fishermen some maybe with barbs some maybe without, didn't catch fish either, and some had 3 hooks/trebles per line.

It was just a really carppy day on the water in the catching sense but a fun day as always when with the oldfart.

Those Lethbridge folk are fine fine fine fine people, seriously, put the cherry on the top of a very funny day.

If you can work this into the experiment part of the thread, good luck,,,, nobody were on boats either, so no good data on that. Of course, if one of us had donned a wetsuit and hopped onto a kite-surf board, our estimated time of arrival in North Battleford would have been last night, , we were fishing in breezy Southern Alberta, it was sooo windy that the lake was almost vertical on one side.

[new LT]

Actually, I could say that had the other 11 fishermen some maybe with barbs some maybe without, didn't catch fish either, and some had 3 hooks/trebles per line.

It was just a really carppy day on the water in the catching sense but a fun day as always when with the oldfart.

Those Lethbridge folk are fine fine fine fine people, seriously, put the cherry on the top of a very funny day.

If you can work this into the experiment part of the thread, good luck,,,, nobody were on boats either, so no good data on that. Of course, if one of us had donned a wetsuit and hopped onto a kite-surf board, our estimated time of arrival in North Battleford would have been last night, , we were fishing in breezy Southern Alberta, it was sooo windy that the lake was almost vertical on one side.

Its as good as any experiment in this thread ........:) You could have tested whether fish bit better when you are awake or asleep...?

[jstelfox]

For those concerned about the whether the OP’s methodology was sufficiently rigorous, the results of a recent study, summarized in the following abstract from the April issue of the North American Journal of Fisheries Management, should be of interest.

Capture Efficiency of Barbed versus Barbless Artificial Flies
for Trout
Roger K. Bloom*
California Department of Fish and Wildlife, 1701 Nimbus Road, Rancho Cordova, California 95670, USA

Abstract
I examined the capture efficiency of artificial flies fished with barbed and barbless hooks in various coldwater
fisheries throughout California. Capture efficiency was defined as the proportion of trout (family Salmonidae) landed
to the total number of trout hooked while angling. Waters were selected based on high catch per unit effort along with
trout species present in an effort to increase the probability of encounters and the species represented. Artificial flies
were standardized by J-style hooks and three artificial fly types (dry, nymph, and streamer). In an effort to reduce
bias, anglers were not told what hook type (i.e., barbed or barbless) they were using and were not allowed to handle or
visually inspect flies. A total of 1,617 trout were landed with a mean total length of 213 mm and a range of 64–660 mm.
Mean capture efficiency (and ranges) was 76% (38–100%) for anglers using barbed flies and 63% (0–100%) for
anglers using barbless flies. Results show that anglers using barbless flies landed proportionately less trout than when
they used barbed flies. Fisheries managers must weigh any perceived benefits from barbless regulations with potential
reductions in catch rates and associated angler satisfaction.

[new LT]

For those concerned about the whether the OP’s methodology was sufficiently rigorous, the results of a recent study, summarized in the following abstract from the April issue of the North American Journal of Fisheries Management, should be of interest.

Capture Efficiency of Barbed versus Barbless Artificial Flies
for Trout
Roger K. Bloom*
California Department of Fish and Wildlife, 1701 Nimbus Road, Rancho Cordova, California 95670, USA

Abstract
I examined the capture efficiency of artificial flies fished with barbed and barbless hooks in various coldwater
fisheries throughout California. Capture efficiency was defined as the proportion of trout (family Salmonidae) landed
to the total number of trout hooked while angling. Waters were selected based on high catch per unit effort along with
trout species present in an effort to increase the probability of encounters and the species represented. Artificial flies
were standardized by J-style hooks and three artificial fly types (dry, nymph, and streamer). In an effort to reduce
bias, anglers were not told what hook type (i.e., barbed or barbless) they were using and were not allowed to handle or
visually inspect flies. A total of 1,617 trout were landed with a mean total length of 213 mm and a range of 64–660 mm.
Mean capture efficiency (and ranges) was 76% (38–100%) for anglers using barbed flies and 63% (0–100%) for
anglers using barbless flies. Results show that anglers using barbless flies landed proportionately less trout than when
they used barbed flies. Fisheries managers must weigh any perceived benefits from barbless regulations with potential
reductions in catch rates and associated angler satisfaction.

Was this intended to resemble the OP test or just posted as General knowledge?

[pelada trochu]

I did a test of my own yesterday.

I hooked ten shirts a total of ten times each with two sets of hooks. One set barbless and an identical set with barbs.

I successfully retrieved each shirt and the barbless hooks were sccessfully removed in under two seconds.

I also successfully retrieved each shirt caught with a barbed hooks. However, all ten shirts now have ten hooks emedded into them save one which i tore out getting the first hook out.

Our sport is awesome. I love it. I enjoy eating fish catching them and the time on the water with family and friends.

Barbs will result in a greater catch rate. Guaranteed. I only hope trophy fish are released to keep our fisheries interesting and healthy.

Having got stabbed in the wrist last year with a crank trying to land a big fish, i know the value of a barbless hook. Its probably better for everyone if we kept her barbless. Good luck to everyone this summer and have fun.

[huntsfurfish]

I did a test of my own yesterday.

I hooked ten shirts a total of ten times each with two sets of hooks. One set barbless and an identical set with barbs.

I successfully retrieved each shirt and the barbless hooks were sccessfully removed in under two seconds.

I also successfully retrieved each shirt caught with a barbed hooks. However, all ten shirts now have ten hooks emedded into them save one which i tore out getting the first hook out.

Our sport is awesome. I love it. I enjoy eating fish catching them and the time on the water with family and friends.

Barbs will result in a greater catch rate. Guaranteed. I only hope trophy fish are released to keep our fisheries interesting and healthy.

Having got stabbed in the wrist last year with a crank trying to land a big fish, i know the value of a barbless hook. Its probably better for everyone if we kept her barbless. Good luck to everyone this summer and have fun.

If you would like to pinch your barbs go for it but it is not better for me:(

[Lornce]

I wanted to test out the barbed verses barbless theory. I set up my flowchart, put my materials in line and with a barbed hook in one hand and barbless in the other I approached my wife intending to see which hook sunk in and came out easiest. Sorry guys but that was the last thing I remember, will post further after my concussion heals and I can walk again. Science doesn't always work.

[WayneChristie]

I wanted to test out the barbed verses barbless theory. I set up my flowchart, put my materials in line and with a barbed hook in one hand and barbless in the other I approached my wife intending to see which hook sunk in and came out easiest. Sorry guys but that was the last thing I remember, will post further after my concussion heals and I can walk again. Science doesn't always work.

shoulda come from the rear :sign0176:

[MtnGiant]

I wanted to test out the barbed verses barbless theory. I set up my flowchart, put my materials in line and with a barbed hook in one hand and barbless in the other I approached my wife intending to see which hook sunk in and came out easiest. Sorry guys but that was the last thing I remember, will post further after my concussion heals and I can walk again. Science doesn't always work.

Hahahahahahaha.....awesome science test.

Now dats funny stuff

[BeeGuy]

shoulda come from the rear :sign0176:

That's yer solution to everything

[cube]

Quote:
Originally Posted by BeeGuy
"Why don't you replace the treble hooks with single hooks?

It's much more ethical.

They come out way easier and cause much less injury to the fish."

Quote:
Originally Posted by BeeGuy
"Do you have any peer reviewed primary literature to support that or is it your gut feeling?"

Just wondering if you have found any peer reviewed Primary literature yet. All the ones I have found say either the trebles are better (and the more trebles the better) or say there is no significant difference between treble vs single hooks.

I do agree that singles are easier on the fisherman as they are easier to remove and not nearly as scary when reaching for a large pike with a flailing large plug that has multiple trebles. I also find that singles are easier to make somewhat “weedless”.

[MikeGuo]

I would like to know where this commercial trout fishing place is