Disgusting display by parents. WTH is happening in minor hockey?

[pikergolf]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/hockey-player-12-hurt-in-scuffle-involving-referee-coach-1.2540097

Talking about the video.

[Wild&Free]

they all want to be rich like sid's dad....

[DiabeticKripple]

the referee could have avoided this by holding onto the players pants and escorting him to the penalty box or his bench.

could have avoided the "slip"

i have taken players to the ice before by pulling them down by their jerseys and then laying on them.

[Lefty-Canuck]

I think the Ref slipped...the dumb kid shouldn't have cheap shot slashed the other player from behind....that was the catalyst.

LC

[pinelakeperch]

Looks and sounds like a pretty classy crew.

[brownbomber]

Sometimes the gong show is unstoppable by the point you try to stop it. A little tough love from zebras never sparked a pee wee bench brawl.

[TIMWOLF]

I watched the video before I read the article or any of the posted threads on this forum. That ref slipped and did nothing different than any other ref would have done. The kid took a cheap shot by slashing the other kid and then an altercation started between the two. The ref tried to stop it but fell. Nobodys fault but the kids, and the parents should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.

[Marlin07]

Looks and sounds like a pretty classy crew.

I couldn't agree more. The biggest disgrace is that loud mouth swearing her face off. Gonna have to switch to menthol smokes after yelling like that.

[Nova]

The entire incident is pathetic, and even worse is the way the parents, players and family members of the Sagkeeng team are reacting after the fact. Talking about how the ref apparently picked the child up and body slammed him and then started repeatedly punching him. It's almost as if the story gets more outrageous every time they tell it, because the video shows nothing of the sort. Talking about charging the ref with assault, suing him. This Kainen kid's brother is even talking about how the ref is lucky he didn't get to him. Most of society would be giving their son a slap upside the head for acting like he did, instead these parents are parading him around like a victim and only enabling him in the future.

[Jamie]

That number 88 whaleing away during the coach scrum needs to be booted.
The coach coming off the bench is a idiot.
The kid who pulled the little slash move got what he deserved.
The Mom in the stands is a moron

I don't blame the ref for anything in this video.

When are they going to ban video cameras in these places?

Jamie

[Famabrav]

The parents should be ashamed. Setting a horrible example. Maybe that's why we are seeing these kids slashing from behind and trying to fight one another........

[riden]

Those parents must not have taken the Hockey Canada course for parents?

[greylynx]

Big Deal:

The reason this was posted was these children were native, and the poster appears to be race baiting.

A lot of liberals do this on this forum.

[Buckhead]

Looks like the Ref lost his footing and fell on top of the kid.

But, what was he doing tackling him in the first place - way out of line.

Ref should be banned and charged with assault.

[Sooner]

I watched the video a few times, to me it looked like a slip and the ref fell with his arms/elbows down first so he wouldn't squash the kid. That's my take. Kid instigated the scrum, another kid can be seeing slashing some one else. Sounds like a rowdy bunch. Could be a rivalry kinda thing going on here. If someone looks into the history of these two teams and I bet you find the answer. I don't think the ref did anything with intent to hurt and I hope the ref isn't made a scapegoat. Hope he isn't charged or sued.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Looks like the Ref lost his footing and fell on top of the kid.

But, what was he doing tackling him in the first place - way out of line.

Ref should be banned and charged with assault.

The slip caused the tackle....so he should be banned/charged for slipping and falling on the kid he was trying to get not to fight?

LC

[Jamie]

Looks like the Ref lost his footing and fell on top of the kid.

But, what was he doing tackling him in the first place - way out of line.

Ref should be banned and charged with assault.

Did you watch the video?

Ref did nothing wrong.

[missingtwo]

Sure a lot of idiots in those 2 videos, and a few on here.

[propliner]

Real classy mom some kid has there...

[Jamie]

You really feel the need to blame someone, blame the kid who got hurt.
He is 12. He knew exactly what he was doing when he layed on the lumber.

This was a non sanctioned Tourny. Doubt you will see any repercussions.

I watched the video of the Mom. She doesn't let her kid take one bit of responsibility for this. That right there is a big part of the problem. It has nothing to do with hockey, it has to do with raising your kid.

Jamie

[rasbok]

Looks like the Ref lost his footing and fell on top of the kid.

But, what was he doing tackling him in the first place - way out of line.

Ref should be banned and charged with assault.

wow really?
Buckhead you should grab your skates and whistle and volunteer to do it then. Its people like you that are ruining society. Lets charge a kid with assualt who is trying to make a few extra bucks and doing a community service.

[Lefty-Canuck]

You really feel the need to blame someone, blame the kid who got hurt.
He is 12. He knew exactly what he was doing when he layed on the lumber.

This was a non sanctioned Tourny. Doubt you will see any repercussions.

I watched the video of the Mom. She doesn't let her kid take one bit of responsibility for this. That right there is a big part of the problem. It has nothing to do with hockey, it has to do with raising your kid.

Jamie

Agree....some folks always want to be the victim and pass the blame, unfortunately that kid is never going to learn to take responsibility for poor decisions if Mommy acts like she did....the Ref is the victim here not the dummy with the broken wrist.

LC

[Geezle]

Big Deal:

The reason this was posted was these children were native, and the poster appears to be race baiting.

A lot of liberals do this on this forum.

:rolleye2:

[ali#1]

Looks and sounds like a pretty classy crew.

I was gonna say that.:thinking-006:

[BlackHeart]

Pee Wee douche learning to be a major league douche.
Lesson #1: if your going to be a back stabbing little slasher douche, you better drink lots of milk.

Did you see the self righteous smirk on the little St! when his mommy is talking about suing and such????

Word for mommy......you put the file into the cake BEFORE you bake it for him. And when your tired of visiting him in prison, you can always blame the warden for sexually harassing you.....cause what man could resist someone so classy as you are.

[brownbomber]

I've played my fair share of "native" hockey or whatever term you like and this kinda shenanigans isn't exactly normal but it's far from unheard of. Ridonkulous I know but it's a environment that you better be ready. That said I've experienced just as many hootenannys in regular hockey it's just not as common.
I'm talking like grown men come into our bench to fight and after the game a 7 year old calling me a f---&@@ cheater. Needless to say lol.
Not funny when it's happening with 12 year olds, a disgrace to the game at any age

[greylynx]

I've played my fair share of "native" hockey or whatever term you like and this kinda shenanigans isn't exactly normal but it's far from unheard of. Ridonkulous I know but it's a environment that you better be ready. That said I've experienced just as many hootenannys in regular hockey it's just not as common.
I'm talking like grown men come into our bench to fight and after the game a 7 year old calling me a f---&@@ cheater. Needless to say lol.
Not funny when it's happening with 12 year olds, a disgrace to the game at any age

Not race baiting?

This occurs everywhere?

[Buckhead]

Did you watch the video?

Ref did nothing wrong.

Yes, I watched the video at least 6 times.

[Buckhead]

wow really?
Buckhead you should grab your skates and whistle and volunteer to do it then. Its people like you that are ruining society. Lets charge a kid with assualt who is trying to make a few extra bucks and doing a community service.

I am ruining society now am I.

I was doin that stuff probably before you were born.

[Buckhead]

Refs beating on little kids.

Hang em high - thats what I say.

[brownbomber]

Not race baiting?

This occurs everywhere?

Race baiting how?

[Lefty-Canuck]

Maybe the little slashing puke forgot he was playing hockey and thought it was lacrosse? :)

LC :)

[BlackHeart]

Refs beating on little kids.

Hang em high - thats what I say.

Keep going....your have 4 more letters to get to from B.

[brownbomber]

Maybe the little slashing puke forgot he was playing hockey and thought it was lacrosse? :)

LC :)

Clever

[Lefty-Canuck]

Clever

When I went to my first lacrosse game (Edmonton Rush) I could not believe how much slashing goes on...then I realized its legal!

LC

[rasbok]

I am ruining society now am I.

I was doin that stuff probably before you were born.


You probably were doing that before I was born, People just like you are ruining society!!!! These kids dont stand a chance with parents like that.

[canadian medic]

you know the difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull lipstick its always the other guy never their little dear sorry that kid was hurt but there was no intent the ref slipped the coach on the other hand should face charges what he did was assault no defence for it and he should be banned from minor sports what example is he showing

[Buckhead]

You probably were doing that before I was born, People just like you are ruining society!!!! These kids dont stand a chance with parents like that.

Prison guards need employment, too.

[Blackice1106]

Everybody lay the blame game. For the little money these refs get paid, if in fact they do, good luck getting refs in the future.

Way too much of this shiat carrying on. Next time maybe the ref should stay out of it,...

My two cents from what I witnessed in the clip. I see refs in the NHL going down with players on occasion as well. This was an unfortunate instance, and that is all.

[BADBOY]

There are no rights here, the player slashing from behind showed he has no respect for other players. The ref I think slipped from my view point. The coach coming off the bench to grab the ref the way he did is an idiot. The player slashing the ref after showed no respect. The parents are total idiots, my heavens that was disgusting in all views.:sad0020:

[Jamie]

I've played my fair share of "native" hockey or whatever term you like and this kinda shenanigans isn't exactly normal but it's far from unheard of. Ridonkulous I know but it's a environment that you better be ready. That said I've experienced just as many hootenannys in regular hockey it's just not as common.
I'm talking like grown men come into our bench to fight and after the game a 7 year old calling me a f---&@@ cheater. Needless to say lol.
Not funny when it's happening with 12 year olds, a disgrace to the game at any age

It is a different game on the reserve. Those boys play for keeps!!
It's always a shock to our parents when we venture out to play these teams.

Jamie

[chasingtail]

Ref was to aggressive in my opinion, should of just let them go at it, no one would of got hurt that way. This brings back memories of playing in Siksika, racial taunting, police escorts out of the arena, and it really sucked getting a penalty as the crowd would gather around and spit on you, thank god the penalty box was enclosed with chicken wire. Boys are boys let them fight.

[Lefty-Canuck]

It is a different game on the reserve. Those boys play for keeps!!
It's always a shock to our parents when we venture out to play these teams.

Jamie

It is indeed...when I was a trainer for the junior team in Bonemont the name "Hobbema" struck fear in the players and the fans...

LC

[Lefty-Canuck]

Ref was to aggressive in my opinion, should of just let them go at it, no one would of got hurt that way. This brings back memories of playing in Siksika, racial taunting, police escorts out of the arena, and it really sucked getting a penalty as the crowd would gather around and spit on you, thank god the penalty box was enclosed with chicken wire. Boys are boys let them fight.

I don't think they are allowed to let 12 year olds "go at it"

LC

[chasingtail]

I don't think they are allowed to let 12 year olds "go at it"

LC

Probably not anymore, still it looked more like a body slam then a slip.

[BeaverHunter]

I don't see anything wrong with what the ref did in trying to stop the kid. And I think that every game that is played someone should be videoing it.

[Dynamic]

Being a ref is truly a thankless job. It's horrible that they go through this crap all the time. Total failure in proper parenting of the slashing kid is the root cause of this.

[Jamie]

Being a ref is truly a thankless job. It's horrible that they go through this crap all the time. .

That's a huge misconception.
Lets just look at the past 8 years
Lets say on average 40 games /year
That's 320 games
I have never seen anything like this. I have never heard parents like this
I have never seen a coach come off the bench
I have seen scrums and some punches thrown
I have only ever seen 2 coaches get thrown

No way do refs go through this all the time.

The vast vast vast majority of hockey games are pretty normal.

With the amount of hockey played in this country, things are going to happen.

Being a ref is not easy. I understand that and I respect the position. You gota be tough to be a ref. those that are do, those that are not, don't.

Jamie

[missingtwo]

When are they going to ban video cameras in these places?

Jamie

This is one statement in this whole thread that I don't understand???

[Jamie]

This is one statement in this whole thread that I don't understand???

Privacy issues?
We did run into some parents complaining about u of c recording one of our games.

Jamie

[missingtwo]

Privacy issues?
We did run into some parents complaining about u of c recording one of our games.

Jamie

Huh, Its peewee at best. It's a good thing someone videoed the game in question. It will save the refs ass, AND prove that the coach assaulted the ref.
Privacy issues??? So, some parents don't want their kids to get a scholarship??? Just decline the offer.
Some parents should only be allowed to watch the games via video.

[Dynamic]

That's a huge misconception.
Lets just look at the past 8 years
Lets say on average 40 games /year
That's 320 games
I have never seen anything like this. I have never heard parents like this
I have never seen a coach come off the bench
I have seen scrums and some punches thrown
I have only ever seen 2 coaches get thrown

No way do refs go through this all the time.

The vast vast vast majority of hockey games are pretty normal.

With the amount of hockey played in this country, things are going to happen.

Being a ref is not easy. I understand that and I respect the position. You gota be tough to be a ref. those that are do, those that are not, don't.

Jamie

I agree that most instances with refs aren't as serious as this. Almost every game I have ever wached, played in, or reffed is full of loser parents, loser players, and loser coaches who believe the ref has it out for them. Parents yelling like a bunch of apes on steroids happened at almost all of my brothers midget games.

[Jamie]

Huh, Its peewee at best. It's a good thing someone videoed the game in question. It will save the refs ass, AND prove that the coach assaulted the ref.
Privacy issues??? So, some parents don't want their kids to get a scholarship??? Just decline the offer.
Some parents should only be allowed to watch the games via video.

U of c was recording for a head contact study. And we are at the Pee Wee level.
Privacy issues are huge. Don't be surprised if this becomes the norm.

Jamie

[HunterDave]

Who won and what was the score? :)

[Jamie]

I agree that most instances with refs aren't as serious as this. Almost every game I have ever wached, played in, or reffed is full of loser parents, loser players, and loser coaches who believe the ref has it out for them. Parents yelling like a bunch of apes on steroids happened at almost all of my brothers midget games.

Sorry, I haven't spent that much time watching Mudget. A chunk of Bantam, but no midget to speak of. Funny though I grew up in a monster hockey environment and I never saw that stuff growing up. And I came from a smaller town in southern Alberta.
Not sure where all this crap is happening. But I do notice that some people allow a few experiances to color how they remember things. We are all guilty if that.

Jamie

[missingtwo]

U of c was recording for a head contact study. And we are at the Pee Wee level.
Privacy issues are huge. Don't be surprised if this becomes the norm.

Jamie

Its a sad day if this is the going to be the norm for minor hockey, or minor sports for that matter.
Parents were worried because an educating establishment wanted to do a study on the way hockey is played. Not change the rules, but do a study. Not, not, not change the rules, the rules. But do a study, a study. Do a study.....
A parent won't be able to video his son's/ daughters game to show their grandparents who can't get to the games. SAD DAY!!!
Maybe take your kids out of organized sports. This statement isn't directed at you Jamie, just the parents that should give their head a shake.

[Jamie]

Its a sad day if this is the going to be the norm for minor hockey, or minor sports for that matter.
Parents were worried because an educating establishment wanted to do a study on the way hockey is played. Not change the rules, but do a study. Not, not, not change the rules, the rules. But do a study, a study. Do a study.....
A parent won't be able to video his son's/ daughters game to show their grandparents who can't get to the games. SAD DAY!!!
Maybe take your kids out of organized sports. This statement isn't directed at you Jamie, just the parents that should give their head a shake.

I don't think the issue is with gramps watching a DVD. It's with stuff that ends up on you tube and in this case CBC.
Personally, I don't care. I tape most of Willys games.

Jamie

[brownbomber]

It is a different game on the reserve. Those boys play for keeps!!
It's always a shock to our parents when we venture out to play these teams.

Jamie

Haha it's even a shock for me at times
Maybe start a thread. Crazy stuff I've experienced in Rez arenas and playing "native hockey".

Some places super chill and great to play, others ...... Pitter patter

[TreeGuy]

Both my kids are in minor hockey. Don't mean to sound like a p*%^k, but it'll be a cold GD day in hell before I let them play res games / tournys. Been there, done that garbage.

I cannot wait until we are no longer affiliated with the game. The decision lies with the kids however......

[missingtwo]

When are they going to ban video cameras in these places?

Jamie


Personally, I don't care. I tape most of Willys games.

Jamie Well, if they ban videos, you won't be taping anymore games.

[Jamie]

Well, if they ban videos, you won't be taping anymore games.

It was a question... Not a statement....
Hence the question mark............

Like I said, someone video taping my kids game doesn't bother me.

Jamie

[brownbomber]

Both my kids are in minor hockey. Don't mean to sound like a p*%^k, but it'll be a cold GD day in hell before I let them play res games / tournys. Been there, done that garbage.

I cannot wait until we are no longer affiliated with the game. The decision lies with the kids however......

You know what's fun? Being the brown kid that plays on a town team and the Rez kids want to kill you, being the "Indian" on a white team in certain arenas, then playing "native hockey" with the kids that wanted to spear you in the nuts a month previous.
Notice how the words change due to location lol.
And no my kids won't be playing across the lake so to speak. It's a different world from my day, they will be fine in town.

[DiabeticKripple]

being a ref is hard. especially when first starting out. the parents are BRUTAL at the novice and atom level. girls hockey is bad too.

as you progress you start to laugh at the coaches/parents yelling at you. after a few years of reffing you develop a thick skin and nothing really bothers you anymore.

i tolerate the ref you suck stuff, but as soon as it gets personal, like calling me and idiot or telling me to read the rule book, that gets you tossed.

i had one coach tell me to read the rulebook, i replied "i have, and im assuming you have too, so you'll know why your going to have leave the arena." look on his face.... priceless!

[HunterDave]

I played my minor hockey in Quebec in the 60's and 70's. I always played on an English speaking team, there was a team from the Reserve and a few French speaking teams. The rivalry was there for sure but there was none of the kind of foolishness going on that happened at this tourney......and I'm talking in 10 or so years of playing. We played hard and mean but what happened on the ice stayed on the ice. Have times really changed that much or is this just an isolated incident that went viral due to the social media/technology of today?

[TreeGuy]

You know what's fun? Being the brown kid that plays on a town team and the Rez kids want to kill you, being the "Indian" on a white team in certain arenas, then playing "native hockey" with the kids that wanted to spear you in the nuts a month previous.
Notice how the words change due to location lol.
And no my kids won't be playing across the lake so to speak. It's a different world from my day, they will be fine in town.



To steal an oilfield phrase, "It is what it is."

Please know that no offense is meant. However, logic / experience / reality will trump political correctness any day of the week.

FWIW, the kids on my kid's teams are a diverse bunch, as are most of the teams. Also both my kids are undersized at this point and play a more skill based game vs aggresive one. Thus they tend to get 'run' often and HARD. Having experiencing the res game first hand, there is no way I am going to expose them to that. Period.

Not racist, just realistic. Very sorry if you take offence to that.

[brownbomber]

Not at all tree. I know you are a man with color tv so to speak.
Yes it is what it is and often true at that.
Yup dump and chase kids to big for the forwards to slow down and the DMen get splattered like a bug on the windshield. Or they take a run from behind their own net and yard sale the puck carrier so bad never mind the gloves, lid, twig his skates are gone too.
Not fun being the smaller team out there.

[GreenCanada]

Big Deal:

The reason this was posted was these children were native, and the poster appears to be race baiting.

A lot of liberals do this on this forum.

I don't tend to agree that was the motivation behind the post, but I can't read OP's mind. I think a large majority of users here are passionate about hockey and that incident, had it happened in a GTA league in Ontario or another minor league in Alberta would have shown up here as well. It was a disgusting display from all involved.

I'm not sure I get what you mean by a lot of liberals do this on this forum? Are you implying that a lot of liberal minded individuals engage in race baiting on this forum? Do you mean to say conservative minded folks don't engage in racist behaviour on here?

I have seen a disgusting amount of racist comments throughout my time as a member of this forum and it unfortunately permeates into topics, for no apparent reason.

Why can't we just see this article and video for what it is? It shows an over reaction/slip by a referee on a player that took a cheap shot at another player, while showcasing a loudmouthed hockey parent more interested in a pay-off lawsuit then teaching her son about sportsmanship.

[TreeGuy]

Not at all tree. I know you are a man with color tv so to speak.
Yes it is what it is and often true at that.
Yup dump and chase kids to big for the forwards to slow down and the DMen get splattered like a bug on the windshield. Or they take a run from behind their own net and yard sale the puck carrier so bad never mind the gloves, lid, twig his skates are gone too.
Not fun being the smaller team out there.

The pond hockey days have left us dinosaurs behind my friend. Going to make an effort to get back to that. Sticks in the center and a couple pair of boots as posts. Mom screaming in the distance to get our arses inside. Fair play determined by the gang, NOT a ref. THAT'S hockey. Not this crap we all seem to be obligated to for some pre-conceived 'greater good' that organized hockey seems to want to shove down our collective throats for thousands of dollars and umpteen hours of commitment. There's too many other things in this world for kids to experience in order to become well rounded human beings. Isn't THAT what our job is as parents as opposed to the dictatorship / ownership that friggin' minor hockey in this country thinks it has on our children?

Uggghhhh. Time for be methinks. I'm rambling. :lol:

[Lefty-Canuck]

Huh, Its peewee at best. It's a good thing someone videoed the game in question. It will save the refs ass, AND prove that the coach assaulted the ref.
Privacy issues??? So, some parents don't want their kids to get a scholarship??? Just decline the offer.
Some parents should only be allowed to watch the games via video.

I agree...amazing how two very different stories are coming out of the SAME video...that video should exonerate the ref of wrong doing and be the nail in the coffin of that coach...and the 12 year old sucker-slasher.

LC

[baitfisher83]

My boyfriend is a minor hockey ref, it's pathetic the kind of bull**** he has to put up with. Some coaches(mostly parents of a kid on the team) all think their kid is going to be the next NHL superstar. Yet very few kids show the ability to get beyond Midget level and are treated like little princess that aren't made to face punishment for stupid acts. I've sat in the stands for many games no and some of the parents are just ridiculous, some expect calls in the weakest crap you can imagine. As if to say, they touched my kid! Kick them out!

I for one thing they shouldn't have banned hitting in Peewee because now they're bringing the learning process of hitting to kids who are 13 and 14 who are going through "The change" and don't use their brains very well. If you can't handle your kid being hit, or have turned him into a self righteous little wiener, don't put him in contact hockey.

As for the ref, yes it's a thankless job, except from a few parents/coaches who have their head on straight and know the refs can't be perfect and aren't supposed to be biased. Believe me there's a few parents in the stands that need a good slap upside the head the way they act. My bf has had to toss a few of them, even in Peewee games, which is pathetic in my opinion, some of these kids are just starting out in hockey. The amount you pay to put your kids in doesn't make you more or less important than anyone else, just let your kid enjoy the game and teach them to respect others/opponents.

[Don K]

That's ridiculous! The parents should wake up and give the kids a smack! It wasn't intentional and maybe next time he will think twice before being an idiot. Karma is a bi**h...
She's getting a lawyer? Seriously? There's better things our tax dollars can be used for like diapers for her little baby!!:angry3:

[baitfisher83]

Oh and about the so called "racial baiting", give it a rest, Kids of all ethnicities pull off stupid stunts like this, the kid isn't exempt because of the color of his skin. That's another problem in today's society, people think they can get away with **** as long as they claim racism.

[NEWB]

The hockey mom, the coach and kid are lacking in class and discipline. I feel sorry for the kid as he is a product of this woman and he has learned that his actions and behaviors are acceptable from his mother. Kids learn by example.

The coach has no excuse for running onto the ice for and attacking the ref.

Perhaps one day this woman will come to her senses, watch the video from an objective view and realize what a class clown she really is. I can only hope that she will start to remedy her behaviors and actions sooner than later and have a positive influence on this kid, the game and how she conducts her self.

The video will exonerate the Ref.

[Nova]

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/ref-who-worked-tourney-cites-serious-abuse-245926911.html

Interesting way to add a bit more perspective to this. I don't know how they handle the scheduling of officials in Winnipeg, but back when I was refereeing we'd get called "saying there's a game available at this time, this rink, and this is the level of hockey". And when you found out after the fact that the game included a team know for issues of this proportion, you either hoped to end up deathly ill that day or tried to pass the game off to somebody else. But in most cases you'd have to at least double the game rate out of your own pocket for whoever was willing to take it off your hands.

[Wazy.338]

Did anyone ever think that the kids arm may have been broken by the numb-nuts who comes rushing off the bench and dog piles the referee ON TOP of the kid?

What a bunch of freakin animals, disgusting.

I like hows she keeps yelling "we got you on camera!"...Little does she know all she got was herself and fellow parents being a perfect example as to why so may kids end up in the orange jumpsuits now-days.

Good on the ref, he did his job - the slip was unintentional, probably should have stolen a stick and started swinging himself.

[RescueDiver]

Agreed...the Ref just slipped while trying to separate the kids. Simple one here.

[DiabeticKripple]

Oh and about the so called "racial baiting", give it a rest, Kids of all ethnicities pull off stupid stunts like this, the kid isn't exempt because of the color of his skin. That's another problem in today's society, people think they can get away with **** as long as they claim racism.

do you happen to live in calgary?

[Ice Fishing Maniac]

So much for Respect in Sport program.

Guess I should of watched the video first. See and read the details....not going to comment anymore or I may be banned.:budo:

Sorry the kid got hurt, but sometime &*(%#$&(T&()* happens!!

[Jamie]

So much for Respect in Sport program.

Guess I should of watched the video first. See and read the details....not going to comment anymore or I may be banned.:budo:

Sorry the kid got hurt, but sometime &*(%#$&(T&()* happens!!

Funny thing is, Manitoba just made it mandatory to take the course for next year.

Jamie

[greywolf]

Funny thing is, Manitoba just made it mandatory to take the course for next year.

Jamie

Which Alberta has incorporated for a couple of years now.

Funny thing is, when Manitoba announced the respect in sport program effective 2014/2015, it was unbelieveable the outcry from some.
This outcry probably comes from the same people in the video and those who condone their behavior.

[Jamie]

Which Alberta has incorporated for a couple of years now.

Funny thing is, when Manitoba announced the respect in sport program effective 2014/2015, it was unbelieveable the outcry from some.
This outcry probably comes from the same people in the video and those who condone their behavior.

Honestly Grey.. I think the course is silly. But perhaps it does help the odd person.
Hockey calgary had a tough time finding hard facts as to the effectiveness of the course.

It's not that big of a deal to take. Change is hard.

As I have said before, the only difference I see is the ability for the bystanders to stand up to any clowns they find at the arenas. It seems the course has empowered people to police themselves.

Jamie

[Mb-MBR]

These two First Nations live in close proximity to one another, about 35 miles apart. I also happened to have a meeting in one of the communities today and got the low down on the incident.

There were less then 3 minutes left in the game and the team dressed in white was losing 5-1. They were beaten by the same team earlier in the tournament. The winner of this game was advancing to the finals. The actual incident that started this melee occurred in the winning teams end, a player was cross checked and penalties were called by the refs. And as seen in the video, the player took a slash at another player on his way to the box.

From there the video takes over.

Apparently parents and coaches took their grievance towards the refs room and attempted to assault the ref further.

I've organized minor hockey tournaments for aboriginal youth for the better part of 18 years and must admit those weekends were the most stressful times in my life!!!! I'd rather face you guys on line or in person, gives you an idea of how stressful they were. I think I'm solely responsible for upwards of 500 kids (maybe more) not making it to the NHL!!!

One of the things we implemented was a coaches/managers meeting to apprise them that abuse of any kind would not be tolerated. we also implemented a two man system for referees along with the two linesman. If games appeared to get out of hand,, I along with the officials would immediately meet with coaches and managers, sometimes while the game was going on to quell any dirty tactics by players or coaches. Teams were also provided an opportunity to appeal any decision provided they paid a 3-400.00 appeal fee.

The only other thing I would add if I were still running the tournament is an official in the crowd with the ability to penalize teams from the stands. It may sound crazy but I think that's what's required to keep parents in check! They're crazy I tell you, when their kid is on the ice.


This tournament has also been going on for a long time and this is the first incident of this kind here, so don't judge by one incident. Unfortunately this tournament is not sanctioned by Manitoba Minor Hockey so any action taken will either be legal or the team/players/coaches will be banned from future tournaments.

Anyone leaving the bench to attack a ref is inexcusable and should not be tolerated at any level.

Sorry for the long post.....

[baitfisher83]

do you happen to live in calgary?

What does where I live have to do with it? the racism excuse is used everywhere to protect hoodlums like this from their actions. Regardless of their race or standing in society.

[DiabeticKripple]

What does where I live have to do with it? the racism excuse is used everywhere to protect hoodlums like this from their actions. Regardless of their race or standing in society.

i asked because you look very familiar to me (assuming thats you in your avi) if you do live in calgary, i have most likely met you and your boyfriend.

is his name Steven?

[baitfisher83]

i asked because you look very familiar to me (assuming thats you in your avi) if you do live in calgary, i have most likely met you and your boyfriend.

is his name Steven?

it is but I don't remember introducing him to anyone off here unless it's a long time ago

[DiabeticKripple]

it is but I don't remember introducing him to anyone off here unless it's a long time ago

ive reffed with him quite a few times. maybe 20 times haha

[Lefty-Canuck]

These two First Nations live in close proximity to one another, about 35 miles apart. I also happened to have a meeting in one of the communities today and got the low down on the incident.

There were less then 3 minutes left in the game and the team dressed in white was losing 5-1. They were beaten by the same team earlier in the tournament. The winner of this game was advancing to the finals. The actual incident that started this melee occurred in the winning teams end, a player was cross checked and penalties were called by the refs. And as seen in the video, the player took a slash at another player on his way to the box.

From there the video takes over.

Apparently parents and coaches took their grievance towards the refs room and attempted to assault the ref further.

I've organized minor hockey tournaments for aboriginal youth for the better part of 18 years and must admit those weekends were the most stressful times in my life!!!! I'd rather face you guys on line or in person, gives you an idea of how stressful they were. I think I'm solely responsible for upwards of 500 kids (maybe more) not making it to the NHL!!!

One of the things we implemented was a coaches/managers meeting to apprise them that abuse of any kind would not be tolerated. we also implemented a two man system for referees along with the two linesman. If games appeared to get out of hand,, I along with the officials would immediately meet with coaches and managers, sometimes while the game was going on to quell any dirty tactics by players or coaches. Teams were also provided an opportunity to appeal any decision provided they paid a 3-400.00 appeal fee.

The only other thing I would add if I were still running the tournament is an official in the crowd with the ability to penalize teams from the stands. It may sound crazy but I think that's what's required to keep parents in check! They're crazy I tell you, when their kid is on the ice.


This tournament has also been going on for a long time and this is the first incident of this kind here, so don't judge by one incident. Unfortunately this tournament is not sanctioned by Manitoba Minor Hockey so any action taken will either be legal or the team/players/coaches will be banned from future tournaments.

Anyone leaving the bench to attack a ref is inexcusable and should not be tolerated at any level.

Sorry for the long post.....

Thanks for the insight, great post!

LC

[Burglecut83]

The player took a cheap shot he got what he deserved. Hopefully he learned from thus but I doubt it.

[densa44]

When my kid played hockey I saw all that and worse. It has nothing to do with race or hockey. It is, I have concluded holding a mirror up to us as humans.

Quoting my son, "hockey doesn't build character, it exposes it".

I wonder what would happen if we didn't keep score in minor hockey games?

[Jamie]

When my kid played hockey I saw all that and worse. It has nothing to do with race or hockey. It is, I have concluded holding a mirror up to us as humans.

Quoting my son, "hockey doesn't build character, it exposes it".

I wonder what would happen if we didn't keep score in minor hockey games?

Wiilys response to this

"Whats the point then, i can play shinny when ever i want, i like to win"

Btw, love your Sons quote.

Jamie

[Mb-MBR]

Glad to see some action was taken by the organizers and responsibility was taken by the leadership. Hope the kid and his parents realize and recognize the importance of doing so.


http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/young-player-coach-suspended-254486211.html

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[nekred]

Nothing is right in that video and all I can say is the ref was put in a bad situation if he stood back and did not intervene he would be cruciifed for inactivity... he steps in and now he is a "bully"....

Dealing with parents is a hard job for coaches and refs who are the buffer between parents and kids....

I have seen some poor reffing lately and that perturbs parents and coaches. People forget the whole point of penalties and that is they are a deterrent for actions that are harmful. Then the next step is suspensions again as a deterrent for potentially harmful actions.

Being a referee is a hard job and I understand when the odd call is missed or the second retaliatory offense is caught and the first one is missed. But when I see lazy refs... ones that don't skate to place themselves where they can see the play/offsides/icing/goals etc.... Thid year I have seen so many in and out goals not being called goals... or where the golie goes down on a puck that is in and pulls it out and ref misses it because he is standing at center with his thumb firmly planted in their butt..... or in one case a ref that decided she looked good in stripes made up like a movie start but could not even skate...only scull around like she was on bobskates and could no9t even get out of the way of the players and stayed with in 2 feet of center line and tried to call the game.... pathetic....Or the 14 year old on apower trip calling the rarest of penalties just to show he read the rule book.... all one sided while the other team is committing genocide...

All of this has made me decide to start reffing. I have respected the role of an official and in our association and even outside I have had refs come up to me during or even after a game to get feedback...because they know I provide it, quietly, honetsy, without any judgement on them as a person. I have also walked by their dressing room on way out and met them and if they have called a fair game I have shook their hand and thanked them again and let them know I thought they did a great job.... if I think otherwise I say nothing.

I happen to coach on the teams my boys play on... Every boy is differnet one is very timid to the point of he needs to get stronger and more aggressive... the other I have to rein in... not that he is a bad kid he just is very strong and protetctive of his goalie... you hit/slash his goalie you will be cleared out... you touch the goalie after the whistle you will get run over by a freight train.... When we are in a position where other team will crash the net when he is on the ice the goalie feels far more comfortable and will make some incredible saves.... but the boy also gets a few penalties. In one conversation I had with a ref after the game he ind of apologised for giving my boy so many penalties that game... (body contact, roughing and interference) I laughed and said he called them as he saw them and I saw them too and that i had to rein him in a bit more. The ref made the comment that after the penalties were served he did not have to worry about players taking a run at our goalie anymore...

There is a code in the game and the code is respect. Unfortunately we have to actually teach that coade to parents that don't understand. When we played many of our parents taught us to skate and how to play. Today I have to teach most kids how to skate because their parents don;t want to tak the time, nor do they have the patience to teach their kids... but when their kid is on the ice they expect him/her to be the superstar.

I have had parenst paying their kid for goals which teaches them to be a puck hog or a goal suck. Parents complain because I get all the kids to learn each position and so when their child is on defense and can't goal suck they get upset. Many parents forget that hockey is a team game. I had one parent upset because they were sure their child scored a goal when they did not and went so far as to yell at the time keeper to ensure their child got credit for the goal... The puck came from a point shot and went off of an oppnent skate into the net not from their child at the side of the net trying to goal suck as he was actually out of position (supposed to be on defense). Oddly enough that same parent has to be coerced into helping out with team which would be so much easier if they would volunteer. That poarent wants their kid to be better so I suggest things they can do at home but they are always "too busy". This same parent had the gall to complain that i was not providing their child enough exclusive attention during a practice and I had to bite my tongue very hard...

Or I explain how the game is a team game in the dressing room and I just explained how we lost the game because one self centered player decided to be a one man show on 7 occasions and got stuffed 6/7 times when he could have passed ahead to a player for a breakaway!....parents come in after the game bragging about how their precious scored a goal on the one successful one man show.Then they come up to me and say that I did a good job coaching because their pecious scored a goal... I only look at the kid and says "he has potential to be good!"... I say this enough in the closed door meetings that the players all know that having potential means you are not there yet!.... So the player gets the message and the self-centred parents think I am paying a compliment when the opposite is true!....

Sorry for the l ong post but had to ut this final statement in perspective....

The vidoe, the altercations, the stupidity are all symptoms of the same disease that is permeating our society in every way. SELFISHNESS!....

[Jamie]

Ok, so I have to ask.. How many times per winter do we see stuff like this?

I can think of 5 times this winter that something hit the news.

I did some quick math. There were approx 25,000 teams that played in Canada last year (minor hockey)

Lets say 40 games per team. That's 1,000,000 games.
Now they have to play someone, so divide by 2.

That's 500,000 games were played from coast to coast over the past 6 months.

Statistically speaking that's .001 of a percent of games that received national attention.

Once again statistically speaking, it's nothing. Major problems do not exist in the large picture.

That being said this should never ever happen and people need to have more respect.

Lets not put too big of a point on this.

Jamie

[nekred]

True good points Jamie... there are altercations in every sport and the extreme end are the tip of an iceberg that shows more underlying problems...

I have seen in Gymnastics now parents are put behind glass or not even allowed to watch practices.... Same with dance classes...etc.

or figure skating remember Harding and Kerrigan!....

Sports also point out great highlights to.... such a joanie Rochette or the golden goal, etc...the summit series, the image of Bobby Orr airborne etc.