Have you ever been to prison for no reason .

[Winch101]

I thought this was an interesting read ,especially the comments .

I know I have never been locked up for nothing , so if your not released
On your own recognizance , Or no bail then what ..


http://www.cbc.ca/thesundayedition/essays/2014/02/23/innocent-until-proven-guilty---not-on-remand/

[Grizzly Adams]

Spent one night in jail, so I can claim experience. :D What should you do, kick everyone out so they can offend again? If you can't get out before your trial usually a very good reason .

Grizz

[rem338win]

The article is babble loosely referring to a study by JHS without any real facts or details. The reasons people are remanded are very good in Canada, and are not in contravention on Sec 7 or 9 (11 is a stretch) of the Charter.
They are over crowded because, now follow this closely, lazy and overpaid defense lawyers use that incarceration for double and triple time plead out their guilty scum clients. That's right. They lawyers will delay proceedings to get the judge they want and the normative time for the offence (at double or triple time) so when they do proceed it is a change of plea and a bargain with the crown.
If you were to remove these cases, remand populations would cut in half over night.
Secondly, if you fail to gain a recognizance, undertaking or bail in this country you are habitual, brutal or just plain stupid. This is pure pinko bleeding heart rhetoric, plain and simple.

[covey ridge]

It is my understanding that in Canada an accused person who is not immediately released on a promise to appear must be brought before a hearing officer. At that point there is an onus on the crown to show cause why the accused should not be released. If the crown does not satisfy the hearing officer the accused will be released prior to trial. I guess that Canadian law which is meant to keep as many people out of lock up prior to trial is not working. Maybe it is the number of cases before the courts that is the reason for the bottle neck and back up? I think that the numbers of innocent people in lock up are few but if there are any it is too many. For the most part I think that if one can not do the time he should not do the crime

[ali#1]

Can't say I have ever been to prison. I did stay in a holiday inn express one time.

[walking buffalo]

Yup.

And I was innocent! :mad0030:

It was Ralph Klein's fault. :oregonian_winesmile

[greylynx]

We need more Better Call Sauls.

People who look after the little guy.

No I have not been to prison because I am as honest they come.

Have I been harassed by the police? Yes on many occasions.

Have I testified against the police? Yes.

Do I know crown prosecutors? Yes.

[fish gunner]

At least a couple of times :sign0176:, but deserved it each and every time. Calgary remand is a cake walk, do what your told and your good. be a ace get put where you act like you belong, till you get there and realize bad life choice at being an ace. "Some folks you just cant reach "

[GWN]

I was a correctional officer in BC and Alberta for better than 9 years total, if I had a nickel for every 'innocent' man who bragged about how he did it as soon as he was convicted I would be a very rich man,

Is the system perfect - no, but the probability of innocent people being arrested is very low, especially given the hassle the arresting officer has to go through first to justify the arrest (complaints, civil suit and or criminal unlawful confinement if he/she is wrong), then to book an offender and then choke down the process of releasing so far as possible, there's a higher probability of the offender committing another crime while the officer is still doing the paperwork after release on his own recognizance or to parents than the offender being innocent

[rwm1273]

Several times.

Only once did I deserve to spend the night, and I had company. Oh what a party.

The rest was thanks to my ex.

[grizz325]

I'm with GWN on this as I built and renovated federal prisons for 7 years in bc and they are only innocent unfilled found guilty than can't wait to tell you about it

[From The Hip]

I have never been in jail/prison up to this part of my life and I am going to keep it that way.

Do I consort with criminals...NO
Do I commit criminal acts.....NO

I am a law abiding tax paying Canadian citizen and I sure as hell dont expect to ever see the inside of a jail cell for anything.

Keep your nose clean and dont get involved with sketchy D-bags and you are fine....also dont do brainless things like drinking and driving and going postal on people over something that is meaningless and not worth the trouble.

Also...never play poker or pool with ANYBODY whose first name is a city...never get involved in married arguements....never get involved with any woman who is overly obsessed with the color pink....and dont screw people over....follow these rules and everything is GRAVY.

FTH

[greylynx]

Interesting thread.

What did you get thrown into the Hooskow for?


excessive consumption of adult beverages
consumption of mind altering substances
gambling
public misconduct where no property damage was involved.
An infraction under Bill C-68

Basically paper crimes.

[CheeseBurger]

Saw the inside of a prison cell....



on a field trip, twenty years ago! :D

[BANG]

Once for about two hrs until they got there facts straight.
Was with someone they where looking for and had no idea they where or would be.
Swat teams are fun!

Another time when i probably did deserve it for public intoxication my dnd i.d earned me a free pass.

[recce43]

military police have no sense of humour when you are drunk and ****ing on there building ..

[Ken07AOVette]

In 1985 I was asleep in the passenger seat of a buddies truck late one night and woke up to flashlights and then handcuffs. The officer that arrested me was my grad escorts Dad. :scared0018:

Turned out the guy driving the truck had been stealing gas with a found key lock key, we weren't very good friends after that.

No charges on me, no guilt by association, nothing on paper and no nooky from the grad date :sHa_sarcasticlol:

[ali#1]

In 1985 I was asleep in the passenger seat of a buddies truck late one night and woke up to flashlights and then handcuffs. The officer that arrested me was my grad escorts Dad. :scared0018:

Turned out the guy driving the truck had been stealing gas with a found key lock key, we weren't very good friends after that.

No charges on me, no guilt by association, nothing on paper and no nooky from the grad date :sHa_sarcasticlol:

That reminded me of a joke I just heard.


A girl is at the kitchen table with her new boyfriend who is meeting the family for the first time, she noticed her boyfriend is being abnormally quiet and whispers what wrong with him. He replies I went to the pharmacy today to get condoms for us later tonight and talked to the pharmacist about which one was better or stronger etc, the girl replies what's that got to do with you being so quiet at dinner. He replies that she didn't tell him her dad was a pharmacist.

[rwm1273]

military police have no sense of humour when you are drunk and ****ing on there building ..

Or riding a broom like a witch across a field. That time they just let us go, but took the broom.

[sewerrat]

Been in Alcratraz once!

[Drewski Canuck]

Show Cause hearing before the Justice of the Peace is the process where release on an Appearance Notice (Promise to Appear) is refused by the Police.

Onus of proof is on the Police opposed to release.

Tri partite test, in layman's terms, is as follows:

1. Is the person likely not to appear in Court if released? Does the Person have Roots in the Community? How long have they resided in the Jurisdiction? Are they employed and for how long? Do they have a history of non appearance to Court (Fail to Appear)?

2. Is the person at risk of re offending if released? Are they involved in the drug trade, a gang, or involved in a domestic situation where there is risk of future contact with the complainant? Have they committed offences when released previously?

3. How strong is the Crown's case? Is this an Offence where a jail sentence is mandatory? Is there an alibi being offered?

I have been dealing with calls from people in Custody for over a quarter of a century now. Much of the time, they are authors of their own misfortune. Don't plead guilty just to get it over. That's how you create a record that the Police rely on to keep you in, even if you are innocent.

The second tragedy is an old record coming back to haunt you. If you have a history, get a pardon before the rules change and you cannot get a pardon. A string of Impaireds from 20 years ago can result in 120 days in Jail, 20 years later.

Anyways, hope the experience wasn't too bad. Usually the RC's will be reasonable with a person in custody who is reasonable. Most of them are just doing their job, so be reasonable with them.

Drewski

[Dr. Phil A]

[QUOTE=Winch101;2335521]I thought this was an interesting read ,especially the comments .

I know I have never been locked up for nothing , so if your not released
On your own recognizance , Or no bail then what ..


You make it sound like you were locked up for something but not nothing.....:scared0018:

[silverdoctor]

Saw the inside of a prison cell....



on a field trip, twenty years ago! :D

Yep, same here. School trip ended at the Don jail in Toronto, teachers thought it would be funny to lock us all up - and it worked. When that door slammed shut, I swore i'd never be behind another set of bars.