New World Record Bighorn Sheep from Alberta 2014

[walking buffalo]

Where will the next WR Bighorn come from, and when?

What will it score?

:innocent:

[Roughneck Country]

Likely Montana or possibly Cadomine. Score .5 to 1 larger than current record

[bdub]

Montana and it will only be 9 years old. From the river breaks. This year. Pickup.

Just a guess

[brohymn2]

Likely Montana or possibly Cadomine. Score .5 to 1 larger than current record

This after I draw that Damn tag:D

[walking buffalo]

Likely Montana or possibly Cadomine. Score .5 to 1 larger than current record

Montana and it will only be 9 years old. From the river breaks. This year. Pickup.

Just a guess


Some good guesses here. :)

[mad mountain mike]

Some good guesses here. :)

What do you know WB?:thinking-006:

[dirty barrel]

I'm gonna say Cadomin. And it will score 209 1/8"

[missingtwo]

Montana and it will only be 9 years old. From the river breaks. This year. Pickup.

Just a guess

I'll go with this.

[walking buffalo]

What do you know WB?:thinking-006:

Nothing.

Ask Dirty. ;)

[bdub]

Nothing.

Ask Dirty. ;)

Ok you big hunk of burning buffalo love, let us have it. The suspense is torture.

[hayseed]

Lol @ wb...

[velcro gloves]

Say there was a winter kill ram that big. Sure would love to see a pic.

[bdub]

I'm gonna say Cadomin. And it will score 209 1/8"

Is it official?

[mightybuck]

yup

[ksteed17]

I'm gonna say Cadomin. And it will score 209 1/8"

I'm going 2/8" bigger than that.

[mightybuck]

sure bigger is always better .lol

[walking buffalo]

I will guess 10 years old and 45+ inch horns.

[cowmanbob]

Where will the next WR Bighorn come from, and when?

What will it score?

:innocent:

Okay,enough suspense already.
Give us the details please.

[dirty barrel]

I was just guessing! Obviously something is going on. Tell us more WB.

[getasheep]

Okay,enough suspense already.
Give us the details please.

Ahem... x2... Please.

[Grizzly Adams]

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[Grizzly Adams]

Will there be one? Hunting pressure is intense and there has to be a limit somewhere .

Grizz

[nube]

The new world record will not be coming from the cadomin area at least not for a very long time. I was utterly disgusted with the number and size of the rams at the mine this year. Was a shame that there are not many big ones left. I think I only saw 2 that I would say would make book even and not over 190"

[ksteed17]

I will guess 10 years old and 45+ inch horns.

Small bases tho 15 5/8"

[Ryry4]

210" and it'll be taken in southern Alberta.

[walking buffalo]

Small bases tho 15 5/8"

That's typical for Cadomin.

But with d-3's measuring over 15", this is going to be impressive.


Hopefully pics will be available for viewing in the morning along with more details....

[ksteed17]

That's typical for Cadomin.

But with d-3's measuring over 15", this is going to be impressive.


Hopefully pics will be available for viewing in the morning along with more details....

Ya frans' ram had some pretty big bases for cadomin, or anywhere really, but most of the rams we saw did have fairly small bases. Hopefully they bring it to the show next year I'd love to see it.

[buckbrushoutdoors]

word on the street is there was a pick up at cadomin and its been officialy scored and beat the old WR Coursen(sp?) ram

[dshaw]

It will come from Montana on the breaks like has already been said but I don't think for another couple years or so.

[Ryry4]

It will come from Montana on the breaks like has already been said but I don't think for another couple years or so.

Nope. Montana can't break the 204" mark. The record will stay in Alberta, where it belongs for a very long time. :)

[Ronji]

I agree, the record will not be leaving Alberta in our lifetime. Until sheep goes on a full draw, it will be tough to break 200. I hunted a lot of years before I even saw and shot a 190. Far to many people combing the hills for them to get that big.

[Torkdiesel]

The word on the street is 209 1/8 from Cadomin. Still waiting to see a picture though. We all know how people talk :)

[Scotty P.]

I'm gonna say Cadomin. And it will score 209 1/8"

X2! Can't wait to see picture of this thing, if it's true.

[dshaw]

The word on the street is 209 1/8 from Cadomin. Still waiting to see a picture though. We all know how people talk :)

Awesome!!!! I guess it will sit in a garage somewhere or in a fish and wildlife office where no one can see it.

[Snowdog]

hit by a black dodge dually on hwy1 above Golden B.C, 209 1/4".

[bonedogg]

any chance its one of these three?

[justhunt]

Awesome!!!! I guess it will sit in a garage somewhere or in a fish and wildlife office where no one can see it.

Oh I think people will get to see it. Wild sheep show red deer 2015

[Ryry4]

Oh I think people will get to see it. Wild sheep show red deer 2015

Well, I may just have to make it back to the show just to see it.

[justhunt]

Well, I may just have to make it back to the show just to see it.

With any luck Ryan. 209 3/8" gross 209 1/8" net after sitting out since late spring 2013 they figure. Still needs to be panel scored by B&C

[Ryry4]

With any luck Ryan. 209 3/8" gross 209 1/8" net after sitting out since late spring 2013 they figure. Still needs to be panel scored by B&C

He could have pushed 215" on the hoof I suspect.

[justhunt]

He could have pushed 215" on the hoof I suspect.

211" for sure

[Ryry4]

211" for sure

215 sounds better.:)

[walking buffalo]

any chance its one of these three?

Definitely a chance. :)


Still waiting for ESRD to officially release the pictures. The Wild Sheep Foundation posted this on their Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/wildsheepfoundationalberta

"Here are some details on the ram found at Cadomin:

Ram was found in the spring of 2014, likely died in the spring of 2013, was exposed to the elements for potentially up to 10 months

Officially scored at 209 3/8" gross, 209 1/8" net

Both sides measure over 45"

First three measurements are over 15", third quarter 10 7/8

SRD is working toward a quick B&C panel score

Check back here as pictures will be posted as soon as they are available!""



From what I have heard, this ram "disappeared" over a year ago and there was some concern as to the circumstances. F&W have been on the hunt ever since. I know a couple of Cadomin tag holders last year that had their fingers crossed that this ram would reappear.

Detective work lead to a search this spring resulting in the ram finally being found, a suspected Grizzly kill. The ram was ten years old and was suspected to score 211 on the hoof.



I wonder if that other ram will end up surpassing this one? :confused0024:

[Roughneck Country]

question, as I am not familiar with F&W and B&C policies, since this was a pick up will the guy that found it get to keep it? Second question will it be accepted in the book as the all time new world record (assuming its large enough) or will it just be a "big pick up" and the last hunter hold the title for the world record. i.e. does it need to be killed by a hunter to be the world record?

[Torkdiesel]

question, as I am not familiar with F&W and B&C policies, since this was a pick up will the guy that found it get to keep it? Second question will it be accepted in the book as the all time new world record (assuming its large enough) or will it just be a "big pick up" and the last hunter hold the title for the world record. i.e. does it need to be killed by a hunter to be the world record?

It will be entered as #1 in the B&C all time books but instead of the hunters name it will say "picked up" and by who if they wish.

[Ryry4]

question, as I am not familiar with F&W and B&C policies, since this was a pick up will the guy that found it get to keep it? Second question will it be accepted in the book as the all time new world record (assuming its large enough) or will it just be a "big pick up" and the last hunter hold the title for the world record. i.e. does it need to be killed by a hunter to be the world record?

F&W will be the owner, not the guy that found it. If the score holds it'll be the new #1. The #1 non-typical white tail is a pick up also.

[Ryry4]

Only 10 years old. Wow, he could have had a few more years left in him. Hopefully he spread his genetics around the mountain before he died.

[Huntnut]

It will be entered as #1 in the B&C all time books but instead of the hunters name it will say "picked up" and by who if they wish.

Yep same as the #1 non-typical whitetail-listed as picked up

Edit-Ryry4 beat me to it

[walking buffalo]

question, as I am not familiar with F&W and B&C policies, since this was a pick up will the guy that found it get to keep it? Second question will it be accepted in the book as the all time new world record (assuming its large enough) or will it just be a "big pick up" and the last hunter hold the title for the world record. i.e. does it need to be killed by a hunter to be the world record?

The WR NT White tailed deer is a pick up.

F&W found the ram. Discussions are happening to decide what to do with it.

The ram would look great in a new display trailer. ;)

[Roughneck Country]

if an average Joe found it they would not be able to get a permit for it? Or is it because of the size? Would be awesome to have this one travel the sheep shows and other venues for a year or two! Hopefully it ends up somewhere a lot of the public can come see it.

If they need a place to store it in the mean time I have a spot on my wall:)

[buckbrushoutdoors]

F&w picked it up on the mine

[Ryry4]

if an average Joe found it they would not be able to get a permit for it? Or is it because of the size? Would be awesome to have this one travel the sheep shows and other venues for a year or two! Hopefully it ends up somewhere a lot of the public can come see it.

If they need a place to store it in the mean time I have a spot on my wall:)

If the average guy found it, on land where you could be you could get a permit and keep it. There was a big ram that was road killed around K-Country a few years ago, F&W gave the guy a permit to keep it. That one is #4 or #5 in the record book I believe.

[Mr. Dynamite]

From what I have heard, this ram "disappeared" over a year ago and there was some concern as to the circumstances. F&W have been on the hunt ever since. I know a couple of Cadomin tag holders last year that had their fingers crossed that this ram would reappear.

Detective work lead to a search this spring resulting in the ram finally being found, a suspected Grizzly kill. The ram was ten years old and was suspected to score 211 on the hoof.



I wonder if that other ram will end up surpassing this one? :confused0024:


Any live pics from photographers or anybody on the net?

[dirty barrel]

any chance its one of these three?


From the pic i've seen it has a striking resemblance to the ram on the top left in this picture

[ksteed17]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/19/tanu7a7a.jpg

[elkhunter1234]

wow

[bobalong]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v45/bobalong/ram2_zps1bc1bae6.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bobalong/media/ram2_zps1bc1bae6.jpg.html)

[Ryry4]

What an incredible ram!!

[fish gunner]

Hope im not bursting any ones bubble . But some one should check out lower arrow lake not the best at scoring sheep by any means. some big unpressured rams roam freely in that area seen a few id say well over 190.

[BBD6]

Heres the ram. everyone is talking about.

[ruger300]

That is a cranker ram. He will look stunning on the wall. Man I bet the ministers draw is gonna sell out this year!

Ruger300

[waterfowler1969]

That is a cranker ram. He will look stunning on the wall. Man I bet the ministers draw is gonna sell out this year!

Ruger300

I bet it will sell low as Big rams are slim picking there as to many have died the last couple years.

[Torkdiesel]

I bet it will sell low as Big rams are slim picking there as to many have died the last couple years.

Ya right. People said that 5 years ago and oh look, another world record ram came out of there. By far the best genetics in the world still.

[Artistic Taxidermy]

Ya right. People said that 5 years ago and oh look, another world record ram came out of there. By far the best genetics in the world still.

x2:)

[waterfowler1969]

Ya right. People said that 5 years ago and oh look, another world record ram came out of there. By far the best genetics in the world still.

Lol. Want to bet on price being lower? When is the last time you were there? Way lower numbers of big rams. I would buy the Montana tag over here any day if you had to hunt cadomin. Montana you actually get to hunt the rams. Here you get to stare at a ton of sheep but it is in a no fly zone waiting on a miracle.

[dirty barrel]

Ya right. People said that 5 years ago and oh look, another world record ram came out of there. By far the best genetics in the world still.

Or at least the best fed sheep in the world.

[saskwhitey]

We saw quite a few rams this year, but only a couple that would approach 190. Still an amazing place to hunt, glad I had the chance.

[ksteed17]

Lol. Want to bet on price being lower? When is the last time you were there? Way lower numbers of big rams. I would buy the Montana tag over here any day if you had to hunt cadomin. Montana you actually get to hunt the rams. Here you get to stare at a ton of sheep but it is in a no fly zone waiting on a miracle.

Have you seen how they hunt the rams in the Missouri breaks? It's a mule deer hunt driving the coulee tops! But you make of it what you want out of it. I had a blast hunting cadomin you get your daily hike in glass some rams and wait it some of the harshest conditions to hunt in. The breaks I'm sure can be the same hike a bit if you want but they're essentially the same.

[hal53]

Have you seen how they hunt the rams in the Missouri breaks? It's a mule deer hunt driving the coulee tops! But you make of it what you want out of it. I had a blast hunting cadomin you get your daily hike in glass some rams and wait it some of the harshest conditions to hunt in. The breaks I'm sure can be the same hike a bit if you want but they're essentially the same.
He's an outfitter who is not happy he cannot get his clients in there.....

[Ultimate Predator]

Wish it was that bad for big sheep I would get drawn easier

[walking buffalo]

Ya right. People said that 5 years ago and oh look, another world record ram came out of there. By far the best genetics in the world still.

Not at all on a couple of accounts. Genetic codes for larger horns does not necessarily mean Better or Best, just bigger.

Check the history of these rams. If it was all about genetics, why were they smaller on average than Southern Rams before the mine existed?



Or at least the best fed sheep in the world.

There we go. That's the answer to the big horns.


I suspect that there will be more attention "paid" to a couple of other rams still living here....

[diamonddave]

He's an outfitter who is not happy he cannot get his clients in there.....

:) He's just cranky period, it doesnt matter which forum he's on, hes always cranky....

[Ryry4]

Lol. Want to bet on price being lower? When is the last time you were there? Way lower numbers of big rams. I would buy the Montana tag over here any day if you had to hunt cadomin. Montana you actually get to hunt the rams. Here you get to stare at a ton of sheep but it is in a no fly zone waiting on a miracle.

I didn't realize that Cadomin was the only place you could hunt sheep in AB. Big rams can come out of other areas too.

[waterfowler1969]

:) He's just cranky period, it doesnt matter which forum he's on, hes always cranky....LOL. :)

I didn't realize that Cadomin was the only place you could hunt sheep in AB. Big rams can come out of other areas too.Not at all and never said that. I just know that Cadomin would not be were I would spend my time with that tag.

[Snap Shot]

The new world record will not be coming from the cadomin area at least not for a very long time. I was utterly disgusted with the number and size of the rams at the mine this year. Was a shame that there are not many big ones left. I think I only saw 2 that I would say would make book even and not over 190"

Phil, I'm depending on this draw for my only chance at a booner. Don't let me down. That's if I get drawn or if outdoor quest gets tags for life.

Following AO from Rome.

[peakseeker]

is this him?

[marlin1]

would this be the ram I saw on the news tonight retrieved near Hinton? Media reported not official record yet

[walking buffalo]

would this be the ram I saw on the news tonight retrieved near Hinton? Media reported not official record yet

Yes. It will need to be scored by a B&C Panel before being declared the new official WR.


A few more pics here. Even the politicians are getting in on this one.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/governmentofalberta/sets/72157637195407395/

[walking buffalo]

is this him?

:happy0034:

When as the picture taken?

[crownb]

Phil, I'm depending on this draw for my only chance at a booner. Don't let me down. That's if I get drawn or if outdoor quest gets tags for life.

Following AO from Rome.

:party0052::party0052::party0052:

[Torkdiesel]

Not at all on a couple of accounts. Genetic codes for larger horns does not necessarily mean Better or Best, just bigger.

Check the history of these rams. If it was all about genetics, why were they smaller on average than Southern Rams before the mine existed?





There we go. That's the answer to the big horns.


I suspect that there will be more attention "paid" to a couple of other rams still living here....

I doubt many of the park rams were heading to the area before the mine attracted all the ewes there too. I also agree that great feed makes a huge difference.

[Torkdiesel]

The new world record will not be coming from the cadomin area at least not for a very long time. I was utterly disgusted with the number and size of the rams at the mine this year. Was a shame that there are not many big ones left. I think I only saw 2 that I would say would make book even and not over 190"

:sEm_oops2:

[Scouter]

The new world record will not be coming from the cadomin area at least not for a very long time. I was utterly disgusted with the number and size of the rams at the mine this year. Was a shame that there are not many big ones left. I think I only saw 2 that I would say would make book even and not over 190"

LMFAO!!!:sign0161::sHa_sarcasticlol:

[Dunezilla]

I heard on the news this morning that the "Alberta Rams are on the decrease & it is mainly do the hunting". I wonder how many anti's picked up on that?

[peakseeker]

:happy0034:

When as the picture taken?

WB. I believe I took that 2 days before season in 2011 or 2012 just before the luscar turnoff. yeah he was a cranker!! he was right under the tunnel.:)

[peakseeker]

nope rephrase had to be 2010 or 2011 when I took that pic. 2012 was the grizz encounter hahaha...it was a year or two before that, we saw a bunch of big rams that year, but he was by far the biggest.

[peakseeker]

so went over more pics with my hunting partner and confirmed I took that pic in the fall of 2012 august 23. wow I didn't even realize I had a worlds record 5 feet from the lens!:sHa_shakeshout:

[bighorn1]

so went over more pics with my hunting partner and confirmed I took that pic in the fall of 2012 august 23. wow I didn't even realize I had a worlds record 5 feet from the lens!:sHa_shakeshout:

are we sure this is the same ram ?

[Snm]

Looks like it could be the same ram. To me anyhow... Just wish there were some better views of the horns

[walking buffalo]

are we sure this is the same ram ?

Absolutely!

[Drop_Tine]

Sure looks like bonedogg has a live pic of the ram aswell , not only just a pic and one of the mist amazing sheep pics I have ever seen !!!

[peakseeker]

are we sure this is the same ram ?

I wondered at first to. But the 4 close rings and dark spot on the bottom of the left horn is a give away to me.

[peakseeker]

Sure looks like bonedogg has a live pic of the ram aswell , not only just a pic and one of the mist amazing sheep pics I have ever seen !!!

Agreed! Awesome pic bonedogg!

[peakseeker]

here is another view.

[bighorn1]

here is another view.

i now see what you are looking at and it definately appears to be the same one.
cool to have pics of this thing on the hoof.

[Ryry4]

Nice to see him on the hoof.

I'd get those pictures copywrited boys.

[ww2269]

looking at a few pics i have i would say for sure that is the ram alive. Funny he only made it til 10yrs. Lots of those rams get a few years older. Horns must have sucked the immunity out of him.

[ovis40]

I doubt many of the park rams were heading to the area before the mine attracted all the ewes there too. I also agree that great feed makes a huge difference.

Go and read what Val Geist has to say about expanding sheep herds, then it will all make sense.

[albertadeer]

Looking back it looks like I might have a few pictures of this big guy...

[livinthedream]

Now that this big boy is dead it would be interesting to hear some stories from hunters/guides that knew about him and had tried to hunt him in the past. Any close calls or did he just never venture off the mine? How about the minister tag holders. Was this ram on your radar? Thanks.

[Huntnut]

From Boone and Crockett

Found Bighorn Misses World's Record Mark
MISSOULA, Mont.--A long winter buried in snow apparently swelled the horns of a bighorn sheep that died of natural causes. The ram was found this spring by Alberta wildlife officials and green-scored as a potential new World's Record.

Following the Boone and Crockett Club's mandatory 60-day drying period, the ram's horns lost an astounding four inches in net score. The original scorers reconvened to find that every measurement was smaller on both horns.

Still, with a final score of 205-7/8, the ram ranks No. 5 all time. It has been entered into Boone and Crockett records on behalf of the citizens of Alberta.

The reigning World's Record, taken by a hunter in Alberta in 2000, stands at 208-3/8.

"Though it's not a World's Record, it is another tremendous specimen symbolic of continuing, successful conservation programs. For that, we congratulate Alberta wildlife officials," said Richard Hale, chairman of the Club's Big Game Records Committee.

Hale added, "Biologists speculate this latest ram died of old age in early summer 2013, so the horns were exposed to the elements through the remainder of summer, all fall and all of a wet, snowy winter. Apparently, the horns absorbed an incredible amount of moisture, because four inches of shrinkage during the 60-day drying period is very rare."

The Boone and Crockett Club, long recognized as the leading authority on big-game recordkeeping, requires air drying all trophies at habitable room temperature for 60 days immediately prior to final scoring. It's a rule made precisely for this kind of situation.

"By standardizing the scoring process as much as possible, we ensure the credibility of our records. That's very important for the biologists who use these data to compare and contrast outstanding habitat, strong recruitment into older age classes, sustainable harvest objectives and other elements of sound wildlife management. It's also important to sportsmen in that all trophies are being treated as equally as possible," said Hale

[Ryry4]

I'm really surprised it shrank that much.

Still a monster ram regardless though.

[albertadeer]

I'm really surprised it shrank that much.

Still a monster ram regardless though.

It's like it was put in a dehydrator... Huge shrinkage!


Still a world class ram from the province I'm proud to call home since birth.

[Hooter]

Now that this big boy is dead it would be interesting to hear some stories from hunters/guides that knew about him and had tried to hunt him in the past. Any close calls or did he just never venture off the mine? How about the minister tag holders. Was this ram on your radar? Thanks.

Yeah, I'd like to hear from people that knew about this ram and/or hunted it. I'm sure it was all hush-hush before it died, but now it would be interesting to hear of some close encounters.

[Pony]

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[BackPackHunter]

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[pikeslayer22]

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