Calgary Craphole Politics

[Winch101]

The people who built a 25mil foot bridge are crying too much
For West Ring Road .
I moved out of there after the foot bridge fiasco and the election
Of Justine's best friend Naheem .

After millions spent , 4 councillors are now against it . The real reason
These roads give the west side reserve easy access to a lot of Cowtown
Mucky mucks million dollar neighbour hoods .

Who thinks like that ,the cow manure elite . Nenshi no comment .
Dru " Duh " Farrell makes Allison seem like a good person .

Big City What a Pity .....


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/southwest-ring-road-not-a-good-investment-say-calgary-councillors-1.2643060

[DiabeticKripple]

we need this ring road. would be absolutely stupid to not do it.

[CaberTosser]

They seem to insinuate that the city would cease to grow without the ring road, what a bunch of maroons! Druh Farrell hasn't been in touch with reality... well, perhaps ever. You know its for the good of the city if she's against it, and vise versa if she's in favor of it. That they think an LRT line is a better investment is ludicrous and pegs them as a bunch of socialists

[nick0danger]

That ring road was planned long before most of those homes where built, not my fault people neglected to check zoneing maps before buying/building. That ring road has to happen, would do alot for traffic more than some people think.

[walking buffalo]

The people who built a 25mil foot bridge are crying too much
For West Ring Road .
I moved out of there after the foot bridge fiasco and the election
Of Justine's best friend Naheem .

After millions spent , 4 councillors are now against it . The real reason
These roads give the west side reserve easy access to a lot of Cowtown
Mucky mucks million dollar neighbour hoods .
Who thinks like that ,the cow manure elite . Nenshi no comment .
Dru " Duh " Farrell makes Allison seem like a good person .

Big City What a Pity .....


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/southwest-ring-road-not-a-good-investment-say-calgary-councillors-1.2643060


I never would have guessed the "Real reason" on my own, thanks for the insight.




They seem to insinuate that the city would cease to grow without the ring road, what a bunch of maroons! Druh Farrell hasn't been in touch with reality... well, perhaps ever. You know its for the good of the city if she's against it, and vise versa if she's in favor of it. That they think an LRT line is a better investment is ludicrous and pegs them as a bunch of socialists


The lack of a transportation corridor in the SW has stalled city growth, in the SW. Once the RR is completely confirmed to proceed the development permits for west of 37th st. and north of 22x will get the green light. This area has not been built yet only due to the RR issue.

This is one of the difficulties the Tsuu T'ina faced with regards to the RR. The approval of the road will result in major city growth on the reserve's north and south borders, and the inevitable pressure for another connector between 22x and 8 east of Bragg Creek. Our grandkids will have to physically set foot in Kananaskis before getting out of the suburbs. Progress is great. :thinking-006:

[From The Hip]

Just another chapter of STUPID by city council with the main idiots being DUH Farrel and Nenshi......25 million for an un-needed but decorative feel good foot bridge with 18 months of construction completion delays = a good spending of tax payers money...same goes for the 10 million "bike project" that will actually cost 19 million in the long run and be a hurtfull PITA to all motorists but it is OK as it will pander to the 1% crowd that ride a bike to work from Kensington/Sunnyside/Hillhurst/Mt Royal etc.

In the grand scheme of things if you as a Calgary tax payer actually THINKS city council has a say you are delusional.The people that make the choices and force them upon the tax payers are the pencil pushing managers at silly hall.Good example is the pathetic street cleaning this year....pathetic street cleaning combined with construction that does not need to be done but it gets done so the budget space does not vanish.

And all the while the substandard work is being done by overpaid and underworked unionized civic employees whilst the tax payers get hit with 5% year over year tax increases...you have to wonder if the year over year tax increases actually are needed with regards to services or if they are to pay for the legacy costs for the civic employee pensions.Detroit ran into this and Detroit went BANKRUPT.How long till Calgary goes down that same road?

FTH

[DiabeticKripple]

the amount of traffic that the road will take off hwy 8, glenmore, crowchild, 14th st, anderson, macleod and hwy 1 will be huge.

the people coming from okotoks/high river wont have to take macleod, glenmore and crowchild to get to the northwest corner.

people coming from out east in springbank wont have to use hwy 8....

this list goes on..

[JB_AOL]

The funny part is... It doesn't matter how much these guys cry.. The SW Ring road WILL be built. Municiple gov't is NOT responsible for this. It is a provincial thing.

The road will be built in two parts, the "west"part that is north of the reserve, and then the SW part (reserve). The west part is going for tender within a couple months. That way they don't have to sit and wait til the reserve land transfer is finalized. And by finalized, I mean the actual transfer happens (not the agreement).

Interestingly enough, most of these alderidiots were for the air port tunnel.. Guess how much that is going to cost the city to finish?? (hint.. It's more than the $133 mil).

[roughneckin]

I never would have guessed the "Real reason" on my own, thanks for the insight.

The lack of a transportation corridor in the SW has stalled city growth, in the SW. Once the RR is completely confirmed to proceed the development permits for west of 37th st. and north of 22x will get the green light. This area has not been built yet only due to the RR issue.

This is one of the difficulties the Tsuu T'ina faced with regards to the RR. The approval of the road will result in major city growth on the reserve's north and south borders, and the inevitable pressure for another connector between 22x and 8 east of Bragg Creek. Our grandkids will have to physically set foot in Kananaskis before getting out of the suburbs. Progress is great. :thinking-006:

Development west of Calgary will stall very soon as Springbank has ensured Calgary it will never allow annexation and has put into place essentially a no suburb policy to ensure it's acreages stay that way. The folks in Springbank have a lot of pull too in Calgary...This is why most of the development of recent years has been to the other directions.

Does no one else think that $5billion is a tad bit extreme? We can build 3 Oil Sands plants for that, but at least that's not government money.

[JB_AOL]

Development west of Calgary will stall very soon as Springbank has ensured Calgary it will never allow annexation and has put into place essentially a no suburb policy to ensure it's acreages stay that way. The folks in Springbank have a lot of pull too in Calgary...This is why most of the development of recent years has been to the other directions.

Wrong direction.. Springbank is considered SW, but really is more West.

He's talking about between 22x & fishcreek, and west of 37th. IE south of the reserve.

Although I agree (re:springbank), and the city will have even more issues going south of 22x west of spruce meadows (priddis area). Lots of old money there also.

Does no one else think that $5billion is a tad bit extreme?

Not really. Considering the sensitive areas in that corridor, the land costs, the complexity of some of the overpasses required & that cost also includes the maintenance for 30years. Basically the SW RR has the most challenges out of all the quarters of the ringroad.

The largest thing (IMHO), is that it's not going to get cheaper to build. The road is desperately needed, if not now, definitely in the not to distant future. Not to mention, Calgary will look like a bunch of idiots if they don't complete a "ring road".

FYI, the airport tunnel will cost upwards of $300 million for 620m. And that was built on bare open land (ie. construction was stupid easy).

[roughneckin]

Wrong direction.. Springbank is considered SW, but really is more West.

He's talking about between 22x & fishcreek, and west of 37th. IE south of the reserve.

Although I agree (re:springbank), and the city will have even more issues going south of 22x west of spruce meadows (priddis area). Lots of old money there also.


Not really. Considering the sensitive areas in that corridor, the land costs, the complexity of some of the overpasses required & that cost also includes the maintenance for 30years. Basically the SW RR has the most challenges out of all the quarters of the ringroad.

The largest thing (IMHO), is that it's not going to get cheaper to build. The road is desperately needed, if not now, definitely in the not to distant future. Not to mention, Calgary will look like a bunch of idiots if they don't complete a "ring road".

FYI, the airport tunnel will cost upwards of $300 million for 620m. And that was built on bare open land (ie. construction was stupid easy).

The minister said it was 5Billion just to construct, no maintenance was included. The multiple bridges I understand are quite extensive for sure and the area is sensitive, but we all know it won't stay at just 5 billion. Has any project stayed within budget that Calgary has completed?
Although I agree that we do need it, not only to save face, but that it is good to have for traffic congestion as well it seems quite expensive at the moment while everyone complains about a $9 million bike path.

[JB_AOL]

The minister said it was 5Billion just to construct, no maintenance was included.

That's the thing, maintenance is always included in these bids, as that is how they bid them. Whenever a major road is built, the "construction" costs include 30 (it may even be 50 on some projects) years of maintenance.

And to be honest, why the minister let out that the road would cost 5billion without even sending the project out to tendors is beyond me..

If I (working as a PM at an EPCM), told all my pipeline contractors, this is what we estimate this pipeline to cost, now give me your best price..

do you really think they are going to give their best bid?

If I was one of the tenders, I'd bid north of 5 billion. Whereas if the tenders were going in blind, they'd probably give a proper estimate.

[JB_AOL]

complains about a $9 million bike path.

That's a different issue.. Everyone is complaining because at best there is 2200 people commuting downtown per day (that is from all directions), but that number drops drastically in the winter (basically oct-apr) to less than 100.

Not to mention the reduced road capacity for cars.

I think the bike lanes are a good idea, but they need to pick secondary roads, which is the way it is going now.. using one lane on mcleod was retarded.

One person suggested seasonal bike lanes, which would be an awesome idea. Turn them back into bike lanes from May 1 -oct.1.

[roughneckin]

That's a different issue.. Everyone is complaining because at best there is 2200 people commuting downtown per day (that is from all directions), but that number drops drastically in the winter (basically oct-apr) to less than 100.

Not to mention the reduced road capacity for cars.

I think the bike lanes are a good idea, but they need to pick secondary roads, which is the way it is going now.. using one lane on mcleod was retarded.

One person suggested seasonal bike lanes, which would be an awesome idea. Turn them back into bike lanes from May 1 -oct.1.

I like the idea of seasonal lanes as well, and during summer though those 2200 folks pay the same taxes as everyone else, probably more, so hopefully they get a little something too. Pretty sure those riding in won't be using the SW ring road to get into downtown everyday so aren't getting much back for their $5 Billion over there. Give and take is good and hopefully everyone wins. The majority doesn't always hopefully get what they want or this entire city would just be one big freeway.

[roughneckin]

That's the thing, maintenance is always included in these bids, as that is how they bid them. Whenever a major road is built, the "construction" costs include 30 (it may even be 50 on some projects) years of maintenance.

And to be honest, why the minister let out that the road would cost 5billion without even sending the project out to tendors is beyond me..

If I (working as a PM at an EPCM), told all my pipeline contractors, this is what we estimate this pipeline to cost, now give me your best price..

do you really think they are going to give their best bid?

If I was one of the tenders, I'd bid north of 5 billion. Whereas if the tenders were going in blind, they'd probably give a proper estimate.

So the person that builds it bids the maintenance for the next 30-50 years? Do they include inflation and such in that? Are they held to that amount or can it change? Honest question not trying to be a smart ___.

[JB_AOL]

So the person that builds it bids the maintenance for the next 30-50 years?/QUOTE]

Yes.

[QUOTE]Do they include inflation and such in that? Are they held to that amount or can it change? Honest question not trying to be a smart ___

I am unsure of this part, but being how retarded it is that the person that builds the road is guaranteed the maintenance, I imagine there is some clause in there that if inflation exceeds blah blah blah.. then they are able to renegotiate.

I never understood this concept of build/maintain bidding, as in my mind it means they can build a sub-par road, as long as they maintain it (ie:keep it flowing).

It's just another case of the bidders have their hands in the politicians pants, and the politicians are to scared to change it.

[Red Bullets]

Gotta love politics.

The minister's 5B quote probably is based on TFWs to build it all with shovels, picks and wheelbarrows.

[roughneckin]

[QUOTE=roughneckin;2435832]So the person that builds it bids the maintenance for the next 30-50 years?/QUOTE]

Yes.



I am unsure of this part, but being how retarded it is that the person that builds the road is guaranteed the maintenance, I imagine there is some clause in there that if inflation exceeds blah blah blah.. then they are able to renegotiate.

I never understood this concept of build/maintain bidding, as in my mind it means they can build a sub-par road, as long as they maintain it (ie:keep it flowing).

It's just another case of the bidders have their hands in the politicians pants, and the politicians are to scared to change it.

Yup that is odd. I would be building a crap road so I can take care and maintain that crap road for a long time!! If you build it too well you won't be able to bill anything.