anti-semitism on the rise?

[rugatika]

The last several years I have noticed a disturbing trend of people openly bashing jews. It seems to be getting more and more blatant. Currently, a Synagogue in Paris is under attack with people trapped inside, but I can't hardly find it on the news anywhere. http://www.timesofisrael.com/clashes-in-paris-as-thousands-march-against-israel-offensive/



Then....there's this deeply disturbing twitter thingy that briefly surfaced ... (and be forewarned...it is extremely anti-Semitic) http://www.boston.com/news/nation/2014/07/12/pro-hitler-hashtag-briefly-trends-twitter/jtX3GtqTk2oDEuynLi02TP/story.html

[Smokey]

I think its always been there, its less hidden.

I believe aot of people are turned off because of the situation in Israel, and can't differentiate between being Jewish and Zionism.

The same unmerited garbage that led to holocost was for years was hidden is coming out. Your hearing the same things about money, political power with the EU being in a perpetual toilet. This is leading to radical nationalism and blaming minorities such a Jews and Roma for societal issues. These prejudices did not go away, they were just taboo for 70 years.

I wish the world could just drink some Coke and sing at the top of the hill personally.:sHa_shakeshout:

[Grizzly Adams]

This Israeli , Palistinian thing always brings the Liberal anti Semites out. Poor deprived people being oppressed by the wicked Jews. Fact that they're firing rockets at innocent civilians from houses and mosques, well that's irrelevant. :D

Grizz

[richard steinberg]

100% agree Grizz

[greylynx]

Hating Jews has gone beyond the flavour of the week with the Obama crowd.

It has become downright trendy, with Obama's reverend Sharpton speaking like the little guy with the moustache.

This is something that should be monitored very closely like gun ownership.

[Smokey]

This Israeli , Palistinian thing always brings the Liberal anti Semites out. Poor deprived people being oppressed by the wicked Jews. Fact that they're firing rockets at innocent civilians from houses and mosques, well that's irrelevant. :D

Grizz

Its not anti semitism if you disagree with whats transpiring in Israel.

I don't agree with some of it, and am ok with saying it. I'd still buy Jewish bagels and watch bad Adam Sandler movies and wish everyone a happy hannukah.

[Fredo]

It's more zionism on the rise, which generates anti-antisemitism.

[BeeGuy]

Anti-Islam good.

Anti-Semite bad.

Why is that?

[rugatika]

Anti-Islam good.

Anti-Semite bad.

Why is that?

One is willing to co-exist with the other, one is not.

One seeks peace, one seeks extermination of the other.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etDb5tXPawc

Just one example of many.

And of course, I will add the usual disclaimer, that I am not referring to Islam specifically (you interjected that)...only those that seek the extermination of the Jewish people.

[coolpete1]

i dont think occupation and settlements are good show of coexistance . looks more like a slower genocide to me.

[BeeGuy]

That is a mighty wide brush.

Why do so many people hate Jews?

There is so much needless violence in the world.

[BeeGuy]

i dont think occupation and settlements are good show of coexistance ? looks more like a slower genocide to me.

I know if someone bulldozed my house, refused me work and gave everyone else work instead, closed my shops, put guns in my face when I couldn't defend myself, and then corralled me with members of my own race and religion, I would be a:


A) jew in 1933.

B) Palestinian in 2014.

C) All of the above.

[BeeGuy]

I was a little slow on the take, but now realize this is just our daily anti-islam thread.

Carry on.

[ali#1]

I know if someone bulldozed my house, refused me work and gave everyone else work instead, closed my shops, put guns in my face when I couldn't defend myself, and then corralled me with members of my own race and religion, I would be a:


A) jew in 1933.

B) Palestinian in 2014.

C) All of the above.

So many people just think Israel is innocent of all and the Muslims are guilty because they are Muslims.

[purgatory.sv]

True but how as an individual can I influence a result?

In a past life I did participate, but it was corrupted by lobbyist.

I believe I know what is good, but have found it difficult to influence others.

As long as my posturing is aggressive result can be gained…

I am not employed in a conventional position.

If I do not address who I meet in a positive way I don’t get my spoils.

At this time I recycle.

[FishingMOM]

This Israeli , Palistinian thing always brings the Liberal anti Semites out. Poor deprived people being oppressed by the wicked Jews. Fact that they're firing rockets at innocent civilians from houses and mosques, well that's irrelevant. :D

Grizz

Grizz I will respond on behalf of my friends who live and work in Isreal.

They aren't firing rockets at innocents.

The Isreali military is placing a phone call upto 10 minutes prior to a rocket being launched warning people to get out of a particular location.
They also do something call "knock on the roof" where after they place a call, they send a low impact rocket and wait 60 seconds to allow for evacuation.

The Palistians are using human shields, their rockets launchers are built on top of homes, hospitals, schools ect so they they can use women and children as shields.

Instead of evacuating after getting a warning they are putting people in the line of fire.

[wolf308]

Read Revelations Chap 2:9 and 3:9 from the Bilbe ........ might explain whos hoodwinking us stupid Goyim

[Matt L.]

A few people need to realize that the conflict over there did not start in 1948.

[Stumpjumper]

This Israeli , Palistinian thing always brings the Liberal anti Semites out. Poor deprived people being oppressed by the wicked Jews. Fact that they're firing rockets at innocent civilians from houses and mosques, well that's irrelevant. :D

Grizz

:sHa_sarcasticlol::snapoutofit:

[dumoulin]

I'm unsure as to why a group of people such as they have been hated for so long. I can understand why they were persecuted in the Middle East in the recent past as it is religious and over land claim...or perhaps that's what it's always been about. Seems to me there's a lot of anti this and anti that over there and neither of them boys want to play nice in the sandbox (no pun intended). Looks like they have to do a little soul searching and stop asking "what we have the right to" and ask themselves "what should we do to peacfull end this". ...the Hatfields and McCoys.

[Grizzly Adams]

I was a little slow on the take, but now realize this is just our daily anti-islam thread.

Carry on.

You have an alternative ? Once you take all the superficial distractions out of the Middle East conflicts, it comes down to a Moslem Crusade.

Grizz

[Winch101]

Usually like to comment on these political threads .

But, this is just another Religious conflict , for the Gazillionth time ,

Religion is killing people . As before , when the body count gets high enough

Both sides will either retreat or really get at it . For the Arabs ,will Putin

Step up , my money's on the Jewish people ......they have a lot of getting even

To get even ....As for bringing the Bible into this , just one. Of two insanity

Instruction booklets that fuel this stupidity ...

[dumoulin]

I love (organized) religion. It makes everyone feel like they are right and any other POV is wrong. I guess most people haven't found spirituality...

[Matt L.]

Here we go again...

[Winch101]

Dumoulin ,I'm not sure what you mean by Spirituality , and how
That would affect this situation ....

Thnx W101

[Okotokian]

This Israeli , Palistinian thing always brings the Liberal anti Semites out. Poor deprived people being oppressed by the wicked Jews. Fact that they're firing rockets at innocent civilians from houses and mosques, well that's irrelevant. :D

Grizz

You should have read the post above you first. As Smokey said, some people can't differentiate between Jews and Zionism or Israel.

[nekred]

I had the opportunity to talk with both an Isreali and a Palestinian.

Both had very similar stoires, neither talked about religion, but the level of hate was palpable that they had for each other. I spoke with them on two seperate occasions but the Isreali's comment stuck with me... we are a nation of 8 million between an enemy of 100 million and an ocean and if we lose we will only lose once after throwing every weapon gainst our enemies.

When I explained that here in Canada we do our best to get along regardless of differences and the Isreali responded with... You don;t want thoise Palestinians here they , are greedy, shifty, dishonest people that have no sense of honour.....

Then conversation with Palistinian..... They have 8 million enemies surrounding their homes and they have no prospects for jobs etc. They cannot farm or feed themselves, and are cut off from their friends.

I asked why they could not get along like we do in Canada... the answer was...You don;t want those Isreali's here they , are greedy, shifty, dishonest people that have no sense of honour.....

Thousands of years of hate is not going to go away....

If they could all get along in the Middle East it would be a tourist paradise, beautiful weather, gorgeous women, lots of history and sights to see complete with Palm trees. The Mediterranean is beautiful as well and if only they did not fight one could go see the Cradle of Western civilization.

Religion is just an excuse to give meaning to pre-existing deep seated hatreds....

[dumoulin]

Dumoulin ,I'm not sure what you mean by Spirituality , and how
That would affect this situation ....

Thnx W101

No matter which religion you can name, all their leaders claim they are the only ones wielding truth and righteousness. Meanwhile the most striking common thread amount them all is the push for positive relationships with others and a higher power.

[pikergolf]

Religion is just an excuse to give meaning to pre-existing deep seated hatreds....

This is the unfettered truth of the matter, the haters place themselves in a position of influence and use the sheep to further their causes.

[Matt L.]

"Modern spirituality" is essentially denying God while at the same time believing in Him.

[greylynx]

I was a little slow on the take, but now realize this is just our daily anti-islam thread.

Carry on.

No it is not Beeguy.

This forum is very multicultural.

We hate everyone.

Everyone that does not own a gun, a dog, and a fishing rod.

And anyone who wants to take them away.

And as for all the world's problems...it is due to those sneaky Scots.

Yup it has to be those darn Scots.:sHa_shakeshout:

Those sneaky Scots have snuk around the globe breeding local wimmin and creating havoc. Darn it anyway.:)

[dumoulin]

"Modern spirituality" is essentially denying God while at the same time believing in Him.

That's an interesting point...but what does believing in Him mean if you ARE spiritual...going to church, bible studies, three hour lectures??? Been down that road!

[dumoulin]

No it is not Beeguy.

This forum is very multicultural.

We hate everyone.

Everyone that does not own a gun, a dog, and a fishing rod.

And anyone who wants to take them away.

And as for all the world's problems...it is due to those sneaky Scots.

Yup it has to be those darn Scots.:sHa_shakeshout:

Those sneaky Scots have snuk around the globe breeding local wimmin and creating havoc. Darn it anyway.:)


Bhaaaaaaahaaaaa!

[Winch101]

I have met are ambivalent to the Israeli problem or so theatrical you have trouble believing what you are hearing . One million six hundred and eighty
Thousand Palestinians live in 360 square Kms ....nice must be a lot like Edmonton ( joke ) . They believe if they antagonize the Jews enough that all
Other Arabs will come to their rescue ......that might happen ....but the sensible
Arabs know that in a fair fight they are screwed . We could get dragged into
Another World War .....Not likely .....I think the story about the Jews dragging
Out their lawn chairs to watch the bombings pretty well says it all , middle
East contact sport .....

On a another note .You can be Atheist and spiritual .The idea that you cannot
Be moral or loving , caring , without venerating a greater power or super natural being is rediculous . We are human ,we are built like that , I mean those of us who are a result of Evolution . The newer , created ones are pretty mixed
up .

[darwix]

I am a Muslim. Here is the main problem. ZIONISTS want a state, a land that DOES NOT BELONG TO THEM. Here is a video for some to understand the history:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=746250012093295

Why should the Palestinians back out when it is their own land? They cut off their water yesterday, but guess what? they dont show you this on the news. They cut off tons of aid going into Gaza.. and they claim to care about civilians? Well guess what? THEY DONT GIVE A S*** .. Dont belive me? Here:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1468443226735604

Some words from the former president Jimmy Carter

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152136038346104

Interesting how FOX News put a picture of Gaza bombed and stated Israel was the victim here (Please don't tell me they make mistakes like this):

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/10532361_10154383576785444_7533267611223375653_n.j pg

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10204285011353998&fref=nf

Other videos:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152076408426706
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152229452732507

Note that NONE of this videos has one Muslim speaking. They are all either Jewish or non-muslim speakers.

You ask why the arabs dislike the Jews? Would you be ok with someone placing a random family in your home and have them eat your food, take your water and leave you without anything?

There is extremists in every religion, and trust me us Muslims dislike them as much as you do because they might say they are doing it in the name of our religion but they are doing it in the name of hate, just like the ZIONISTS. They are both exactly the same.

[Grizzly Adams]

I am a Muslim. Here is the main problem. ZIONISTS want a state, a land that DOES NOT BELONG TO THEM. Here is a video for some to understand the history:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=746250012093295

Why should the Palestinians back out when it is their own land? They cut off their water yesterday, but guess what? they dont show you this on the news. They cut off tons of aid going into Gaza.. and they claim to care about civilians? Well guess what? THEY DONT GIVE A S*** .. Dont belive me? Here:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1468443226735604

Some words from the former president Jimmy Carter

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152136038346104

Interesting how FOX News put a picture of Gaza bombed and stated Israel was the victim here (Please don't tell me they make mistakes like this):

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/10532361_10154383576785444_7533267611223375653_n.j pg

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10204285011353998&fref=nf

Other videos:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152076408426706
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152229452732507

Note that NONE of this videos has one Muslim speaking. They are all either Jewish or non-muslim speakers.

You ask why the arabs dislike the Jews? Would you be ok with someone placing a random family in your home and have them eat your food, take your water and leave you without anything?

There is extremists in every religion, and trust me us Muslims dislike them as much as you do because they might say they are doing it in the name of our religion but they are doing it in the name of hate, just like the ZIONISTS. They are both exactly the same.

Let's just say, as a Canadian and citizen of the world, I feel a lot safer and more comfortable that the Israelis control Palestine rather than the other guys. Just look at Egypt, a golden opportunity to prove what a real democracy could do, till it was hijacked by the Muslim Brotherhood. You can cry me a river, but till the Palestinians give up on suicide bombers and random terrorist attacks, they're going to stay in the Wilderness.

Grizz

[Winch101]

I feel the Israelis are justified in their attacks ....the governing body
Of Palestine is recognized throughout the world as a first rate Terrorist
Organization. Hardly good neighbours .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

2002 was a particularly strong year for Hamas

The Jews blew it in 67 , should have cleaned out the whole area , but no
They have to listen to those Brits .....and back off . Sorry now I guess ,

[BeeGuy]

I feel the Israelis are justified in their attacks ....the governing body
Of Palestine is recognized throughout the world as a first rate Terrorist
Organization. Hardly good neighbours .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

2002 was a particularly strong year for Hamas

The Jews blew it in 67 , should have cleaned out the whole area , but no
They have to listen to those Brits .....and back off . Sorry now I guess ,

Not sure what you mean by "clean out the whole area".

Could you clarify?

[coolpete1]

I feel the Israelis are justified in their attacks ....the governing body
Of Palestine is recognized throughout the world as a first rate Terrorist
Organization. Hardly good neighbours .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

2002 was a particularly strong year for Hamas

The Jews blew it in 67 , should have cleaned out the whole area , but no
They have to listen to those Brits .....and back off . Sorry now I guess ,
actually they are only terrorist to governments friendly to israel, russia , france and many others see israel as the terrorists. looks to me like they took a page out of hitlers book and are using it on the palestinians.

[greylynx]

Not sure what you mean by "clean out the whole area".

Could you clarify?

He means what eastern Canada would like to do to us Albertans.

[Winch101]

There is likely some truth in this .......


http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/3671424003001


There's a little ditty in here about Canada's contributions to terrorism .


http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/prime-time/867432237001/peace-in-the-middle-east/3671284552001

[BeeGuy]

He means what eastern Canada would like to do to us Albertans.

Beeguy thinks your association between israel exterminating the arabs, and eastern canada exterminating albertans is an appropriate, accurate and reasonable supposition.

[From The Hip]

I dont get it personally.99% of the time racism is based on skin color and for the most part Jewish people are white like me(obvious exceptions like Sammy Davis Junior etc) but for the most part jews are white.So what is with the idea of white people hating white people?Obviously it is a different situation with regards to Arabian VS Jews.To say the least the whole middle east is pretty screwed up in general thanks to the USA foreign policy in the last 60 years.

To me it comes down to religion and I dont give a rats AZZ about that.I was raised a Catholic but do I shun people who proscribe to Judaeism or Islam or some other ideology....seems pretty stupid to do so.

I had a friend stay at my home a couple of years ago for a week and the second day of his stay he started spouting off mindless conspiracy theories about how Isreal was responsible for 9/11.....after 5 minutes I told him he could keep talking and find a hotel room or he could shut his cake hole and stay as a guest.He shut up pretty fast.

Do I REALLY know what it is like in Isreal or Gaza....nope I dont as I dont live there.I can only know as much as the media tells me what they want me to know.Do I think Isreals actions to defend it's territory and protect it's citizens are justified...yeah I think they are.

I am GLAD the worst problem I have is the noise from the new runway at the Calgary airport.

FTH

[CNP]

I am a Muslim. Here is the main problem. ZIONISTS want a state, a land that DOES NOT BELONG TO THEM. Here is a video for some to understand the history:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=746250012093295



Now that was about as enlightening as any fabrication could be, it lacked any enlightenment.

They have a State........It is called Israel and it was promised to them long before 1948. The land does not belong to them? Ha. It was promised to them. Palestine was never a state........................was never a state..........................................was never a state..........................................was never a state.............................was never a state......................................was never a nation............................was never a nation..................................was never a nation............................................ ...was never a state nor a nation.

[Smokey]

In the spirit of reading this thread last night I watched Adam Sandler's, The Zohan on Netflix last night. Hate saying it, but it sure made me sorta feel better about the assinine nature of the Middle East. :bad_boys_20:

[Grizzly Adams]

Now that was about as enlightening as any fabrication could be, it lacked any enlightenment.

They have a State........It is called Israel and it was promised to them long before 1948. The land does not belong to them? Ha. It was promised to them. Palestine was never a state........................was never a state..........................................was never a state..........................................was never a state.............................was never a state......................................was never a nation............................was never a nation..................................was never a nation............................................ ...was never a state nor a nation.

Here's an excellent book on the subject.

http://www.amazon.com/One-Palestine-Complete-British-Mandate/dp/0805065873

Grizz

[leeaspell]

When did the Jew bashing train come to town? Lots of other people to bash than the Jews.

[greylynx]

Beeguy thinks your association between israel exterminating the arabs, and eastern canada exterminating albertans is an appropriate, accurate and reasonable supposition.

Do I have your permission to quote you on this statement?

[schmedlap]

I am not going to debate, again, why the Islamists and their ilk are just completely wrong in the Israel situation. They can hurl all the propogandist, apologist, and revisionist nonsense that they like - they are wrong, they are evil, and they are frauds and cowards. Unfortunately, about the only thing they seem to understand in a half-rational manner (setting aside the "virgins") is a missile in the teeth.
I am SO PROUD today of PM Harper and his crew. The only major western democratic country with the political guts to take an unequivocal, no BS, support of Israel approach, and to unconditionally condemn the cowardly and ill-motivated terrorists (and kudos for the same unqualified position on the Ukraine situation). I didn't really expect Canada to be the real leaders on the topics of democracy, rule of law, and ethical government ever again, after the wishy-washy BS of (mostly Liberal) governments over the last 50 years or so.
My Dad and his brothers and sisters, and their forbears, never hesitated in their sacrifices to the same principles - a few of them are buried somewhere overseas, or at the bottom of the Atlantic, as a result. I will never disrespect that sacrifice by appeasing the likes of "Hamas".

[Moosejuice]

Let's just say, as a Canadian and citizen of the world, I feel a lot safer and more comfortable that the Israelis control Palestine rather than the other guys. Just look at Egypt, a golden opportunity to prove what a real democracy could do, till it was hijacked by the Muslim Brotherhood. You can cry me a river, but till the Palestinians give up on suicide bombers and random terrorist attacks, they're going to stay in the Wilderness.

Grizz

Lets just say as a Canadian that is interested in facts that by all accounts Palestine was a pretty nice place and friendly to the west before the zionists moved in and started to blow up school buses.

A nice place where Jews and Muslims and Christians lived beside one another in peace for centuries.

What we now see as an Arab or Muslim vrs Jew problem is actually an Arab or Muislim vrs Zionist problem.

Small point but it makes a huge difference if you are interested in root causes.

[Moosejuice]

Now that was about as enlightening as any fabrication could be, it lacked any enlightenment.

They have a State........It is called Israel and it was promised to them long before 1948. The land does not belong to them? Ha. It was promised to them. Palestine was never a state........................was never a state..........................................was never a state..........................................was never a state.............................was never a state......................................was never a nation............................was never a nation..................................was never a nation............................................ ...was never a state nor a nation.

Maybe you should look up what those words mean.
Objectively if you are able.:thinking-006:

[BeeGuy]

Beeguy thinks your association between israel exterminating the arabs, and eastern canada exterminating albertans is an appropriate, accurate and reasonable supposition.

Do I have your permission to quote you on this statement?

You have my permission to quote yourself.

I think your original statement is insane.

Eastern Canadians do not want to exterminate Albertans.

That is my honest opinion.

[Smokey]

The gent who mentioned Palestine wasn't a state 25 times wants to validate the expulsion of indigenous people, many with deeds under previous governships, thats fine. Give those people their homes back

Why not return land and homes to Palestinian families, how about the end of the annexationation of more land for settlements.

The truth of this conflict is somewhere in the middle. A starting point would be with what Rabin started and the Oslo accord. Israel hardliners want none of this, because in the end it would do little to halt the extremists. Arab aggression has been and always will be the escuse Israel will always use for land annexation.

[BeeGuy]

Lets just say as a Canadian that is interested in facts that by all accounts Palestine was a pretty nice place and friendly to the west before the zionists moved in and started to blow up school buses.

A nice place where Jews and Muslims and Christians lived beside one another in peace for centuries.

What we now see as an Arab or Muslim vrs Jew problem is actually an Arab or Muislim vrs Zionist problem.

Small point but it makes a huge difference if you are interested in root causes.


It is soooo shocking how an apartheid, colonial policy creates conflict.

They don't want peace, they want more land.

[5Lgreenback]

Curious how if you don't side completely with Israel on this conflict your labelled as anti-semitic or racist etc. Isn't that a telling sign of indoctrination in and of itself?

I admit I don't fully understand the situation over there enough to say that one side is good and one is bad (much like 99.99% of the people here), in reality I'm sure both sides have blame.

I do know that the reporting in the media we get over here is extremely biased in favour of Israel and its shocking how different the stories look when you get the full story (yes even in our "left" dominated media). The distrust in the information we're fed regarding this situation is probably adding fuel to the fire for the protesters and creating more extremism.

[schmedlap]

I am a Muslim. Here is the main problem. ZIONISTS want a state, a land that DOES NOT BELONG TO THEM. Here is a video for some to understand the history:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=746250012093295

Why should the Palestinians back out when it is their own land? They cut off their water yesterday, but guess what? they dont show you this on the news. They cut off tons of aid going into Gaza.. and they claim to care about civilians? Well guess what? THEY DONT GIVE A S*** .. Dont belive me? Here:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1468443226735604

Some words from the former president Jimmy Carter

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152136038346104

Interesting how FOX News put a picture of Gaza bombed and stated Israel was the victim here (Please don't tell me they make mistakes like this):

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/10532361_10154383576785444_7533267611223375653_n.j pg

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10204285011353998&fref=nf

Other videos:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152076408426706
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152229452732507

Note that NONE of this videos has one Muslim speaking. They are all either Jewish or non-muslim speakers.

You ask why the arabs dislike the Jews? Would you be ok with someone placing a random family in your home and have them eat your food, take your water and leave you without anything?

There is extremists in every religion, and trust me us Muslims dislike them as much as you do because they might say they are doing it in the name of our religion but they are doing it in the name of hate, just like the ZIONISTS. They are both exactly the same.
I won't even try to answer the BS in those items 1 by 1. It is so revisionist that it is just scary. Lets look at some ACTUAL facts. VERY generalized.
1) The "Zionists" invited the "Palestinians" (Arabs) to stay and be part of a democratic state. Some did, and are still very glad they did. Because the new government system has transformed a desert wasteland (created by the forbears - Palestinians?) into a "garden" and a very prosperous country, in economic terms, unlike any of their neighbours. There are "Palestinian" MP's in Israels' parliament, and many prosperous Muslim citizens of a democracy - the only muslims in the ME that have this - tell any of them that they are disadvantaged(?). They are the only arabs/muslims that live in a real democracy. (True or not - show me some others?).
2) The jews were expected to be exterminated in this situation. The Arabs outnumbered them (in direct fighter terms) over 10 to 1, let alone the weapons in play. The Jews "kicked butt" (in modern parlance), and drove the arab armies (including the vaunted Jordan Legion) out of their very tiny territory. Their opponents just were not at all committed to their cause (?).
3) As the opposing nations, over the years, started more wars, the Israelis consistently beat the crap out of them, and despite no desire to do so, took over more territory (Gaza, Sinai, etc.). But, they gave most of it back in various attempts to appease their opponents (Sinai, Gaza, etc.). They even removed their own settlers from Gaza (with justified resistance) in doing so. They have tried, so hard, to be benificent neighbours, but the Islamists have negated all attempts at conciliation. The fact is that, even during the current confrontation, Israel continues to send huge convoys of "aid" (food and other goods) to Gaza, whose inhabitants are at the mercy of idiot terrorists.
4) While Hamas indiscriminately sends rockets at Israel, hoping to just kill innocent civilians (thankfully without much effect, because they are rather incompetent at this), Israel responds with very targeted attacks, only taking out the rocket launch sites,and even backing off when the civilians they have pre-warned do not leave the site (the cowards want them to kill civilians, as a propoganda tool - they deliberately set up their sites at schools and hsopitals, etc.).
It goes on and on. The Islamists are rather good at the politics - they have oil, and it has influenced the response of the the great powers to their BS. But, thankfully, they can't win, simply because the powers of truth and history are against them - unless we let down our guard and continue to appease them (?).

[coolpete1]

more like the power of american weapons , money and a veto at the un stops the arabs from beating the tar out of israel, but with russia getting more bold and the usa in dept up to their eyeballs israel might run out of support one day.

[Moosejuice]

Curious how if you don't side completely with Israel on this conflict your labelled as anti-semitic or racist etc. Isn't that a telling sign of indoctrination in and of itself?

I admit I don't fully understand the situation over there enough to say that one side is good and one is bad (much like 99.99% of the people here), in reality I'm sure both sides have blame.

I do know that the reporting in the media we get over here is extremely biased in favour of Israel and its shocking how different the stories look when you get the full story (yes even in our "left" dominated media). The distrust in the information we're fed regarding this situation is probably adding fuel to the fire for the protesters and creating more extremism.

If you say no to Obama you are a racist.
If you disagree with anything the CPC does, you are a libtard.
If you do not clean everything off the plate they offer you. You are a bad boy.
Some people need the world to be THAT simple.
Anything that threatens their black and white way of seeing things makes them feel threatened because it is not nice and tdy and it confuses them.

Pretty sad.
All those tax dollars wasted on public education when we could have just sent them to obedience school.

[BeeGuy]

If you say no to Obama you are a racist.
If you disagree with anything the CPC does, you are a libtard.
If you do not clean everything off the plate they offer you. You are a bad boy.
Some people need the world to be THAT simple.
Anything that threatens their black and white way of seeing things makes them feel threatened because it is not nice and tdy and it confuses them.

Pretty sad.
All those tax dollars wasted on public education when we could have just sent them to obedience school.

How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?

Public education works as intended.

Real education comes from mentors or is self-directed.

[Smokey]

I won't even try to answer the BS in those items 1 by 1. It is so revisionist that it is just scary. Lets look at some ACTUAL facts. VERY generalized.
1) The "Zionists" invited the "Palestinians" (Arabs) to stay and be part of a democratic state. Some did, and are still very glad they did. Because the new government system has transformed a desert wasteland (created by the forbears - Palestinians?) into a "garden" and a very prosperous country, in economic terms, unlike any of their neighbours. There are "Palestinian" MP's in Israels' parliament, and many prosperous Muslim citizens of a democracy - the only muslims in the ME that have this - tell any of them that they are disadvantaged(?). They are the only arabs/muslims that live in a real democracy. (True or not - show me some others?).
2) The jews were expected to be exterminated in this situation. The Arabs outnumbered them (in direct fighter terms) over 10 to 1, let alone the weapons in play. The Jews "kicked butt" (in modern parlance), and drove the arab armies (including the vaunted Jordan Legion) out of their very tiny territory. Their opponents just were not at all committed to their cause (?).
3) As the opposing nations, over the years, started more wars, the Israelis consistently beat the crap out of them, and despite no desire to do so, took over more territory (Gaza, Sinai, etc.). But, they gave most of it back in various attempts to appease their opponents (Sinai, Gaza, etc.). They even removed their own settlers from Gaza (with justified resistance) in doing so. They have tried, so hard, to be benificent neighbours, but the Islamists have negated all attempts at conciliation. The fact is that, even during the current confrontation, Israel continues to send huge convoys of "aid" (food and other goods) to Gaza, whose inhabitants are at the mercy of idiot terrorists.
4) While Hamas indiscriminately sends rockets at Israel, hoping to just kill innocent civilians (thankfully without much effect, because they are rather incompetent at this), Israel responds with very targeted attacks, only taking out the rocket launch sites,and even backing off when the civilians they have pre-warned do not leave the site (the cowards want them to kill civilians, as a propoganda tool - they deliberately set up their sites at schools and hsopitals, etc.).
It goes on and on. The Islamists are rather good at the politics - they have oil, and it has influenced the response of the the great powers to their BS. But, thankfully, they can't win, simply because the powers of truth and history are against them - unless we let down our guard and continue to appease them (?).

Prove number 1, this whole notion that Israel invited Arabs to live in peace with them.

Also claiming a different viewpoint other then your own is somehow a contrived bastardization of reality convientantly paraded as revisionist history, it is merely an overused line, and I think you just have rhetoric.

How about the many Arabs and Jews lived in some assemblence of peace before 1948 and that many Arabs were willing to continue to do such. When the zionist were gifted land where ethnic Jews and Arabs lived for many years what happened? I guess the Arabs started it all? Maybe it had nothing to do with the expulsion of land that was long occuring and is well documented by the gangs of Jewish para military, and the huge reality that with the with mass influx of European Jews coming. The Jews lobbied for a home country, they got what they wanted, and some Arabs accepted this and some did not.

Palestinians in Palestine never deserved this. I guess we would like to believe they all would just have said, "Oh well, our family had a good run here in Palestine for a few thousand years, I will just pack up my bags and leave the deed at the door." Was there those who assimilated into the Western way of life? Most definitely there was. However this is not indicative of the majority.

What is scary is calling other viewpoints as revisionist. All you have done is spoke to the chior, I'll accept a decent argument.

[masalma]

From personal experience my father is part of doctor without borders and was present in Lebanon 2006.

The pictures he came back with is traumatizing and still stuck in my head. Children with their skin/meat burned off by phosphorus bombs.

And to the once that claim that Hamas uses civilians as shields, when you have one of the highest dense populated areas on earth where do you think is left to go? and compare the number of causalities and see if what israel is doing is justified. Zero Israilie causalities compared to 100s of Palestinians mostly composed of innocent people.

Here is a sample of the zionist mentality and how it is bred into them.

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/terrifying-tweets-israeli.html

Watch videos of kids murdered and beaten by Israeli forces. It is sickening but the second you don't agree with what is happening you are labelled as anti semitic.

Arabs have no problems with Jews, but they do with Zionists. HUGE difference.

We take a lot of what we have here for granted, had the chance to travel and tour Africa, Middle East and Europe. Canada is the best country on earth, in every department (minus winters). Every where I went people were good, didn't matter what religion and color they were.

We should never judge a whole race based on a few bad apples or what we see on the news, before we judge we need to live in their shoes and see the struggles. Doesn't matter what you are an innocent life holds the same value.

[Smokey]

I'd like to know how true it is that they give warning

Real catch 22 is how to strategically bomb to protect Israeli's when Hamas puts these installations in Mosques and Schools.

Maybe they should try peace for land.:thinking-006:

[stringer]

Here's what's really going on in the Middle East

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zjXifsACiHA

[BeeGuy]

Here's what's really going on in the Middle East

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zjXifsACiHA

Hehehehehe

This guy has been shown to be a complete fraud. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74Tzz51VYXg#t=40)

This guy makes his money by preaching to the choir.

He is a complete fraud.

[stringer]

Hehehehehe

This guy has been shown to be a complete fraud. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74Tzz51VYXg#t=40)

This guy makes his money by preaching to the choir.

He is a complete fraud.

Says who your leftist media.

This explains some of the posts and comments from you and the other libtards on this forum when it comes to political and social issues.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cpyzhkc5Ibc

[stringer]

Hehehehehe

This guy has been shown to be a complete fraud. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74Tzz51VYXg#t=40)

This guy makes his money by preaching to the choir.

He is a complete fraud.

http://shoebat.com/shoebat-foundation/evidence-of-my-credentials/

[BeeGuy]

Says who your leftist media.

This explains some of the posts and comments from you and the other libtards on this forum when it comes to political and social issues.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cpyzhkc5Ibc


How quickly we forget.

[BeeGuy]

http://shoebat.com/shoebat-foundation/evidence-of-my-credentials/

It is easy to lie on your own terms.

Not so easy when someone asks you direct questions that require prompt, true answers.

[BeeGuy]

Hey Stringer,

What do you get when you get a bunch of far right radical nationalists together?

[BeeGuy]

Imperialism, is an unequal human and territorial relationship, based on ideas of superiority and practices of dominance, and involving the extension of authority and control of one state or people over another.Does that sounds familiar?

What about this one?

Militarism is the belief or desire of a government or people that a country should maintain a strong military capability and be prepared to use it aggressively to defend or promote national interests. It may also imply the glorification of the ideals of a professional military class" and the "predominance of the armed forces in the administration or policy of the state"
hmmmm....

How much of this rings true?

Ultranationalism is a zealous nationalism that expresses extremist support for one's nationalist ideals. It is often characterized by authoritarianism efforts toward reduction or stoppage of immigration, expulsion and or oppression of non-native populations within the nation or its territories, demagoguery of leadership, emotionalism, fomenting talk of presumed, real, or imagined enemies, predicating the existence of threats to the survival of the native, dominant or otherwise idealized national ethnicity or population group, instigation or extremist reaction to crack-down policies in law enforcement, efforts to limit international trade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_trade) through tariffs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariffs), tight control over businesses and production (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_economy), militarism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militarism), populism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism) and propaganda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda). Prevalent ultranationalism typically leads to or is the result of conflict within a state, and or between states, and is identified as a condition of pre-war in national politics. In its extremist forms ultranationalism is characterized as a call to war (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War) against enemies of the nation/state, secession (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession) or, in the case of ethnocentrist ultranationalism, genocide, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide)


This isn't a new game. It is well studied. Ask your friend Jamie G. He has a PhD in the game.

The only question is, will we let it happen again?

By the comments I read hear on the regular, I would say the beast is stirring.

[pickrel pat]

I thought semitism was a bull. Carry on.

[BeeGuy]

I thought semitism was a bull. Carry on.

closer than this

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/eastoregonian.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/9/4a/94a5f19f-ab6e-54c0-893f-3dff6921f83a/507794251cf88.preview-300.jpg

[stringer]

Hey Stringer,

What do you get when you get a bunch of far right radical nationalists together?

Typical tactic of the left attack the people that don't agree with you.

[ganderblaster]

"Peace will only come when The Palestine's begin loving their children more then they hate Isreal"

[FishingMOM]

From personal experience my father is part of doctor without borders and was present in Lebanon 2006.

The pictures he came back with is traumatizing and still stuck in my head. Children with their skin/meat burned off by phosphorus bombs.

And to the once that claim that Hamas uses civilians as shields, when you have one of the highest dense populated areas on earth where do you think is left to go? and compare the number of causalities and see if what israel is doing is justified. Zero Israilie causalities compared to 100s of Palestinians mostly composed of innocent people.

Here is a sample of the zionist mentality and how it is bred into them.
ct
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/terrifying-tweets-israeli.html

Watch videos of kids murdered and beaten by Israeli forces. It is sickening but the second you don't agree with what is happening you are labelled as anti semitic.

Arabs have no problems with Jews, but they do with Zionists. HUGE difference.

We take a lot of what we have here for granted, had the chance to travel and tour Africa, Middle East and Europe. Canada is the best country on earth, in every department (minus winters). Every where I went people were good, didn't matter what religion and color they were.

We should never judge a whole race based on a few bad apples or what we see on the news, before we judge we need to live in their shoes and see the struggles. Doesn't matter what you are an innocent life holds the same value.
The isreali military is also been able to shoot a lot of the rockets out of the air. I have been on the phone with my friends when sirens warning of attacks have gone off this week. Thankfully they had planned months ago to spend summer in usa. So the kids are not having to experience the worst of it. My friends were born and raised in the usa but accepted work in isreal as they are jewish, so they felt it would be great for theirkids to get "homeland" experience.

[CNP]

Maybe you should look up what those words mean.
Objectively if you are able.:thinking-006:

Very cryptic observation MJ. The words I print I........ understand. Because you do not understand does not compel me to change them. I say again..........................Palestine was never a State. Your understanding of the situation is a good read from the book of Historical Revisionism.


“In the Six-Day War, Israel captured Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem. But they didn’t capture these territories from Yasser Arafat. They captured them from Jordan’s King Hussein. I can’t help but wonder why all these Palestinians suddenly discovered their national identity after Israel won the war.”The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land. …Palestine has never existed…as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland.” - Joseph Farah, Arab-American journalist, editor and CEO of WorldNetDaily
When Jews began to immigrate to Palestine in large numbers in 1882, fewer than 250,000 Arabs lived there, and the majority of them had arrived in recent decades. Palestine was never an exclusively Arab country, although Arabic gradually became the language of most the population after the Muslim invasions of the seventh century. No independent Arab or Palestinian state ever existed in Palestine.When the distinguished Arab-American historian, Princeton University Prof. Philip Hitti, testified against partition before the Anglo-American Committee in 1946, he said: “There is no such thing as ‘Palestine’ in history, absolutely not.” In fact, Palestine is never explicitly mentioned in the Koran, rather it is called “the holy land” (al-Arad al-Muqaddash).
“In a recent speech to the United Nations General Assembly, Yasser Arafat talked of ‘the need to realize justice for the Palestinian people, to restore their international status and their seat in the United Nations.’ He referred to ‘our country, Palestine’ and expressed the hope that it would be ‘restored its freedom.’”The meaning of this message is clear: Palestine is a country that belonged to the Palestinians until it was invaded and usurped by the Jews. Jerusalem was the Palestinian capital now being Judaized by Israel. Justice will be served only if the Palestinians are allowed to re-establish their sovereignty in it. “That all this is unadulterated fiction has not prevented many governments from accepting it. Nor has it deterred pundits from upbraiding Israel for failing to ‘give back’ Palestinian land.
“In fact, there never has been a state called Palestine, nor have the Palestinian Arabs ever been an independent people, and Jerusalem never has been an Arab or Muslim capital. Jerusalem has had an absolute Jewish majority for more than a century (and a plurality before that), and for the last three thousand years, only the Jewish people have called it their capital…To inveigh against ‘Judaizing’ Jerusalem is like protesting the Arabization of Cairo.”
- David Bar-Illan, former Executive Editor of the Jerusalem Post, in an article first published in November 1998 in the Los Angeles Times.

[Winch101]

Right or Wrong ,I'm going with the guys with the biggest guns .....
The theory of Zionism is a load of crap . If there is a conspiracy here
It is by the Christians paying the Jews back for purportedly killing
The big guy . At least I was told that all my life .
Don't feel special cause you got a Bee sting , and leftward ,I ll
Have you know he is a multi faceted basher .

A Canadian tragedy .....In 1975 everybody at the store went to work
At a kibbutz in Isreal , and I was suddenly top dog , oi vey , a goy in
Charge , could it be worse , by that time I knew Gelt , everything was
Good .....and besides he works Shabbat ,no guilt . Sales went up.
Morty and Sid even smiled , could be worse .....

[Smokey]

Very cryptic observation MJ. The words I print I........ understand. Because you do not understand does not compel me to change them. I say again..........................Palestine was never a State. Your understanding of the situation is a good read from the book of Historical Revisionism.

Estimates of 1.2 million Arabs resided in Palestine living in Israel when they became a state. Something like 650000 became refugees. Many left because of the Israel land purchases and generally unsettled environment. Some were also removed from their homes I think is a fairly fair assessment. If you think this is revisionism then so be it.

Your argument I see is based on 250k Arabs being there in 1882, and the 800k to 1.2 million Arabs (I've read various stats, I don't know whats accurate) were do to the influx of those people into that area over that time are not valid residents. Therefore the Jews arriving predominently in the 30's and 40's and continuing to this day have a greater right to the land because these Arabs did not live in a state that was not internationally recognized and were part of the British protectorate? I think there is a valid arguement that there is a difference between Jordanians living in Palestine and true Palestinian people who have had their roots there for generations.

My take is this. I think arguing Israel belongs there based on the Bible seems like a better argument, and I hardly see that argument as worth my time. I think the Arabs countries screwed themselves not taking whst they got given to them.

Hardliners seem use the violence as justification for annexing more territory. Arabs started it and wants Jews dead justifies the annexation of land from 1967 and so forth. Those in Israel who want peace recognize the starting point is in returning some of the land. Will there ever be peace, not likely, but one could argue it could defuse the situation. It also does not help to keep poking the bear by taking more and more territory.

Anyways I wish I did not get sucked into this debate, Im going to leave it cause I am honestly open to real good arguements and this thread leaves people arguing whos propoganda is better. I think a real debate would be nice, and we all could put our bias aside at the door, maybe we could solve world peace.:bad_boys_20:

[Speckler]

Mod. Racial troll. Please remove post. Not AO related.

[Moosejuice]

Very cryptic observation MJ. The words I print I........ understand. Because you do not understand does not compel me to change them. I say again..........................Palestine was never a State. Your understanding of the situation is a good read from the book of Historical Revisionism.

I'll make it easy for you.

What is a nation?

What is a country and what is a state?

Why are the Palestinians a nation and why is Israel a state but not a nation?

Then, who blew up the first school bus in what was then known as Palestine?

There is nothing revisionist about my comments but your history has been very carefully censored to make sure that people in the west did not question their own governments actions.
These things are known and admitted by a growing Jewish anti-zionist movement within Israel and around the world.

Personnally I think that we should have taken a more neutral view of the whole situation a long time ago as neither side is an innocent here and because Israel has too often abused her friends in the west.

Israels radicals are every bit as much to blame for this problem as the arab radicals are.

That is all.

[CNP]

I'll make it easy for you.

What is a nation?

What is a country and what is a state?



Too easy. The answer to all of those is: Palestine was neither of those.
Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century.

Palestine was never a nation/country/state. Never.

[coolpete1]

Too easy. The answer to all of those is: Palestine was neither of those.
Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the 20th century.

Palestine was never a nation/country/state. Never.

what was it then? a pipe dream?

[CNP]

what was it then? a pipe dream?

It was a geographic region, fought over, never was an autonomous state. You didn't know? It was however....................promised to the Israelites:)

[bison]

I come to think Hitler might have been a Muslim :scared0018:

[Smokey]

It was a geographic region, fought over, never was an autonomous state. You didn't know? It was however....................promised to the Israelites:)

Can't believe I am being suckered back into this. Its like roadkill, you can't look away.

It wasn't autonomous state, and I fail to see the relevance to the argument. However outta the last 1500 years, who lived there and who ruled this protectorate, and before that a territory. Since anything anyone would write would be revisionist history, I won't do your homework.

Why do you keep spouting off this like its a trump card?

When zionist backers can't spew the anti semite jibe, they resort to the Bible. What kinda of an argument is it was not a state?

[Smokey]

I come to think Hitler might have been a Muslim :scared0018:

And all Muslims are evil? Funny thing about Muslims, when the Jews were being expelled in the Western world and given very little safe haven from the holocost, many Jews lived with in the Middle East in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine. Its seems quite ironic that you make a statement as such. I will completely apologize if I misunderstood your comment.

There was song once that goes like, "things that make you go hmm."

The irony if it does not come to you is that they don't extend the same tollerance to the Palestinians. More then half the population of Palestine in 1948 was Arab, they got half the land. Why do we wonder why they Arab countries attacked Israel.

Now they have less then quarter of the land. The removal of landowners with both title and generational ties to the area began before Israel was a country and continues. One can argue the why that is, but theres no revisionism in that fact.

[Kanonfodder]

This is done , zero to do with AO