lac megantic anyone?

[Crankbait]

how did this not make the national news and get tucked back in the local business pages. I guess anyone can do any job?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/cp-rail-encourages-office-workers-to-learn-how-to-drive-trains-1.2935065

[rugatika]

Hey, it's not like they gotta be steered. :)

I kid. I kid.

[Crankbait]

Hey, it's not like they gotta be steered. :)

I kid. I kid.

HELL of a joke

[ward]

I can't imagine an office worker being any more incompetent that the fellow that dropped the ball in Quebec.

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CP Rail encourages office workers to learn how to drive trains

Safety concerns arise over training, qualifications and experience level, as possible strike looms

By Kyle Bakx, CBC News Posted: Feb 02, 2015 5:00 AM ET| Last Updated: Feb 02, 2015 4:38 PM ET

CP rail training office workers to drive trains 7:44

A Canadian railway company is training its managers and office workers to drive locomotives and load trains, a move one labour lawyer says could be an attempt to prepare for a possible work stoppage.

Documents show CP Rail has encouraged office employees to step away from their desks and cubicles and sign up for training both on the trains and in the rail yards.

The use of office workers driving trains could be a major safety concern, said Wayne Benedict, a former railroader who now works as a labour lawyer in Calgary.

"You've got them climbing onto a train that's a mile and a half long, with a hundred and some cars, weighing 16,000 tonnes, with dangerous goods, going through our cities," he said. "And they are not professional, running trades employees. They are running human resource professionals, or other managers and supervisors."

'Some of them are office workers, secretaries, data input, some of them are mechanics on the track.'

CBC News has obtained an internal CP Rail document dated Feb. 19, 2014, encouraging non-union employees to sign up for training as a locomotive engineer or conductor. It calls the training "a requirement at Canadian Pacific. It is also the single best way for a management employee to learn what the business is truly about. It is a fundamental cornerstone to the development of our railway culture."

The document also suggests, "no matter what your role is at CP, this experience will make you better at what you do."

The program is targeted mainly towards mechanical and engineering workers, but open to any non-union employees.

li-bc-120523-cp-rail-locomotive CP Rail and the Teamsters union are currently without a contract. (Canadian Pacific Railway)

The training, offered in several Canadian cities, requires employees to receive at least four weeks of classroom work, before starting on-the-job training.

"I am highly skeptical that it would be the same training and experience that a qualified locomotive engineer or qualified professional train conductor would have," Benedict said. "Certainly, they don't get the same amount of experience out there running day in and day out."

The union representing locomotive engineers and conductors believes all types of non-union workers are driving trains.

"Some of them are office workers, secretaries, data input, some of them are mechanics on the track, supervisors. Those workers from the office are career office workers, sometimes 25 or 30 years' experience, being scheduled for training to go ride trains and switch box cars in yards," said Doug Finnson, president of Teamsters Canada Rail Conference.

Labour board ruling

Last month, the Canadian Industrial Relations Board ordered the railway to stop having unionized workers provide training for managers. Also, when unionized workers are available to work, managers can't step in and replace those workers.

The ruling, which has yet to be officially published, states, "The board appreciates the employer's desire to ensure that managers are fully familiar with railway operations, but it also understands the union's very real concern that the training of managers will result in the creation of a pool of trained strike-breakers in the event of a lawful work stoppage."

CP Rail said it will comply with the labour board ruling.

However, according to prior labour board rulings, CP Rail is allowed to continue training its non-union staff and managers to drive trains.

When there is a shortage of professional unionized workers, managers can step in and fill those positions to ensure the trains continue operating.

"The standards that CP is using for this training are the same as what is in place for qualifying employees for unionized positions," said CP Rail in a statement. "This means all candidates must pass the required tests, be rules qualified and meet all the standards for train operations."

The practice of using office staff is not exclusive to CP Rail. CN Rail has also employed the practice for several years, although not always with the best results.

CN blamed "human error" for a train crash near Prince George, B.C., in 2007. The collision at the rail yard led to a massive fuel and lumber fire. In total, 172,000 litres of fuel spilled.

Managers were driving the train remotely using a device called a Beltpack.

After investigating the crash, the Transportation Safety Board concluded the managers were vastly unprepared as they filled in for regular yard employees.

CP Rail CEO Hunter Harrison was formerly the CEO of CN Rail, which has also employed the practice of training managers to drive trains. (Jeff McIntosh/Canadian Press)

"Although considered qualified from a regulatory perspective for their respective duties, the management employees operating the Beltpack switching assignment on the day of the occurrence were inadequately trained and had no experience switching long, heavy cuts of cars on the pull-back track descending grade."

At the time, Hunter Harrison was CEO of CN. He is currently the CEO of CP Rail. The CBC has no information to suggest similar training deficiencies exist at CP Rail.

CP Rail declined interview requests.

How frequent?

It is difficult to find out how often CP Rail is using office workers to drive trains. The recent labour board ruling did not have specific numbers, although the railway did tell the board that the use of management crews increased by more than 50 per cent from 2013 to 2014.

CBC News requested more specific figures from the board, but has yet to receive clarification.

The union claims the cases are frequent.

"There are several thousand instances of managers doing our jobs," Finnson said. "They had plans on training hundreds and hundreds of managers. They made no bones about it."

Strike vote

Contract negotiations between Teamsters and CP Rail are ongoing. The two sides will resume talks in Calgary this week.

The earliest that a work stoppage could occur is Feb. 14, according to the union, when a cooling off period expires. After that date, a strike or lockout could be called by the union or the company.

"There is a very strong likelihood of one or the other taking place," Finnson said.

The union is currently conducting a strike ballot vote. Locomotive engineers, conductors and yard workers are all voting whether or not to authorize the bargaining committee to call a strike, if necessary.

The Teamsters union said the railway may be making preparations in case of a work stoppage.

"I have received several reports recently that CP Rail is phoning up retired railroad workers and asking them if they will come in to be replacement workers in the event of a strike or a lockout," Finnson said. "It's disturbing, it's absurd, and it's insulting."

CP Rail says it is bargaining in good faith.

The collective agreement expired on Dec. 31, 2014.

[HalfBreed]

for the inevitable bun fight over unions, doubt it will cause a lock though.

Hold onto your conductor hats!

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for the inevitable bun fight over unions, doubt it will cause a lock though.

Hold onto your conductor hats!

I know there are a few engineers and conductors on ao, and maybe some non-union guys/gals too. would be interesting to hear their thoughts on cp under Harrison. to me, this article is troubling.

[HalfBreed]

I know there are a few engineers and conductors on ao, and maybe some non-union guys/gals too. would be interesting to hear their thoughts on cp under Harrison. to me, this article is troubling.

My neighbor drives trains, will be going out shooting with him tomorrow. Should be an interesting convo.

[lucky_magic_stick]

Feel sorry for the office staff doing these jobs as the locomotive and railcar mechanics will also be out on strike or locked out at the same time and the rest of the office will be inspecting and brake testing their trains for them. Cheers Andy

[crawfy]

I know there are a few engineers and conductors on ao, and maybe some non-union guys/gals too. would be interesting to hear their thoughts on cp under Harrison. to me, this article is troubling.

Working on my 28 th year and wishing my life away just to retire. :angry3:

[Wild&Free]

I'd love to get some engineers down at the plant to work with the systems they've designed for a few weeks. I've got a list of annoyances that make 5-10 minute jobs into hour long ordeals.

[crawfy]

Feel sorry for the office staff doing these jobs as the locomotive and railcar mechanics will also be out on strike or locked out at the same time and the rest of the office will be inspecting and brake testing their trains for them. Cheers Andy

Yes its scary as many of them never really had any hands on experience and thier are literally the hundreds upon hundreds of operating rules and being deployed to areas that they are not even familiar with. I'm glad I don't live next to the tracks. An average Conductor/Engineer training coarse takes at least 6 months and 90% of that is hands on and the rest is classroom. Many of these people out of the offices had 6 weeks if they were lucky and maybe a week of hands on if that.

[elkdump]

Well the CN office staff would have more training than Borat Obama had to run the most powerful nation on earth,,, think about it .

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/teamsters-give-cp-rail-72-hour-strike-notice-1.2952765

[79ford]

I would hope they can strike for awhile if they do.... apperantly the company is reaching new levels of profitability every quarter and it has come at the expense of thousands of layoffs and cuts to maitenance.

I dont work for cp but it is a public company and it is starting to be a real tick off to watch maintenance and other operational budgets get pared while record profits keep rolling in.

[Gunslinger257]

If it ends up like it did when Hunter Harrison was at CN there will be a couple of new superintendents who happen to be amputees!