How close are we to WW3?

[nube]

All this BS around the world has me wondering how close we are to an all out war? Are we close to the end of the world as we once knew it? This world is falling apart at a very high rate of speed.

[Zip]

Things don't look good at all..I am so worried what everything will be like in the next 5 years! We are in more trouble than we think..I think.

[Artist]

Problem is - who do you go to war against specifically? Radicalism is not contained within the borders of any one specific country - it's an idea that has pockets of existence in our own back yard, and in countries all around the globe.

[Hydro1]

I suspect some sort of multi country war to erupt within the next decade.
All of those people I used to laugh at making bug out bags and shtf bags don't seem so crazy anymore....

[JimPS]

The ‘Doomsday Clock’ now at three minutes to midnight.

It's almost time to say your prayers.

http://www.businessinsider.com/doomsday-clock-winded-3-minutes-to-midnight-2015-1

[Zip]

Problem is - who do you go to war against specifically? Radicalism is not contained within the borders of any one specific country - it's an idea that has pockets of existence in our own back yard, and in countries all around the globe.

Agreed, but I have to wonder how long these little pockets of existence have been lurking in the back ground?? So many questions but not very clear answers near as I can tell..

[Artist]

Agreed, but I have to wonder how long these little pockets of existence have been lurking in the back ground?? So many questions but not very clear answers near as I can tell..

I may be naively over-optimistic, but contrary to "dooms-day" scenarios, I have a hard time believing that radicalism will (at least in my lifetime) organize itself in such a fashion, so as to overtake and rule any country in the Western world. The pockets of radicalism will continue to be a thorn in our side for sure, and, the one-off attacks, even within our borders, will likely continue. I think given the fact that ISIS-type videos are there for all the world to see, creates the illusion that ISIS-type radicalism is much bigger than it actually is.

Having said that, the only way to eradicate radicalism will be to systematically sweep the main countries in which it exists, with a multi-national coalition force of 'boots on the ground', and slowly weed it out of the caves and crevices.

[wolf308]

All this BS around the world has me wondering how close we are to an all out war? Are we close to the end of the world as we once knew it? This world is falling apart at a very high rate of speed.

Totally agree.

I'm sick of this waiting. Somebody hit the button in the handcuffed briefcase soon, deploy the bombers and roll the dice allready. My personal time estimation is august 2018.


Books that I've read and google mention EMP ..... Like as in 3 nukes detonated in w,c,e sides of the USA and frys the entire nations electrical grid. Basically 80% of the states would be killed off in a year they theorize.

I wonder if there is any truth to that ??? Like if all or 80% of the planets electric stuff simply shut down ? If emp nukes were thrown around all major players / developed nations ??? Is it that easy ??? A few nukes and the worlds super power is crippled beyond repair. ???

[whitetail Junkie]

Having said that, the only way to eradicate radicalism will be to systematically sweep the main countries in which it exists, with a multi-national coalition force of 'boots on the ground', and slowly weed it out of the caves and crevices.
X2....The Jordan pilot video was the final straw for myself.If WW3 involves going to the middle east and destroying evil, im quitting my Job and going into basic training.

[HalfBreed]

As a young trooper, I remember over beers discussing race wars, religion was never a factor, yet some years later, we(my peers) missed how much religion was involved in the Balkans.

This is just another phase in another area of the world.

What bothered me was while wrapping up in BiH, many locals were quite open about waiting to have another go.

Unless a cure for hate is discovered, these events have nothing but to cycle.

[wolf308]

At any rate, I think the usa is in such bad shape internally , spiritually and economically coupled with alot of the world sick of there BS and hypocrisy will cause the worlds major superpower to basically implode with the right pin *****.

That will be the que for other nations to start flexing their muscles and that will be the big war. Maybe.

Just a theory.

[Hydro1]

At any rate, I think the usa is in such bad shape internally , spiritually and economically coupled with alot of the world sick of there BS and hypocrisy will cause the worlds major superpower to basically implode with the right pin *****.

That will be the que for other nations to start flexing their muscles and that will be the big war. Maybe.

Just a theory.
May be just a theory, however I think your spot on.

[Artist]

At any rate, I think the usa is in such bad shape internally , spiritually and economically coupled with alot of the world sick of there BS and hypocrisy will cause the worlds major superpower to basically implode with the right pin *****.

That will be the que for other nations to start flexing their muscles and that will be the big war. Maybe.

Just a theory.

A good theory.
We the "other" countries, need to quit hiding behind the US, and start taking care of business.

[blackpheasant]

We are going to need a strong America once again, hopefully they will get a real leader in the Whitehouse, one that will stare down these cowards and do what needs to be done once and for all...a weak America is not what the world needs right now

[edmhunter]

God I am so happy that I was born 54 years ago, would hate to be a kid in today's messed up world! I say stock your shelves with enough food and water to last for ast least 6 months and hope for the best!

[burbotman]

Totally agree.

I'm sick of this waiting. Somebody hit the button in the handcuffed briefcase soon, deploy the bombers and roll the dice allready. My personal time estimation is august 2018.


Books that I've read and google mention EMP ..... Like as in 3 nukes detonated in w,c,e sides of the USA and frys the entire nations electrical grid. Basically 80% of the states would be killed off in a year they theorize.

I wonder if there is any truth to that ??? Like if all or 80% of the planets electric stuff simply shut down ? If emp nukes were thrown around all major players / developed nations ??? Is it that easy ??? A few nukes and the worlds super power is crippled beyond repair. ???

One second after, a good read but scary as hell.

[obsessed1]

I agree our world is changing and I am almost worried aboult the world my kids will have to live in , raise kids in....I take life seriously I do have a bob and ALWAYS carry on my person a few items that can be helpful in a shtf situation and some call me a prepper...with that though I dont stock pile food or ammo or anything like that but instead have spent years of my life learning survival and the skills it would take to live without all the wonderful things we have today...as far as an emt....I think if the cell phones, facebook and google were gone forever half our population would almost die on the spot;) you owe it to your family and friends and yourself to have the skills needed for surviving.

[EZM]

People need to stop watching Fox News and feeding into the FEAR.

ISIS is a 1000 radicals operating in a largely rural area controlling no real infrastructure. They use the media and internet to their advantage and many are drinking it in as they watch FOX news.

With all the stupid things they keep doing it will be the islamic countries, themselves, who will rid the earth of these guys. They are not doing a good job of endearing themselves to any of their neighbors.

I won't be fashioning any tin foil hats, doing any prepping, nor will I loose sleep tonight.

Short of going in there and killing every one of them without mercy - which nobody seems to have the intestinal fortitude for - The way to fight these guys is cut them off from the same technology they are using to grow their movement.

These guys are nuts. The countries who were once sympathetic to them are beginning to view them as terrorists. Their own actions will seal their own fate.

[Suka]

"Political correctness" wether intentional or not is freedom's enemies most effective weapon.
They've used it in europe to great success and are mimicking the tactic here. Our bureaucracy has swallowed it hook line and sinker and not only spews it's self hate but uses it to punish Canadians with their hiring policies to further this tainted poison.

There is a glimmer of hope as pockets of europe are starting to fight back. Unfortunately they have allowed themselves to be completely disarmed of their freedom by voting socialist for decades, so I'm not sure if they'll be able to bring their countries back from the abyss or not.

[silverdoctor]

Can't you smell the fear. The west wants you afraid, that's exactly what they are getting. Our own government is taking away our rights and freedoms over terrorism - instead of giving us the ability to defend ourselves. What does that tell you?

Love this quote:

When a fire is raging, firefighters are called – not the arsonist who started it, especially if they return to the scene of the crime dragging a barrel of gasoline behind them. Yet, this is precisely what the US proposes – that they – the geopolitical arsonists – be allowed to return to Iraq to extinguish the threat of heavily armed sectarian militants streaming from NATO territory in Turkey and edging ever closer to Baghdad.


Doesn't seem to matter to people how we got here, just that we're here.

[JimPS]

X2....The Jordan pilot video was the final straw for myself.If WW3 involves going to the middle east and destroying evil, I'm quitting my Job and going into basic training.

I'ts amazing how easy it is to radicalize with propaganda.

[AbAngler]

People need to stop watching Fox News and feeding into the FEAR.

Although Fox news is in my daily lineup of reading, and apparently alot of other people if you look at ratings, you are spot on about the fear. These sensational stories just feed the sense of doom, and big governments use it to justify big "anti-terrorism/anti-freedom" budgets.

At the end of the day, the sky is not falling. Take care of you and yours. Its an interesting time we live in, but keep on keeping on and everything will be fine.

Just be thankful we live where we do. We have it good. Real good.

[HalfBreed]

If they win (they wont) I'm scared of losing my favorite infidel treat. I suppose a transition to halal sausage would be in order.

Bacon eaters....... Unite! :bad_boys_20:

[diggerrigger]

People need to stop watching Fox News and feeding into the FEAR.

ISIS is a 1000 radicals operating in a largely rural area controlling no real infrastructure. They use the media and internet to their advantage and many are drinking it in as they watch FOX news.

With all the stupid things they keep doing it will be the islamic countries, themselves, who will rid the earth of these guys. They are not doing a good job of endearing themselves to any of their neighbors.

I won't be fashioning any tin foil hats, doing any prepping, nor will I loose sleep tonight.

Short of going in there and killing every one of them without mercy - which nobody seems to have the intestinal fortitude for - The way to fight these guys is cut them off from the same technology they are using to grow their movement.

These guys are nuts. The countries who were once sympathetic to them are beginning to view them as terrorists. Their own actions will seal their own fate.

I struggle with this question because I find 'preppers' to be self absorbed. This world is gonna end Aug /../.. is nothing short of hilarious . The year is 2015 but don't you realize there will be a 20015 ?
Let us explore this, is the world going to change ? .. umm yes. Will man continue to fight to the death over perceived differences of thought ? check . Continue to build better weapons to achieve more efficient ways to kill each other? Heck that's why we pay taxes . Will the species continue to soil this petri dish called Earth for any short sighted reasons. Hell yaa !

If you want to store a bunch of dry beans and live a hole you built in the ground , pump in those blonde ladies 'breaking news' that the scary brown people are massing at the border by satellite dish go ahead. BUT please don't give yourself comfort by telling us all how you got it figured and your all prepped up.

Full disclosure : Diggers family has the best dam root cellar in southern Alberta but its for storing potatoes NOT hiding , diggers old man hoards food cause he grew up poor and bullets well , we have a few .

[score]

We are going to need a strong America once again, hopefully they will get a real leader in the Whitehouse, one that will stare down these cowards and do what needs to be done once and for all...a weak America is not what the world needs right now

right on bp.


"Political correctness" wether intentional or not is freedom's enemies most effective weapon.
They've used it in europe to great success and are mimicking the tactic here. Our bureaucracy has swallowed it hook line and sinker and not only spews it's self hate but uses it to punish Canadians with their hiring policies to further this tainted poison.

There is a glimmer of hope as pockets of europe are starting to fight back. Unfortunately they have allowed themselves to be completely disarmed of their freedom by voting socialist for decades, so I'm not sure if they'll be able to bring their countries back from the abyss or not.

indeed and I'm not so sure either, nor confident that we don't follow the same path.

[Zip]

I may be naively over-optimistic, but contrary to "dooms-day" scenarios, I have a hard time believing that radicalism will (at least in my lifetime) organize itself in such a fashion, so as to overtake and rule any country in the Western world. The pockets of radicalism will continue to be a thorn in our side for sure, and, the one-off attacks, even within our borders, will likely continue. I think given the fact that ISIS-type videos are there for all the world to see, creates the illusion that ISIS-type radicalism is much bigger than it actually is.



Having said that, the only way to eradicate radicalism will be to systematically sweep the main countries in which it exists, with a multi-national coalition force of 'boots on the ground', and slowly weed it out of the caves and crevices.

Yes..this should be "the" plan Artist

[marlin1]

this is why there's a 22 ammo shortage still in the US :) .

[drake]

this is the reaction "they" want. "They" want to create a divide between muslims and non muslims. "They" will use this divide and the extreme reactions of zenophobes to bolster their ranks by spreading "their" radical propganda to the young and impressionable. "They" are winning this war by striking fear in the "regular north american". "They" want you to look at those visibile minorites with suspicion, "they" want you to stereotype, "they" want you to react online......

Dont react....but at the same time dont be an unaware target either. Arm yourself with facts and knowledge.

[benamen]

I may be naively over-optimistic, but contrary to "dooms-day" scenarios, I have a hard time believing that radicalism will (at least in my lifetime) organize itself in such a fashion, so as to overtake and rule any country in the Western world. The pockets of radicalism will continue to be a thorn in our side for sure, and, the one-off attacks, even within our borders, will likely continue. I think given the fact that ISIS-type videos are there for all the world to see, creates the illusion that ISIS-type radicalism is much bigger than it actually is.

Having said that, the only way to eradicate radicalism will be to systematically sweep the main countries in which it exists, with a multi-national coalition force of 'boots on the ground', and slowly weed it out of the caves and crevices.

The birth rates in developed countries are currently too low to sustain themselves. Hence the immigration policies from countries with a high birthrate. Mulsim countries usually have a high birth rate. As it has been stated before, the Muslims will be able to take over developed nations without firing a shot.

[58thecat]

WW3 will be quick, WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones...

[huntsfurfish]

People need to stop watching Fox News and feeding into the FEAR.

ISIS is a 1000 radicals operating in a largely rural area controlling no real infrastructure. They use the media and internet to their advantage and many are drinking it in as they watch FOX news.

With all the stupid things they keep doing it will be the islamic countries, themselves, who will rid the earth of these guys. They are not doing a good job of endearing themselves to any of their neighbors.

I won't be fashioning any tin foil hats, doing any prepping, nor will I loose sleep tonight.

Short of going in there and killing every one of them without mercy - which nobody seems to have the intestinal fortitude for - The way to fight these guys is cut them off from the same technology they are using to grow their movement.

These guys are nuts. The countries who were once sympathetic to them are beginning to view them as terrorists. Their own actions will seal their own fate.

I have to agree with you EZM.

And doom and gloom has been around for a long time.

[bison]

The birth rates in developed countries are currently too low to sustain themselves. Hence the immigration policies from countries with a high birthrate. Mulsim countries usually have a high birth rate. As it has been stated before, the Muslims will be able to take over developed nations without firing a shot.THIS^^^^^.

Never mind mid east Muslims killing each other, all it does is sending refugees across the world to countries willing to take them and by doing so are speeding up their own demise.
All you have to do is look at Europe and the UK in particlar
Don't expect Europe to join the war against ISIS anytime soon.

[coyote madness]

You know , I don't feel that some kind of " prepping " as it were is wrong , Mostly because I have kids and feel that I have obligation to make sure in the event of what ever might happen , They have safe place to go and have food .

Who knows if ww3 will happen but you can bet something got to break , The way the states is printing money based on gold reserves that no one is even sure exists.

The past has tought me something , and that is " War creates jobs " and keeps the money wheel going ....... Who knows !!

[chris762]

It seems like certain governments and especially news broadcasters promote the fear of terrorism, as in " A population that is afraid is easier to control. " As far as an EMP detonating overhead, no electric grid means no gas, no phones, no computers, no communication, no food delivered by truck, no this, that or the other. But like a lot of folks out there are saying, just pay attention to what is going on around you. Hope-fully, nothing really bad will happen, but don't get blind-sided if it does. Worrying to much can make you ill, so enjoy every minute, all the time. And no, that is not a Faraday cage I am installing around my house, just something for holding the stucco on.

[coastalhunter]

This is why, being only 24, I'm not handing over my guns.

[drizzle64]

The birth rates in developed countries are currently too low to sustain themselves. Hence the immigration policies from countries with a high birthrate. Mulsim countries usually have a high birth rate. As it has been stated before, the Muslims will be able to take over developed nations without firing a shot.

we have a winner

[rugatika]

The birth rates in developed countries are currently too low to sustain themselves. Hence the immigration policies from countries with a high birthrate. Mulsim countries usually have a high birth rate. As it has been stated before, the Muslims will be able to take over developed nations without firing a shot.

Mark Steyn. "America Alone" good book for those interested in this topic in greater detail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xw-lU838pA

[HalfBreed]

I don't think the Native population is very muslim and apparently they are on the breeding upswing as well.

Perhaps they can cleanse the homefront.

[huntwat]

The ‘Doomsday Clock’ now at three minutes to midnight.

It's almost time to say your prayers.



Prayers? That's the sort of thing that has caused all of this.

[obsessed1]

As a born again believer I KNOW what is going to happen because its found in the book of Revalations. However Paul himself believed that the end time would be in his lifetime. I have NO fear in what has happened nor in what will happen because I believe in a soverign God who will carry out his designed plan for HIS glory..
I'm not at all trying to start a debate here on evryones religeous beliefs just puttin mine on the table.
That said I live in an old house and I have plans to keep my family warm should my furnace quit in -30 weather.
I have witnessed the going ons from the aftermath of Katrina and what happened as a result.
Gosh even Vancouver irrupted after nothing more than a silly game slapping a rubber puck around a slippery surface.
Being prepaired to protect and provide for my loved ones in NO WAY means that im a paranoid fear mongerer with a years supply of food.
Fiscally I prepare for tight times and my families future.
does this make me fearful of loosing my employment?
I would rather be prepaired for an uncertain future than to dig my head in the sand and convince myself it could never happen to me.
I personally have friends who had to flee thier homes in the middle of the night in other countries around the world and had to make decisions for thier families that God willing I WILL NEVER HAVE TO MAKE because of persecution but if you talk to these folks they never thought it possible in thier lives either.

My TRUST is in nothing other than MY GOD therefore I have nothing to fear, however being prepared is not driven by fear but instead by RESPONSIBLITY.


again Im NOT trying to open a debate Im just putting my views out there

[ArtG]

If one looks at the direction the government is pushing you can almost see the OLD Russian "Communism" taking effect. If the government start asking for our gun then every one can start panicking. Just as any old pole first thing they did when communism fell is they got armed so it wouldn't happen again.

[rugatika]

If one looks at the direction the government is pushing you can almost see the OLD Russian "Communism" taking effect. If the government start asking for our gun then every one can start panicking. Just as any old pole first thing they did when communism fell is they got armed so it wouldn't happen again.

I'm not panicking, but the government, as we know, has already started asking for "some" guns.

[Rockman]

IMO, the world tends to never really "end," per se. Things have a habit of continuing. It's in everyone's interests, especially gov and big business (the ones that make things happen) to keep life going, food/supplies produced, people buying, etc. And obviously both middle class and regular Joe's want life and normalcy to go on.

What does happen is a wearing away in just about all areas. Politicians get dumber and more deadlocked; the environment... well, we kinda go back & forth on that one, perhaps not too bad in NA, but overall we're doing terribly; economies get worse and worse, as wealth and decisions/power are concentrated in the hands of few who are soooo far removed from most of the world's reality, etc.

So yeah, I find it short-sighted to say or prepare for the world to end in one swoop on X date. It'll either slowly devolve and then end up in a big nuclear mess, or just slowly devolve and get worse and worse, yet carry on??? But an immediate calamity is extremely unlikely. If one wants to prepare, it's only smart to think of the most immediate needs, the most likely events. Like being ready to deal with: furnace quitting in -30; city gas/electricity/? going down for X time; ice storm; flood; fire, etc.

Consider what might happen in your area and how it would affect you, and prepare accordingly. I'm never of the opinion that I'll get aid or a handout. I feel like preparing and taking responsibility for your own immediate needs, within reason, is only wise.

Now, as to a HEMP's and such... while it's remote, it is possible. I'd like to think that, as dumb and hatred-filled as humankind is, we'll avoid literally bombing most of the world back into the stone age, and instead carry on arguing and devolving into soft and inherently self-destructing liberal mindsets instead (AAAARGH!!!!). :-) But...

[Twisted Canuck]

WWIII? Really? Yawn.....now relax, go back to work, drink some tea, and worry about something more pressing. Like being a good consumer. Or, be afraid of war, pestilence, famine, recession, bleeding gums. Whatever the MSM tells you to be afraid of.

[From The Hip]

WWIII? Really? Yawn.....now relax, go back to work, drink some tea, and worry about something more pressing. Like being a good consumer. Or, be afraid of war, pestilence, famine, recession, bleeding gums. Whatever the MSM tells you to be afraid of.

X2 ^

World war 3 as in NUKES?...not likely.There have been a grand total of 2 Atomic bombs used to decimate human life.The bombs dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.Since then there have been literally HUNDREDS of tests with the majority of the conducted by the USA and the USSR along with Britain/France/Germany/India/China/Israel.All told there were just over 2000 tests up to 1998(you can watch a time lapse of it on youtube).These tests were to make the bomb both bigger for detruction and smaller in actual size of the warhead.

Will China start lobbing nukes or for that matter will the USA.Not likely as it is mutual destruction.

The real scary thing is the boilogical warfare research and development that has been done and is ongoing.The world never heard of SARS before and suddenly there was a mass panic over it.Then it was off the radar.That was either something that got out of a lab by mistake or it was a test.Up till a couple of years ago the world had never encountered avian flu or swine flu....virus's that for the most part dont affect humans but they certainly decimate humans food supply...just sayin.What is next...bovine flu?.....no documented or known case of it thus far and BSE does not count but the BSE virus could be mutated into something more sinister obviously.

No I am not a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy nutjob.I just stated a few hypothetical ideas that kind of make sense considering the world had never enountered SARS/Avian flu/Swine flu before.

FTH

[wildwoods]

As a born again believer I KNOW what is going to happen because its found in the book of Revalations. However Paul himself believed that the end time would be in his lifetime. I have NO fear in what has happened nor in what will happen because I believe in a soverign God who will carry out his designed plan for HIS glory..
I'm not at all trying to start a debate here on evryones religeous beliefs just puttin mine on the table.
That said I live in an old house and I have plans to keep my family warm should my furnace quit in -30 weather.
I have witnessed the going ons from the aftermath of Katrina and what happened as a result.
Gosh even Vancouver irrupted after nothing more than a silly game slapping a rubber puck around a slippery surface.
Being prepaired to protect and provide for my loved ones in NO WAY means that im a paranoid fear mongerer with a years supply of food.
Fiscally I prepare for tight times and my families future.
does this make me fearful of loosing my employment?
I would rather be prepaired for an uncertain future than to dig my head in the sand and convince myself it could never happen to me.
I personally have friends who had to flee thier homes in the middle of the night in other countries around the world and had to make decisions for thier families that God willing I WILL NEVER HAVE TO MAKE because of persecution but if you talk to these folks they never thought it possible in thier lives either.

My TRUST is in nothing other than MY GOD therefore I have nothing to fear, however being prepared is not driven by fear but instead by RESPONSIBLITY.


again Im NOT trying to open a debate Im just putting my views out there

Good post

[HalfBreed]

Maybe a download of Jericho and finding a salt mine is in order. If it worked on TV, it's sure to work in real life. :bad_boys_20:

[Grizzly Adams]

We're in WWlll right now and we're gonna lose cause we're not willing to acknowledge it.

Grizz

[RandyBoBandy]

People need to stop watching Fox News and feeding into the FEAR.

ISIS is a 1000 radicals operating in a largely rural area controlling no real infrastructure. They use the media and internet to their advantage and many are drinking it in as they watch FOX news.

With all the stupid things they keep doing it will be the islamic countries, themselves, who will rid the earth of these guys. They are not doing a good job of endearing themselves to any of their neighbors.

I won't be fashioning any tin foil hats, doing any prepping, nor will I loose sleep tonight.

Short of going in there and killing every one of them without mercy - which nobody seems to have the intestinal fortitude for - The way to fight these guys is cut them off from the same technology they are using to grow their movement.

These guys are nuts. The countries who were once sympathetic to them are beginning to view them as terrorists. Their own actions will seal their own fate.
I'm thinking along these ideas :)

[Rockman]

Yeah, it seems they're going too far, and will be their own undoing. Good riddance.

[IR_mike]

this is the reaction "they" want. "They" want to create a divide between muslims and non muslims. "They" will use this divide and the extreme reactions of zenophobes to bolster their ranks by spreading "their" radical propganda to the young and impressionable. "They" are winning this war by striking fear in the "regular north american". "They" want you to look at those visibile minorites with suspicion, "they" want you to stereotype, "they" want you to react online......

Dont react....but at the same time dont be an unaware target either. Arm yourself with facts and knowledge.

Good post.

[Adwittoutdoors]

Why worry about WW111 !!! It'll never happen. The 1 % won't let it happen. No one could stomach another WW111. Small conflicts yes. Biological warfare or some out break is more worrisome to me. Second would be Mother Nature. She can sure destroy cities , islands etc. quickly. Also to all the end of the world preppers .... Have fun when you come out of your holes when you run out of supplies and the world is a waste land ( if things came to that ) Congrats on living in more fear for a few more months ( than I got to ) wondering what's happening up there and what's to come. But the more pressing issue is where are the darn perch ???? It's been a rough hard water season for me in that regard. :angry3: