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Iron Brew
02-23-2015, 07:58 AM
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/opinion/Opinion+Klein+policies+into+this+mess/10830590/story.html

It’s curious how the proponents of the “cut first and ask questions later” approach to provincial budgeting continue trying to spread the myth Ralph Klein’s cuts in the 1990s were necessary, and that somehow Alberta and Albertans are better off because of them. It’s as if they believe that singing the same refrains over and over will make them true. But the reality is that these claims are as false today as they were back in 1993.

First among those refrains is the myth that Alberta’s debt and spending were “out of control” when Klein became premier. In 1992, Alberta’s accumulated debt (financial assets minus liabilities) stood at just over $8 billion, with most of that incurred after 1986. To put that number into perspective, combined subsidies to agriculture and oil and gas totalled $11.2 billion between 1986 and 1992. In other words, had Klein eliminated those subsidies, the debt would have disappeared in six years. Not much of a crisis, right?

Likewise, spending on public services in Alberta had already been steadily declining for six years when Klein took office. As late as 1992, the Don Getty government was boasting about having cut spending, in real terms, by close to $3 billion, or 15 per cent, between 1986 and 1992. Again, after six years of significant cuts to spending, it is difficult to fathom how anyone could realistically claim that spending was out of control.

It is important to highlight that all of this happened in the context of the price of oil having completely collapsed, going from a high of $40 in 1981 to a low of just $10 in 1986. It’s also important to remember that Alberta was by then already collecting a lower portion of its budget from corporate and individual taxes than any other province in the country.

So, with revenues from oil and gas dropping by more than 50 per cent practically overnight, the lowest taxation rates in the country, a 15-per-cent reduction in program spending over six years, and over $11.2 billion in subsidies to agriculture and oil and gas over the same period, we are expected to believe that, somehow, the best way to move forward in 1992 was to gut public spending and decimate public sector salaries.

All this is aggravated by the myth that Klein’s austerity policies were responsible for paying down the provincial debt. What this argument conveniently fail to remember was the fire sale on provincial government assets that Klein and his government oversaw, beginning with approximately half a billion dollars from the sale of Alberta’s remaining stock in Alberta Energy Company, followed quickly by the sell-off of Alberta’s registry offices and liquor stores.

All these public assets were sold at well below market value in order to get the cash into the province’s books as quickly as possible and make the bottom line look good. Of course, all of those assets were also sources of reliable and predictable revenue streams for the government, and AEC had the added benefit of providing Albertans with a direct stake in the province’s energy sector.

As for the long-term impact of Klein’s policies on Alberta, there can be little debate. Just as the international price of oil was starting to climb and the economy was recovering in the mid-1990s, Klein actually slowed down the economic recovery by putting thousands of people out of work and greatly reducing the purchasing power of those public servants who got to keep their jobs. Then to top it off, by refusing to invest in needed infrastructure, Klein successfully kept thousands of tradespeople and construction workers out of work while running up a multibillion-dollar infrastructure deficit.

He then further reduced the revenue Albertans were receiving from their natural resources by reducing government’s take and creating penny-on-the-dollar oilsands royalties, while simultaneously making us more dependent than ever on natural resource revenues by instituting the flat tax, which took more than $2 billion a year in tax revenue out of government coffers.

Ultimately, despite the chorus of ideologues arguing the contrary, Klein’s policies in the ’90s did permanent damage to our public services, hurt the economic recovery, made us more dependent on volatile oil prices, gutted government revenues, created an infrastructure deficit we’re still working to recover from, and left Albertans with next to nothing to show for our natural resource wealth. In other words, it is those policies that directly led to the economic and financial issues our province is grappling with today.

If Premier Jim Prentice is serious about securing Alberta’s future, the thoughtful evidence-based approach would suggest doing the exact opposite of Klein in the forthcoming budget.

Ricardo Acuna is executive director of the Parkland Institute, a public policy research institute in the faculty of arts at the University of Alberta.

densa44
02-23-2015, 08:22 AM
If people think that there is an external enemy debt or anything else for that matter, it gives you a perfect opportunity to get way with almost anything, even one of the finest hospitals in the country.

It is also a great chance to even old scores.

Beware of policies that have a very short term approach based on an "enemy"

As Pogo said "we have seen the enemy and he is us."

thumper
02-23-2015, 08:30 AM
[QUOTE Ricardo Acuna is executive director of the Parkland Institute, a public policy research institute in the faculty of arts at the University of Alberta.[/QUOTE]

An 'opinion' from the faculty of arts academia; our natural ruling class. Didn't like Klein Surprise surprise surprise.

oldgutpile
02-23-2015, 08:49 AM
Just one man's opinion. Just like rectums:everyone has one, most of them stink!

Another armchair critic who could rule the world from his keyboard. So easy to look back on history and make judgement calls, as opposed to making the right call when necessary.

Bigwoodsman
02-23-2015, 09:00 AM
IIRC Alberta was 29 Billion dollars in debt when Klein took over in 1992/93.

Again all these numbers can be manipulated to meet your needs at the time. 29 Billion 8Billion it does it really matter? MLA's Premiures, governing party will document and manipulate the numbers to meet their own agenda. The really do give a rats petut about any of us.

Same as 40.00 50.00 100.00 oil the oil and gas companies will do what and say whatever they have to so that shareholders don't panic. They don't care about contractors employee's families. We will all be there and available when they come calling.

What needs to be done and unfortunately the Western world doesn't have the gonads to do it is to point our arsenal at the Saudis and take out their oil fields. They have been backing Al-Qaeda, ISIS and most of the terrorist and we tolerate this. We all know that there are more oil reserves in northern ALberta then there is in Saudi Arabia. Time to put the heat on them and get our own back working producing and supplying our own protest against the Terrorist.

What did Bush say. Follow the money. Well they did and they know where it's coming from but they didn't to and dam thing about it.

Rant over

BW

pseelk
02-23-2015, 09:14 AM
What is wrong with government not spending more than they take in,IE,Live within your means instead of comeing to taxpayers every year for more money?

Winch101
02-23-2015, 09:37 AM
Jimmy and the PC mafia haven't started their shock , awe and scare
Assault on the mindless in this province . Paranoia you into voting
PC .
We actually need more info like the OP . Wake up people our ,politics is
Synonymies with the tactics used by Adolf and the boys circa 1937 .
We are not storming the bunker in the Chuk yet but keep your powder dry .

Talk to any union member who worked here in the Ralph era , Klein
Sucked big time . Actually an example of the hoax that can be perpetrated
on the public , when most are walking around with their heads firmly
Wedged in their butt holes.

schmedlap
02-23-2015, 11:16 AM
The Parkland Institute should label itself the supposedly independent propaganda wing of the ND Party and AUPE, which is what it has always been. So consistently and determinedly biased - they can put a far leftard spin on anything.
I guess this is why the people of Alberta despised Ralph so much ...? Wait, didn't even the union member segment of the populace vote him back in overwhelmingly several times in a row? Ignorant peasants - how dare you?

Winch101
02-23-2015, 11:34 AM
There are two possibilities either the Alberta voter isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer .......or two fat to care who is handing out the gravy .
The PC s here could run a circus monkey and win .....oh wait they did that
She's gone .

Interesting point about Ralph looking after his oil buddies ....The initiation
Of the Alberta Free ride .

This is likely closer to the truth ...


http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/djclimenhaga/2013/03/remembering-ralph-klein-discussing-union-bargaining-styles-over-

amosfella
02-23-2015, 11:34 AM
IIRC Alberta was 29 Billion dollars in debt when Klein took over in 1992/93.

Again all these numbers can be manipulated to meet your needs at the time. 29 Billion 8Billion it does it really matter? MLA's Premiures, governing party will document and manipulate the numbers to meet their own agenda. The really do give a rats petut about any of us.

Same as 40.00 50.00 100.00 oil the oil and gas companies will do what and say whatever they have to so that shareholders don't panic. They don't care about contractors employee's families. We will all be there and available when they come calling.

What needs to be done and unfortunately the Western world doesn't have the gonads to do it is to point our arsenal at the Saudis and take out their oil fields. They have been backing Al-Qaeda, ISIS and most of the terrorist and we tolerate this. We all know that there are more oil reserves in northern ALberta then there is in Saudi Arabia. Time to put the heat on them and get our own back working producing and supplying our own protest against the Terrorist.

What did Bush say. Follow the money. Well they did and they know where it's coming from but they didn't to and dam thing about it.

Rant over

BW

But the western governments need them to keep the sheeple looking elsewhere than where said sheeple need to be looking...

bb356
02-23-2015, 03:41 PM
There are two possibilities either the Alberta voter isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer .......or two fat to care who is handing out the gravy .
The PC s here could run a circus monkey and win .....oh wait they did that
She's gone .

Interesting point about Ralph looking after his oil buddies ....The initiation
Of the Alberta Free ride .

This is likely closer to the truth ...


http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/djclimenhaga/2013/03/remembering-ralph-klein-discussing-union-bargaining-styles-over-


Thank's for the link !!!

JamesB
02-23-2015, 04:26 PM
As for the long-term impact of Klein’s policies on Alberta, there can be little debate. Just as the international price of oil was starting to climb and the economy was recovering in the mid-1990s, Klein actually slowed down the economic recovery by putting thousands of people out of work and greatly reducing the purchasing power of those public servants who got to keep their jobs. Then to top it off, by refusing to invest in needed infrastructure, Klein successfully kept thousands of tradespeople and construction workers out of work while running up a multibillion-dollar infrastructure deficit.


Obviously an economics whiz. His theory being that by paying public servants we boost the economy. Of course to pay them the rest of the population needs to pay higher taxes. For some reason he seems to think that paying higher taxes has no effect on spending. Obviously it does and people have less to spend causing the same problem, slower economic recovery.
There is never anything wrong with governments spending less. The problem is that very few are very good at targeting waste (it benefits their friends the most), so we end up with blanket reductions when targeted ones would be better.

avb3
02-23-2015, 06:42 PM
Jimmy and the PC mafia haven't started their shock , awe and scare
Assault on the mindless in this province . Paranoia you into voting
PC .
We actually need more info like the OP . Wake up people our ,politics is
Synonymies with the tactics used by Adolf and the boys circa 1937 .
We are not storming the bunker in the Chuk yet but keep your powder dry .

Talk to any union member who worked here in the Ralph era , Klein
Sucked big time . Actually an example of the hoax that can be perpetrated
on the public , when most are walking around with their heads firmly
Wedged in their butt holes.

Other than the AUPE, and most of those members voted PC, the other union members mostly supported Klein. Most union members are so because they have to be where they work, not because they are members because of their philosophy.

Sources:

http://www.albertacanada.com/business/overview/unionization-rates.aspx

Quoting:

Alberta's overall unionization rate is estimated at 22.8%. The public sector (public administration, education and health) makes up the bulk of this rate.

In other words, government. Very little outside of government are union. In fact, less than 12%. Sort of the pimple on the elephants rump, annoying, but not really of consequence.

BlackHeart
02-23-2015, 07:14 PM
Ricardo Acuna should write fairy tales....he has a way with inventing fantasies and creating worlds where the truth is malleable and economics irrelevant.

Hey Prentice!!.....how much do we fund the arts and the faculty of arts that they can have a public policy "institute" with a highly paid "Executive Director" ?? What a bet that this piece of $&&$ has a total public funded salary past $200G's?

I am so glad he spoke up to defend against cuts......his head should be first on the budget balancing chopping block.

thumper
02-23-2015, 08:20 PM
No.... academia overpaid?

From the Calgary Herald:

U of A President Indira Samarasekera, whose $529,000 annual salary is the highest among all Canadian university presidents, was grilled about her earnings by attendees at a state of the university address last month.Oct 4, 2013

rugatika
02-23-2015, 09:24 PM
Guys like Acuna are gonna make having a University degree the equivalent of having leprosy.