The Gun Debate

[Craftyhunter]

To all those concerned:

I am watching at this very moment the "GUN DEBATE" on Bell ExpressVu's pay per view. This debate is extremely informative as to to depth of ignorance and entrenchment the anti's are going to come at us with.

On this program there's this Aussie woman going on about the proliferation of small arms around the world. Herself and her coalition of organizations have gained a foot hold in the UN. They are trying to get a treaty signed by countries around the world to a total ban on guns. She has an amazing twist to reality. Although she's accurate in the number of gun deaths in the countries she uses as examples, she is amazingly selective in the statistics that she believes. Her rebuttal to the fact the violent crime in countries with gun restrictions has gone up dramatically is an intelligent

" I just don't believe it "

Which I have been keeping track of. And the NRA guy was completely accurate in his statistics.

The thing is now falling into American bashing. The fact that this woman believes that UN decrees should be binding to all is scary. Everyone knows the UN is controlled by despots and sociopaths.

What I want to bring to everyone's attention is that a UN treaty of complete private citizen ban on firearm ownership is being pushed through in 2006. And you know what this means! The feds are always ready to jump on this kind of UN band wagon. Keep in mind that sometime after 2006 if the Feds sign this treaty all the guns you guys registered are being confiscated.

Man its funny how she jumps all over the place. Anyway I gotta watch the rest of this farce.

[debate]

Any way to find out when this is on again, or get copy? We're not on Bell, any other carriers?

[RackHunter]

What I want to bring to everyone's attention is that a UN treaty of complete private citizen ban on firearm ownership is being pushed through in 2006. And you know what this means! The feds are always ready to jump on this kind of UN band wagon. Keep in mind that sometime after 2006 if the Feds sign this treaty all the guns you guys registered are being confiscated

:eek

I guess that's the worst case scenario .

[Craftyhunter]

I don't know about carriers but there is a website.

Goto www.thegundebate.com

Too vote the password is : gun2004

After I voted a listing for the rebroadcast came up. It will be rebroadcast until Oct. 20. I think I'll tape it and pass it around. If anyone is interested in getting in Edmonton I'll give it to you once I tape it. My only condition is that you copy it and pass it off to someone else.

The things that this woman says about Canada and its gun laws are completely false. So it kind off raises a question of accuracy about the rest of her "facts".

Its to bad though that the NRA guy wasn't a very good debater. He tried but wasn't able to appeal to peoples emotions.

[After The season]

AT least i hope they waite untill after the season ends cus man that will suck other wise . anrate 8o

[Tucumseh]

Its been said many times before that gun registry will lead to confiscation. When will these dough heads learn..........its not guns that kill, its the people that use em.

Though we are regulated up to our eyeballs with courses and fees for this and that, I do agree with the safe handling courses the government has in place for new hunters and first time gun owners. Education is our best policy.

These narrow minded ideas..........ban all guns and we fix the problems of the world. They seem to forget about the black market and the many illegal ways to obtain a gun if a criminal has intent.

Anyrate, thats the way I see it! 8o

[Listen to Reason, no]

The most critical time of the debate for freedom fighters was when Wayne LaPierre gave his own statistics. Statistics lie when the wrong sources are used. DId you notice Peters didn't cite her sources unless it served her? It was beautiful when LaPierre pulled out a newspaper and a chart with information directly from the government. The bottom line is that governments can only control the distribution of guns on legal levels, not when they're on the streets. Where do citizens get them? And where do criminals get them? Look at who gun control is controlling! Listen to Mrs. Peters' responses which ignore LaPierre's points. It's like he's talking to a brick wall. The scary thing is, this brick wall is about to slam down on honest, peace loving Americans. May our blessed government save us.

[Firearm Statistics]

Speaking of statistics... I love this little quote:

"People tend to use statistics like a drunk uses lamp posts... for support rather than illumination"

or another:

"There are two kinds of statistics... the kind you look up and the kind you make up".

and on accountability:

"If guns kill people then pencils make spelling mistakes".

I suspect my High school English teachers owe me lengthy apologies and grade evaluations.

Regards, Mike

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[McCurdy1234]

What registered guns? Mine were all stolen years ago. Or is it still sitting at a gunsmith? I think I dropped it in the river while hunting. Hmmm, I better think of some better excuses:lol

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[McCurdy1234]

Where did you hear\see this?
A little scary to say the least

[Digger]

You can find more info here:

www.canadiangunnutz.com/v...12&start=0 (http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/viewtopic.php?t=62612&start=0)

You may have to register. Its a good site for firearms information and anyway.

[McCurdy1234]

I already read the post you mentioned at CGN but I don't think it specifically said the agreement had been signed. Is there an actual article oster?

[old news]

"What I want to bring to everyone's attention is that a UN treaty of complete private citizen ban on firearm ownership is being pushed through in 2006.

In Europe, eg. belgium, the netherlands and france are working on new gunlaws ... at almost the same time. Coincidence? :(

[The US and the UN]

I can't see the U.S. ever going along with a UN mandate to completely outlaw private ownership of firearms. I guess we're lucky the U.S. is so pig-headed about their constitution huh? :lol

[McCurdy1234]

Speaking of our American friends and their rights, I wonder if the English bill of rights written in 1689 still applies.
Only reason I was wondering is because I found these points interesting

That the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law;

and

Upon which their said Majesties did accept the crown and royal dignity of the kingdoms of England, France and Ireland, and the dominions thereunto belonging, according to the resolution and desire of the said Lords and Commons contained in the said declaration.
Are we not still a dominion?

you can read the rest here www.constitution.org/eng/eng_bor.htm (http://www.constitution.org/eng/eng_bor.htm)

or if you really want to do some reading or check some interesting links go to home.cogeco.ca/~akimoya/rfc/other.html (http://home.cogeco.ca/~akimoya/rfc/other.html)




[ I guess the allowed by law thing kind of throws a wrench in my fantasy though ]

[gun debate cop]

You can get a DVD copy from the NRA in the USA...
but I went to the "vote site" only to find it up for sale...