buying /selling unregistered guns.
04-15-2005, 02:44 PM
There is a post in the classifieds, where some one is looking for an unpapered rifle. I asked for some clarification of "unpapered" and the thread no longer was about buying a rifle, so I came here to address some of the concerns I had.
"Lighten up a little Redfrog.There are bigger fish to fry than this.I'm not saying owning a unregistered gun is right but there does come a time when government goes too far and you have to make a stand.Your only fooling yourself if you think the gunregistry is here to help law enforcement agencies and help in the fight against crime.It's a way to track all the firearms in the homes of law abiding people and some day confiscate them and every one knows this unless your really niaeve."
DJ, I have no idea where you got the idea that I thought or said the gun registry served any useful purpose to anyone. Please do not put words in my mouth.
I agree that it is a way to track firearms and their owners. I think it is the single biggest screw up and fraud that the federal gov't has ever tried to perpetrate against the citizens of this country in my lifetime, and I've seen plenty.
I don't care if someone has an unregistered firearm. I don't care if they sell that firearm. I don't care if someone buys the thing. But when it is advertised on the internet, supported on the internet and promoted on an outdoor message board as a normal transaction, I do have a problem with it.
These sales have NOTHING to do with telling the gov't "Enough is enough" If that is the intent of the transaction, then join Edward Hudson and his crew and head to Ottawa and do it on the steps of Parliament. Get yourself arrested and your property seized. Get charged and pursue relief for your beliefs in the courts.
These guys are trying to do something positive and I support them.
Otherwise all this does is expose the buyer/seller to scrutiny,search and seizure by anyone with a gun registry agenda, who reads this board.
It reinforces the antis views, however flawed, of a gun owner. It gives ammunition to their argument, whether it is factual or simply fodder to be twisted to suit their purpose.
The anti gun people do not need our help to further their cause. Why any gun owner would help them escapes me.
We should be putting our efforts into helping get this piece of trash law where it belongs and the people that brought it into effect should be thrown out of office.
So DJ, in your view, has the gov't "gone too far"? Is it time to "make a stand"? If so, how would you suggest we go about it. Sounds like you and I are on the same side of this issue.
And would you help me out here. I don't know of any bigger fish to fry than the registry. Tell me what you think is more important than wasting 2 billion dollars to turn law abiding citizens into criminals, make laws that the law enforcement have no stomach to enforce, put in place laws to confiscate private property without compensation, all the while doing absolutely NOTHING to make our country or citizens safer.
I hope this has cleared up where I stand on the registry. I think there are better ways to deal with it than standing up , thumbing my nose and saying" Take your best shot".
"Lighten up a little Redfrog.There are bigger fish to fry than this.I'm not saying owning a unregistered gun is right but there does come a time when government goes too far and you have to make a stand.Your only fooling yourself if you think the gunregistry is here to help law enforcement agencies and help in the fight against crime.It's a way to track all the firearms in the homes of law abiding people and some day confiscate them and every one knows this unless your really niaeve."
DJ, I have no idea where you got the idea that I thought or said the gun registry served any useful purpose to anyone. Please do not put words in my mouth.
I agree that it is a way to track firearms and their owners. I think it is the single biggest screw up and fraud that the federal gov't has ever tried to perpetrate against the citizens of this country in my lifetime, and I've seen plenty.
I don't care if someone has an unregistered firearm. I don't care if they sell that firearm. I don't care if someone buys the thing. But when it is advertised on the internet, supported on the internet and promoted on an outdoor message board as a normal transaction, I do have a problem with it.
These sales have NOTHING to do with telling the gov't "Enough is enough" If that is the intent of the transaction, then join Edward Hudson and his crew and head to Ottawa and do it on the steps of Parliament. Get yourself arrested and your property seized. Get charged and pursue relief for your beliefs in the courts.
These guys are trying to do something positive and I support them.
Otherwise all this does is expose the buyer/seller to scrutiny,search and seizure by anyone with a gun registry agenda, who reads this board.
It reinforces the antis views, however flawed, of a gun owner. It gives ammunition to their argument, whether it is factual or simply fodder to be twisted to suit their purpose.
The anti gun people do not need our help to further their cause. Why any gun owner would help them escapes me.
We should be putting our efforts into helping get this piece of trash law where it belongs and the people that brought it into effect should be thrown out of office.
So DJ, in your view, has the gov't "gone too far"? Is it time to "make a stand"? If so, how would you suggest we go about it. Sounds like you and I are on the same side of this issue.
And would you help me out here. I don't know of any bigger fish to fry than the registry. Tell me what you think is more important than wasting 2 billion dollars to turn law abiding citizens into criminals, make laws that the law enforcement have no stomach to enforce, put in place laws to confiscate private property without compensation, all the while doing absolutely NOTHING to make our country or citizens safer.
I hope this has cleared up where I stand on the registry. I think there are better ways to deal with it than standing up , thumbing my nose and saying" Take your best shot".