Will you register your firearms?

[Will you register your fire]

The pressure to register your firearms will only increase.
What will you do?
I hope your mind is made up!

[captain2kca]

I can say that no matter how much it bothers me I will not break the law. But I ma not going to just roll over without letting them know how stupid the whole thing is. I know all the organized crime syndicates are going to register their guns.

[Gun registratio]

The noose will tighten.
I wonder what the process will be to force registration? (besides the obvious fact that by law you must register all guns in 2003?
I'll bet in 2004 to even "apply" for a hunting permit you will have to show gun registration?
Or maybe you will have to show the gun registration of a "licensed guide".???
Maybe to renew your WIN card you will have to show registration?
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The government WILL continue on it's current path to gun registration REGARDLESS
of the cost, inconveniance, logic or obvious ineffectiveness of the plan.
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Remember ..... they are using YOUR money to do it so their funds are assured.
Insane ..... isn't it?

[Pappy in AB]

I'll think about it and decide in Dec 2002.

[gun reg.]

I have to admit I was surprised that enough owners blinked at the last dead-line extension to allow the grits to go ahead with their new tax. I respect the people who felt they needed to comply to be on the right side of the law however if the gun owners in this country could not get together on this one I think it's safe to say that we can remove the "Tax revolt" option from any popular politcal action in the future. In answer to the question I'm signing up because I want to hunt and by next year they will have this program dialled in. The initial cost appears to be a registration fee but it is in fact the first installment of a life time of paying a gun tax. And we all know that a tax can make the world a safer place.

[BigGameHunter]

i have already registered all 3 of mine

[HO500 RSE]

I cut all of mine up into little pieces.

[gun registrat]

to who ever this concerns.

this new gun registration rule is totally stupid . I hope you guys or gals , think about what you are doing to all
us hunters . just think of all those people who want to hunt , and can't hunt because of their age cause their dad didn't register their guns , so he can't take his little son or daughter hunting cause of you and this pathetic rule .

truly think about what your doing, pretty soon your gonna make no money , because every one is gonna just quit hunting.

[Gun Registration]

I Just received, the free offer to register my guns from the feds in the mail today, and I am tearing it up as I write this comment. Please everyone, don't give up the fight so easily.

[Pappy in AB]

I filed mine too KMart (in the fireplace it went).

[Brady]

What a joke that was, I am still laughing vigorously. I actually took a little time to read it and the one part that stuck out was that they say registration will deter crimanals from breaking into your house and stealing your guns because they would be traceable. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. And earlier they said "It's a bit like the difference between getting a drivers license and registering your car. Aquiring a firearms license shows that you understand the safe use and storage of firearms.....". Gee I am sure glad that because my truck is registered the crimanals won't steal it because it may be tracable. What a big ol pile of road apples.

Brady

[prairieboy]

I will send in the paperwork by registered mail during the last week of december.I will have complied but with the christmas rush and the massive volume of registation paperwork arriving at the same time it will take a long time to sort out the mail and perhaps even years to complete registration.The government can't force you to show registration forms to buy a hunting license because bowhunters don't have to register bows yet.

[Eprangne]

I heard you should register in another language, say low German (hutterites speak this, find one to help you) or at least French, to make it that much harder...

[Registration]

I will make no decision until the last minute. There will be amnesty after amnesty, for years to come.. They already know they are going to have to register over 40,000 guns per day, just to meet the underestimated number of firearms 'they' say are out there. My handgun(s) will be re-registered in the new system before the end of the year simply because they know I have them. The others? I don't know.. I estimate that this whole registration system will collapse shortly after the new year, and if it does not, the next thing will be restrictions on ammo purchases, to the types of firearms you have registered, and this will be marked on your 'Liberal Firearms License'.. I'm sure a lot of people will make a lot of money in the underground ammo business.. Just like booze in the prohibition era..
My general feelings? Don't sweat it, The Liberals know they can't succeed.. And when this entire farce falls apart, and the Liberals go down to defeat, we may end up better off than we have ever been before!
Call me optimistic!!

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[floods]

I tried to reg a hand gun under amnisty 4 times and did not get anywere all they did was pass the buck so I GIVE UP.

[Will you register your guns]

As an US citizen, I follow this topic with considerable interest. Reason being, cause we're probably next. It's interesting to see what peoples reactions are to this registration. Remember July 4, 1776 (declared independance from Great Britain). We may have to do it again, someday, although this time from ourselves. Best Wishes

[winged1]

Just had to throw in a comment;

I agree the registration is a horrible cash dump, and the end result (registration data base) may not have much use. Here's the scary part for me, If my guns are not registered, and subsequently siezed for non registration, my chances of getting them back in a timely manner is pretty well a fantasy. Non registration will effectively end my chances at hunting, unless I'm comfortable with loosing my arms whenever they come out of hiding. The system may well crash, but it'll likely crash on top of us. And if your arms are in the system at the time?.

[Registrati]

Yes, I've registered my firearms. Do I think it this gun control thing is stupid? Yes, I'm afraid I do. I think it is stupid because it does not go far enough to promote gun safety. Too often we hear about people getting injured or killed because of stupid mistakes.

Responsible firearm owners, of which I hope I include myself, unfortunately bear the brunt of this Government's half baked attempt to put some control in the firearm sector.

Here's what I think some of the problems are:
1) The Feds must issue an irrevocable statement that registered firearms will never be confiscated by the Government. (After all, that is what some of the fuss is about.)
2) Clean up the whole registration process. Put some positive steps in place to help people recognise that there are benefits to firearm safety. Make it convenient, quick, and free.
3) Put some teeth behind the law. Some countries (where registration has worked) actually go as far as to charge, by default, the owner of a firearm that has been used in a crime, as an accomplice to that crime. It would be up to the owner to prove that he or she had taken all the necessary steps to ensure the firearm was secure. If the firearm was stolen from a secure location, then, obviously, the owner would not be guilty.
4) Tie the firearm with ballistic evidence i.e. tie the spent cartridge cases and bullets to the firearm.
5) Limit purchase of ammunition to those calibers that have been registered by the owner.

Now, I know this won’t sit well with the majority of you out there and I expect a whole lot of negative replies. I have my firearms within a locked steel cabinet, which is inside another locked cupboard. Each firearm has a trigger lock while it is inside the cabinet. All bolts are removed and locked in a separate steel cupboard, with the ammunition. Why? Because I have two young boys who are fascinated about firearms. Each has been told not to touch the firearms, but I don’t trust them (sorry boys, I was told not to touch by my Dad, but I did.)

With all this complaining about the firearms registration, I’m nervous about letting my boys go and play at other gun owners’ houses. Are their firearms secured? Think about it – will you let your kid go and play at the house of somebody who says child pornography is OK? Then, will you let your kid go and play at the house of somebody who does not practice good gun safety?

If the government really did something to ensure firearm safety was enforced, instead of this half-assed attempt, I think we’d all be better off.

[Gun regist]

I think what everyone should do is wait until the last posibble day to send the forms in but don't send the 18 dollars. Tell them that they have wasted enough of our money and won't get anymore. Send it registered mail so theres proof they recieved it. They have the info and now they can do what they want with it. Well that's what I'm going to do.
Brad

[Gun Registration]

You had best all register something. I haden't done it yet and got a nasty gram from the government saying that my firearms lisence would be revolked 1 Jan if I didn't register something. The logic being if I didn't have anything to register I didn't need the permit.

cheers
Ron

[gun registration]

Gunrunner22a
That's hard to believe. Don't you need a POL or better to borrow a firearm?Am I wrong?
Put that back to them.

[nitepush]

Jordan is right, according to what I have read, you need a license to own OR borrow a firearm. This is the reason, I got my wife to get hers. She doesn't own any guns, but uses mine when we hunt together. We haven't received that nasty letter yet, but when we do, I will be on the phone right away.

[to CAPTAIN2KCA]

What's with the yankee flag, are you not a proud Canadian!

[In Response]

I like Brads' idea about sending in the info but not the money. To complicate matters, you could wrap up the form in about 20 boxes starting from smallest to largest (use lots of ducktape) and when they get to the actual registration form you could say...forget a letter or a number in the serial numbering of your registration. This will prompt them to call your house in order to verify numbers. Oops, but I lent my rifle to my Uncle Eddie who lives many miles away and I will have to get back to you on that. Oh, I almost forgot. Make sure you send it by registered mail (the kind that requires a signature at the other end). Let's have some fun with this and use our imaginations to complicate our governments already complicated program.

[captain2kca]

Of course I am a very proud Canadian. But I figured it would be nice to show a little respect to those civilians(especially women and children)that needlessly died Sept. 11, 2001 when a couple of cowardly terrorists attacked the World trade center. And a tip of the hat to those people in the world who have shown their support and sympathy to those that have fallen.

And for the record, I still have not registered one gun that I own. I am however getting my P.A.L. soon. My F.A.C. expires soon and I don't want to break any laws.

Don't break laws, the Govt. can't stand the competition!! All those in favour of Gun Control please raise your right hand!! HEIL MEIN FUHRER!!

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[droid1963]

Like many others, I feel it's a catch-22: either register your guns and risk future confiscation; or not register them and risk losing them for failure to comply. I will be registering mine in late December. The backlog of applications will buy lots of time. I may be naive, but I don't believe confiscation is on the mandate.

[Registration]

I registered my firearms only because I don't want the police or CO's to take them away from me if I'm ever stopped in the bush.

However, I totally refuse to lock them up in my house. I'm 30yrs old and have grown up with guns in my closet since I was a kid. Firearms have never been a mystery to me because they were always around. My father strictly enforced that I learn how to handle and clean the guns long before ever letting me shoot one. Anyone who uses the argument that guns are harmeful to children are dead wrong. If anything, the federal government should provide firearms education in schools; not set restrictions to law abiding citizens that own firearms.

I notice several people who answered this initial question have indicated that they got rid of all of their guns. By doing this, the feds have won...personally, I will never give them this benefit. When I'm too old that I can't hunt anymore, my guns will be buried deep in the bush somewhere.

[winged1]

droid1963, I may be niave also. I believe confiscation is THE mandate. This terrible outlay of cash and effort is so that you, as a registered firearm owner, can continue to hunt. The rest are going to Stelco to be melted down.

[firearm registration]

I will be registering my firearms by double registered mail on December 31.

[Answer to registra]

I are an dirty rednekit seporatiste. We will never, ever, get equal treatment from the colonial powers in Nontario and Quick, so the only answer is the expell the running dog lackies of Eastern Imperialism.

Vive Albertz Libre!8) :rollin

[Pappy in AB]

Ron, I believe the the CFC sends out that letter to all POL holders (not PAL holders). You cannot purchase a firearm with a POL...therefore you MUST already own firearms...they know you have at least one. With a PAL you need not own a firearm...however, you probably intend to own a firearm...but they do not know for certain that you own any firearms.

Randy

[Letter of intent!]

Now, all you have to do is send them a letter postmarked before Dec. 31 saying that you intend to register your guns 'someday'..
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[sirmike68]

I am not registering any of my guns! I'm just going to buy all new ones and register those. Might even pick up a handgun for the heck of it. Now there is even going to be more guns out there. YeeeHAaa

[Gun Registration]

I have no problem with the requirement to register all my guns, and did so months ago. I DO have a problem, though, with the black hole money pit created by Alan
Rockhead the Blockhead.

[Gun Registration]

The feds will never know how many I own. I will probably buy a new gun in the next year but that's the only one they will know about. Hopefully this bill will die with the Liberal party in the next election.

[gun reg]

There is no way that this gun registration makes the Canada a safer place.
The example given to me that comes to mind " the police responding to a domestic dispute can go on their computer and see if the resident has any guns registered, which will make their job safer by letting them know what's in the home." I don't think there is any cop around that would enter a premisis unprepared for the worst just because his computer says there are no guns in the house. Even if most people did comply, the police would still have enough common sense to think there may be a firearm present.
The Montreal Massacre is another example. Would have made any difference to that psycho if the gun he used was registered or not. Do you really think that if it was, and he knew it was that he would have changed his mind about it or went and found a gun that wasn't registerd. It is not the gun that kills, it's the person behind the trigger.
I beleive in people getting their possession license. This requires you to take a course and write a test to say are compitent and a back ground check is done on you. What more do the feds need.
I can almost gaurantee that within 10 to 15 years, if this gun registry plague continues, Canadians will be forced into hand in their rifles.
Here is a quote from Sir John A. MacDonald.
"IT IS NOT THE PLACE OF GOVERNMENT TO RULE, BUT RATHER TO GOVERN, LETTING THE CITIZEN EBB AND FLOW ON THE TIDES OF JUSTICE AND FREEDOM IN HIS OWN INTEREST, UNFETTERED BY UNJUST LAWS BROUGHT ABOUT BY HYSTERIA AND IGNORANCE."

[gun reg]

I forgot to add one thing. One Billion dollars sure would have gone a long way when it comes to say Health Care, Education, etc.
Another wild idea- maybe public education about gun safety might be in order.

[JSBiskup]

How is it that the fed. gov. can spend billions on the gun regisrty and we as voters and tax payers have no say in how OUR tax dollars are spent?

[Firearms r]

What will happen to people who did not register their non-restricted firearms or send in a letter of intent? I ask this question so the general poulation of this board are informed.

[The next billionbucks]

Here is a suggestion for the liberal idiots who are hiding thier agenda of confiscation behind safety - if you really want to do something about firearms safety, spend the next billion dollars (and it's going to cost a lot more than that to straighten out the registration mess!) by buying a gun safe for every firearms owner in Canada. That might actually prevent some instances of firearms getting in to the wrong hands - which your registration scheme, even if it worked, will never do.

[the next billion]

Jeans looking into this idea, he just has to line up the contracts for his old safe building company.

[Cundilini]

No matter what we think of a law, we have an obligation as citizens to obey it. I read a message by someone on an animal rights message board that said that we have no obligation to obey "unjust" laws, this was in support of somebody vandalising a retaurant.

If we want to use our firearms for hunting this year and we don't want to be charged then they will have to be registered and we will have to have a lisense.

On the other hand, I would like to see what happens when somebody gets charged under the new gun laws. I don't think I'd like to be a crown prosecutor in that situation. I seem to remember a young guy getting charged with posession of a firearm without a lisense when he was hunting with his dad's rifle. The dad instructed his lawyer to fight and recieved help from the NFA. The charges were dropped.

Does any of you guys know if there has been anybody charged with having an unregistered firearm?

[chuck403]

I think this is absolutely stupid as well but all mine are registered. I sure sleep better at night knowing that they are traceable now and if they are stolen they will come back to me LOL. If this registration is supposed to stop thefts why is auto theft up by 300 (I think that's how many more were stolen this year in Red Deer compared to the same time last year). Apparantly vehicles are registered in a totally different way......Not traceable to the owner perhaps.......No wait they are..... I do recall photo radar. Speed through one of them and you'll get a reminder to slow down in the mail. So If a regestered vehicle won't deter thieves then why would a registered gun stop them?

[Gun registration]

As a Brit who had all his pitols confiscated in the emotional aftermath of Dunblane (16 children were murdered by a registered firearm) you need to accept that registration is only the first step to confiscation.

[Salmo]

AlanJR,

It is good to hear from soneone who has experienced firearm confiscation. The majority of pro-registration people in this country think that confiscation of firearms is only something that Hitler would do. It is a sad reality that confiscation in this country is a possiblility in my lifetime (I am 24). Probably not all guns, but it starts with handguns then continues on from there.

Of course firearms are not used for any "real" purpose in today's society. This is another common thought that I have heard from several of my peers in our wonderful post secondary institutions in S. Ontario.

I love the ignorance. :(

Oh well I am registering the firearms that I use most frequently ... I mean all of them ;)


Peter

[not me]

i've not registered any guns so far and currently have no intention of registering. i am trying to acquire a gun right now so it will have to be registered. that will be the only one.

remember, alberta (and most other provinces) have indicated they will not enforce it. last year a co told me they wouldn't be enforcing it either.

if the gov't won't charge/prosecute any of those you went to police stations in early 2003 to turn themselves in i doubt very they will charge/prosecute any hunters.

[Salmo]

True, the CO's in many provinces are not enforcing the registration, but if the person flaunts the fact they their rifle is not registered then they may be obliged to enforce it.
I know the RCMP are checking because I have a friend that was stopped at a CO check station and there were RC's there checking for registrations.
I have not heard of anyone getting charges under the system. Oh and they just dumped a whole pile of more money into the CFC to re-haul the computer systems and such. It is very frustrating to say the least.

Peter

[enforcement]

I have had a signed letter in my hand from the MLA for the Stettler area stating Alberta WILL NOT prosecute under the Firearms Act or Criminal Code in cases where registraion (or lack thereof) is the SOLE offence. So, even the RCMP have their hands tied. No one is going to bother anyone if their 30-30 is not papered. Most mounties I know have no regard for C-68 and even some of them did not bother registering. With respect to the law-abiding sorts, if decent people don't disobey bad laws, how will we keep things from augering into the ground? The comparison with vandalising restaurants is not valid as that is a wanton, criminal, malicious act. C-68 is a political pile of BS and not complying with stupid asinine rules that any half-assed intelligent person can see are ridiculous IS the only way to ensure our society remains a good one. If the people that make society good are willing to bend over and take it in the can from those who would take away freedom, then it is all going to go to crap. Someone has to say "No more garbage! Get back to important business and forget the nonsense." We are not going to get rid of the Liberals any time soon and the only way to stop the nonsense is to make it such that they can't enforce it and let it fade away. If we do what they want, they will keep taking it away piece by piece.

[take it one s]

screw it, you know what, next time i'm not going to register my next car when i buy it. That way i'll save my 10 bux AND if it's stolen there's no way in hell it'll ever be found or traced back to me.. oh, wait.. i'd like to have it back if it was stolen

[bigbore]

you can easily make a story up on a LOST firearm, calling in that it fell off the back of the quad on a rack. a friends uncle did this and to this day he still has it but they think he doesnt

[Senator]

hey ff, If your gun is stolen and the police find it, you wont get it back, the gun will be destroyed.