Barnes bullets tipped tsx

[Ruger99]

Has anyone used the 130 grain barns ttsx bullet out of the 270 for hunting ?
What are your thoughts on it ? I picked some up and was doing some research after the fact and they don't seem to open up very much.

[Fowl91]

I have used the 140gr in .280 Rem with great results.

[elkhunter11]

They open up just fine as long as the impact velocity is adequate. The people that seem to have issues are the ones using heavy for caliber bullets , or people that use them at longer ranges.

[Cowtown guy]

Has anyone used the 130 grain barns ttsx bullet out of the 270 for hunting ?
What are your thoughts on it ? I picked some up and was doing some research after the fact and they don't seem to open up very much.

I'd love to see that research. Here's some actual field research from this fall. It looks to me like they open just fine...:thinking-006:

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=273367

[leo]

I use 130 TTSX in my 270 Weatherby Mag. It hammers everything it hits when you put the bullet in the right place.

[3blade]

1800-2000 fps minimum impact velocity, depending on caliber/bullet weight.

The "opening problems" come up when people use them outside of their intended parameters. They are hunting bullets that perform exceptionally well on game at normal hunting ranges.

The whitetail I shot this year had a toonie size exit hole, and sloshed when I rolled him over. No discernible organs within the chest cavity, just red soup. I'll try and post a pic later. Out performed the nosler partition significantly.

[MAC]

5 positive posts and here is # 6

I use the TSX in my 270 WSM I also shoot the TTSX in it. Both shoot well. I chose the TSX just because. I took a mule buck this year with the TSX. Velocity is modest as the gun likes the load light, 2 full grains below the Max.
That is the only animal I have taken with the .270 caliber Barnes to date.
But I have taken 8 other animals with other calibers in the TSX and TTSX.
from 120 gr 7mm to 200 gr .35 all expanded beautifully and performed well.
Specifically with the TTSX I found small blue delrin tip fragments in the plywood when I was shooting at paper. I though it to be a good sign of the expansion starting right quick. My son shot his first deer with a reduced load 120gr TTSX in his 7-08 muzzle velocity was about 2400 - just a guess no chronograph- at 90 yards one shot, when I looked at the entry wound I was surprised to see small blue fragments in the hair. Even with the reduced load but over 1800 it expanded very quickly.
Sorry for the long post but that is my personal first hand experience.

MAC

[buckbrushoutdoors]

I've killed a ton of game with the 130 and 110gr ttsx out of my 270wsm never one issue and all game was dropped almost instantly

[Rio56]

question for those of you using these awhile now ... how's the fouling , roughly how many rounds ect...

I just bought a box of 165 grain in the 308 for spring bear and now wish I would of got the 150's ? new to me

[elkhunter11]

question for those of you using these awhile now ... how's the fouling , roughly how many rounds ect...

I just bought a box of 165 grain in the 308 for spring bear and now wish I would of got the 150's ? new to me

Fouling ia no worse than cup and core bullets in my rifles.

[Ruger99]

So from that I gather I just need to make sure this bullet hits at at least 2000 fps for it to open correctly ? The 270 should be able to make this happen I would think .

[fish_e_o]

question for those of you using these awhile now ... how's the fouling , roughly how many rounds ect...

I just bought a box of 165 grain in the 308 for spring bear and now wish I would of got the 150's ? new to me
i found fouling with all tsx and ttsx bullets to be absolutely brutal. i even sold a box to someone here and they had the same issues. after that i gave away most of what i had left and they were returned to me because they fouled so bad. i'll use them as the most expensive slingshot projectiles in the world

did i just get like 15 bad batches of bullets? lol probably not

So from that I gather I just need to make sure this bullet hits at at least 2000 fps for it to open correctly ? The 270 should be able to make this happen I would think .

out to about 440 yards

[Flatlandliver]

So from that I gather I just need to make sure this bullet hits at at least 2000 fps for it to open correctly ? The 270 should be able to make this happen I would think .

http://www.huntingwithnonlead.org/PDFs_Main/WI%20DNR%20Copper%20Bullet%20Study.pdf

[Bergerboy]

In my experience all Barnes bullets should come with a free can of Wipeout. They do work as advertised but the copper fowling is ridiculous. The only reason I can see to use them is to have pretty recovered bullets to show off on your desk.

[Wireone]

.270 110 TTSX Found 1 petal in hide on exit side 270win Bull Elk Dead right there.
.284 140 TSX Four other Bull Elk. All fell at the shot. Recovered Two Perfect mushrooms. Rest passed through. I have had nothing but performance with Barnes.

[elkhunter11]

i found fouling with all tsx and ttsx bullets to be absolutely brutal. i even sold a box to someone here and they had the same issues. after that i gave away most of what i had left and they were returned to me because they fouled so bad. i'll use them as the most expensive slingshot projectiles in the world

did i just get like 15 bad batches of bullets? lol probably not



out to about 440 yards

The only issues that I have seen with fouling, is when you shoot the TSX/TTSX out of a barrel that already has copper fouling present. I have never seen issues when starting with a copper free barrel.

[Pathfinder76]

I have not found the TSX or TTSX to foul any worse than any other bullet and I have shot an awful lot of them.

[Cowtown guy]

I do not have any issues with copper fouling in any firearm that I have ever used them in. And that likely is at least 8 different guns.

[Huntnut]

Only one they seem to really foul in is my 300 weatherby. The other 4 or 5 they don't seem to bother near as much. But to answer the op's question I have shot elk using the 130 ttsx out of a 270wsm. wouldn't hesitate to use it again.

[AB2506]

Nothing but good to say about TSX or TTSX bullets.

Accurate and penetration like no tomorrow. In a caliber like a 243, they are a force multiplier.

Used them in 300Blackout, 243, 25-06 and 300WSM.

[leo]

Nothing but good to say about TSX or TTSX bullets.

Accurate and penetration like no tomorrow. In a caliber like a 243, they are a force multiplier.

Used them in 300Blackout, 243, 25-06 and 300WSM.

X2. I've used them in the following. Every one shot MOA or better.

257 Weatherby
270 Weatherby
3 different 280's
280 AI
7mm Rem Mag
7x61 Sharpe&Hart
340 Weatherby Magnum
And soon to be used in 300 Weatherby Magnum.

[waterhaulerhunter]

85gr tsx in 243 win, 140gr tsx in 280 rem and now 120gr ttsx in 7-08 all very accurate and no noticeable fouling problems. All have been very deadly. Only gun I couldn't get them to shoot in was my 7mm rem mag. I did give up pretty easily on them though.

[norwestalta]

X2. I've used them in the following. Every one shot MOA or better.

257 Weatherby
270 Weatherby
3 different 280's
280 AI
7mm Rem Mag
7x61 Sharpe&Hart
340 Weatherby Magnum
And soon to be used in 300 Weatherby Magnum.

Can I add my 338 win to your list?

Barnes are great except pricey. Got a couple elk under my belt that were one shot flops since I've started using them.

How do you determine if your barrel is copper fouled?

[roger]

Another vote for the product.
257 wby 100gr@3800ish fps..
No bullet recoveries yet but no blood trails either

[leo]

Can I add my 338 win to your list?

Barnes are great except pricey. Got a couple elk under my belt that were one shot flops since I've started using them.

How do you determine if your barrel is copper fouled?
I can usually see it near the muzzle in the lands. I use Wipeout and like EH 11 said, I've not seen them foul any worse than another bullet. The older Barnes X Bullets however were horrible for fouling and had some issues with consistent performance. The TSX , TTSX don't seem to suffer that. 210 TSX would be a great combo in a 338. I've taken several elk a moose and a few deer since I started using them.

[elkhunter11]

Can I add my 338 win to your list?

Barnes are great except pricey. Got a couple elk under my belt that were one shot flops since I've started using them.

How do you determine if your barrel is copper fouled?

Once you remove the carbon fouling you will see the streaks of copper by looking down the bore from the muzzle.

[Ruger99]

Well the good out weighs the bad !!

My next question is how do I determin the path to set the bullet in this round ? Is there any trick on how deep to set it for the proper jump ?

[leo]

Well the good out weighs the bad !!

My next question is how do I determin the path to set the bullet in this round ? Is there any trick on how deep to set it for the proper jump ?

About 50,000" off the lands or as long as your magazine will allow if it is more than that to the lands.

[elkhunter11]

Well the good out weighs the bad !!

My next question is how do I determin the path to set the bullet in this round ? Is there any trick on how deep to set it for the proper jump ?

Start at .050" off of the lands.

[Ruger99]

How do I figure it the lands ?

[fish_e_o]

X2. I've used them in the following. Every one shot MOA or better.

257 Weatherby
270 Weatherby
3 different 280's
280 AI
7mm Rem Mag
7x61 Sharpe&Hart
340 Weatherby Magnum
And soon to be used in 300 Weatherby Magnum.

I don't recall getting unacceptable hunting accuracy so that's a good thing and I shot them in I think every caliber but .277, 35, 416 and 50. I'm pretty sure I've shot them in all the others.

But I've put a lot of them down range and I got sick of them.

[norwestalta]

How do I figure it the lands ?

Might be bad advice but I size the case and seat a bullet long. Chamber it, measure it. I do this 5 times then a average it.

[norwestalta]

I can usually see it near the muzzle in the lands. I use Wipeout and like EH 11 said, I've not seen them foul any worse than another bullet. The older Barnes X Bullets however were horrible for fouling and had some issues with consistent performance. The TSX , TTSX don't seem to suffer that. 210 TSX would be a great combo in a 338. I've taken several elk a moose and a few deer since I started using them.

I haven't tried the 210's only been using the 185's. I'm worried about when I have to reach out there and not having the velocity. One elk I shot a couple of years ago about 370 had complete pass through. I do have a box of 210 that I'm going to try one day.

[leo]

I haven't tried the 210's only been using the 185's. I'm worried about when I have to reach out there and not having the velocity. One elk I shot a couple of years ago about 370 had complete pass through. I do have a box of 210 that I'm going to try one day.

One thing that we need to look at is the Ballistic Coefficient of the heavier bullet over the lighter. At 350 yards the heavier bullet could be just as flat and getting flatter than the light one.

[leo]

I don't recall getting unacceptable hunting accuracy so that's a good thing and I shot them in I think every caliber but .277, 35, 416 and 50. I'm pretty sure I've shot them in all the others.

But I've put a lot of them down range and I got sick of them.

Haha. It took me awhile to warm to them myself. I still use a lot of Nosler Partitions and Accubonds as well as Sierra Game Kings and Hornady Interlocks. I tend to use Barnes bullets in Magnums 7mm and under. I've tried them in several 30 cal magnums and 30-06's with ho hum results. I'm hoping this fussy 300 Weatherby I just aquired likes them.

[leo]

How do I figure it the lands ?

Take a fired case, put a slight dent at the mouth, put a bullet in the case mouth and feed it into the chamber. Close the bolt, open and extract carefully. The bullet will touch the lands. Measure this several times until you get the same measurement. Set your die at least 50 thou less than this dimension.

[leo]

If you have the time to do it this is even better. Take a sized case and cut 4 equal cuts from the case mouth to just past the base of the neck. This will keep better tension than a dent. I use a dremmell with a cutting blade but you could do it with a hack saw. Clean all the burrs off the case and voila.

[MAC]

In my experience all Barnes bullets should come with a free can of Wipeout. They do work as advertised but the copper fowling is ridiculous. The only reason I can see to use them is to have pretty recovered bullets to show off on your desk.

Man now I feel like I am missing out.:scared0015: The only reason I was using them was to kill game, now there is another reason. I only have one recovered bullet and its missing 2 petals. Not pretty enough for my desk. I am going to find out how to get those. :sHa_shakeshout:

MAC

[Bergerboy]

Man now I feel like I am missing out.:scared0015: The only reason I was using them was to kill game, now there is another reason. I only have one recovered bullet and its missing 2 petals. Not pretty enough for my desk. I am going to find out how to get those. :sHa_shakeshout:

MAC

I have seen many mushroomed ones and they do look cool. If your looking for bullets to take game, there are much better choices.

[Pathfinder76]

I have seen many mushroomed ones and they do look cool. If your looking for bullets to take game, there are much better choices.

What is your body count with them? What kinds of game? What do you recommend?

[elkhunter11]

I don't recall getting unacceptable hunting accuracy so that's a good thing and I shot them in I think every caliber but .277, 35, 416 and 50. I'm pretty sure I've shot them in all the others.

But I've put a lot of them down range and I got sick of them.

I will never get sick of using a bullet that continues to provide quick clean kills whether it strikes heavy bone, or only lungs. I like being able to predict the results before I pull the trigger.

[Pathfinder76]

If you can put them where they should go they are fairly affective.

http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l433/chuck_nelson/IMG_5900_zps149bbe4e.jpg (http://s330.photobucket.com/user/chuck_nelson/media/IMG_5900_zps149bbe4e.jpg.html)

[fish_e_o]

Man now I feel like I am missing out.:scared0015: The only reason I was using them was to kill game, now there is another reason. I only have one recovered bullet and its missing 2 petals. Not pretty enough for my desk. I am going to find out how to get those. :sHa_shakeshout:

MAC

i have a few in 338 want one?

[Bergerboy]

What is your body count with them? What kinds of game? What do you recommend?

Bonded. Body count? Myself, minimal. The group I hunt with that I have been part of animal recovery and disassembly? Too many to count.

[buckbrushoutdoors]

Bonded. Body count? Myself, minimal. The group I hunt with that I have been part of animal recovery and disassembly? Too many to count.

Any pics?

[Pathfinder76]

Bonded. Body count? Myself, minimal. The group I hunt with that I have been part of animal recovery and disassembly? Too many to count.

Are we talking 10? 50? 100? Because to be honest I'm finding "too many to count" hard to believe. Not only that, but I know what the TSX will do. From actually using them myself.

[fish_e_o]

Bonded. Body count? Myself, minimal. The group I hunt with that I have been part of animal recovery and disassembly? Too many to count.

you couldn't have possibly killed something without a tsx? what if you needed to break through all that heavy bone?

you guys crack me up it's like you think it's impossible that you're not right and you need to search for reasons to make other people look bad.

to help answer this one i tested them out on yotes with both a 6.5x55 and a 223 and i never had a quick recovery and i shot about a dozen. i never felt good testing them on deer so i never did. plus of course the fouling and the price

[Pathfinder76]

you couldn't have possibly killed something without a tsx? what if you needed to break through all that heavy bone?

you guys crack me up it's like you think it's impossible that you're not right and you need to search for reasons to make other people look bad.

to help answer this one i tested them out on yotes with both a 6.5x55 and a 223 and i never had a quick recovery and i shot about a dozen. i never felt good testing them on deer so i never did. plus of course the fouling and the price

Just so you know, I've killed a lot of game with bullets other than TSX's as well.

[fish_e_o]

Just so you know, I've killed a lot of game with bullets other than TSX's as well.

me too

[leo]

There is a lot to take into account when trying and then picking a bullet. I first decide what the intended game I want to bullet to work on then the weight, accuracy and velocity of the bullet. I had a situation where a 150 grain TSX bullet was extremely accurate in a 7mm rem mag(one ragged hole), but the velocity wasn't any better than a 280 Remington. The accuracy gain was not significant over a 160 grain Nosler Partition (3/4") travelling 150 FPS faster, so that is what I went with.

[fish_e_o]

There is a lot to take into account when trying and then picking a bullet. I first decide what the intended game I want to bullet to work on then the weight, accuracy and velocity of the bullet.

absolutely there is no one best bullet i have retained solids and tsxs for my 458's and 375 so i still believe that they have a purpose just not in my rifles where i want to sit and shoot them.

[Bergerboy]

Are we talking 10? 50? 100? Because to be honest I'm finding "too many to count" hard to believe. Not only that, but I know what the TSX will do. From actually using them myself.

Why is too many to count? Last year with my hunting group we butchered 3 moose and 9 deer or so. Thats one year. I am old. Do some quick math. Ive seen many things shot with various products. Too many people have tunnel vision and think that actions and bullets are like the "Highlander"...there can only be one. My perspective is the bullets should match the quarry. I shoot Bergers for deer and dogs. For elk and moose, a heavy bonded projectile is my choice. Will one work on the other? Oh hell yeah. Its just no one thing is a "do all".

[Bergerboy]

Any pics?

Pics of what exactly? Dead animals or wound channels?

[buckbrushoutdoors]

both, I like both.

[MAC]

I have seen many mushroomed ones and they do look cool. If your looking for bullets to take game, there are much better choices.
I am not looking for a better bullet, Barnes fills my needs very well.
I am always evaluating new choices and options though.
It was not my intent to offend ,was only having some fun.
Your posts show you have a lot experience.

i have a few in 338 want one?
Thanks for the offer, but I dont have a 338 right now.

you couldn't have possibly killed something without a tsx? what if you needed to break through all that heavy bone?

you guys crack me up it's like you think it's impossible that you're not right and you need to search for reasons to make other people look bad.

to help answer this one i tested them out on yotes with both a 6.5x55 and a 223 and i never had a quick recovery and i shot about a dozen. i never felt good testing them on deer so i never did. plus of course the fouling and the price

There is no right or wrong on this. Only personal experience. On both sides of the debate. I know I do not shoot near the amount you do. Fouling is not an issue with my guns. It is for you, why would you want to use a bullet that causes you issues. That's a no brainer.

To the OP there are story's that they wont open, alot more story's that they work. Do the work and figure out what works for you. My opinion they work
when used as intended by the manufacturer. They work for me all the time
why, 98% of my shots come in under 200 yards. 1% a little longer
the other 1% well once in my lifetime I shot past 300.
Fact I have killed game with Barnes, Fact I was satisfied with 100% of those kills.
Fact other bullets kill game also, Fact I have killed game with other bullets and have been happy.
Fact others are happy with their choice of bullet that is not Barnes.

There are much better choices is not fact , only opinion.
Hence the discussion :argue2:


MAC

[Bergerboy]

both, I like both.

Ok then, I have several pictures of dead animals. I have never taken one of a wound channel. Except for one...that was a coyote shot head on with a 140 Berger at about 2900....the results were amazing.

[fish_e_o]

Thanks for the offer, but I dont have a 338 right now.


MAC

well it's a fired bullet you can't use it again:sHa_sarcasticlol:

[Bergerboy]

There is no right or wrong on this. Only personal experience. On both sides of the debate. I know I do not shoot near the amount you do. Fouling is not an issue with my guns. It is for you, why would you want to use a bullet that causes you issues. That's a no brainer.

To the OP there are story's that they wont open, alot more story's that they work. Do the work and figure out what works for you. My opinion they work
when used as intended by the manufacturer. They work for me all the time
why, 98% of my shots come in under 200 yards. 1% a little longer
the other 1% well once in my lifetime I shot past 300.
Fact I have killed game with Barnes, Fact I was satisfied with 100% of those kills.
Fact other bullets kill game also, Fact I have killed game with other bullets and have been happy.
Fact others are happy with their choice of bullet that is not Barnes.

There are much better choices is not fact , only opinion.
Hence the discussion :argue2:


MAC

Very true. I am often amazed that animals that can be taken with a lead round ball are suddenly impervious to anything but a Barnes bullet launched from a CRF rifle. You seem to know what you are talking abut but others are locked in a mental tunnel as can be explained in the link below.

http://www.psychone.net/obsessive-compulsive-disorder.php

[buckbrushoutdoors]

Ok then, I have several pictures of dead animals. I have never taken one of a wound channel. Except for one...that was a coyote shot head on with a 140 Berger at about 2900....the results were amazing.

Hahah any results on a coyote would be amazing they are about as tough as big gopher when it comes to big game cartridges lol

[MAC]

well it's a fired bullet you can't use it again:sHa_sarcasticlol:

Ok got it now, a pretty mushroom for my desk. :wave:
Thanks, but far to much clutter on my desk as it is.

MAC

[Pathfinder76]

Very true. I am often amazed that animals that can be taken with a lead round ball are suddenly impervious to anything but a Barnes bullet launched from a CRF rifle.

Who exactly said this?

[JD848]

I know they don't sell them anymore,but since were on barnes,can anyone tell me what was the price for a box of BARNES MRX BOATAIL ,20 COUNT 30 cal 180.THANKS

[fish_e_o]

Hahah any results on a coyote would be amazing they are about as tough as big gopher when it comes to big game cartridges lol

man i have seen some tough coyotes!

my hunting partner and i put 10 chest shots and then 1 head shot into a coyote that charged us in a barn. with a 243 and a 223

that one was an absolute mess, it was mangey, half frozen with a homemade snare made from cable and crimp on electrical connection around it's paw.

[Huntnut]

I'm hoping this fussy 300 Weatherby I just aquired likes them.

I use 168 ttsx and a healthy dose of 7828 in mine.:)

[Bergerboy]

Hahah any results on a coyote would be amazing they are about as tough as big gopher when it comes to big game cartridges lol

The coyote was shot straight on in the chest, the bullet came apart and the resulting pressure split the dog from sternum to pelvis and all of its innards hit the ground. Then it ran 30 yards. I have shot many of these creatures with everything from a 3006 to a 17HMR. They never cease to amaze me how tough they are. I completely disagree with them being compared to a big gopher. Then again I can only rely on my personal experiences and maybe yours are completely different than mine and I respect your opinion.

[MAC]

I know they don't sell them anymore,but since were on barnes,can anyone tell me what was the price for a box of BARNES MRX BOATAIL ,20 COUNT 30 cal 180.THANKS

I had bought a box of 30 cal 165 gr MRX in 2009/2010 I think they were the same price as the 50 pack TSX 40 dollar range if I remember correctly.
They did not group well in the rifle I was shooting them in and even if they had the price was prohibitive. Same price for less than half with no advantage over the TTSX other than a slightly shorter overall length for the slim possibility to squeeze in a little more powder for the slim almost non existent velocity gain.
Not worth the price in my opinion and possibly many others based on its success.

MAC

[Pathfinder76]

You do realize that Barnes makes bullets with lead in them.

[Pathfinder76]

They make lead core bullets. Wouldn't that make them hypocritical?

[norwestalta]

What is your body count with them? What kinds of game? What do you recommend?

Body count? Is this a nerd way of keeping track of how many animals he's shot using Barnes.

[MAC]

They push lead free it's no secret.

You do realize that don't you?

As innovative bullet construction.
Proof please I have tried to search it out but have not come up with anything that states they are pushing for a lead ban. I might be wrong, show us.
I have found a statement saying they DO NOT support a ban.

From an article supporting a ban, this is older but all I could find.

http://www.psmag.com/nature-and-technology/duel-lead-green-bullets-68369

"New-look rounds might even be an upgrade. Last year, copper VOR-TX bullets won the American Hunter Ammunition Product of the Year Golden Bullseye Award from the NRA Publications. Despite that honor, the winning manufacturer, Barnes Bullets, opposes banning lead. The company acknowledges that after 30 years of making copper bullets, starting well before longstanding concerns about lead had translated into policy, they've found that copper bullets "deliver the best terminal performance on game” (although it's hard on the manufacturing tools). And yet, "Barnes has not funded or supported efforts to further the advancement of any lead ban, nor will we ever."

Barnes is now owned by Freedom group. They manufacture alot more than just copper bullets. Its just my opinion but a lead ban would not be a business tactic they would be inclined to push.

For the record Nosler and Hornady also make all copper monolithic bullets, where do you say their stand is.

MAC

[gopher]

By all means support them if you wish chuck.


I wouldn't feel right supporting a company that would glady shoot a lead free bullet into its customers foot so to speak.

[Pathfinder76]

By all means support them if you wish chuck.


I wouldn't feel right supporting a company that would glady shoot a lead free bullet into its customers foot so to speak.

Give me a break. Wow.

[gtr]

They make lead core bullets. Wouldn't that make them hypocritical?

There wouldn't be any of that! Hypocritical on the web. Never seen it..

[Bergerboy]

As innovative bullet construction.
Proof please I have tried to search it out but have not come up with anything that states they are pushing for a lead ban. I might be wrong, show us.
I have found a statement saying they DO NOT support a ban.

From an article supporting a ban, this is older but all I could find.

http://www.psmag.com/nature-and-technology/duel-lead-green-bullets-68369

"New-look rounds might even be an upgrade. Last year, copper VOR-TX bullets won the American Hunter Ammunition Product of the Year Golden Bullseye Award from the NRA Publications. Despite that honor, the winning manufacturer, Barnes Bullets, opposes banning lead. The company acknowledges that after 30 years of making copper bullets, starting well before longstanding concerns about lead had translated into policy, they've found that copper bullets "deliver the best terminal performance on game” (although it's hard on the manufacturing tools). And yet, "Barnes has not funded or supported efforts to further the advancement of any lead ban, nor will we ever."

Barnes is now owned by Freedom group. They manufacture alot more than just copper bullets. Its just my opinion but a lead ban would not be a business tactic they would be inclined to push.

For the record Nosler and Hornady also make all copper monolithic bullets, where do you say their stand is.

MAC

I believe that Barnes would take this public position as it is the best for their long term company outlook. They know that others will do the heavy lifting and will eventually ban lead and look who is not the bad guy and is all tooled up to be the leader in monometal bullets. Either this or maybe I was licking colorful frogs again....

[LJalberta]

I like the ttsx, although I've mostly used core-lokt and accubonds. Shooting the 150s from a .308, they maintain plenty of velocity to expand at the ranges I hunt at. Performance wise, I've had a couple lead bullets stop inside elk on the far side of the creature, getting a little less penetration than the unleaded ttsx, but everything seems to die the same speed when I do my part. I actually prefer the ttsx for having no lead, but it's health benefits are probably mostly in my head.

[Andrzej]

I know they don't sell them anymore,but since were on barnes,can anyone tell me what was the price for a box of BARNES MRX BOATAIL ,20 COUNT 30 cal 180.THANKS

IIRC MRX concept was introduced to address problem of long monometal bullets limiting case powder capacity in some calibers.
I paid about 3 $ per bullet as they came in 20 ct. at 55-60 $.

I've shot one antlerless elk with it and it was frontal shot 60 yards .284 140 gr bullet out of 7 STW at 3450 ft/sec. Full penetration about 3 ft of body with exit. She run about 50 yards before piling up.

IMO TTSX is better bullet as MRX complicated design was inherently creating more inconsistencies with jacket concentricity and accuracy ( like older cup and core bullets).

I was using Barnes X, TSX, TTSX, MRX for about 25 years now and those talking about excessive copper fouling are referring to X bullet. Those were discontinued long time ago.

TSX was Introduced in 2001 and TTSX in 2007.

As to pricing Nosler AB and Partition are slightly more expensive than Barnes those days if you can find them.

[Andrzej]

[QUOTE=LJalberta; I actually prefer the ttsx for having no lead, but it's health benefits are probably mostly in my head.[/QUOTE]

I don't think so.

Venous Blood Lead Level (BLL) testing is the most useful screening and diagnostic test for recent or ongoing lead exposure as opposed to past exposures.

I think that BLL is only good to tell you how much lead is circulating in the blood today but tells you nothing about total lead level accumulated in your bones and internal organs...and this is the problem. False sense of security due to nature of the BLL test.

Let's watch hockey...now.
That's depressing in both Edmonton and Calgary those days...So have a shot of ..whatever.
Andrew

[WoodTourist]

I like the ttsx, although I've mostly used core-lokt and accubonds. Shooting the 150s from a .308, they maintain plenty of velocity to expand at the ranges I hunt at. Performance wise, I've had a couple lead bullets stop inside elk on the far side of the creature, getting a little less penetration than the unleaded ttsx, but everything seems to die the same speed when I do my part. I actually prefer the ttsx for having no lead, but it's health benefits are probably mostly in my head.

Agree with the above. Used a few different bullets but now with grandchildren eating the meat have switched to no lead. Been trying TSX and Hornady GMX. Haven't shot enough animals to have a solid choice, but both do the job.

[sevenmil]

I have used barnes tsx bullets since they first came on the market. Have taken everything from coyotes to moose - and a good number of elk with them. I do not notice undue fouling problems at all. They open at long range which to me is 400 yards although I have take a few critters past that distance, the farthest being a bull elk at 495 (measured with a rangefinder).

I can't help but think that a lot of these fouling rumors are still following the old X bullet around. The grooves in the tsx and ttsx solved a lot of those problems.

Expensive? Nosler Partitions, Accubonds, Swift A frames and North Forks will cost you more than the tsx. The ttsx are costing more than the tsx - but I prefer the tsx to the ttsx anyway.

They will penetrate when the chips are down.

They have always opened up for me.

I find them more accurate than many cup and core bullets.

Not sure what is not to like

I know the extreme long range "experts" pooh pooh the bullet, but there are fewer of them around than they would have you believe. Not saying some can't shoot at those ranges fairly consistently. But just because someone can hit a gong off of a bench at 1000 yards doesn't mean said person will necessarily be able to duplicate this type of shooting with regularity under hunting conditions.

For any big game hunting I have encountered thus far, the barnes has been a great performer.