Castledowns fellow, that waited at yellowhead and 184th.

[Ryanlookingforperch]

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>: Well,

Today I question something and wonder how you HUNTERS out there feel about this situation.

We were driving on 184th street and yellowhead when we saw a deer that had been hit on the side of the road. We turned around, and there was now a truck at the scene, and he was calling it it. We only spoke with the man for a few minutes, but all agreed it was sad that whoever hit the deer had just buggered off.

Well...and here is the part that chaps my *****. THREE HOURS LATER, while driving back home...this gentleman and the deer are still there. Guess what else is 500 meters down the road, facing this direction and can clearly see this situation...A FREAKIN SPEED TRAP.

Now i am not a animal activist, nor am I a hunter yet, do however find it dissapointing that a man would spend three hours of his time, to make sure that this deer doesn't run back into traffic, ect....and the best our police force can do is have a timmies and set a speed trap up 500 meters down the road.

Regardless of the "responsibilities" of the police force, I do not think my opinion of seeing this would change my attitude.

CAR 278...thanks for putting on the uniform tonight...hope you came close to the quota.

Oh and to the man that took care of this, waited three hours. We stopped at the timmies down the road to bring you a DD and some timbits, but by that time a set of (I want to use a different TERM ) "officers", that we spoke to at the timmies; were onj the scene and YOU WERE NOW GONE.

PM me for a dinner at a nice steak house....I would be more than happy to take a MAN like you to a nice place and reward action like that....

Comments are appreciated.

I have to say that I have never hunted. I intend to begin getting into the sport this fall, as I just recently got my F.A.C.

I would love to know how all you hunters feel about the priority set out in this case, I am assuming that the animal was not dead and that was why the man was still waitting by it. If this is not the case, then I have to say I would rethink this. But I would find it odd for someone to wait three hours with a dead deer...then again I do not know of how this situation normally works, and the reason for maybe having to remain behind...>:

[gunner 83]

man would spend three hours of his time, to make sure that this deer doesn't run back into traffic

find it odd for someone to wait three hours with a dead deer

which was it?

as far at the police

Officer 1: should we go do something about that?
Officer 2: na...that guy is on his phone, so dispatch will either tell somebody to go do something, or they will contact Fish and Game, its a deer, not our responsibility
Officer 1: Oh ya, thats right
Officer 2: Ok, lets get these speed guns firing
Officer 1: ya, lets get our quota so we can go back to the station

[Ryanlookingforperch]

which was what?

i don't understand the question gunner...

I bet that is what the conversation went like...that is forsure.

Good hunting!!!

[grandzillaa]

He may have called the police to say that he hit a deer and may have been told to wait. I am not 100% sure on this but I believe you must report those kind of accidents.

It is also a possiblity that there was some damage done to the vehical and it had to be towed. Of coures this may only be true if it was a small car. Im not sure what kind of damage it would have done to a P/U truck.

I guess he could have reported it to the Fish and Wildlife that may of helped.

Don't let it get to you my friend. When you become a hunter and I truly hope that you do, you well have to make your 1st big decision and that is to squeeze the trigger.

[Ryanlookingforperch]

the vehicle that hit the deer, was gone.

He showed up as we were turning around, and called it in as I was walking to the deer.

He was not the one that hit it.

while i was beside the window of the truck, the truck driver said..."then I'll just wait til someone comes, make sure it doesn't go back into traffic...that sort of thing".

then three hours passed.

I am sure I can take the shot...just gotta do the homework before I get into the sport. I want to do it RIGHT.

good luck!!

[grandzillaa]

Good for you. Unless you took it in school, you well need to take the 1st time hunter course. Then when you get your rifle head to a rifle range and practise. The sooner you take care of these the better because Sept. 25 comes fast.;)

[sharpstick]

Ryan just wondering exactly what you wanted the police to do?

[Brady]

Back in the day of my truck driving escapades, I saw more then one police officer that could not bring themselves to putting the finishing shot into an animal on the side of the road. In fact one of them emptied his sidearm trying to finish off an elk that had both hind legs broke, and the poor guy was very near pukin between shots. Not sure if this was the case, but you never know.

[Rackmastr]

Was the deer dead?????!?!?!?!?!

Man this is a funny post.....everyone needs to whine about something...guess people figure because they see the police not responding within 30 seconds to a dead deer that they are lazy. Ever think they have other things on the go and that are possibly working on something else?

I'm really confused by your post and what you're really saying, or just venting??!? If the deer was dead, then the guy who sat there made his own choice and he can live with it....why cant you?

[lgu5]

who cares!!! But how do you know it was a castledowns fellow????? How do you know he was there for three hours???? I think this person was you and you were trying to make it sound like someone else

[qbochar]

I think the point of this fellows post is that to the officers involved speed traps are more important than removing a potential accident causing item (deer) from the road way.

[cmfic1]

I agree the Cops coulda/shoulda did something to get the potential hazard off the side of the road.
I also agree with Trev too.
Also how do we know the Cops hadnt contacted Fish 'n Feathers to come take care of the situation?

One more thing, I had a sit down with myself, we decided that I might have waited with the Deer as well......So do I qualify for the Steak Dinner? If so please reply with Date & Time!

[kanonfodder]

Good on you Ryan, ignore the baseless sniping comments, If this guy waited to make sure the injured deer didn't wander back into traffic then I applaud his efforts, IMO the cops wouldn't get directly involved unless they found the deer to be a hazard. I'v had this kind of discussion with some EPS guys I know and they usually leave it to the Wildlife guys unless it poses a major hazard. I know some have "dispatched" the animal and some not, case by case. For those of you whining about quotas, meh, it's a voluntary tax, don't wanna pay a fine, don't speed....easy huh :p

[nube]

3 hours for a deer. I'm surprised it wasn't longer. I work in the Fire Dept. and wait that long for some of the taffic accidents protecting the people that are stranded there with the vehicle in the middle of the road. The system they use is where the highest priority gets responded to first. This is not a high priority call to them and it probably isn't their call anyways. The speed trap guys probably didn't even know about it anyways. If it was a wounded deer why didn't you do something about it? I had the same situation with a deer with a broken back that was paralised and had to use a tire iron to kill it. The cop showed up after it was done. If it were after hours I could see it taking that long to get fish and wildlife to come and take care of it also. Just wondering what you think should have been done?

[Murrlin]

I hate to say it, but an officers job is just like everyone elses. If someone doesn't tell them to go do it, they won't. If your boss tells you to do something, you do it, if they don't tell you, then you don't. They have the same rules as everyone else. If the deer was posing no immediate danger then nothing would have been done. Hate to say it, but most officers don't have any say in what they do. You want to change the way the police are run, talk to your government. You think they like sitting there for hours at a speed trap? I highly doubt it....

[Ryanlookingforperch]

maybe to make it clear.

When we drove past the scene at 20H30 the deer was very much alive.

The man in the truck said he would wait until someone came, to warn traffic ect, if it got up to go into traffic.

It took three hours for someone to handle the situation...we drove by at 23H20..and the man and his truck was there. I am assuming it was because the deer was still a threat, why else would he stay????? It had been reported, and he was only staying to make sure it didn't cause an accident.

To me that is just weak.

Oh, and in my job, when my boss DOES NOT tell me to do something, and I KNOW I SHOULD BE...I DO IT...

Guess some of us don't want to go to prison, or be "disciplined" if we do not follow orders...

that post made me giggle murrlin. And I don't care if they like it or not....they choose to sit at the speed traps....and follow orders...just as I do...in my line of work.

I was just not sure how this usually is dealt with, and was suprised to see a speed trap, 500 meters away facing the man and his hazards on, with a wounded deer on the side of the road.

It was not whinning, but you can call it what you will.

Personally, I actually thought about grabbing the filleting knife from my tackle box to deal with it. Not knowing how to cut a deer's throat, makes me unable to do this; as the suffereing I could cause I am sure could make things much worse for the last few moments of that animals life.

I know the man was from castledowns because that is where he said he lived, when I talked to him briefly. Said he sees alot of it on 167th avenue. Is this a test, do I need my HP pencil? ha ha ha!!!

I know he was there for three hours, because I am not blind....and can recognize people, and there vehicles parked at the side of the road three hours later...not 30 SECONDS.


Thanks for the INTELLIGENT comments, and feedback as this situation bothered me and I wanted to hear intelligent comments..and maybe even a post from someone that might know the "procedures" in a case like this.

The others well, enough said.

As for what I expected the "officers" to do....NOTHING.

I expected SOMETHING to be done, and for three hours it wasn't. That was why I posted this, wanted to get feedback...as to perhaps why, and if that seemed odd, or bothers anyone else out there.

Oh, and I speed....I pay the fine...I get caught...I don't complain.

[Mike W]

I had a similar thing happen with myself I was travelling back from stony plain and there was a "dead" deer on the shoulder almost in the lane turned back around and parked in front of the deer upon getting out of my truck I noticed that this dead deer was in fact a live 4x4 whitetail with broken back and legs suffering severely.....(this was hunting season) and if I had a riffle I might have taken care of this on my own, due to the circumstances...I called 411 for the report a poacher hotline....I know I should know it! This is the bad part though operator goes "ah what?" "Report a poacher hotline"? There was no listing couldn’t believe it.

Standing outside my truck in the ditch now with the deer feet away I didn’t know what to do when a jetta pulled up behind me and a fellow got out and asked if I hit a deer ....no I explained and then he informed me he was a off duty RCMP but will call it in to his station and fellow officers will come out a dispatch the deer.
Guess some offices care and some don’t…then again he told me he too was a hunter….must be an ethics thing.

Mike

[Rackmastr]

Mike,
It has nothing to do with ethics...it has to do with the call volume for officers and no officers may have even been dispatched as it was probably sent over to F&W to handle...City police have other things to worry about beleive it or not.

[101sonny]

It has nothing to do with ethics...

Good to see some have there ethics in place Ryanlookingforperch but the truth is 9 times out of ten if there isnt a car crash with wild life well you know the response time on a call nice to see some still care .


everyone needs to whine about something...guess people figure because they see the police not responding within 30 seconds to a dead deer that they are lazy.

Not true some just care more then other's in a fast pace moveing world AAA++++ to you Ryanlookingforperch but welcome to the real world.

[Murrlin]

Guess some of us don't want to go to prison, or be "disciplined" if we do not follow orders...

that post made me giggle murrlin. And I don't care if they like it or not....they choose to sit at the speed traps....and follow orders...just as I do...in my line of work.

I never said I agree or approve of the system, but that is the nature of the system.

It is an unfortunate incident, but as you stated the authorities were notified and then left in their hands.

[Jamie Hunt]

I had the pleasure to speak with a Calgary cop tonight. He informed me he had to use his shotgun 3 times last year on deer here in Calgary. He said it takes to long for F/W to show up.

Also his views on the gun registry were exactly along the lines of ours. Big waste of $$$ and useless becouse bad guys dont register. He said it did come in handy when they were checking out domestic stuff, but in the same breath he said they allways assume there are weapons around. End of the day he called it stupid. And mentioned how he had many relatives with unregistered guns.

Jamie

[grandslamer1]

its not the police that should have been called it should have been fish and wildlife that was called
it there job not the police to rescue or dispatch injured wildlife

the rcmp are trained to handle this problem but even they usally try f&w as for city cops they are not trained in this situation as is evident in last years mad dog shooting where the cops bullet ended up in someones house..

and as for this bullsh*t about the police and there quotas better get your facts straight there r no ticket quota in edmonton and if you were told f&w would take too long then the deer was reported dead if reported alive they try to be there in 30 min

[give us a break]

Okay...here is how it works...

When someone calls to report they have hit an animal that may still be alive, there are two obligations for police. First is public safety, which is making sure the animal won't create another collision or is some cases injure someone else (injured/distressed dog).

Second obligation is to prevent unnecessary suffering to the animal. So quite often, putting the animal down is required. Some other things must be taken into consideration, weapon availability (shotgun/carbine) with pistol as a last resort (see the six shots at the elk post above)...believe it or not, some poor guy could spend six months under investigation because some one thought he was cruel to shoot a deer more than once. Another factor is backdrop, or other factors that may make shooting the animal unsafe.

And that's IF the call came in correctly. If the person who phoned simply said a deer has been hit, or anything other than that it is still alive/suffering/causing a hazard, then there is no reason to go. The collision can be reported at a station and bylaw officers will remove the "carcass" during the day.

If there was a call, in this case, it goes to north division officers, which operate on a different channel than traffic officers. So they may never be aware of something just down the road.

EVERYONE...if you drive by something you think is a problem, call it in, if someone says they'll call, call it in anyway, if two, three, ten people call, it's clearly a hazard and will get a response...there will be less chance of miscommunication.

Finally, if the resources are not available, a lot happens in thins city, F&W is called, and they are not always free to get there quick either...

Give the cops a break, a huge number of them are sportsmen and would do the exact same thing as you...

[Ryanlookingforperch]

thanks for the info cant stand it. good to know how it works.

AS for the quota thing, it was a cheeky remark, I am sure there is no quota, but I wonder where the money goes....it's irrelevant to this forum.

thanks for the info, some knowledgable people on this site, and I hope to use it as I develop proper hunting practice.

Good hunting/fishing/ect...

[Tree Guy]

Great Post Ryan! If you ever find the guy PM me as I'll be more than willing to pitch in toward a nice steak dinner! That guy may have saved a life or two, who knows.

As for the cops, they are just doing what they are told. In a union environment there is more risk than reward in taking initiative. Plus the amount of paperwork involved at shift-end regarding a discharged firearm in the 'line of duty' often makes dispatching a deer not worth it.

With a level of ethics that you have displayed on this thread, you are welcome to hunt with me any day!

[RockyMountainMusic]

kinda funny to see this, i had a simular situation last week. I was coming home and noticed a vehicle pulled over on the side of the highway and seen a deer in the ditch(alive). I thought she hit it so i turned around to see if she was ok and to see if i could help. As it turns out she didn't hit it, it was hit the night before and had both back legs broke and the ravens were trying to eat it alive. Knowing the f&w officers were out of town i told her i would take care of it but she might not want to watch. So she thanks us and takes off, now i'm in a firends truck so i dont have my gun and all we had was a little pocket knife. I had to find a frozen log, i hit it once and knocked it out and slit it throat with the knife. A little brutal for some people but it had already suffered all night and it would have taken the cops a while to get there so i just did what i belive was right.

[Okotokian]

I hate to say it, but an officers job is just like everyone elses. If someone doesn't tell them to go do it, they won't. If your boss tells you to do something, you do it, if they don't tell you, then you don't.

If I only did what my boss specifically asked me to do, I'd be fired in about 3 seconds. I'm expected to take some initiative and use some judgement. Same with cops.

A couple here have said "Police have more serious things to do". We aren't talking about cops off answering domestic abuse complaints, we are talking about the two cops down the road running a speed trap. IF the deer is alive and injured, it's WAY more of a danger to traffic than someone going 10Km over. Same thing if it's dead and on the roadway. Can't move it? At least park near it with lights on to alert motorists until the proper authorities come to remove it.

I'd give the cops a pass on two possibilities... One: The deer is dead and well off the road. In that case, who cares? Why would anyone wait around it for three hours? Two: They didn't know about it. It's possible they didn't see a deer 500 yards away.

[GoonBag]

Good for you Ryan. You seem like you have a good head on your shoulders. Ignore the bickering of those trolls here that are trying to pick a fight with you. You sound like a real ethical person with a good heart.

[Okotokian]

Good for you Ryan. You seem like you have a good head on your shoulders. Ignore the bickering of those trolls here that are trying to pick a fight with you. You sound like a real ethical person with a good heart.

Yes, I agree. Now get with the program Ryan. That's not the way we do things on this board! :b

Just kidding. Some calmness is always a good thing here.

[Ryanlookingforperch]

been getting some private messages, and reading this thread, think it was a good one, for its purpose.

I hope that everyone is as informative/helpful and involved when I start asking the hunting questions.

Off to get a rifle next pay, and would love to get a shotgun to duck with (I am sure my lab would love that).

Good luck all

Ryan