Enabling poaching and illegal hunting practices

[Sundancefisher]

Firstly...I believe strongly in PETA (people eating tasty animals) yumm.

Secondly...I don't hunt...cause I can barely fish well. Gotta get good at least on one.

Thirdly...I think all hunting or fishing should be fairly governed and managed.

Now thinking about the above...

I am not sure if anything can be done but if you think there can be please forward this on to the appropriate authorities.

It should be noted to the authorities that Bass Pro is selling live fish transportation aerators and deer bait and bait feeders and salt licks. All together things like this are probably not illegal to sell but they are in effect creating the easy opportunity for breaking the law. By the act of enabling such behaviour should be deemed guilt by association. At the very least from a moral point of view Bass Pro should not sell this stuff... IMHO.

I am not sure what else they are selling that may conflict with our regs but they should they not review their inventory in the jurisdiction that the store resides in for maintaining the rules and laws and regulations. My understanding is that this illegal type stuff is going like hot cakes.

Very scary trend.

[shawnb]

baiting deer is legal for photography but not during an active hunting season to my knowledge

[JohninAB]

I was in the Canadian Tire in Drayton a during hunting season and they had a sign in their hunting section that said they would no longer stock C'Mere Deer, an attractant used bigtime in some states. Remember also Trophy Book years ago advertising they would not sell those deer sticks that smoke to attract the deer.

As for Bass Pro, well in northern Sask it is legal to bait deer during hunting so maybe sales there. Also at the Edmonton Boat and Sportsman show, one booth was selling a deer attractant and they even said how much they sell as it works so good. Go figure.

[IR_mike]

These are all items that are currently available through other retailers and where available long before bass pro opened up.

[hansol]

... All together things like this are probably not illegal to sell but they are in effect creating the easy opportunity for breaking the law. By the act of enabling such behaviour should be deemed guilt by association...

A guy could use that same logic to say that our hunting rifles are "bad". Be careful when you start slinging around the word "regulation". If a person isn't doing anything illegal, why assume they are guilty?

[redneck posse]

hey johninab i buy those sent sticks all the time at trophy book work okay if the wind is light.

[munyee4321]

I have always asked myself why stores sell things that are illegal use in this province.Unfortunately as it maybe easy access for those in Alberta to purchase and use these items where it is illegal during hunting seasons. Provinces such as Saskatchewan are legally aloud to bait during their hunting seasons. This is no different then wholesale sports selling electronic calls for predators and other wildlife, where they are illegal to use in Alberta it is legal to use in other provinces.

Retail stores are selling the products that they believe will sell regardless if they are to be used legally or not. Money talks. But also take note Bass Pro or any sporting good stores for that matter are not just targeting the province or state they are in but by all surrounding hunting, outdoor sports communities/states/provinces.

[Rackmastr]

There is nothing "moral" about it...Bass Pro carries items for sale. This is not communism so they are allowed to sell whatever they'd like. Other provinces allow the use of bait and we are the closest Bass Pro to them.

Next you'll hear someone say that Canadian Tire shouldnt carry Spotlights cause they can be used for jacklighting deer, or that all barbed hook sales should be outlawed......lol.

[Dick284]

I have wondered out loud some times where all this open sale of electronic calls, Ungulate attractents, and baits, without even a cautionary sign explaining to the ill informed that active hunting with such items is illegal in Alberta, would lead if a poor misrean soul got busted, and had a gifted legal council.

[JohninAB]

Or liquor sales should be banned as someone could buy some beer and end up drinking and driving.

Dick, don't think any lawyer could get you off the charges as ignorance of the law is no excuse. Else they better post notes in liquor stores about it being illegal to drink and drive.

[thundergrey]

look at stores like "2 Guys with Pipes" and other "Hemp" shops. Should they be allowed to sell items that are directly related to drugs, which are illegal in every province in Canada? Personally I think the cops should search every person in and out of those stores follow them home and search their home, but that's just me. :p

WSS sells electronic calls, which are illegal to use as well.

[Dick284]

Or liquor sales should be banned as someone could buy some beer and end up drinking and driving.

Dick, don't think any lawyer could get you off the charges as ignorance of the law is no excuse. Else they better post notes in liquor stores about it being illegal to drink and drive.

But John they do, look at all the labels on all the booze "enjoy responsibly"

The bigger part of this could be if a Sheister Lawyer used the open sale with no caution as even a means of lessening the charges or the impact in sentancing, where would this suddenly leave the retailer if even in passing they got mentioned?

Remember the BS about having a party and serving booze?

Never say never as far as the law goes, all it takes is the right wording by a savvy Lawyer and voila we now have presidence.

[Redfrog]

I don't want regulations and laws and rules to govern every stinking little thing in my life. I know right from wrong and can read the regs.

Let's outlaw the sales of firearms cause someone might get shot and we know that is against the law. Or how about we stop the sale of filet knives in case someone goes crazy and runs amok in fish camp.

Next it will be the thought police.:huh:

[hal53]

I have wondered out loud some times where all this open sale of electronic calls, Ungulate attractents, and baits, without even a cautionary sign explaining to the ill informed that active hunting with such items is illegal in Alberta, would lead if a poor misrean soul got busted, and had a gifted legal council.
Unfortunately ( or fortunately) a good Lawyer will probably tell him the same as earlier..."ignorance" is no excuse"...as per liquor store example.....I do feel however BPS is skirting the issue here, putting it on display....if it's not legal here, mail order only..????.........a gifted lawyer, I agree, may have some fun with that one.....to a lot of people's chagrin....don't know about baiting deer for photography.....that wouldn't be too tough to patrol eh?????:lol::lol::lol:...think the Wardens have enough to do........train 'em in the spring and summer, shoot 'em in the fall...."good legwork and scouting guys"..... don't forget to set up the trail cams over your picture taking bait....so once evry 2 weeks you can see if it's worthwhile going back in the fall........man!!!...I must be getting old!!!!!!

[redneck posse]

i noticed last year wholesale had a notice on the front door stating that come-here deer and deer cocaine where not to be used in baiting in alberta. and when i asked a guy ,then why sell it? he told me a lot of non hunters buy it to put in there fields to atract the deer so hunters couldn't shoot them.

[bucktaker]

maybe they know something we dont:lol::lol: baiting legal, Electric game calls allowed, and mass amounts of wild turkeys released.:lol::lol:

[Wood1]

I transport live fish, usually twice a year. I also aerate them. I also have a license that says I can. I also buy salt licks for my horses. See where we are going with this?

[jaylow?]

so is comer deer illegal for hunting ? are attractants now illegal?
dont rattling antlers and moose calls attract aswell? my folgers can and hockey string is now illegal!:lol:

also i should add , that i have no clue if attractants are illegal or not, always seen them for sale so figured they were. never tried them though.

[savagencounter]

Well if full body camo, salt licks, deer sent a 12000 dollar quad ect make them feel like a better hunter let em buy it lol I go out with the basics i dont think any of that stuff really helps but if they like to spend money on that crap whos to say boo about it lol. remeber the more money you spend the better hunter you elieve you are lol.

[thundergrey]

Well if full body camo, salt licks, deer sent a 12000 dollar quad ect make them feel like a better hunter let em buy it lol I go out with the basics i dont think any of that stuff really helps but if they like to spend money on that crap whos to say boo about it lol. remeber the more money you spend the better hunter you elieve you are lol.

its the gears fault not the users! dont you play golf?!

[winged1]

I'll bet you dollars to donuts that the American parent merchandisers have no idea what our regulations read and stock according to what the sales numbers tell them. I'll also bet you that the largest purchaser of deer feeders will be acreage owning tree huggers who will think it's cute to feed the wild deer.

Works for me because 212 needs more elk than in just one spot for bow season.

[Mudguy]

Great jaylow now all the goody two shoe regulators are going to say ........ See I told you so they should ban bait because it's illegal during hunting season, and people don't know because they sell it. wa wa wa.

[Sundancefisher]

Or liquor sales should be banned as someone could buy some beer and end up drinking and driving.

Dick, don't think any lawyer could get you off the charges as ignorance of the law is no excuse. Else they better post notes in liquor stores about it being illegal to drink and drive.

great...next thing you are going to say is it is fine to say go out to the forest...attract a doe...get her drunk...take her out to a chick flick...buy her a nice dinner of oats and then bamm. In the morning you have a nice deer steak and egg breakfast...:evilgrin:

[honda450]

great...next thing you are going to say is it is fine to say go out to the forest...attract a doe...get her drunk...take her out to a chick flick...buy her a nice dinner of oats and then bamm. In the morning you have a nice deer steak and egg breakfast...:evilgrin:

Ya but then the guilt thing kicks in.:lol::lol::evilgrin:

[LongDraw]

I am not sure if anything can be done but if you think there can be please forward this on to the appropriate authorities.

If you are so worried about it why don't you forward it onto the appropriate authorities?

[Sundancefisher]

If you are so worried about it why don't you forward it onto the appropriate authorities?

Not sure it is worth their time...but there are a ton of people with opinions and as popular opinion goes...maybe I would if it seemed justified...:rolleyes:

Its sounds however that drunks does are more likely that Bass Pro changing their stock...

[jaylow?]

Great jaylow now all the goody two shoe regulators are going to say ........ See I told you so they should ban bait because it's illegal during hunting season, and people don't know because they sell it. wa wa wa.



hahaha! i feel so empowered now. im almost like a lobbist for the anti's. :lol:

[Redfrog]

great...next thing you are going to say is it is fine to say go out to the forest...attract a doe...get her drunk...take her out to a chick flick...buy her a nice dinner of oats and then bamm. In the morning you have a nice deer steak and egg breakfast...:evilgrin:


that is just wrong on so many levels.:sick: Crafty but wrong.:D

[Donny Bear]

Stupid :sick:

Bass pro serves Western Canada and parts south Just because they opened in Calgary does not limit them to our province and its restrictions::huh:

[Okotokian]

I think we just need a little common sense, not a lot of regulation.

It strikes me that it would be WISE for BPS to simply tag or sign such items with something like "Please note. It is illegal to use this product for hunting in Alberta." Nothing wrong with suggesting to them that they do that.

Heck, being a new store with tens of thousands of products, they may stock a few that they don't even realize would be illegal to use here.

[duffy4]

This seems to me to be one of those questions that has some different view points and not a right and wrong. I see both sides.

I think it is good to have freedoms but not to be free to assist someone to break a law.

At the least I think if you are selling an item "commonly used by hunters where legal" and it is not legal to use in the area you are selling it, you should be required to post a notice that it is "not legal for hunting" in that area.

[Gonehuntin']

As stated previously by many guys here, in many different ways, they are selling products.That's what they do.Period. $ talks, bull***** walks.ALMOST ANY ITEM CAN BE USED ILLEGALLY.Forks-knives, cars/trucks,firearms/bows, the list goes on and on and on some more. It's buyer beware, people. Used improperly, virtually any item can be used illegally in some form or fashion.It is simply the user's will and usage that defines it. The answer is certainly not more regulation, haven't we seen enough "FOR OUR OWN GOOD & PROTECTION" regulations? Less regulation, not more. If these stores are selling anything that may be illegal to use DURING HUNTING ACTIVVITIES, it may be a nice touch to have a sign or sticker on the shelf at the store, but to compel them to do it? CRAZINESS. This is how big and bigger gov't happens to encroach, by someone sayin' "Why, there ought to be a law!", and sure enough, some joker comes up with yet another stupid, pointless, hard to enforce waste of time and money law.Buyer beware on these products. If you stab someone with a fork, it goes from being a fork to being a weapon, it's all in how you use it!

[Redfrog]

I can't believe that so many of you guys want warning labels on stuff that may be used illegally. :huh:

In the activities I pursue from eating to sleeping to hunting to whatever I know right from wrong.

I seriously doubt that I'm feeble minded enough to buy a ski mask and suddenly discover that it is illegal to use it in an armed robbery.

Good thing it had a warning label on it.:rolleyes:

I can't imagine the countless souls that have been saved from a lifetime of incarceration by that little "Do NOT Remove" Tag on a mattress.

If a law, regulation or warning stopped a crook from committing a crime, we would all be in a circle eating "smores".

I wish spring would get here;)

[thundergrey]

redfrog why would you be surprised? we have to put "caution hot" on our coffee at Timmies... People are dumb and have to be spoon fed everything. Someone will get caught, sue WSS for selling it and some crafty lawyer will win it for them. then it will happen.

put up a sign in the fishing section at the same time for the barbed hooks...

[catnthehat]

I'm a life long criminal, it started when I was just a young bot out peer pressure - I was double dog -dared to tear the "do not remove tag" from my mattress. been doing it ever since.
Please. I need help, I can't stop! :evilgrin:
Cat

[Redfrog]

Cat, I'm not telling you what to do, but I'm just saying, it may be wise not to post that kind of info here. The "Mattress Police " have spies everywhere.

Here's the number if anyone needs it. !-800- RIP ONE.

I hear you Thundergrey. It is a sad time we live in. I only hope the Government can protect us from.

Did you know it is illegal to poison someone with drain cleaner?? I checked the label and there was no warning, but I did find it on the internet.
www.stupidrulesforbraindeadpeople.com

[catnthehat]

[QUOTE=Redfrog;304379]Cat, I'm not telling you what to do, but I'm just saying, it may be wise not to post that kind of info here. The "Mattress Police " have spies everywhere]./QUOTE]
Momma always warned me that one of us may not make it
through the day!:lol:
Cat

[duffy4]

so is comer deer illegal for hunting ? are attractants now illegal?
dont rattling antlers and moose calls attract aswell? my folgers can and hockey string is now illegal!:lol:

also i should add , that i have no clue if attractants are illegal or not, always seen them for sale so figured they were. never tried them though.

Unless this fellow is pulling our leg, he did not know the game laws of Alberta. And assumed if it was for sale in a store in Alberta it would be legal. There are probably a lot more out there like him.

I would think the majority of hunters on this board would know the game laws fairly well. However we see questions on here all the time that could be answered if they knew "the Guide to hunting regulations" and how to read through it.

Warnings and information bulletins are for the segment of the population that has trouble figuring out things for themselves. And we know there are more than a few of them around.

[Sundancefisher]

Good and fair hunting practices are the norm for all the good hunters... I know. They would not knowingly hunt illegally. Some people that don't realize the regulations may try to plead ignorant. We all know that does not wash in court all the time :mad3:

That being said we have issues of people killing animals illegally. Report a poacher is a program designed by government to make you the big brother... Does anyone disagree with that program? Probably not. Now the premise is to stop people from breaking the law/regulations etc. At the same time my initial question was why do we they put the products for sale to the general public without explanation and then complain when others kill animals illegally, hurting everyone's reputation and removing an animal that a credible hunter may of shot. It is not about using a fork unless say the fork is attached to a spot light, high powered automatic machine gun on the back of a truck, beside a road, next to an automatic animal feeder. Stretching the point to compare a fork to an automatic animal feeder is not matching apples to apples.

I as a non hunter was interested in what the topic would generate as a response thinking most hunters believe everyone should play fair and not support or defend something that may allow for unfair hunting.

I don't think Bass Pro is doing it intentionally but maybe they should receive some feedback from hunters that they should not enable illegal practice by selling in a province where it is illegal or like someone said make a bunch of generic signs at least and say that not all products can legally be used in Alberta.

As for knowing game laws...I have heard all to many stories about hunters that do not abide by them all. Somewhat selective. Somewhat shady but maybe still acceptable to the hunting society.

Thanks for the feedback all. I think enough was said to give me an idea about general thinking on this topic.

Cheers

Sun

[AB RANGER 007]

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