Best ice fishing sonar?

[BillSteen23]

So I bought a humminbird helix 5 at the beginning of January. Had it out once, and it worked great. Next time I had it out it was nothing but issues. Tried a new transducer- it didn't work. So I exchanged it for a new one. First time with the new one out this past weekend and nothing but problems again. So this one will be going back to the store as well. I'm looking for suggestions in the 600-900 dollar range. Any suggestions would be great. Thanks!

[EZM]

So I bought a humminbird helix 5 at the beginning of January. Had it out once, and it worked great. Next time I had it out it was nothing but issues. Tried a new transducer- it didn't work. So I exchanged it for a new one. First time with the new one out this past weekend and nothing but problems again. So this one will be going back to the store as well. I'm looking for suggestions in the 600-900 dollar range. Any suggestions would be great. Thanks!

What kind of issues did you experience? I'm curious only because sometimes common and basic settings/configurations can fix issues sometimes.

A higher end unit like a Helix 5 isn't a "plug and play" device like cheaper sonars.

I haven't heard anyone having issues with the Helix units before.

[splake0]

Vexilar FL 18 or Marcum LX 7
Both have my vote.
But I fish in deep water.

[Iceman80]

Love my LX7. With the recent software upgrade it works well in shallow water to ( under 10'). I've had out in very cold temps and no problems. Love the digital displays.


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[BUCKAROO]

I have the marcum lx3 and it worked great at cold lake this past weekend, the deepest water I was in was 120'. I'm sure the 5,7 and 9 are better but I'm not sure how they are better my 3 showed the bottom and everything in between. The only think I couldn't do was make the fish bite my hook.

[BillSteen23]

What kind of issues did you experience? I'm curious only because sometimes common and basic settings/configurations can fix issues sometimes.

A higher end unit like a Helix 5 isn't a "plug and play" device like cheaper sonars.

I haven't heard anyone having issues with the Helix units before.

The depth will erratically change and most of the time it will not read the correct depth at all. It will show structure/objects on the screen that aren't there, and the odd time will say transducer not connected. Any direction on how to fix any of that would be appreciated as well!

[huntsfurfish]

Have to ask, is the transducer hooked up and snug/secure?

Battery good? And charged?

Transducer level with the bottom of ice?

If yes.

Do a default reset.

check again.

Also check the trouble shooting section of your Helix 5 manual.

edit: Also what model? is it the an Ice model/portable?

[Teamprotz]

I use one of the lowrance hds 8's off my boat. It needs to be manually adjusted through the day as others come and go. Other sonar and augers will affect them. When moving to new holes most of the time it will need to be manually set for depth until it finds bottom. Fully charged battery and keeping them warm are a must

[honker_clonker]

I've had my vexila FL 20 for the last 10+ years and it's been rock solid reliable. I've had all the other brands of mechanical flasher and I've sold them all and bought Vexilar's when the opportunity presented itself. Now run 3 FL20s for myself, father and spare/loaner. Just gotta watch the red band tri-beam. There was a bad run of them but vexilar will replace the faulty ones for free. The new tri-beams rock!

[sns2]

Here's your huckleberry. 15% off. You won't find better.

http://www.wholesalesports.com/store/wsoo/en/Brands/Fishing-Brands/Marcum/LX-7-Sonar-System/p/16549

[npauls]

Was using my hds 8 gen 1 off of my boat and a helix 5 before that. I traded my helix 5 for a lowrance hds 5 gen 2 and it is the best ice unit i have used so far with my humminbird ice 45 coming in 2nd. I like the hds unit because of the gps mapping and the history that you see on the screen.

The bird ice 45 has been bullet proof since the first month they were released for sale. Never had a problem with it. It marks the smallest barrel swivel without a problem and makes ice fishing a fun experience. It is now my back up unit to the hds 5 gen 2.

[Jaylive]

I dunno I'm just saying but I have had great success with my helix 5. There are lots of tutorials online on how to set em up. I assume you bought the ice ducer... cuz I tried running the skimmer and it worked but a nightmare to set up. Under 10' it picks up a lot of interference but I'm always deeper that that. Ensure ducer is hanging straight from the support cord if tension is on the data cord it seemed to hang funny and not work properly. I'd try this few things before giving up on it. Such a great unit. My flasher buddies are making the switch.

[EZM]

Hopefully you are using the ice transducer, and as mentioned, it's positioned properly at, or just below the bottom of the ice.

I would also try to reduce sensitivity and try a few Hz ranges to see where the return paints the best picture.

Like I said, on a high end unit, it's not plug and play. The ability to make adjustments, and give you the best results in a wide range of conditions is the trade off against having to know how to set up and use the unit.

Also, like Huntfurfish suggests, if that isn't working a reset might be in order.

I'd also check the inputs on where the transducer plugs into the unit - maybe something is wonky there.

[Willowtrail]

Love my Marcum LX7
Worked great for the last 4 years, after this years firmware upgrade I get a lot less interference from buddies Showdown.

[BillSteen23]

Thanks for the input guys. I've tried everything, connections are good, transducer just below the ice, multiple default resets, played around with the different hz, and still the same result. Maybe before I go out this weekend i will watch a few tutorial videos online and give it one more chance. I will try much deeper water as well and see if I get the same result

[cube]

Thanks for the input guys. I've tried everything, connections are good, transducer just below the ice, multiple default resets, played around with the different hz, and still the same result. Maybe before I go out this weekend i will watch a few tutorial videos online and give it one more chance. I will try much deeper water as well and see if I get the same result

Sounds like it could be shallow water or set way to sensitive. Or someone is close to you using the same frequency

[Tikka300]

I have been happy with my Marcum LX 3tci. Not the fanciest machine but it works well everywhere I fish.

[livefortherut]

with my humminbird if the transducer is not sitting just below the ice and it isn't hanging straight up and down it will give me funny readings.

[DOGFISH]

With your Helix 5 is the Switch fire on or off. If I remember correctly in shallow water with the Switchfire is on it can give you inaccurate readings. Just seems funny it is your second unit and you are still having problems. Do you fish close to or with other guy's with Flashers as these unit have a lot of power and can cause interference. Like previously posted the Helix series is not just plug and play, they have more Capability than most of us angler's. Good luck as I won't fish without my Helix now.

[Tcon]

For the most accurate results I manually set the depth range, sensitivity and surface clutter settings as needed. However, my Helix 5 has worked flawlessly in both deep and shallow water. The thing is amazing and I was able to pickup walleye hugging the bottom where my friend's high end flasher wouldn't. The multi-view screens area also really helpful. I too won't fish without it.

[DOGFISH]

For the most accurate results I manually set the depth range, sensitivity and surface clutter settings as needed. However, my Helix 5 has worked flawlessly in both deep and shallow water. The thing is amazing and I was able to pickup walleye hugging the bottom where my friend's high end flasher wouldn't. The multi-view screens area also really helpful. I too won't fish without it.

They advertise 2.5" of target separation and i have seen it with a camera. I to have seen Walleye hugging the bottom as well. Awesome units they just take a little while to get used to.

[Tcon]

They advertise 2.5" of target separation and i have seen it with a camera. I to have seen Walleye hugging the bottom as well. Awesome units they just take a little while to get used to.

I agree, once you understand what the graph is telling you it's hard to use anything else. I just hope the OP didn't run into a bad batch!

[otto389]

with my humminbird if the transducer is not sitting just below the ice and it isn't hanging straight up and down it will give me funny readings.

I noticed this as well.

[huntsfurfish]

Was using my hds 8 gen 1 off of my boat and a helix 5 before that. I traded my helix 5 for a lowrance hds 5 gen 2 and it is the best ice unit i have used so far with my humminbird ice 45 coming in 2nd. I like the hds unit because of the gps mapping and the history that you see on the screen.

The bird ice 45 has been bullet proof since the first month they were released for sale. Never had a problem with it. It marks the smallest barrel swivel without a problem and makes ice fishing a fun experience. It is now my back up unit to the hds 5 gen 2.

Hi Nate! Really like fishing with my HDS 5's as well - hard to beat.

[swifthunter]

I had issues with my helix 5 giving me random readings and the depth going crazy for a while one day, can't remember what I did to solve it but it works good now. It works good for catching perch in 10' of water to lakers in 100'. It's nice when your down that deep and I could see the bait falling from my hook if it fell off

[Rockjockey]

Was someone close to you using a sonar near you.
My buddy bought the same Lowrance unit as me because mine worked so well. Every time he turns his on it cause interference on my unit and visa versa. This effect is amplified by proximity and also if we are fishing a sharp drop off.
I asked a Lowrance rep and he said that unfortunately it is a common complaint that is unfix able.
What is of interest is that our other buddy has a Vexilar and he can use his beside me and it only causes a brief period of interference upon initial turn on.
It makes sense that the sound wave is bouncing around down there and the transducer can not differentiate from one wave to another.
I have found that changing the ping speed and screwing with the sensitivity and noise reduction will reduce the interference.

RJ

[npauls]

Hi Nate! Really like fishing with my HDS 5's as well - hard to beat.

Its my go to on the ice and will be my full time mapping sonar on my boat this open water season. I hope i can get a bunch of recording done and sent in this year.

[Angler]

I like to use my 6th sense to find fish. Works great, no battery need to be charged. :)
I fish without any sonar or camera, nothing could beat those unexpected bites feeling. IMHO

[Tcon]

I like to use my 6th sense to find fish. Works great, no battery need to be charged. :)
I fish without any sonar or camera, nothing could beat those unexpected bites feeling. IMHO

Sight fishing is far more exciting than blind fishing. Consider electronics your eyes, just cause you see them doesn't mean they will bite. Electronics can also help you hone your sixth sense by ensuring you aren't fishing over unproductive water or using an undesirable bait, lure or cadence. Knowledge is power..

[Angler]

If it's unproductive water - I move, if it's undesirable bait - I change it. Fishing is all about looking and experimenting. At least I like the way it is.
You are right, knowledge is the power, doesn't matter though you can't gain it without electronics. I'm not trying to force anyone join my side, I'm just sharing the way I love to fish.

[sns2]

If it's unproductive water - I move, if it's undesirable bait - I change it. Fishing is all about looking and experimenting. At least I like the way it is.
You are right, knowledge is the power, doesn't matter though you can't gain it without electronics. I'm not trying to force anyone join my side, I'm just sharing the way I love to fish.

двоюрідний брат, here is the deal with electronics, it tells you fish are there. If they are picky, like they were for us at pigeon last weekend, you may think the water is unproductive, and go trying to find a place where there are fish, when the truth is they were right under your hole, but just weren't buying what you were selling. двоюрідний брат, trust me, even the most inexpensive flasher is a game changer and makes fishing so much more enjoyable. It really does. Повір мені.

[SNAPFisher]

I like to use my 6th sense to find fish. Works great, no battery need to be charged. :)
I fish without any sonar or camera, nothing could beat those unexpected bites feeling. IMHO

Sounds like you are offering experience which is great but haven't experienced the electronics side much. I like doing both. You are missing out, in my opinion, if you haven't experienced great burbot fishing on an underwater cam. Just one example of making a day more interesting:

http://vid10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/APetesky/202542_zpse9311951.mp4

http://vid10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/APetesky/194936_zpsf567c55f.mp4

http://vid10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/APetesky/210204_zpsa94b6ad5.mp4

May not mean you catch more but you might have more fun doing it. I'd argue that you learn more about what makes them react to bites than simply dropping a jig down a hole. Also, you can maneuver around the smaller ones and pick out the big ones :)

[sns2]

Sounds like you are offering experience which is great but haven't experienced the electronics side much. I like doing both. You are missing out, in my opinion, if you haven't experienced great burbot fishing on an underwater cam. Just one example of making a day more interesting:

http://vid10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/APetesky/202542_zpse9311951.mp4

http://vid10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/APetesky/194936_zpsf567c55f.mp4

http://vid10.photobucket.com/albums/a117/APetesky/210204_zpsa94b6ad5.mp4

May not mean you catch more but you might have more fun doing it. I'd argue that you learn more about what makes them react to bites than simply dropping a jig down a hole. Also, you can maneuver around the smaller ones and pick out the big ones :)

Awesome video. Love it!

[Angler]

двоюрідний брат, here is the deal with electronics, it tells you fish are there. If they are picky, like they were for us at pigeon last weekend, you may think the water is unproductive, and go trying to find a place where there are fish, when the truth is they were right under your hole, but just weren't buying what you were selling. двоюрідний брат, trust me, even the most inexpensive flasher is a game changer and makes fishing so much more enjoyable. It really does. Повір мені.


Дякую брате! I see what you saying, but I am quite principal on this one and will stick to what I believe. In the future I will probably get underwater camera, to make my videos more interesting. But not with flasher.
Я впертий, брате!

[SNAPFisher]

Дякую брате! I see what you saying, but I am quite principal on this one and will stick to what I believe. In the future I will probably get underwater camera, to make my videos more interesting. But not with flasher.
Я впертий, брате!

Now that I get! The flasher part rather than the other language :)

I'm not a big fan of flashers either. "Look that line is turning orange and now red near my green line!!" :rolleye2:
Great for quickly finding depths and setting your lure. I'd rather sight fish or use a camera personally.

[TylerThomson]

If you fish deep water and don't know if the fish are suspended or not you will get out fished and have no idea what depth the fish are if they are suspended.

I don't know why people that don't use flashers bother posting in a thread where someone is looking for advice on using and our purchasing a better flasher.

[SNAPFisher]

If you fish deep water and don't know if the fish are suspended or not you will get out fished and have no idea what depth the fish are if they are suspended.

I don't know why people that don't use flashers bother posting in a thread where someone is looking for advice on using and our purchasing a better flasher.

Sorry yeah, the original point is still there.

Agreed that deeper water and suspended fish are where the flasher beats all. I don't know if any lakes in central that warrant this.

I have the LX7 and I've read the praises on here but I wouldn't buy another one. The Vex models my buddies have make the LX7 look silly. It's okay...lots of features...great in water beyond 110 feet but no where near as accurate as mechanical flashers. Put one next to each and see the difference. No wonder I only use the LX7 only for setting hook depth :)

[trouty]

I had issues with my helix 5 giving me random readings and the depth going crazy for a while one day, can't remember what I did to solve it but it works good now. It works good for catching perch in 10' of water to lakers in 100'. It's nice when your down that deep and I could see the bait falling from my hook if it fell off

Are you using the sonar or as a flasher?

[sns2]

Sorry yeah, the original point is still there.

Agreed that deeper water and suspended fish are where the flasher beats all. I don't know if any lakes in central that warrant this.

I have the LX7 and I've read the praises on here but I wouldn't buy another one. The Vex models my buddies have make the LX7 look silly. It's okay...lots of features...great in water beyond 110 feet but no where near as accurate as mechanical flashers. Put one next to each and see the difference. No wonder I only use the LX7 only for setting hook depth :)
What Vex models are your buddies running?

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[HuyFishin]

I have an lx7 and lx9 works like a beast, haven't been updated for years, maybe I should

[wbaj]

двоюрідний брат, here is the deal with electronics, it tells you fish are there. If they are picky, like they were for us at pigeon last weekend, you may think the water is unproductive, and go trying to find a place where there are fish, when the truth is they were right under your hole, but just weren't buying what you were selling. двоюрідний брат, trust me, even the most inexpensive flasher is a game changer and makes fishing so much more enjoyable. It really does. Повір мені.

There have been good points made here on both sides of this debate re using or not using flashers. I believe you become a better fisher using instincts and intuition without a flasher but verifying your instincts with one also adds value.
I use one about 50% of the time I fish, using it either when I'm in deeper water or when I am fishing in cloudy water and cannot see the hook at the depth I'm fishing. I have on occasion used one to find out if the targeted species are in the area, verifying water depth, suspension depths, and reaction to the presentation. But then I have moved holes and left the flasher in the original hole now relying on past gained experience to close the deal. I purchased a Marcum LXI-5 a few years ago and could not be happier with the results. I bought this one because of the fantastic service I received from Marcum when my camera failed. They replaced it without question even though the warranty has officially expired about 3 weeks earlier. I gained a lot of respect for this brand because of the painless experience i had replacing a defective camera.
I could recommend this brand and model without reservation.
Cheers

[TylerThomson]

Using a flasher to determine depth, bottom structure, and whether fish ate in the area is not fishing on "instinct".

Put it this way. If two people with equal skills and knowledge are outfitted with identified gear and dropped on a lake that is completely unknown to them who will catch more fish the guy with the flasher or the one without?

Arguing about whether or not having a flasher will catch more fish is ridiculous it's like arguing about what's better to catch fish a sinew line and hand carved wooden hook or a modern spin cast setup.

Either the people that think fishing without a flasher is better are waxing nostalgic about the good old days, have never used one, or can't afford one and are compensating by talking down their usefulness.

I wish I had a fully outfitted 90g fishing boat but I don't but you will never hear me saying how my aluminium with a 30 horse is better than a tournament boat.

[BillSteen23]

Update:

Went out this weekend and the helix 5 seemed to work fine. Zero problems whatsoever. Only thing I changed was height of the transducer and order of putting the transducer in the water, hooking it up and turning it on. So looks like the helix 5 will get another chance for a while anyways haha.

[huntsfurfish]

Update:

Went out this weekend and the helix 5 seemed to work fine. Zero problems whatsoever. Only thing I changed was height of the transducer and order of putting the transducer in the water, hooking it up and turning it on. So looks like the helix 5 will get another chance for a while anyways haha.

Good to hear!