Jeff Callaway drops out of the race.

[Redfrog]

Well the field is a little smaller. Jeff Callaway got his feelings hurt and stepped down from the UCP race for leader.

He seems to think it is better to give than to receive especially when it comes to cheap shots and back handed insults. With him gone the race will get more interesting.

It looks like a three horse race with two horses and a mule now.

[Okotokian]

Who's Jeff Callaway??

Ohhhh... maybe that's why he dropped out.

[greendrake]

Looks like three horses asses to me!

[Trochu]

Had too Google who he was.

[Sooner]

Who's Jeff Callaway??

Ohhhh... maybe that's why he dropped out.

Yup

[HoytCRX32]

Looks like three horses asses to me!

Get back under your bridge troll

[79ford]

I would venture to guess the ucp could fail to unseat the ndp.

If you think about it....Brian Jean isnt really premier material and most people seem to agree. Jason Kenney is another guy along the same lines as Jim Prentice who thinks he can just stroll in and take alberta because he is a 'Harper Conservative' .

Prentice tossed in the towel before the votes were all in. A Harper conservative is the reason the ndp got in in the first place lol. Now it kinda looks like the party will be under the helm of another harper lackey. Wildrose had the best shot in the last election and you would think that they would run with that but the popular party is merging with the unpopular party to form some kind of conservative soup

[raab]

Its 50-50 right now between Jean and Kenney. Im happy with either guy to be honest. Callaway seemed like he didn't want to be leader in the debate last night. In the Calgary debate it seemed like he was just there to insult Jean, which ruled him out for me.

[CBintheNorth]

I would venture to guess the ucp could fail to unseat the ndp.

If you think about it....Brian Jean isnt really premier material and most people seem to agree. Jason Kenney is another guy along the same lines as Jim Prentice who thinks he can just stroll in and take alberta because he is a 'Harper Conservative' .

Prentice tossed in the towel before the votes were all in. A Harper conservative is the reason the ndp got in in the first place lol. Now it kinda looks like the party will be under the helm of another harper lackey. Wildrose had the best shot in the last election and you would think that they would run with that but the popular party is merging with the unpopular party to form some kind of conservative soup

Your tactics are getting old.
Jean will win the UCP leadership and you and Rachel will have to retire to your union-funded mansions in 1.5 years. Enjoy your time.

[3blade]

Your tactics are getting old.
Jean will win the UCP leadership and you and Rachel will have to retire to your union-funded mansions in 1.5 years. Enjoy your time.

He's not wrong though. Jean is not that popular, his vendetta against AHS isn't going to help and he presided over the lake of fire series of wild rose debacles. He also lost, to the NDP, in Alberta. I'd like to see him as an environment minister, but not a premier. Too much baggage.

Kenny has made an impact, but hasn't cleaned house and could very well lose his momentum to the same infighting that drove apart the conservative parties before.

They really need to wrap up the monkey show and get on with uniting under one message. If there was an election tomorrow or next month, I don't think conservatives would like the results.

[79ford]

Your tactics are getting old.
Jean will win the UCP leadership and you and Rachel will have to retire to your -funded mansions in 1.5 years. Enjoy your time.

The pc's almost disappeared two years ago due to such a poor performance and lack of popularity. Now the strategy is to merge the party that was soo reviled the ndp got voted in in alberta with the popular conservative party known as the wild rose?

Jean has some measure of popularity but I have yet to really hear anyone say they see him as premier. If the economy is doing okay in a few years who ever is in power will probably be voted back in. People got all hissy because oil was cratering and thousands of people were being sent home so they turfed jim prentice when he said he would raise taxes and fees etc while giving business a break

[pdog15]

What was with the UCP mandating that in order to register to vote for the leader, one had to allow their driver's license to be copied by the party (stated very clearly on radio by an executive of the UC just prior to the closing date for registering). I was prepared to drive to their Calgary office to register/produce my DL but this was not going to be good enough - it still was going to be copied. Consequently, I declined so I am not registered to vote for a leader that is hoped to replace Notley. Leaving a copy of one's driver's license flies in the face of helping to prevent identity theft - producing a DL in order to register would have been quite sufficient, imo. Have to wonder about the wisdom of having this restriction and how many votes this is going to cost the UC - both in terms of a leader and an election vote.

[Okotokian]

. Im happy with either guy to be honest.

I'm with you. Either would be a vast improvement over the current NDP leadership. Jean in particular seems like a decent human being who might be to the right politically but who's not going to do things to hurt the poor, etc. He seems like a good man. That's just the impression I get. Kenney's a bit more of a shark but I don't see him saying or doing stupid things, and he'll probably maintain more party discipline than Jean might. And the UCP needs discipline. The old Wildrose revolts and gaffes are the one thing that could sink them.

[greendrake]

Get back under your bridge troll
You're the troll can't handle a different view point than your own. We suffered 45 years of these bozos selling off our resources and crippling our future hence where we are today. Other places stood up to big oil in the first negotiations as did Lougheed. Scotland, Norway, Alaska, Sask and Nfld. All stuck to their terms and oil agreed to pay them. Only here did we have spinless kickback beaurcrats who pocketed the money they didn't give away to their rich friends. (This is where you'll say that the NDP have ruined our kids future with debt) No because debt will always be there no matter who runs the show. No Klien didn't get us debt free that's a lie. He did however make sure we had nothing left in our savings, and added 3 billion with his deal with Enron. The NDP have taken a smart path by diversification. We should never have had all our eggs in one basket. They are pro oil just doing it responsibly. The debt will be lower after a few years of recovery but we won't have to endure crippling cuts to services. The carbon tax you all hate is big oils creation they pushed governments to implement it. God forgive us if we ever talk bad about the hand that feeds us! That hand will bitch slap you at anytime. You're nobody to them their share holders are all that count. Only a fool would want to be lead back into the dark ages of AB under PC rule. PS im centrist and see the Alberta party as the best policy for all of us. By the way what is the UCPs policy? Oh that's right they don't have one and whenyouvote for a leader and not a policy you area misinformed voter period!

[Okotokian]

No Klien didn't get us debt free that's a lie. ..... The carbon tax you all hate is big oils creation they pushed governments to implement it....


LOL Another graduate of the Donald Trump school of alternative facts. Yup, oil companies pushed for the carbon tax. They wanted to make their product more expensive. Notley didn't want to do it. They made her... somehow. Maybe incriminating pictures.

And the deficit would be the same size regardless of who was in power???? Except it wasn't as big with the previous government. I could show you the numbers, but you would scream that I'm lying.

[CBintheNorth]

You're the troll can't handle a different view point than your own. We suffered 45 years of these bozos selling off our resources and crippling our future hence where we are today. Other places stood up to big oil in the first negotiations as did Lougheed. Scotland, Norway, Alaska, Sask and Nfld. All stuck to their terms and oil agreed to pay them. Only here did we have spinless kickback beaurcrats who pocketed the money they didn't give away to their rich friends. (This is where you'll say that the NDP have ruined our kids future with debt) No because debt will always be there no matter who runs the show. No Klien didn't get us debt free that's a lie. He did however make sure we had nothing left in our savings, and added 3 billion with his deal with Enron. The NDP have taken a smart path by diversification. We should never have had all our eggs in one basket. They are pro oil just doing it responsibly. The debt will be lower after a few years of recovery but we won't have to endure crippling cuts to services. The carbon tax you all hate is big oils creation they pushed governments to implement it. God forgive us if we ever talk bad about the hand that feeds us! That hand will bitch slap you at anytime. You're nobody to them their share holders are all that count. Only a fool would want to be lead back into the dark ages of AB under PC rule. PS im centrist and see the Alberta party as the best policy for all of us.By the way what is the UCPs policy? Oh that's right they don't have one and whenyouvote for a leader and not a policy you area misinformed voter period!

Such drivel.
I could post up every policy on every topic that Brian has PUBLICLY stated and is proud of if you like?
I'm guessing you won't bother reading any of them though...
How much policy did we hear about from the orange queen AFTER the election vs before? Oh ya, almost all of it came after, and most of what was said before, changed.

[Bighorn River]

Ha Ha, its obvious that Jeff Callaway was working with Kenney from the beginning as a tool to attack Jean so that Kenney could keeps his hands clean.

Fake campaign to support Kenney who is known for impressive tricks.

Based on the stories I am seeing about Kenney visiting every new Canadian social gathering in Alberta to sign up new members, as he perfected during his federal immigration ministers days, it looks inevitable that he's going to eat Jean's lunch.

Kenney's the better campaigner, but I bet the NDP would prefer him in a match up than Jean. The general election will be won by the folks in the middle, not the base, and Kenney has more negatives than Jean. Interesting times.

[MoFugger21]

For some reason, I don't trust a damn thing Kenney says or does - he comes off as a slimey grease-ball that won't win any voters closer to the middle than to the right in a general election. Like it or not, gone are the days of the hardcore fiscal (social) conservatives running this province, and Kenney sure feels like he fits that definition.

[CBintheNorth]

The pc's almost disappeared two years ago due to such a poor performance and lack of popularity. Now the strategy is to merge the party that was soo reviled the ndp got voted in in alberta with the popular conservative party known as the wild rose?

Jean has some measure of popularity but I have yet to really hear anyone say they see him as premier. If the economy is doing okay in a few years who ever is in power will probably be voted back in. People got all hissy because oil was cratering and thousands of people were being sent home so they turfed jim prentice when he said he would raise taxes and fees etc while giving business a break

What you need to remember is that the NDP won because the right split the vote and because Albertans could not stomach another "look in the mirror" comment. Neither is a factor as of now.
What are factors are that Brian so far has a much higher approval rating over Kenney, and that the split isn't happening this time.
And let me be the first to tell you then, that I see Brian Jean as the next Premier.
Bye bye Rachel.

[dmcbride]

You're the troll can't handle a different view point than your own. We suffered 45 years of these bozos selling off our resources and crippling our future hence where we are today. Other places stood up to big oil in the first negotiations as did Lougheed. Scotland, Norway, Alaska, Sask and Nfld. All stuck to their terms and oil agreed to pay them. Only here did we have spinless kickback beaurcrats who pocketed the money they didn't give away to their rich friends. (This is where you'll say that the NDP have ruined our kids future with debt) No because debt will always be there no matter who runs the show. No Klien didn't get us debt free that's a lie. He did however make sure we had nothing left in our savings, and added 3 billion with his deal with Enron. The NDP have taken a smart path by diversification. We should never have had all our eggs in one basket. They are pro oil just doing it responsibly. The debt will be lower after a few years of recovery but we won't have to endure crippling cuts to services. The carbon tax you all hate is big oils creation they pushed governments to implement it. God forgive us if we ever talk bad about the hand that feeds us! That hand will bitch slap you at anytime. You're nobody to them their share holders are all that count. Only a fool would want to be lead back into the dark ages of AB under PC rule. PS im centrist and see the Alberta party as the best policy for all of us. By the way what is the UCPs policy? Oh that's right they don't have one and whenyouvote for a leader and not a policy you area misinformed voter period!


You mean the companies that supported it but bailed after? Greasy.

[densa44]

There are certain words that you can't use in our Canadian Parliaments, and the speakers can add to them anytime they want.

For political debates to function on this site you people must restrict yourselves to what you could say if you were speaking in the house of commons. For example the "worst" thing one honourable member can call another is a liar. In one case a I witnessed a member call another just that and the speaker rose from his seat, quickly the hon. member withdrew the offensive remark and replaced it with "what the honourable member has just said bears no resemblance to the truth" the speaker ruled that that was acceptable.

This is a very important election for Alberta and public debate is a cornerstone of our democracy but it must remain polite and dignified.

You guys can do it if you try.

[chasingtail]

Never vote for anyone that doesn't have kids, they have no skin in the game. Europe's socialist leaders are all childless. Does Kenny have a girlfriend?

[jstubbs]

What is going on with Jean? Four months ago, he was the clear cut choice for leadership in my mind. Running a tight and steady ship with growing political momentum with the Wildrose Party (ever since he took over as leader, it was trending in the right direction), and they supposedly had a serious warchest built up. On top of that, he gave me the impression that he was cut from a similar cloth to Klein. Someone genuinely in politics for the best interest of all Albertans, a guy who is going to make the hard fiscal decisions that will be beneficial in the long run.

Then all of a sudden it's revealed the Wildrose ran a $322,000 deficit? And supposedly Callaway received a "threatening" email from a guy Jean appointed member of the UCP Interim Joint Board about it? The he slips up and has to apologize for saying "retarded"... Plus more. I like Jean, but it certainly has me second guessing. In a poll between him or Kenney though? I'll still take my chances with Jean.

[CBintheNorth]

What is going on with Jean? Four months ago, he was the clear cut choice for leadership in my mind. Running a tight and steady ship with growing political momentum with the Wildrose Party (ever since he took over as leader, it was trending in the right direction), and they supposedly had a serious warchest built up. On top of that, he gave me the impression that he was cut from a similar cloth to Klein. Someone genuinely in politics for the best interest of all Albertans, a guy who is going to make the hard fiscal decisions that will be beneficial in the long run.

Then all of a sudden it's revealed the Wildrose ran a $322,000 deficit? And supposedly Callaway received a "threatening" email from a guy Jean appointed member of the UCP Interim Joint Board about it? The he slips up and has to apologize for saying "retarded"... Plus more. I like Jean, but it certainly has me second guessing. In a poll between him or Kenney though? I'll still take my chances with Jean.

The WildRose's warchest had to be forfeited to the crown when they dissolved the party, yet they had to assume the debt of the PC's. Callaway knew that but still ran with it, that's why there's so much speculation that he was acting on behalf of someone else.

[raab]

For some reason, I don't trust a damn thing Kenney says or does - he comes off as a slimey grease-ball that won't win any voters closer to the middle than to the right in a general election. Like it or not, gone are the days of the hardcore fiscal (social) conservatives running this province, and Kenney sure feels like he fits that definition.

Kenney is actually a really nice guy from what I know of him. Met him the other night and he took a lot of time to visit with people. Brian is the same though, so its a really tough decision. My vote is swaying towards Brian because I think he'll actually be able to fix healthcare in this province. Another bonus is he's promised not to cut front line jobs. The more teachers and nurses you get not voting NDP the better.

[raab]

The WildRose's warchest had to be forfeited to the crown when they dissolved the party, yet they had to assume the debt of the PC's. Callaway knew that but still ran with it, that's why there's so much speculation that he was acting on behalf of someone else.

Did the money come from the WR war chest? I was under the impression it came from the province. Not that its a huge deal either way a new party was going to have a deficit as they would be getting around 4M for caucus positions as two parties, that number was cut down to around 2M with the merger. IIRC

[3blade]

Kenney is actually a really nice guy from what I know of him. Met him the other night and he took a lot of time to visit with people. Brian is the same though, so its a really tough decision. My vote is swaying towards Brian because I think he'll actually be able to fix healthcare in this province. Another bonus is he's promised not to cut front line jobs. The more teachers and nurses you get not voting NDP the better.

Brian's also gone on several rants about how AHS is a failure (it's not by any definition), managers managing managers (AHS spends the least of all Canadian provinces on admin), blaming the healthcare system for the death of his son etc etc. Are there things that could be improved? Of course. Does it need another overhaul? Hell no. Klein screwed everyone by ripping apart a functional system and then tripling the population. That's why it's was a mess, and now that things are back on track, we do not need another Ralph appointing his cronies to 7 figure salaries to "fix" something that only needs polishing.

Those promises ring hollow.

[raab]

Brian's also gone on several rants about how AHS is a failure (it's not by any definition), managers managing managers (AHS spends the least of all Canadian provinces on admin), blaming the healthcare system for the death of his son etc etc. Are there things that could be improved? Of course. Does it need another overhaul? Hell no. Klein screwed everyone by ripping apart a functional system and then tripling the population. That's why it's was a mess, and now that things are back on track, we do not need another Ralph appointing his cronies to 7 figure salaries to "fix" something that only needs polishing.

Those promises ring hollow.

How are things back on track? Seen the other day 1 ambulance for all of Edmonton for 45 minutes. Emergency wait times this morning averaging around 2 hours. The system is broke and the government can't fix it. The only thing that can fix it, is private investment in LTC beds to open up spots in the hospital. As well as private minor surgeries so that we dont have 2 year wait times a knee surgery.

And AHS is an absolute FAILURE! Managers do manage managers. Need to talk to 5 different people to see if you are allowed to do anything. It's an absolute disaster and the worst idea that the PC's ever came up with. AHS should be broken up and power given back to the health regions, and Ambulances services given back to the municipalities. The only people who think AHS is run good are managers.

[3blade]

How are things back on track? Seen the other day 1 ambulance for all of Edmonton for 45 minutes. Emergency wait times this morning averaging around 2 hours. The system is broke and the government can't fix it. The only thing that can fix it, is private investment in LTC beds to open up spots in the hospital. As well as private minor surgeries so that we dont have 2 year wait times a knee surgery.

And AHS is an absolute FAILURE! Managers do manage managers. Need to talk to 5 different people to see if you are allowed to do anything. It's an absolute disaster and the worst idea that the PC's ever came up with. AHS should be broken up and power given back to the health regions, and Ambulances services given back to the municipalities. The only people who think AHS is run good are managers.

Raab you seemed like a decent guy, but you are either parroting someone or talking out of your ass. Now I'm gonna give it a solid kick and hope your head pops out.

Posted ER wait times - are nearly irrelevant. If you have an actual emergency (CTAS 1 or 2) you will get seen quickly. The other stuff can and should wait. Do you really think there will ever be a full medical team just sitting there waiting for you to show up with a broken finger?? Any idea what that would cost? More than your time is worth, I promise you that.

The private ortho surgery clinic failed in Calgary. We don't have the population to support it, and anyone who says we do has no idea how expensive these things are. Yes, we need more LTC beds, but same problem. If Ralph hadn't closed hospitals and cut funding, we wouldn't have this problem today.

The health regions were combined to standardize care and equipment, and reduce costs. Example: a patient gets picked up by EMS, has an IV started. When they get to the ER, the IV tubing gets switched because it doesn't work with ER equipment. Then they get transferred to a surgical site, which might mean another switch back to EMS, and then to a different set when at the tertiary care center. One IV, four sets of tubing in one day. That's what was happening under Ralph. Now, it's one set or at most two. And you want to undo all the hard won progress that's been made to eliminate such waste? It all gets paid for by tax dollars.

If you want to see management problems, look where they come from. Some high up politically connected dipshiz interfering where they shouldn't.

The EMS system under municipalities and private companies was an absolute disaster of unprecedented proportions. Crews ran short, equipment was expired or not replaced when used, PPE was non existent, training was an afterthought. I could go on for a long time about this one because I lived it. You are dead wrong. The transition wasn't easy either. But things are better than they were.

You and Brian Jean can take your brain dead armchair quarterback comments and go for a long walk off a short plank. The big thing that needs fixing is politicians need to stop using healthcare as a football or scapegoat, and get their cronies out of all aspects of healthcare.

[densa44]

The solution is not as tough as you may think. Here in Alberta we always want to build something and institutionalize more people. The rest of the world works hard to keep them (the seniors) at home. We have challenges for sure, big country, houses built with front steps, need to be able to drive, etc.

However by using creative solutions we can keep way more people in the community than we do now. BTW the seniors support this, who wants to be shuffled off to a "home" somewhere so a hospital bed can be freed up?

Also as has been alluded to, if we stopped using hospitals, our most expensive option for minor treatment and family medicine you could empty out the emerg waiting room.

[raab]

Raab you seemed like a decent guy, but you are either parroting someone or talking out of your ass. Now I'm gonna give it a solid kick and hope your head pops out.

Posted ER wait times - are nearly irrelevant. If you have an actual emergency (CTAS 1 or 2) you will get seen quickly. The other stuff can and should wait. Do you really think there will ever be a full medical team just sitting there waiting for you to show up with a broken finger?? Any idea what that would cost? More than your time is worth, I promise you that.

The private ortho surgery clinic failed in Calgary. We don't have the population to support it, and anyone who says we do has no idea how expensive these things are. Yes, we need more LTC beds, but same problem. If Ralph hadn't closed hospitals and cut funding, we wouldn't have this problem today.

The health regions were combined to standardize care and equipment, and reduce costs. Example: a patient gets picked up by EMS, has an IV started. When they get to the ER, the IV tubing gets switched because it doesn't work with ER equipment. Then they get transferred to a surgical site, which might mean another switch back to EMS, and then to a different set when at the tertiary care center. One IV, four sets of tubing in one day. That's what was happening under Ralph. Now, it's one set or at most two. And you want to undo all the hard won progress that's been made to eliminate such waste? It all gets paid for by tax dollars.

If you want to see management problems, look where they come from. Some high up politically connected dipshiz interfering where they shouldn't.

The EMS system under municipalities and private companies was an absolute disaster of unprecedented proportions. Crews ran short, equipment was expired or not replaced when used, PPE was non existent, training was an afterthought. I could go on for a long time about this one because I lived it. You are dead wrong. The transition wasn't easy either. But things are better than they were.

You and Brian Jean can take your brain dead armchair quarterback comments and go for a long walk off a short plank. The big thing that needs fixing is politicians need to stop using healthcare as a football or scapegoat, and get their cronies out of all aspects of healthcare.

Not parroting or talking out my ass. I worked in the useless system. How can you say the system is fine? Its an absolute trainwreck and going to get worse with an aging population. Ive seen CTAS 3's on a spine board for over 6 hours from the time of pickup at the MVC until the time they get a bed in the ER. Ive seen seniors again CTAS 3 with abdominal pain laying in the hallways for 8 hours. And thats after already being seen at one hospital and being transferred to another. They transfer these patients without a bed waiting for them. So they have to be triaged again. You call that a good system? Its an absolute disgrace!

And the problems in AHS are an overabundance of managers and territory. Id cut 25% of the managers right off the top and streamline the decision making if I had it my way. After that I would assign all the managers Regions to handle. This would simplfy the work load and theyd get a better understanding of what challenges each Region faces.

As for IV's not crossing over. You and I both know theres a thing called a saline lock that can be used with different sets of IV tubing. Also you can still run the system Regionally and have a central warehouse they get supplies from.

The Ambulance system before hand wasnt great, but some municipalities were able to run more then what there contracted to now. AHS taking over has taken away the flexibility a municipality had to run extra ambulances from time to time.


If you truly think the system is fine theres nothing I can say that will change your mind. But this system is well on its way to failing. Need a MAJOR shakeup, and more investment brought in through private enterprise. Brian Jean is the only politician that I believe will actually do the right thing and fix it.

[3blade]

Not parroting or talking out my ass. I worked in the useless system. How can you say the system is fine? Its an absolute trainwreck and going to get worse with an aging population. Ive seen CTAS 3's on a spine board for over 6 hours from the time of pickup at the MVC until the time they get a bed in the ER. Ive seen seniors again CTAS 3 with abdominal pain laying in the hallways for 8 hours. And thats after already being seen at one hospital and being transferred to another. They transfer these patients without a bed waiting for them. So they have to be triaged again. You call that a good system? Its an absolute disgrace!

And the problems in AHS are an overabundance of managers and territory. Id cut 25% of the managers right off the top and streamline the decision making if I had it my way. After that I would assign all the managers Regions to handle. This would simplfy the work load and theyd get a better understanding of what challenges each Region faces.

As for IV's not crossing over. You and I both know theres a thing called a saline lock that can be used with different sets of IV tubing. Also you can still run the system Regionally and have a central warehouse they get supplies from.

The Ambulance system before hand wasnt great, but some municipalities were able to run more then what there contracted to now. AHS taking over has taken away the flexibility a municipality had to run extra ambulances from time to time.


If you truly think the system is fine theres nothing I can say that will change your mind. But this system is well on its way to failing. Need a MAJOR shakeup, and more investment brought in through private enterprise. Brian Jean is the only politician that I believe will actually do the right thing and fix it.

I never said fine. Of course there are improvements that are needed. Also, you can't push all meds through a lock and you know it. It was an example of too many cooks in the kitchen, all trying to be boss, and it happened a lot. Now some of those cooks are not boss and still mad about it.

Either you don't want to listen because you are upset about some negative thing that happened in your job, or you weren't involved in the Klein and stelmach years. Or both.

What I did say is another shakeup is not needed. Ralph had a theory of continuous chaos, 'shakeups' every 2-3 years before anything has a chance to work. The idea was to cause change burnout in healthcare workers, mistakes, high turnover and poor care, to destroy public trust and allow him to sell off AHS to American insurance companies. His meetings with insurance company reps and third way garbage are well documented.

AHS should be a true arms length operation. Get the politics out. No more soft landing places, 7 figure 1 year contracts, gold plated executive pensions for 5 years of service, or 80 some Vice Presidents. That's where money is being burned and decisions are being delayed.

Jean does not care about outcomes or improving the system. He cares about simple dollar figures that he can brag about to people who don't think any further, and he's out for revenge over some perceived slight involving his son. Watch his eyes and listen to his voice when he talks about healthcare. That is the look of a very angry vindictive person.

[raab]

I never said fine. Of course there are improvements that are needed. Also, you can't push all meds through a lock and you know it. It was an example of too many cooks in the kitchen, all trying to be boss, and it happened a lot. Now some of those cooks are not boss and still mad about it.

Either you don't want to listen because you are upset about some negative thing that happened in your job, or you weren't involved in the Klein and stelmach years. Or both.

What I did say is another shakeup is not needed. Ralph had a theory of continuous chaos, 'shakeups' every 2-3 years before anything has a chance to work. The idea was to cause change burnout in healthcare workers, mistakes, high turnover and poor care, to destroy public trust and allow him to sell off AHS to American insurance companies. His meetings with insurance company reps and third way garbage are well documented.

AHS should be a true arms length operation. Get the politics out. No more soft landing places, 7 figure 1 year contracts, gold plated executive pensions for 5 years of service, or 80 some Vice Presidents. That's where money is being burned and decisions are being delayed.

Jean does not care about outcomes or improving the system. He cares about simple dollar figures that he can brag about to people who don't think any further, and he's out for revenge over some perceived slight involving his son. Watch his eyes and listen to his voice when he talks about healthcare. That is the look of a very angry vindictive person.

Of course he's ****ed. Our useless healthcare system misdiagnosed his son for 7 months and when they finally did find out whats wrong with him, he died two weeks later. I know Id be ****ed to! Its not about the money, its about making a functioning system. Ive talked to him about this a few times. Perhaps you should do the same.