View Full Version : Should Alberta support Jagmeet Singh?
Jayhad
10-11-2017, 10:01 AM
OK OK, before you all start by burning my PAL, hear me out,
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/10/10/jagmeet-singh-would-respect-quebecs-separation-in-event-of-another-referendum_a_23239276/?utm_hp_ref=ca-homepage
I'm not saying I am going to do this, I am wondering if we can have a civil conversation about the possible, albeit hypothetical situation we could find ourselves in.
Jagmeet has stated he has no problem if Quebec separates, as much as it would break my heart to see our great nation crumble, some positives could come from this.
1) no Quebec in confederation equals no transfer payments to them
2) as much as I hate it, the door would be opened for our separation
3) Self determination for Albertans
4) Our resources wouldn't be held hostage by the cry babies out east.
Thoughts?
Truthfully I hope the best case scenario is that between Jagmeet and Justin they split the leftist vote.
I now don my fire-suit for the flames that come
Jagmeet is celebrating the demise of the Energy East pipe line along with Coderre.
New federal NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh said the regulatory move was the right decision, because energy projects must meet Canada's goals to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
"It's pretty clear that the people of Quebec had in their minds the protection of the environment, which is something that all Canadians believe in," said Singh.
"We want to make sure that any energy project that we go forward with has to respect our environmental goals.
"This is a project that didn't satisfy those concerns, so I think it's very clear that we should not in any way blame people who are defending the environment."
silverdoctor
10-11-2017, 10:14 AM
What do you think separation means? Do you think Quebec is going to become it's own country? Join France?
They haven't signed the constitution yet, what do you think the Meech Lake and Charlottetown accords were about? Greasing up Quebec to get them to sign - they still didn't. I urge people to read up on both accords.
The province of Quebec wants to remain part of Canada - keep the dollar but have full power. Akin to a 40 year old living in their parents basement, not paying rent, not doing chores, able to demand and control everything. Quebec couldn't stand alone as a country - neither could Alberta.
Okotokian
10-11-2017, 10:14 AM
Jagmeet might be the best guy in the world, but he leads a party I simply cannot vote for. Period.
Sooner
10-11-2017, 10:14 AM
I like this guy for one reason, he will take votes away from Turdo. I don't see the dippers getting anywhere near the support they had when Jack ran the party so he can appease Quebec all he want's.
1stLand
10-11-2017, 10:33 AM
You actually believe what Singh is saying?
I don't think you are both 'singhing' from the same songsheet my friend.
He is an NDP'er Period. They destroy economies, have false ideologies and waste money.
DiabeticKripple
10-11-2017, 10:34 AM
He is for the cancellation of Energy East, so it’s not worth my time or effort to look into what he supports.
While growing up I only lived under the Liberal government for a few years(End of Jean Chretien and Paul Martin) Those years didn't seem to bad, and I didn't really notice a change going to the Harper conservatives. The major changes being getting rid of the gun registry(didn't have guns at the time) and lower GST.
In saying that after living under Communist Notley, and Trudeau. It has become clear that there's a very BIG different between these parties. So will I support Jagmeet Singh? ABSOLUTELY NOT! I think both the Liberal and NDP parties should be OUTLAWED in Canada. We need government that works for the people. Not people that work for the government! Both Notley and Trudeau should be brought before the courts on treason charges. Oppression has no place and Canada, and it seems these two are working together to destabilize the entire country.
He is for the cancellation of Energy East, so it’s not worth my time or effort to look into what he supports.
He's an NDP, he and the rest of the party faithful should be shipped to Venezuela where they can starve in the streets!
http://www.dailywire.com/news/19694/5-ways-socialism-itself-turned-venezuela-trash-michael-qazvini#
Scott N
10-11-2017, 11:21 AM
Jagmeet might be the best guy in the world, but he leads a party I simply cannot vote for. Period.
I'm going to second this comment. NDP would be the last of the national parties I'd vote for.
I will never vote for the NDP. Very few policies and positions they hold are congruent with my views. Doesn't matter who's at the helm.
As far as separation is concerned - this issue is far more complex than most people understand - it's not as simple as describing "lazy Quebec suckling on the teats of the rest of the nation" OR "rich powerful Alberta would look out for #1".
I don't think I'd support Alberta's separation without a better understanding of what that really means in specific detail.
I don't really care if Quebec separates or not. That's up to them - if they want to go, let them go. To me it's kinda like keeping (forcing) a disgruntled ex-spouse and not "letting" her leave the basement .... lol ..... nothing good can happen there.
I will never vote for the NDP. Very few policies and positions they hold are congruent with my views. Doesn't matter who's at the helm.
As far as separation is concerned - this issue is far more complex than most people understand - it's not as simple as describing "lazy Quebec suckling on the teats of the rest of the nation" OR "rich powerful Alberta would look out for #1".
I don't think I'd support Alberta's separation without a better understanding of what that really means in specific detail.
I don't really care if Quebec separates or not. That's up to them - if they want to go, let them go. To me it's kinda like keeping (forcing) a disgruntled ex-spouse and not "letting" her leave the basement .... lol ..... nothing good can happen there.
Who cares about Quebec. Alberta will be the ones separating if these idiots in Ottawa dont shape up!
6.5 shooter
10-11-2017, 11:30 AM
ANY leader who praises the way Fidel ran his country and impoverished and imprisoned his people and see him as a role model....should not be leader of this country...and that includes the twit who holds the reins of power now.
As a National Party, the ND will never meets the needs of mainstay Canadians. Jagmet Singh, at the helm, reinforces my distaste for that Party. His baggage with respect to the Air India bombing and his unwillingness to denounce the Sikhs who committed the worst act of terrorism in Canada's history is a colossal set-back for him personally and shows where his loyalties are placed. No, I can't believe he is a National stage leader. He is an irrelevant leader for such a time as this.
Okotokian
10-11-2017, 11:50 AM
I think both the Liberal and NDP parties should be OUTLAWED in Canada... Oppression has no place and Canada...
Sort of an obvious contradiction. Think you need to work on that freedom and democracy thing a little more...
Sort of an obvious contradiction. Think you need to work on that freedom and democracy thing a little more...
When you're actively working to overthrow democracy, thats treason and should be illegal. If the NDP had it their way they'd have a autocratic government and we'd all be serfs. I have no problem with parties wanting to represent social issues, but when governments go so far left they believe in autocratic government, and see those autocratic leaders as heroes. That should be illegal, and run out of this country. We dont need or want socialist oppression here.
3blade
10-11-2017, 12:28 PM
ANY leader who praises the way Fidel ran his country and impoverished and imprisoned his people and see him as a role model....should not be leader of this country...and that includes the twit who holds the reins of power now.
Agree with you and raab on this one.
Praising and emulating communist dictators should earn a person a one way trip to Siberia. Then they can experience what socialism is really like.
Okotokian
10-11-2017, 12:57 PM
When you're actively working to overthrow democracy, thats treason and should be illegal. If the NDP had it their way they'd have a autocratic government and we'd all be serfs. I have no problem with parties wanting to represent social issues, but when governments go so far left they believe in autocratic government, and see those autocratic leaders as heroes. That should be illegal, and run out of this country. We dont need or want socialist oppression here.
What if socialists win an election fair and square? You seem to want democracy as long as the vote goes your way. Surprised you can't see the hypocrisy in your position.
Newview01
10-11-2017, 01:02 PM
Should Alberta vote for a federal NDP government? No.
JDK71
10-11-2017, 01:03 PM
not going to get my vote
3blade
10-11-2017, 01:09 PM
What if socialists win an election fair and square? You seem to want democracy as long as the vote goes your way. Surprised you can't see the hypocrisy in your position.
Hitler gained power through democracy. Without winning an election.
Sound familiar BC?
There is a limit to everything, and that includes who can and should lead a national government. A wannabe dictator is outside that limit and has to be stopped.
What if socialists win an election fair and square? You seem to want democracy as long as the vote goes your way. Surprised you can't see the hypocrisy in your position.
The question your asking is do I support the type of Autocratic government that the NDP leaders love? My answer is NO, I would fight that anyway I could. Luckily I dont think we should have any fear of the NDP winning a Federal election anytime soon.
wildwoods
10-11-2017, 04:16 PM
Luckily I dont think we should have any fear of the NDP winning a Federal election anytime soon.
As much as I want to be reassured of this^^^ I'm not holding my breath. Anything is possible in this (divided) country.
I still can't get over a certain provinces mayor dancing about our pipeline failure.
sgill808
10-11-2017, 05:00 PM
Jagmeet might be the best guy in the world, but he leads a party I simply cannot vote for. Period.
I agree.
lmtada
10-11-2017, 05:16 PM
No, will not support NDP.
JustBen
10-11-2017, 05:50 PM
Cause the NDP has done great things for Alberta.
Not.
CritterCommander
10-11-2017, 06:00 PM
NO NOT NADA NEVER...... you get it
Newellknik
10-11-2017, 06:16 PM
On this one . The meet man could very well lead his party
to federal dominance ...Every one is aware of how important
Alberta s vote is in Federal politics ....Zilch ....
I'm not sure if outdoor folks live in a bubble or its just
A southern Alberta thing . We, the great oil did give a majority
To a socialist party so anything anytime is possible .
Reality is for people who can't handle Drugs .
I'm so screwed up , I'm sitting watching the leafs and
enjoying them .
bobinthesky
10-11-2017, 06:33 PM
While growing up I only lived under the Liberal government for a few years(End of Jean Chretien and Paul Martin) Those years didn't seem to bad, and I didn't really notice a change going to the Harper conservatives. The major changes being getting rid of the gun registry(didn't have guns at the time) and lower GST.
In saying that after living under Communist Notley, and Trudeau. It has become clear that there's a very BIG different between these parties. So will I support Jagmeet Singh? ABSOLUTELY NOT! I think both the Liberal and NDP parties should be OUTLAWED in Canada. We need government that works for the people. Not people that work for the government! Both Notley and Trudeau should be brought before the courts on treason charges. Oppression has no place and Canada, and it seems these two are working together to destabilize the entire country.
You could have written screen plays for Mel Brooks in the seventies!
Don K
10-11-2017, 06:50 PM
Not in this lifetime.
cowmanbob
10-11-2017, 07:18 PM
Not in this lifetime.
Wise words.
When you're actively working to overthrow democracy, thats treason and should be illegal. If the NDP had it their way they'd have a autocratic government and we'd all be serfs. I have no problem with parties wanting to represent social issues, but when governments go so far left they believe in autocratic government, and see those autocratic leaders as heroes. That should be illegal, and run out of this country. We dont need or want socialist oppression here.
Unbelievable.
Listen, I'm no NDP or Liberal supporter by any stretch of the imagination - but it really sounds like you have democracy and fascism confused.
As OKI pointed out your view clearly demonstrates hypocrisy.
sjemac
10-11-2017, 09:54 PM
With the new NDP Leader there’s a decent chance that the Left could split the vote if he turns out to be charismatic and charming as has been previously indicated. Trudeau’s chances of reelection just got a little bit slimmer.
kmacisaac
10-11-2017, 10:25 PM
This guy could be the guy that does what all of us need...the guy that splits the moron left vote.
Here is to hoping!
silverdoctor
10-11-2017, 10:29 PM
Didn't take long to get off topic :)
Unbelievable.
Listen, I'm no NDP or Liberal supporter by any stretch of the imagination - but it really sounds like you have democracy and fascism confused.
As OKI pointed out your view clearly demonstrates hypocrisy.
You do realize the fascists were socialists? I would fight any form of oppression in this country that interfere with a persons freedom. Be that from socialists, sharia law, or any other group, to many died fighting wars for democracy to give it away so easily. And to be clear I dont mind a bit of socialism, its the crazys like the NDP and Trudeau who take to a new level.
Sundancefisher
10-12-2017, 05:59 AM
He is great cause he will steal votes from Trudeau.
He is a walking wrecking ball for Alberta because he stands against our right to produce our oil and gas.
Voting NDP Federally of Provincially will never happen for me.
ScubaSteve
10-12-2017, 12:47 PM
It will be interesting. Not sure how many votes he will steal. I can foresee alot of Liberal voters going his way, especially new canadians, however I can also see alot of folks, particularly from older generations, who won't vote for him, for "reasons".
I myself will never vote Liberal or NDP due to their ideology and their need to tax and spend. I prefer the $$$'s left in my pocket, so I can choose how to spend them, not Ottawa.
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