Treating apprentices like dirt

[Calgarian]

Is this still a common thing these days? What are your experiences as apprentices?

[fish_e_o]

Is this still a common thing these days?

it's a tactic used to get people who can work out of trades to pursue better things

[Ken07AOVette]

The rigs are by far the worst. I worked on a rig with a snot nosed little dbag, and trust me he wore the uniform 24/7. Big lifted dodge, white sunglasses, barb wire tattoo on his water arms, you know the type.
He was absolutely ignorant and miserable to green guys, and for whatever reason they kept him on.
That didn't last long with me. I wouldn't be pushed around by these little pukes.

[45-70man]

I grew up through the trades and compleated my apprenticeship, some days were rough but honestly most of the treating people like "dirt" was blown way out of proportion. the people complaining they were treated unfairly were almost exclusively very subpar workers. Not necessarily because they weren't allstar good at their job but their tradesmenship was extremely lacking and their work ethic sucks.
Today's breed of apprentice has caused me walk away from supervisor/Forman roles and walk away from the trade altogether.

[Jigger]

I grew up through the trades and compleated my apprenticeship, some days were rough but honestly most of the treating people like "dirt" was blown way out of proportion. the people complaining they were treated unfairly were almost exclusively very subpar workers. Not necessarily because they weren't allstar good at their job but their tradesmenship was extremely lacking and their work ethic sucks.
Today's breed of apprentice has caused me walk away from supervisor/Forman roles and walk away from the trade altogether.

yep x2 i remember getting yelled at the odd time in first year, smartened up and didn't hear a peep the rest of the apprenticeship. learned good work ethic and how to be a good tradesmen because of it. the guys that didnt adjust continued to get yelled at or just quit.

[dmcbride]

yep x2 i remember getting yelled at the odd time in first year, smartened up and didn't hear a peep the rest of the apprenticeship. learned good work ethic and how to be a good tradesmen because of it. the guys that didnt adjust continued to get yelled at or just quit.

X3 weeds out the guys milking a job.

[hilt134]

Depends i was a high school apprentice with the rap program. Boss figured out a way he could pay me provincial minimum instead iff the apprentice mimimum that my buddies in the program made. Then after my first year i left the shop and found out thy never filled out my blue book even though i had a fair bit of tje hours built up. Aside from getting screwed on that side the guys where all great to work with and very patient. Actually the boss wasnt going to imvite me to staff partys but the other guys gave him crap over it. Really it just depend on you boss id say and how the other workers apprentice ships were.

[Dweb]

As a sheet metal journey man and now a 2nd year crane operator I know very well how apprentices are treated. I would say the majority are treated and trained with respect and a small few (who usually are asking for it) are treated like crap.

[Robins36]

I’ve got my foreman's kid with me starting his apprenticeship so I’m treating him pretty good. I had one apprentice that kept making the same mistake daily so I rode him till he quit.

[Sooner]

As a sheet metal journey man and now a 2nd year crane operator I know very well how apprentices are treated. I would say the majority are treated and trained with respect and a small few (who usually are asking for it) are treated like crap.

This is true. I walked into the Auto Body trade green as green with a work experience program in High School. I wanted to be in the trade though. First guy I met is still my friend today, he owns his own shop and I ended my career with him. He took me under his wing, showed me the ropes from sweeping floors, to cleaning cars and then prepping them. When he left to start his own shop, other great guys showed me how to fix cars and frames. I never forgot that and treated new guys and apprentices the same.

Ya we joked around, pulled some pranks on the apprentices. Ya I had some mean and ornery old fart journeymen to deal with. Mostly they didn't like a young guy showing them up.

There were a couple apprentices who shouldn't have been in the trade and when asked, we gave our opinion. There were a few we stood up for to the boss when he thought they should be fired for being slow but we knew they would be great. Everyone learns at their own pace.

I am ok with the pranks pulled on me as an apprentice and with the ones I pulled on them :) But never treated them as my personal gofer or dirt.

[^v^Tinda wolf^v^]

It is not too common from my experiences or where I come from. I come from a rather old fashioned work atmosphere and the boss was more like a colenal in the army lol. Not one single time in my 15 years of working for him I was treated with disrespect and he always kept my respect because of it. I was expected to work very hard and I did. Starting out at 18 years old I was very wild and had my share of stern talking to. There’s a reason people stay with a company for 15 years and it isn’t because of being disrespected.

On the other hand through the hundreds of people I’ve seen come and go through the years it was common for other employees to take a jab at one and other, maybe at times it was because of jealousy because somethings you find so very simple they had problems with or they had problems they were dealing with that made them feel better by lashing out at someone who wasn’t at their rank and it some how helped boost their confidence. I’ve delt with lots of this because I am so skilled at what I do. Yes, some what hated by all and only because of natural talent.

Word to the wise, you only stay the best by not calling yourself the best 😁
And bragging only created hatred from my life experiences. I’m guessing you are very talented perhaps? :thinking-006:

[^v^Tinda wolf^v^]

I’d like to add one more thing here. A lot of people work in the trades because it’s what they love to do and not because they are not smart enough to persue another career. I think this is hard for some people to get a grasp on :thinking-006:

I know of a handful of people that could buy the company they work for but continue to work because it is their passion.

[ResidentSpokesman]

I abuse every one of them twice as hard as I got it.

I go through a lot of them lol

[lmtada]

My first driller was a screamer (we had a few go around behind manifold shack). Fresh out high school, -30c, picking ditch, and cellar with pick/shovel. So much sweat, I stripped down to plain coveralls. Went to Bar in Peace River with crew, motorboy was pouring beer on locals heads. Ended up scraping with couple locals. I think I dropped about $400.00 at bar that night (86'). Made it through unscathed. That was wild first week. Still saved a little money.
"Wasn't that a party, could been whiskey, might have been the gin. Could been 2-4-6 six pack, I don't know but look at the shape I'm in. My head is like a football, think I'm gonna die". :sHa_shakeshout:
Times have changed.:fighting0030:

[tchardy1972]

I’d like to add one more thing here. A lot of people work in the trades because it’s what they love to do and not because they are not smart enough to persue another career. I think this is hard for some people to get a grasp on :thinking-006:

I know of a handful of people that could buy the company they work for but continue to work because it is their passion.
Well said. It's the reason tradesman will be the one who make the really big money in the near future. Very few of these young people now have the work ethic or the give the f#*k attitude it takes to work the trades. We are an aging brèed but will one day soon get to name your price.

[Unregistered user]

When I was a 1st year Hd Mechanic, I got a fair bit of the treatment, (Some of it deserved and some not) but I kept it up and the older guys relented as I was doing my share and then some. I work at a big outfit with a huge HR department and if we ride the less than stellar new hires we get the **** end of the stick for our troubles. Even when we can show that the prospect is useless and a danger to the crew, it is not our decision to make- it is above our pay grade. Feel-good politics is destroying our society.

[leo]

I've been involved in building construction for about 35 years. I worked my way up from the bottom. I worked as a General Contractor and contract Superintendent on some nice commercial projects. Then dived into the large projects such as the New Edmonton Remand and the Bow Tower in Calgary. Right now I'm the senior superintendent building a 100 M greenhouse at the airport by Leduc. Now that I've qualified my opinions, my mantra is very simple. Not one person's job is any more important than anothers, including mine. As individuals we can show our merit, but it takes a dedicated team to put up large structures. Somedays the most valuable employees are the ones that sweep the floor. Screamers and swollen egos don't garner respect or fear. Just loathing.

[alfoldivandor]

I am working as tool and die maker and teaching apprentices , and I do what they did with me ....

Teaching as much as possible the young one as the did with me ...
but they have to listen , no pick and chose between the jobs ,
even so I do apprentice job just to they have a chance to learn more complicated operation ,

I am they best friend until they work hard and listen ... for sure
they have different abilities......
I except that We are not same some need more time some less ...

The present job I am working I got by my former apprentice wrote me a reference letter . He is managing the tool room in other company and he is not 30 years old yet ...


Is this still a common thing these days? What are your experiences as apprentices?

[^v^Tinda wolf^v^]

There isn’t many old fashioned ran business’s around anymore. The good old kind of place where things were set straight outside the shop and where it was expected that you get back to work after licking your wounds when it was all said and done. I’m glad I was able to be part of old school lessons and laugh about how things are these days. I think some of these young whipper snappers don’t realize how lucky they are that the work place has evolved into a snow flake friendly field of morons with feelers it is today 😁

[CaberTosser]

I've not seen it in 29 years. That being said some workers think they're above certain tasks and get bent out of shape being given unpleasant work. If they can't do that work what makes them think they can do the more technical difficult stuff that's the domain of senior workers? (workers who have done their share and then some of the unpleasant tasks, and often still do)

Some people interpret difficult or unpleasant work as being mistreated. Those people have delusions of their own importance.

[Newview01]

I've been involved in building construction for about 35 years. I worked my way up from the bottom. I worked as a General Contractor and contract Superintendent on some nice commercial projects. Then dived into the large projects such as the New Edmonton Remand and the Bow Tower in Calgary. Right now I'm the senior superintendent building a 100 M greenhouse at the airport by Leduc. Now that I've qualified my opinions, my mantra is very simple. Not one person's job is any more important than anothers, including mine. As individuals we can show our merit, but it takes a dedicated team to put up large structures. Somedays the most valuable employees are the ones that sweep the floor. Screamers and swollen egos don't garner respect or fear. Just loathing.

No project that I have been a part of that was messy had good quality work put into it.

[hayseed]

I don't always abuse my apprentices....

But when I do, I put on my white sunglasses, and throw in a lipripper, and jump in my lifted Lonhorn, and head for home when I'm done.

Ahh the usual on AO white sunglasses and lifted truck deal....never gets old..

With any job, don't put out, you will get ripped on. Keep screwing the pooch, it will get worse. You are there to learn, and work. If not you won't be there.
Seems legit.

Guess what... you even get paid for it.. no really you do.
Show up early, work hard, learn, clean up after yourself, don't talk back, share your moms cinnamon buns and life is good.

[Big pete]

The rigs are by far the worst. I worked on a rig with a snot nosed little dbag, and trust me he wore the uniform 24/7. Big lifted dodge, white sunglasses, barb wire tattoo on his water arms, you know the type.
He was absolutely ignorant and miserable to green guys, and for whatever reason they kept him on.
That didn't last long with me. I wouldn't be pushed around by these little pukes.

I grew up on the rigs and dealt with the same kind of dbags...worked my way up from roughneck to driller and always treated young guys with respect and helped them along the way whenever I could ,( I know what it’s like to be treated like dirt)

[purgatory.sv]

Is this still a common thing these days? What are your experiences as apprentices?

What is dirt?

Dirt is the foundation of structure.
If you are questioning dirt you need to back off.

What trade are you questioning?

[ResidentSpokesman]

There isn’t many old fashioned ran business’s around anymore. The good old kind of place where things were set straight outside the shop and where it was expected that you get back to work after licking your wounds when it was all said and done. I’m glad I was able to be part of old school lessons and laugh about how things are these days. I think some of these young whipper snappers don’t realize how lucky they are that the work place has evolved into a snow flake friendly field of morons with feelers it is today 😁

There's still a few left 😉😉

[Scottmisfits]

In 20+ years of being in the trades, I’ve had one apprentice that I treated pretty rough. Finally I told him he should quit and go be a stripper because he’d probably be better at it and make more money. I had no idea of the plans but he got laid off about an hour later. I kind of felt like a donkey.

[ESOXangler]

Had some terrible journeymen, one or two good ones!

I'm big on respect and cracking jokes. That being said I can be hard to work with if I like the apprentice. I'll expect more and put more into them.

With all that being said. Taking out garbage without being asked will vault you oretty high in my books!

[elkhunter11]

I went through two apprenticeships myself, and I had many apprentices working for me. I have seen some lazy journeymen that treated apprentices badly, but usually the apprentices that feel abused are lazy or have zero aptitude, , and should not be in the trades.

[purgatory.sv]

I went through two apprenticeships myself, and I had many apprentices working for me. I have seen some lazy journeymen that treated apprentices badly, but usually the apprentices that feel abused are lazy or have zero aptitude, , and should not be in the trades.

this

[reddeerguy2015]

No project that I have been a part of that was messy had good quality work put into it.

What does that even mean ????

[coastalhunter]

You can tell a lot about a person who thinks certain tasks are below them once they get their JM.

I sweep the floors and take the garbage out still, and the one 2nd year we have won't do either.

[TylerThomson]

I've been involved in building construction for about 35 years. I worked my way up from the bottom. I worked as a General Contractor and contract Superintendent on some nice commercial projects. Then dived into the large projects such as the New Edmonton Remand and the Bow Tower in Calgary. Right now I'm the senior superintendent building a 100 M greenhouse at the airport by Leduc. Now that I've qualified my opinions, my mantra is very simple. Not one person's job is any more important than anothers, including mine. As individuals we can show our merit, but it takes a dedicated team to put up large structures. Somedays the most valuable employees are the ones that sweep the floor. Screamers and swollen egos don't garner respect or fear. Just loathing.

So it is safe to assume you get paid the same as your custodians?

[TylerThomson]

What does that even mean ????

It means if you can't take pride in your work site you probably don't take pride in your work.

[WillyOneStyle]

I start out with a lot of patience. I am, after all, training the guy. As time goes on, patience wheres thin and I let my guys know. At times, I let them know all day long. When it is quitting time, that is over, they don't have to deal with me again until the next shift.

Very recently, I lost my apprentice to a car wreck. He was an incredible human being. My patience never wore thin with him. I am sure glad about that. We parted on good terms.

[schreyer]

Whenever we get a new operator on site, I try my best to make time to train the guy with what I know about the site. The way I look at it, the easier I make it for him, the faster he'll catch on, the easier it'll make my job down the road.

It's not so much putting in the 12 hour days. It's the people that you work with that'll make the difference. Totally different atmosphere now, than when I joined the rigs when I was 18.

[Team Anzac]

Being a Structural Ironworker for 25 years I've seen a lot of apprentices come and go. You know the ones that are cut out to do the work, which is a very small percentage. The weak are weeded out, and the strong survive. This will never change, If you want the world handed to you on a platter, the trades are not the place to be.

[Bushrat]

Some apprentices come in and expect to do nothing but what they think a journeyman does on the first day. We had one guy who expected we would put a spray gun in his hand and let him spray a car. We told him he would be sweeping floors, cleaning, sanding, masking, etc for several months and if he wanted to learn to paint he would have to find some throwaway fenders and doors and ask the painter nicely if there was any left over paint could he go in the booth and spray the remains on the old fender as long as he kept up with his other work. His attitude went in the toilet. The next day he showed up with his mom at 8:00 who demanded he be allowed to spray cars as that's what he was hired to learn and how was he going to learn to paint cars if we had him sweeping,sanding, masking. She demanded this part of the job was not fair to her son, he was not interested in that, we were taking advantage of him by making him do this menial labour, it was dusty and dirty and wasting his time when we should be teaching him to paint cars. She was going to labour standards and file a complaint against us. Never saw the kid again.

[7mmremmag]

The rigs are by far the worst. I worked on a rig with a snot nosed little dbag, and trust me he wore the uniform 24/7. Big lifted dodge, white sunglasses, barb wire tattoo on his water arms, you know the type.
He was absolutely ignorant and miserable to green guys, and for whatever reason they kept him on.
That didn't last long with me. I wouldn't be pushed around by these little pukes.

I can honestly say as a Service Rig Consultant it has come a long way since I started 14yrs ago. There is a lot less of this than there used to be.
Not saying its perfect now, but definitely improved.

[omega50]

Apprenticed in the Cook Trade in the late 80's.

The abuse at the time would make Gordon Ramsey blush.
I remember I had just started at the Delta Bow Valley and it was my second day. Calgary Stampede was on and a huge thunderstorm rolled in and within minutes we were totally slammed. I got thrown on the line manning the broiler. No instruction from the Chef-Just F-bombs and grill orders. Squirrel system was spitting out new orders onto the counter and onto the floor

I loaded the grill with about 20 burgers and 10 steaks only to find out that I had greatly exceeded the capacity of the ventilation system to remove smoke. Triggered a fire alarm , which shut down the kitchen vents. Kitchen and restaurant filling with smoke-Fire department running through the kitchen following their protocols. Chef went absolutely beserk screaming obscenities that I haven't heard before or since.

The heat was insane and I was dripping sweat and on the verge of passing out and I went to the sink to take a drink of water.

Chef beside himself that I had the audacity to take the time to have a sip of water during the rush.2" from my face screaming and hurtling insults about having extra time on my hands if I had time to take a sip of water.
I looked him in the eye and told him-Yes I took a sip-but I would not swallow until the rush was over.

He stormed out too upset to deal with me . Asked later if there was any need for me to come in the next day. He started laughing and told me all things considered I handled the rush pretty well, but cautioned me against future sarcasm:)

[bobtodrick]

I apprenticed at R. Angus in the early 70's.
Nothing but good things to say about the way they treated us.
Of course we got some unpleasant tasks (doing an acid wash on a D8 to strip the paint was pretty nasty)...but was always treated with respect.

[The Fisherman Guy]

I started in the patch nearly 20 years ago, and experienced my fair share of overly enthusiastic drillers who loved to watch "their worms" squirm. I saw guys come and go, while I started working my way up.

Just recently I have entered a completely new heavy industry.The ribbing I receive for being a new guy who lacks experience and knowledge is par for the course if you ask me. I am glad for it, it's part of personal development. Experienced guys will always test the merits of the new.

If you can't take the heat at an entry level, what makes you believe you would be able to handle the pressures of a senior position?

[leo]

So it is safe to assume you get paid the same as your custodians?

I'm sure you'll figure it out when you grow up and stop being an internet troll.

[Fisherpeak]

I don`t mind the razzing and joking but I can not abide a bully. I don`t get that anymore(too old and mean) but I have seen the crap some bosses chuck out on decent guys.Do that to me and it`s a fight and I`m looking to work someplace else.No reason to put up with Nazi Bull sh!t.

[TylerThomson]

I'm sure you'll figure it out when you grow up and stop being an internet troll.

Troll? The whole everybody is important feel good nonsense drives me crazy. It's upper management feel good speak. Now I'm not saying everyone at work doesn't deserve to be treated with respect what I'm saying is that putting a general labourer who's job is to pick up skids and garbage at the same level of importance as a skilled equipment operator or a journeyman tradesman is disingenuous. One can be replaced by literally any warm body the other can not. One simply has to show up in the morning with a pair of boots and the other has spend years honing their skills.

It's the same type of management feel good speak that has created a race to the bottom for skilled workers on big projects. You see it a lot info places like fort mcmurray. Their is no difference in compensation between independent contractors and as a result there is no competition between them resulting in most guys having the attitude of why should I do that if Bob only does this much in a day.

If you truly believe that no one is more important than anyone else on a job site and that all employees are equals then you need to dust off your boots and get back on the tools for a while.

[58thecat]

I grew up through the trades and compleated my apprenticeship, some days were rough but honestly most of the treating people like "dirt" was blown way out of proportion. the people complaining they were treated unfairly were almost exclusively very subpar workers. Not necessarily because they weren't allstar good at their job but their tradesmenship was extremely lacking and their work ethic sucks.
Today's breed of apprentice has caused me walk away from supervisor/Forman roles and walk away from the trade altogether.

Yup hands tide when dealing with these types, a stern verbal lashing or a boot to the arse was the way with these certain types but now the old HR card will come out quicker than you think and your standing there wondering where did society go wrong...:sign0176:

[58thecat]

Whenever we get a new operator on site, I try my best to make time to train the guy with what I know about the site. The way I look at it, the easier I make it for him, the faster he'll catch on, the easier it'll make my job down the road.

It's not so much putting in the 12 hour days. It's the people that you work with that'll make the difference. Totally different atmosphere now, than when I joined the rigs when I was 18.

Ya but where do you draw the line as in constantly taking one step forward and two steps back with the same individual that is just a cancer to the crew...we all had them...today we have too many steps to accommodate dead weight and not enough to benefit the others that pick up the slack for these idle crows.
It's very time consuming, stressful and not beneficial to overall outcome but I boot to the arse or a good old taking to out of sight and hearing distance of others might put things into perspective...as for the HR card being played...conversation never happened.:scared0015:

[leo]

Troll? The whole everybody is important feel good nonsense drives me crazy. It's upper management feel good speak. Now I'm not saying everyone at work doesn't deserve to be treated with respect what I'm saying is that putting a general labourer who's job is to pick up skids and garbage at the same level of importance as a skilled equipment operator or a journeyman tradesman is disingenuous. One can be replaced by literally any warm body the other can not. One simply has to show up in the morning with a pair of boots and the other has spend years honing their skills.

It's the same type of management feel good speak that has created a race to the bottom for skilled workers on big projects. You see it a lot info places like fort mcmurray. Their is no difference in compensation between independent contractors and as a result there is no competition between them resulting in most guys having the attitude of why should I do that if Bob only does this much in a day.

If you truly believe that no one is more important than anyone else on a job site and that all employees are equals then you need to dust off your boots and get back on the tools for a while.
PM sent. sorry op, I'll keep this discussion private.

[pikergolf]

The two men I apprenticed under treated me well. Hell, they treated everyone one well, from the cleaning staff to the guys that we supported that were always breaking stuff. It payed off in spades for both of them, as the were universally liked and respected. The lower positions, "cleaners, trades helpers, etc", would bend over backwards for them. It was a lesson that wasn't lost on me. My favorite of the two always told me, treat others the way you want to be treated.

[catnthehat]

If there were no labourers who would clean up after everyone?
If there were no labourers who would do all the things like packing lumber or flagging vehicles ?

When an apprentice or labourer gets hurt it costs just as much In lost time investigations and WBC Rates as if the highest paid person on the job was injured .

So yeah, the people who some think are the mostly lowly type of person on the job are just as or rant as the highest paid superintendent and they deserve the same respect if they are doing their job well.
One man dies not build a project
Cat

[leo]

The two men I apprenticed under treated me well. Hell, they treated everyone one well, from the cleaning staff to the guys that we supported that were always breaking stuff. It payed off in spades for both of them, as the were universally liked and respected. The lower positions, "cleaners, trades helpers, etc", would bend over backwards for them. It was a lesson that wasn't lost on me. My favorite of the two always told me, treat others the way you want to be treated.

Agree 200%..

[roger]

even the apprentice cashier employee at timmies this morning was having issues in the new position, im a journeyman consumer so its up to me to be understanding patient, clear and helpful.

respect for apprentices shouldnt just be on the 'my' jobsite.

i have had some genuinely ignorant journeyman but im sure everyone has those stories.

[CaberTosser]

I guess ignorant apprentices is another thread.....:sHa_sarcasticlol:

Some people are teachable, others make it too difficult. I know Mr Miyagi said "No such thing as bad student, only bad teacher!" but the students have to at least be willing to try.

[TraskDaddy1]

Going into the trade I was warned that most journeyman “treat apprentices like garbage”. But my experience was completely different . I have nothing but good things to say about all the guys and gals I’ve worked with in the scaffolding trade. Of course there were times I’d get snapped at but all for good reason. As I’ve progressed brought the trade I have however seen some first year treated like dirt, usually because of there work ethic. But I digress. I think the whole treat apprentices like dirt is dead . Thank god haha


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[normstad]

Some apprentices come in and expect to do nothing but what they think a journeyman does on the first day. We had one guy who expected we would put a spray gun in his hand and let him spray a car. We told him he would be sweeping floors, cleaning, sanding, masking, etc for several months and if he wanted to learn to paint he would have to find some throwaway fenders and doors and ask the painter nicely if there was any left over paint could he go in the booth and spray the remains on the old fender as long as he kept up with his other work. His attitude went in the toilet. The next day he showed up with his mom at 8:00 who demanded he be allowed to spray cars as that's what he was hired to learn and how was he going to learn to paint cars if we had him sweeping,sanding, masking. She demanded this part of the job was not fair to her son, he was not interested in that, we were taking advantage of him by making him do this menial labour, it was dusty and dirty and wasting his time when we should be teaching him to paint cars. She was going to labour standards and file a complaint against us. Never saw the kid again.

Amazing the kid would let his mom come to a body shop (hung around a few in my days). Most of us would be embarrassed as all get out.

[Geraldsh]

Back in the day, when I was a service rig operator I got my nephew hired on as roughneck but I told the manager I didn't want him on my rig. Company had 10 rigs so that was not a problem and nephew was a farm boy with a good work ethic so he did alright. Within a month though, everyone in the whole dang company was calling me uncle :)

[boah]

I abuse every one of them twice as hard as I got it.

I go through a lot of them lol

why?

[catnthehat]

I abuse every one of them twice as hard as I got it.

I go through a lot of them lol

I wonder if they learn anything other than hatred and contempt for people like you ?
Cat

[Ken07AOVette]

Very recently, I lost my apprentice to a car wreck. He was an incredible human being. My patience never wore thin with him. I am sure glad about that. We parted on good terms.

My condolences to friends and family. Sorry to hear that. :(

[Don K]

X3 weeds out the guys milking a job.

Exactly! Way to many of them and only getting worse...

[trophybook]

why?

Little mouth piece kids need to get the gears and shown who's boss....to entitled these days

[Gboe8]

For the most part I was always treaded good during my years leading to
My ticket. You always have a hand full of people that have had nothing going for them in life so they need to treat people like crap. But as being someone that has owned operated a little business, you get a lot more out of people if you work hard and set an example and teach.

[sns2]

For the most part I was always treaded good during my years leading to
My ticket. You always have a hand full of people that have had nothing going for them in life so they need to treat people like crap. But as being someone that has owned operated a little business, you get a lot more out of people if you work hard and set an example and teach.

You are right, but it didn't work worth a damn with that useless piece of skin cousin you employed. LOL.

[hilt134]

I have no use for older apprentices or ticketed guys who treat the apprentice like dirt. Some guys think once they get their ticket the sun shines out of their bottom. Funny thing is whem guys get reputations of being bad to apprentuces it sticks. I know the shop i worked for is one of the most prestigous in its area but it has a hard time staffing cause they pay their apprentices badly and over work them. Also this last part applies to pretty well any job. How is it bearable to make your coworkers hate you? Not all of mine like me but i dont go out of my way to make it happen.

[ESOXangler]

Little mouth piece kids need to get the gears and shown who's boss....to entitled these days

People with your opinion usually are the biggest mouth pieces. You're contempt makes you sad.

[saskbooknut]

Had Apprentices and Journeymen from my favourite Electrician outfit - Apprentice roughed in electrics for my downstairs bathroom - tidiest job ever and wanted to know how I wanted things. The most senior Journeyman did the final install after the gyproc and flooring was in - while the Apprentice was writing his finals for Journeyman status.
I never saw anything but respect and professionalism from these guys, between these guys and the owner of the company. I think that is the way it should be.
Burco Electric in Saskatoon are on my list of good guys.