No balaclavas during winter in Quebec if you want to ride transit

[Sundancefisher]

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/montreal/bill-62-stephanie-vallee-muslim-niqab-1.4356263

When my bus shows up late...I am frozen already and bus has no heat I am not taking off my warm clothes.

This law should fail.

If you take an oath or need to confirm who you are by facial recognition I see no issue with having to take it off.

But a bus ride. Silly.

[Ken07AOVette]

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/montreal/bill-62-stephanie-vallee-muslim-niqab-1.4356263

When my bus shows up late...I am frozen already and bus has no heat I am not taking off my warm clothes.

This law should fail.

If you take an oath or need to confirm who you are by facial recognition I see no issue with having to take it off.

But a bus ride. Silly.

You are moving to Quebec?
When's the last time you took a bus?

I have zero issue with someone having to show their face on public transit.

[Fisherpeak]

You can`t wear a hoody on the job site here even if the wind is howling and it`s -25. They say it restricts your vision. Then the safety dick gets back in his warm rig and watches to make sure you suffer.

[riden]

This law is destined to lose a Charter Challenge in a slam dunk manner too.

Why do governments pass laws they know will lose a very expensive Charter Challenge What a complete waste of tax dollars.

[Newview01]

You are moving to Quebec?
When's the last time you took a bus?

I have zero issue with someone having to show their face on public transit.

X2

Use the public system, follow their rules.

[riden]

X2

Use the system, follow their rules.

Just to point out. It's a public system, that means it's as much yours as theirs.

[silverdoctor]

This law is destined to lose a Charter Challenge in a slam dunk manner too.

Why do governments pass laws they know will lose a very expensive Charter Challenge What a complete waste of tax dollars.

Canada's Charter of rights and freedoms is part of the Constitution Act of 1982 - which Quebec never signed. They have their own Charter of Rights.

http://legisquebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/showdoc/cs/C-12

[bobtodrick]

Just to point out. It's a public system, that means it's as much yours as theirs.

Really...so if you want to take a leak in the corner you think that is going to fly?
Just as with hospitals or any other 'public' space rules can be set and implemented.

[gmcmax05]

Just to point out. It's a public system, that means it's as much yours as theirs.

LOL, your tax $$, their rules.

[Bigwoodsman]

X2

Use the system, follow their rules.

This or take shanks mare. The world as we knew it has changed, and not for the better. This is the new reality that we all are going to face. Get used to it!

BW

[riden]

Canada's Charter of rights and freedoms is part of the Constitution Act of 1982 - which Quebec never signed. They have their own Charter of Rights.

http://legisquebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/showdoc/cs/C-12

Quebec has lost its fair share of Charter Challenges. Canada's Charter still applies

[silverdoctor]

Quebec has lost its fair share of Charter Challenges. Canada's Charter still applies

Such as? Give us a list please.

[riden]

Such as? Give us a list please.

Bill 101. They invoked the notwithstanding clause after losing

[The Spank]

You can`t wear a hoody on the job site here even if the wind is howling and it`s -25. They say it restricts your vision. Then the safety dick gets back in his warm rig and watches to make sure you suffer.

You can wear an FR hardhat liner or FR balaclava. Works well for this safety dick.

[Sundancefisher]

You are moving to Quebec?
When's the last time you took a bus?

I have zero issue with someone having to show their face on public transit.

Everyday. I am a transit commuting dude. :sHa_shakeshout:

Hate commuter traffic

Also know some buses and trains some days have no heat. Coming from standing out in minus 35 than getting on a bus that is minus 25.

I am not taking my balaclava off. Never asked to. Never will. They can call the cops and watch their stupidity on the news.

[bobinthesky]

This law is destined to lose a Charter Challenge in a slam dunk manner too.

Why do governments pass laws they know will lose a very expensive Charter Challenge What a complete waste of tax dollars.

Well duh... why do you think they need more of our tax dollars? Gotta keep the lawyers employed you know.

[silverdoctor]

Bill 101. They invoked the notwithstanding clause after losing

Can you elaborate a bit more? If you're talking about Bill 101, and charter challenge from businesses on signage - specifically what did that have to do with Canada?

[riden]

Can you elaborate a bit more? If you're talking about Bill 101, and charter challenge from businesses on signage - specifically what did that have to do with Canada?

It's the French Language Charter and goes beyond signage laws to include education of new Quebec residents as well.

From Wiki
1984 the Supreme Court ruled it was a violation of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms to force children instructed in English elsewhere in Canada to be forced into French schools in Quebec. The court also ruled that same year Bill 101’s rejection of English storefront signage was a violation of freedom of speech.


Quebec has a provincial charter of rights, but that means all laws must meet the provincial charter and the federal charter.

[silverdoctor]

It's the French Language Charter and goes beyond signage laws to include education of new Quebec residents as well.

From Wiki
1984 the Supreme Court ruled it was a violation of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms to force children instructed in English elsewhere in Canada to be forced into French schools in Quebec. The court also ruled that same year Bill 101’s rejection of English storefront signage was a violation of freedom of speech.


Quebec has a provincial charter of rights, but that means all laws must meet the provincial charter and the federal charter.

My friend, I think you're confusing things a little bit.

If I had children, and we're all english speaking - I decide to move to Quebec. I do not lose the so called rights and freedoms offered under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms simply because I moved to Quebec. Bill 101 was designed to take away those Canadian rights - and make anglophones second class citizens.

Anyone that's born and raised in Quebec will likely be francophone anyway - with the choice to take on English or any other language as a second language. This has nothing to do with Quebec's charter of rights. I cannot lose my rights because i move to another province. If a francophone born and raised in Quebec moved to Alberta, and the province decided to force the children into a english speaking school - do you think Quebec's charter would triumph?

[purgatory.sv]

I do not understand.

I wear both the balaclava and a scafe.

But when i enter the shelter of transport ,and wind is not present i remove the layers .
:)

[riden]

My friend, I think you're confusing things a little bit.

If I had children, and we're all english speaking - I decide to move to Quebec. I do not lose the so called rights and freedoms offered under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms simply because I moved to Quebec. Bill 101 was designed to take away those Canadian rights - and make anglophones second class citizens.

Anyone that's born and raised in Quebec will likely be francophone anyway - with the choice to take on English or any other language as a second language. This has nothing to do with Quebec's charter of rights. I cannot lose my rights because i move to another province. If a francophone born and raised in Quebec moved to Alberta, and the province decided to force the children into a english speaking school - do you think Quebec's charter would triumph?

I have no idea what your point is.

You asked for a list of Federal Charter challenges Quebec was in, I gave you the most famous one.

[silverdoctor]

I have no idea what your point is.

You asked for a list of Federal Charter challenges Quebec was in, I gave you the most famous one.

Gimme the rest of the list... I love reading this stuff.

[riden]

Gimme the rest of the list... I love reading this stuff.

Pass. Google is your friend. Not hard to find them.

[CNP]

I do not understand.

I wear both the balaclava and a scafe.

But when i enter the shelter of transport ,and wind is not present i remove the layers .
:)

Winner for first sensible response to OP.

[elkhunter11]

I stood outside in -30 with a 30mph wind waiting for buses while going to school, and to work, so I know what it feels like, and I have no issue at all with this.

[HighlandHeart]

If people on the bus in Yellowknife can ride without having to wear a facemask on the bus at -45 I think people in Quebec will live if they have to take it off on a bus at -25.

[play.soccer]

You can wear an FR hardhat liner or FR balaclava. Works well for this safety dick.

Neither of those fully stop the wind from going down your neck. Hoodies work better. Lemme guess you like fecto goggles too? :fighting0030:

[bubba 96]

neither of those fully stop the wind from going down your neck. Hoodies work better. Lemme guess you like fecto goggles too? :fighting0030:

fr dickie, balaclava over top, problem solved, not many job sites let you use hoodies, as the not only restrict view, also and catch and hang..

[Badgerbadger]

You are moving to Quebec?
When's the last time you took a bus?

I have zero issue with someone having to show their face on public transit.

How about guys with beards? People wearing makeup? These, too, interfere with facial recognition.

What next? Pants-too-baggy/skirt-too-short regulations?

It's a stupid law.

[agentsmith]

I'll just leave this here...
https://niqabsofducanada.tumblr.com/

https://78.media.tumblr.com/7bf63aae5c848cba20d2aebb1c6a0d52/tumblr_nvtx04XarY1uivhyxo1_1280.jpg

[Looper]

How about guys with beards? People wearing makeup? These, too, interfere with facial recognition.

What next? Pants-too-baggy/skirt-too-short regulations?

It's a stupid law.

Neither of those cover your face completely.

You actually needed that pointed out?


Looper

[58thecat]

Quebec is turning into nazi Germany...no soup for you...wonder why the Montreal Canadians suck....subjected to this province I would relocate like the expos did....

[The Spank]

Neither of those fully stop the wind from going down your neck. Hoodies work better. Lemme guess you like fecto goggles too? :fighting0030:

Actually I do not and do not think they should be used!!!

[CaberTosser]

How about when you're in line at the bank or grocery store and some 'look at me!' attention-seeking goofball (or felon who's about to rob the place) saunters in and waits in line with their motorcycle helmet still on? I've seen that repeatedly and every time I was lined up to tackle the dude, though for each of those times it turned out to just be dweebs with no social graces/ common sense rather than robbers.

I have zero problem with requiring people to show their faces.

Ever take notice of people who have their hoodies up even in warm/hot weather? Those people tend to do that so that security cameras can't catch their faces for the illegal stuff they're about to do/ are prone to doing. If it's uncomfortably warm yet they still have that hood up, there's got to be a reason. Either they're slaves to really bad trends or they're up to no good.

And then the religious thing? Oh Puh-lease, at what point do people figure that religious 'freedom' is more important than the subjugation of women? What women, given the choice would voluntarily wear such an item? A hijab is fine because the face is fully exposed (it's just a scarf after all) but a full face mask screams inequality and oppression in my opinion.

[sns2]

World is changing. Does the gov't responsibility to provide public safety trump freedom of religious expression? Interesting. I'm ok with it. In this day and age it kind of makes sense. My guess is it is about being able to identify people on cctv.

[Okotokian]

Mixed feelings on this. I think public servants should show their face. Not good with a female cop or teacher or nurse just showing her eyes through her niquab. This is about normal human contact and interaction in our society. It's also about the message sent about women's rights in this country. What message does a young student get about being a woman from her teacher in head-to-toe covering, including her face? That you should hide yourself? This is a medieval belief system.

On the other hand, I absolutely do not think that a tax-paying Canadian citizen, regardless of their dress or beliefs should not be able to get the public services they paid for and are entitled to. HAVE to be able to ride the bus, go to the hospital, etc.

Overall, I can't see this legislation standing.

[stuckincity]

.....skirt-too-short.....

No such thing. :rolleyes:

[CaberTosser]

I've noted this story on here before but it warrants a repeat. I was at a 24 floor condo tower trying to find a substantial leak that was affecting suites below and I had to run quite a number of floors before narrowing the source down to two floors. The occupants of the two possible source suites were not home (or so we thought despite frequent and assertive knocking and verbal requests) so building management arranged a locksmith to come out. The locksmith, myself & one of the building complex's security guards were all together for making entry. Upon making entry to one suite it was aparrent the that people actually were there as there was shuffling and noise when we opened the door, and the three women there had to 'burkha' up at our arrival. They were alarmed as none of their men were around and here the three of us were. The place was extremely sparsely furnished and so far as I could tell no men lived there (no men's shoes by the door, etc); so far as I could tell it was a middle eastern trick pad or similar. Those women were not free, I doubt they were even allowed to leave without being escorted by a male. Having worked at that complex very regularly for 3 years at all times of day and night I never once saw them save for the time we were in their suite. That's not normal, nor is it what Canada is about.

[CMichaud]

The CBC is beside itself.

The Liberal Government has been keeping their hands out of it thus far.

If Harper had remained silent it would have been front page Conservative bashing non-stop.

[260 Rem]

If the bill is about the display of religious symbols and applies to all ...including the garb of some orders of nuns, priestly collors, cross-type necklaces, “Hutterite” / Amish / .... garb ... then I could get behind desecularizing public services. But, given that the Quebec bill “seems” to target one faith, it seems wrong and will likely be rightfully tossed by the courts.
Circumstance (time and place) should be the overriding principle for imposing a face recognition requirement.

[dmcbride]

The CBC is beside itself.

The Liberal Government has been keeping their hands out of it thus far.

If Harper had remained silent it would have been front page Conservative bashing non-stop.

If a conservative province introduced this law the PM would be all over this just like the election issue of citizenship swearing in and face coverings.

The Liberals divisive politics are coming back to bite them.:)

[The Cook]

Selfie the clown will keep his mouth shut and watch the new ndp leader hang himself in the land of quebexico. Selfie needs the votes from his home province.