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HVA7mm
01-10-2018, 08:42 PM
From the Wall Street Journal:

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said Wednesday his administration had filed a lawsuit against five major oil companies and was pushing New York City pension funds to divest from fossil fuel, both part of an effort to fight climate change.

“This is a tragedy that was wrought by the fossil-fuel companies,” Mr. de Blasio, a Democrat, said at a news conference. “We are going after those who have profited. And what a horrible, disgusting way to profit.”

The pension fund divestment requires approval from the trustees of the city’s five major pension funds. Some funds may choose to implement the proposal while others may not. City officials plan to present a proposal to the funds on Thursday.

The lawsuit, filed late Tuesday, asks for billions of dollars to protect the city from climate change. San Francisco and Oakland filed similar suits in September against the same five companies.

“In this litigation, the City seeks to shift the costs of protecting the City from climate change impacts back onto the companies that have done nearly all they could to create this existential threat,” said the complaint, which was filed in U.S. District Court in Manhattan.

The complaint said that “the very climate disruption and injuries that Defendants’ scientists and consultants warned them about decades ago have now arrived.”

The city filed the suit against oil companies BP PLC, Chevron Corp. , ConocoPhillips , Exxon Mobil Corp. and Royal Dutch Shell PLC.

A Shell spokesman said the company believes “climate change is a complex societal challenge that should be addressed through sound government policy and cultural change to drive low-carbon choices for businesses and consumers, not by the courts.”

A Chevron spokesman called the lawsuit “factually and legally meritless.” An Exxon Mobil spokesman said the company “welcomes any well-meaning and good faith attempt to address the risks of climate change,” but that lawsuits such as this one do not.

A ConocoPhillips spokesman said the company doesn’t comment on pending litigation. BP declined to comment.


A city has never successfully sued a fossil-fuel company for damages for climate change, said Michael Burger, executive director of Columbia Law School’s Sabin Center for Climate Change Law. Still, under state law, courts haven’t yet prohibited such a suit, he said.

Even if cities aren’t successful in court, such suits could have other impacts. “It’s possible that these lawsuits will apply enough pressure to move industry off of its resistance to take significant measures to address climate change,” Mr. Burger said.

The measures proposed Wednesday come as Mr. de Blasio works to grow his national profile as a liberal Democrat. Last month, the mayor traveled to Iowa to deliver the keynote address at the holiday party of a liberal group, sparking speculation that he may be considering a bid for president in 2020. Mr. de Blasio has repeatedly said he isn’t running for president.

colroggal
01-10-2018, 08:49 PM
Those evil oil companies should apologize and stop shipping natural gas to the city right now

catnthehat
01-10-2018, 08:53 PM
Seriously??!!:budo:
Jeepers some people will try and sue anybody for anything!:thinking-006:
Cat

fordtruckin
01-10-2018, 08:57 PM
everyone is out for a free lunch it doesn't matter how...

lmtada
01-10-2018, 09:00 PM
Chicago will likely go all in on this also. Chicago has its own issues.

http://hey*******.com/

HVA7mm
01-10-2018, 09:16 PM
I never realized what a flake de Blasio was until I read up on him. Now he's looking to grow his national profile. What a better way to do it than riding the climate change bandwagon, with the likes of climate change warrior Leonardo DiCaprio Tweeting his approval.

densa44
01-10-2018, 09:25 PM
Most judges in the US are elected and a case like this could have legs. For example if there were damage, that it was claimed was caused by global warming. The jury may see it as follows; who should pay; the taxpayers (us) or the oil companies (them).

Lets keep an eye on this.

dgl1948
01-10-2018, 09:27 PM
Easy to fix. All oil companies should stop selling fuel in those cities. I wonder how long it would take before they were invited back.

Trochu
01-10-2018, 10:13 PM
“We are going after those who have profited. And what a horrible, disgusting way to profit.”

I can think of a few ways that are worse. Suing a company that is operating within the legal restraint of its jurisdiction from whom likely every single person involved in the lawsuit has benefited comes to mind.

I'd love to see the result of all five companies flicking the switch tonight which results in no more of their product being provided within city limits.

glen moa
01-10-2018, 11:33 PM
They can’t prove burning oil changes the climate.
Maybe they can sue them for not burning oil and causing the last ice age.

trackrig
01-10-2018, 11:57 PM
It's nothing but a con to grab some more money for social programs. If he was really against oil, he could shut down the taxi cabs and garbage trucks tomorrow. See how long that ban lasts.

Stupid liberals - am I allowed to say that on this forum?

Bill

Newview01
01-11-2018, 07:32 AM
Most judges in the US are elected and a case like this could have legs. For example if there were damage, that it was claimed was caused by global warming. The jury may see it as follows; who should pay; the taxpayers (us) or the oil companies (them).

Lets keep an eye on this.

Yes, this is definitely something to keep an eye on. Should this get traction, the repercussions could be serious for climate "deniers".

Big Grey Wolf
01-11-2018, 09:36 AM
Seems everyone wants to "Freeze in the dark" these days. NYC should thank there lucky stars they have natural gas and oil to burn in these very cold days!

JonBoy
01-11-2018, 10:10 AM
Victoria "asked" this a while ago...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/victoria-asks-fossil-fuel-companies-to-pay-for-climate-change-costs-1.4353522

HVA7mm
01-11-2018, 10:11 AM
Seems everyone wants to "Freeze in the dark" these days. NYC should thank there lucky stars they have natural gas and oil to burn in these very cold days!


I know, it is ridiculous. Some of the power generation in New York state is still petroleum/oil based, and "gasp" coal. Half of the power generation is via natural gas or natural gas/fuel oil, probably close to a third nuclear, and the rest mostly hydroelectric with a tiny fraction wind/solar. Those big oil companies are sure a detriment to NYC.

elk396
01-11-2018, 10:28 AM
How can you sue company's in one country when the atmosphere is affected by emitters from around the world, how could that stick? The good old USA has really made the world a great place by giving lawyers ground to stand on in these cases. It's really crazy stuff. Suing someone was virtually unheard of 25 years ago, now look at North America, and some of these absurd suits actually win! Nothing shocks me anymore with lawsuits.

Bushrat
01-11-2018, 10:32 AM
Victoria "asked" this a while ago...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/victoria-asks-fossil-fuel-companies-to-pay-for-climate-change-costs-1.4353522

Meanwhile Victoria still dumps it raw sewage right into the straight of Juan de Fuca. The whales should launch a class action suit against the city of Victoria.

Little red riding hood
01-11-2018, 11:06 AM
Typical liberal philosophy, blame someone else! Don't ever take responsibility for your own actions, and don't ever work for your bread if there's a possibility of forcing someone else to do it for you!

SlimChance
01-11-2018, 12:26 PM
Since emissions from transportation are equivalent, or slightly higher than emissions from oil and gas production would equivalent blame not lie on the drivers of New York?

It's reasonably difficult for an average citizen to find alternatives for heat and electricity at home (and probably harder still in a dense urban area). But other transportation options exist and are almost as easy as driving in major cities.

dgl1948
01-11-2018, 06:19 PM
Victoria "asked" this a while ago...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/victoria-asks-fossil-fuel-companies-to-pay-for-climate-change-costs-1.4353522

And BC ships 6,000,000 ton of coal each year to China. They have no issues with that?????

propliner
01-11-2018, 07:00 PM
So when does this world reach "peak crazy" and start heading back towards normal? Or is this stupidity terminal?

ReconWilly
01-11-2018, 07:22 PM
Climate change and capitalism.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xS1tlHkfE4U

Environmental related despair.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=epKaBv6ALcI

lmtada
01-11-2018, 07:45 PM
So when does this world reach "peak crazy" and start heading back towards normal? Or is this stupidity terminal?

2032.9. December 2032. Peak Crazy. Then all downhill. Enjoy the 14.9 year ride.

Newview01
01-11-2018, 07:55 PM
2032.9. December 2032. Peak Crazy. Then all downhill. Enjoy the 14.9 year ride.

Thats oddly specific. Any reason?

Buckhead
01-12-2018, 01:58 AM
Thats oddly specific. Any reason?

Solar cycles and the mini-ice age prediction would be my guess.:confused0024:

6.5 shooter
01-12-2018, 10:16 AM
It's nothing but a con to grab some more money for social programs. If he was really against oil, he could shut down the taxi cabs and garbage trucks tomorrow. See how long that ban lasts.

Stupid liberals - am I allowed to say that on this forum?

Bill

Be very careful a lot of Liberal mods who take great pleasure in shutting down threads to which they disagree...... opps did I just say that out loud :thinking-006:

Newview01
01-14-2018, 12:05 PM
Think of th the children.

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/the-childrens-climate-lawsuit-against-the-children/

Litigation may be as American as apple pie, but some lawsuits are so destructive that they stand out even among the hugely expensive wreckage wrought by our legal system. The most prominent current example is the "children's" climate lawsuit (Juliana v U.S.): A group of kids, including "future generations, through their guardian Dr. James Hansen," claim that the government's actions and failures to act have caused climate change, thus violating the youngest generation's constitutional rights to life, liberty and property, and have failed to protect essential public trust resources.