Nenshi cancels nude swim

[Sundancefisher]

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Fnews%2Fcanada% 2Fcalgary%2Fnude-swimming-threats-cancellation-calgary-1.4485181#pt0-867199

Not my cup of tea however nudists have been around for ever and body gawking is not everywhere.

Beaches in France for instance.

So what does it take to cancel freedom? Apparently threaten bombing and windshield breaking.

Nenshi said the city can’t protect participants.

How about a squad car with a cop in it? Rather than cower in the face of threats to freedom let’s look at home to the city running scared.

[Selkirk]

This sounds like an interesting story, but the link doesn't work for me :(


Selkirk

[Selkirk]

This sounds like an interesting story, but the link doesn't work for me :(


Selkirk

I found one that does work; http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/this-is-really-about-mob-rule-nenshi-wades-into-cancelled-naked-swim-debate

Apparently, Nenshi didn't do the canceling ... the city admin did.


Selkirk

[Scott h]

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Fnews%2Fcanada% 2Fcalgary%2Fnude-swimming-threats-cancellation-calgary-1.4485181#pt0-867199

Not my cup of tea however nudists have been around for ever and body gawking is not everywhere.

Beaches in France for instance.

So what does it take to cancel freedom? Apparently threaten bombing and windshield breaking.

Nenshi said the city can’t protect participants.

How about a squad car with a cop in it? Rather than cower in the face of threats to freedom let’s look at home to the city running scared.

Funny how some people get all wound up over something so trivial that has nothing to do with them. If you don't like it, don't go.

[1stLand]

I wouldn't have a problem with this if it were restricted to adults.

Do children frolick around nude beaches in europe?
Are kids allowed in strip clubs or R rated movies? Theres a reason kids aren't supposed to be exposed to adult nudity.

Furthermore, an event like this could potentially attract perverts who want to see kids naked.

[Newview01]

The fact that it is a family friendly event is good reason for it to be cancelled. The pervert to child ratio would be greater than we should be comfortable with.

[1stLand]

The fact that it is a family friendly event is good reason for it to be cancelled. The pervert to child ratio would be greater than we should be comfortable with.

nm

[Trochu]

I wouldn't have a problem with this if it were restricted to adults.

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[Hillbilly 12]

There must be a race or a contest who can think of the stupidest things to come up with. What is happening to our society. No morals or nothing no more. This world is turning into a ball of filth and wrong.

[Weedy1]

Didn't man start out as a naked being? Are people not born naked? This is nothing new, look into it. Seems to be no problem in Edmonton.

For reference: http://cottontailcorner.ca/

Been going on in Edmonton pools for some time. Yes, I agree children should not be part of it as they are not of age to decide for themselves mind you there are places in this world that nudity is normal and the thought of a discussion such as this wouldn't even be considered.

[KGB]

The fact that it is a family friendly event is good reason for it to be cancelled. The pervert to child ratio would be greater than we should be comfortable with.

Bullsheeet! It is a private club event and no outsiders are allowed. You have to be a club memeber to get in. These clubs are everywhere and very popular. Usually families with small kids, teenagers dont come.

[Weedy1]

What I don't understand is how there can be a nudist camp on the banks of the NS River with pictures of the members wading naked in a public place but if a person were to expose themselves in such a manner in downtown Edmonton or Calgary they would be arrested immediately. How does that work?


from the Criminal Code http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-174.html
Nudity
174 (1) Every one who, without lawful excuse,

(a) is nude in a public place, or

(b) is nude and exposed to public view while on private property, whether or not the property is his own,

is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

[Newview01]

Bullsheeet! It is a private club event and no outsiders are allowed. You have to be a club memeber to get in. These clubs are everywhere and very popular. Usually families with small kids, teenagers dont come.

So there is a guarantee that no pervs would be there?

Get your head out of the sand.

[Weedy1]

So there is a guarantee that no pervs would be there?

Get your head out of the sand.

Is there a guarantee the person who takes care of your child at daycare isn't a perv? Declared guilty before the trial began? Tough call.

[elk396]

I would pay good money to see Nenshi in the buff at that event, chubby little feller...

[Newview01]

Is there a guarantee the person who takes care of your child at daycare isn't a perv? Declared guilty before the trial began? Tough call.

I despise daycare.

But to compare daycare to a nude swim? Really? :sign0161:

[cowmanbob]

I would pay good money to see Nenshi in the buff at that event, chubby little feller...

That image could haunt you for years.

[Imagehunter]

Do children frolick around nude beaches in europe?


For decades and nobody cares.

[grouse_hunter]

Nudity isn't sexual in itself, it is but a natural state of being. I think too many here are picturing an orgy when a nude swimming event is mentioned. Personally I'm not a nudist but I do think that it's wrong to deny a private club the right to engage in a legal activity. At least the Purple Prince is on board...

[Weedy1]

I despise daycare.

But to compare daycare to a nude swim? Really? :sign0161:

What makes you think there would be any more child pervs at a nudist swim than a daycare, soccer game, child's playground, public swimming pools or anywhere else there would be children present? I would think the likelihood of a perv child being at nudist beach would be quite low considering most people don't take their children to such places. Child pervs go where there are children present, not fat old guys.

[hayseed]

I would pay good money to see Nenshi in the buff at that event, chubby little feller...

Ummmmm...... well.... it's your money...:scared0018:

[Newview01]

What makes you think there would be any more child pervs at a nudist swim than a daycare, soccer game, child's playground, public swimming pools or anywhere else there would be children present? I would think the likelihood of a perv child being at nudist beach would be quite low considering most people don't take their children to such places. Child pervs go where there are children present, not fat old guys.

So there would have been no children there?

[ESOXangler]

There must be a race or a contest who can think of the stupidest things to come up with. What is happening to our society. No morals or nothing no more. This world is turning into a ball of filth and wrong.

Nudity has been around since, well the beginning!

[expedition]

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[Weedy1]

So there would have been no children there?

What's your point, spell it out.

[wildbill]

I would pay good money to see Nenshi in the buff at that event, chubby little feller...

I’d pay good money to NOT see nenshi in the buff, thanks, I think I’m gonna go puke now.

[mediumrare]

Deeze nuts!

[Rockman]

It doesn't work to take our non-nudist mindset and declare that it's inappropriate for kids (because we can't disassociate nudism with sexuality). Nudism/naturism is completely non-sexual and therefore entirely appropriate for kids. There's nothing sensual about it and kids brought up in that atmosphere find it a non-event.

I'd venture to say that we might have more pervs in our clothed and private environments than in those, just from the viewpoint that when things are transparent and in the open it's hard to hide your evil deeds or thoughts.

JMO. I like to keep an open and tolerant mind to these things. It's not my cup of tea but so are many other things that me and the gov should keep our nose out of.

[Weedy1]

It doesn't work to take our non-nudist mindset and declare that it's inappropriate for kids (because we can't disassociate nudism with sexuality). Nudism/naturism is completely non-sexual and therefore entirely appropriate for kids. There's nothing sensual about it and kids brought up in that atmosphere find it a non-event.

I'd venture to say that we might have more pervs in our clothed and private environments than in those, just from the viewpoint that when things are transparent and in the open it's hard to hide your evil deeds or thoughts.

JMO. I like to keep an open and tolerant mind to these things. It's not my cup of tea but so are many other things that me and the gov should keep our nose out of.

I hate it when people think for others! :) (Good job.)

[Ranets]

Hmm I guess that being a private club means that none of the members could be pedophiles. :snapoutofit: Newsflash there are pedophiles and perverts in all demographics and all varying levels of social status and not necessarily the creepy old man living by himself, to believe otherwise is utilizing the same mentality of sticking your head in the sand as those who believe that gun registration will stop crime. If a bunch of adults want to get together and frolic naked that is their choice but lets leave the kids out of it until they are old enough to make their own rational decision about the topic.

[Imagehunter]

Child pervs go where there are children present, not fat old guys.

Elementary schools for example
http://calgaryherald.com/news/provincial/rural-elementary-school-teacher-charged-with-child-pornography/wcm/b0631d3d-cbd9-4b79-9c6b-99ce847089fa

[Newview01]

Hmm I guess that being a private club means that none of the members could be pedophiles. :snapoutofit: Newsflash there are pedophiles and perverts in all demographics and all varying levels of social status and not necessarily the creepy old man living by himself, to believe otherwise is utilizing the same mentality of sticking your head in the sand as those who believe that gun registration will stop crime. If a bunch of adults want to get together and frolic naked that is their choice but lets leave the kids out of it until they are old enough to make their own rational decision about the topic.

This kind of common sense is far too rare.

[Weedy1]

Elementary schools for example
http://calgaryherald.com/news/provincial/rural-elementary-school-teacher-charged-with-child-pornography/wcm/b0631d3d-cbd9-4b79-9c6b-99ce847089fa

I guess it's time to shut down the school system. Good thing we have the internet now where children can stay home and be internet homeschooled all while being preyed upon by internet pervs.

[Hillbilly 12]

Nudity has been around since, well the beginning!

I'm well aware of that. Thank you

[Scott h]

I wouldn't have a problem with this if it were restricted to adults.

Do children frolick around nude beaches in europe?
Are kids allowed in strip clubs or R rated movies? Theres a reason kids aren't supposed to be exposed to adult nudity.

Furthermore, an event like this could potentially attract perverts who want to see kids naked.

Yes children are all around nude people in Europe.

[srs123]

Not my cup of tea and i wouldnt participate but i dont think it should have been cancelled. No kne has the right to tell other people what to do and how to raise their children. They are consenting adults so who cares

[Bellero]

Big scoop here, the city of Edmonton allow nudists clubs to use their facilities for various private functions just like they do for any other clubs. This has been going on for at least 30 years. I guess Edmonton is a lair of pedofiles and perverts. Sheesh, smh!!

[YYC338]

What makes you think there would be any more child pervs at a nudist swim than a daycare, soccer game, child's playground, public swimming pools or anywhere else there would be children present? I would think the likelihood of a perv child being at nudist beach would be quite low considering most people don't take their children to such places. Child pervs go where there are children present, not fat old guys.

Well, at least they shouldn't have any problem figuring out who's getting too excited if they're all naked. No trench coats here. :confused0068:

[bobtodrick]

This kind of common sense is far too rare.

God, do ever do any research before you spout off?
Families and married couples are welcome at these clubs. Most do not accept single males.
They do background checks on all prospective members.
Get a life.

[Newview01]

God, do ever do any research before you spout off?
Families and married couples are welcome at these clubs. Most do not accept single males.
They do background checks on all prospective members.
Get a life.

:rolleye2:

[bobtodrick]

Do those of you who are so worried about the chance of pedophile realize how much you sound like the people who say ‘no one should own a gun because they might be a murderer’?

[ReconWilly]

God, do ever do any research before you spout off?
Families and married couples are welcome at these clubs. Most do not accept single males.
They do background checks on all prospective members.
Get a life.

What are you saying is wrong with single males?, why did you automatically go there?
What about pervert father's? , you have no concern about them?, mother's? , aunt's, sister's? Your tunnel vision is showing...kids get abused by all types of monsters belonging to BOTH sexes.

Are the single men more likely to be pedophiles?

I have no opinion on nude people doing their thing, i don't care.period.

[Weedy1]

God, do ever do any research before you spout off?
Families and married couples are welcome at these clubs. Most do not accept single males.
They do background checks on all prospective members.
Get a life.

What are you saying is wrong with single males?, why did you automatically go there?
What about pervert father's? , you have no concern about them?, mother's? , aunt's, sister's? Your tunnel vision is showing...kids get abused by all types of monsters belonging to BOTH sexes.

Are the single men more likely to be pedophiles?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBdnyrzq96s

Careful, as far as I can gather bobtodrick was stating what he thought was a standard not his own opinion. Maybe he can provide more insight into what he was talking abiut....

[ReconWilly]

Careful, as far as I can gather bobtodrick was stating what he thought was a standard not his own opinion. Maybe he can provide more insight into what he was talking abiut....

Careful?

I see what you are saying, but my point remains, maybe the policy makers are ignorant to the fact that most child abuse happens from someone close to the child...not some creepy single guy from down the block.

Off topic, but i thought the point needed to be made, moving on.

[dawei88]

Did they force other people to nude?
I think they have freedom to do that. And if they have age restrictions, it will be better.
BTW, I am not naturism.

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[Weedy1]

Careful?

I see what you are saying, but my point remains, maybe the policy makers are ignorant to the fact that most child abuse happens from someone close to the child...not some creepy single guy from down the block.

Off topic, but i thought the point needed to be made, moving on.

Fair enough

[Trochu]

Do those of you who are so worried about the chance of pedophile realize how much you sound like the people who say ‘no one should own a gun because they might be a murderer’?

If the two are so similar, maybe we should remove age restrictions for gun licenses. :thinking-006:

[Spooner]

My goodness there are some sad up tight folks here. Let your guard down once in a while. It'll prevent your next heart attack.

The only issue here are conservatives threatening innocent members of the public and the city in order to terrorize them for something that is harmless. Age old narrative.

The event would have run if they had time to prepare a security response is my understanding.

[Bub]

What are you saying is wrong with single males?
I don't really know why they have this rule (according to bob), but I would guess a single male harassing a bunch of naked women is more than likely the reason. You don't have to ask why I would say it about single guys and what about women, etc. I am pretty sure I am not way off on this one. I very very much doubt it has anything to with pedophiles.

On a side note, doctors can't give a blood transfusion to a child whose life depends on it if the parents say no, but one can't let his/her child run around naked among other naked people, adults and children alike. Lol.

Also, in this society people look at a guy wearing a Speedo like he is a freaking weirdo, what do you expect they will say about the total nudity?

Just like with hunting, people who are not into it should mind their own business and let others live and do their legal thing, without telling them if and how they should do it. Quite a bit of judgement from people who constantly complain about being judged by others.

P.S. Yes, in Europe and elsewhere, they have nude beaches for everyone, as well adults only. Some (maybe most, I don't know) even have a rule that nudity is not optional.

[ESOXangler]

I'm well aware of that. Thank you

Then don’t let the cold water scare you...

[GeoTrekr]

If the two are so similar, maybe we should remove age restrictions for gun licenses. :thinking-006:

Pretty sure a lot of licenced folks take their 4-5 year olds to the range under supervision.

Just like how parents can take their 4-5 year olds to a pool under supervision.

Not seeing a whole lot of difference. But then I also don't believe we should need a licence to own a piece of property. Do we have a minimum age for Skil saw licencing? Why not?

I've been watching everyone have a helmet fire over the nude swim all week, and there are all kinds of parallels to the gun control debate in this country. Bottom line is the nutbars eventually ruined it for everyone, and the nudists aren't the nutbars.

I wish them luck with their Court actions (but they likely won't need it as successes have already been had in the BC Courts).

[Rig-Rat]

I think people need to mind their own business. It was a Private function after hours, that only club members were to attend. Isolated from the public, so what's the harm? You don't agree then don't join their club and don't attend. As far as the kids, well who know's if there will be a pedophile there or not. Either way if the family down the street feels that's what they want to do, than so be it. Who is anyone else to tell them they are wrong and need to police what they do? People need to mind their own business.....

[KGB]

Please don’t get exited and don’t mix the naked swim club party with the swingers club party! Those are totally different things, LOL! And by the way there is apparently a swingers clubs in both Edmonton and Calgary! I just googled it for ****s and giggles!

[HunterDave]

I lived in Germany for 5 years where topless and nudity was commonplace on the beaches. Usually one area of the beach was unofficially designated the totally nude area where everywhere else was topless or not, depending on personal preference. I find it interesting that people equate nudity to people being sexual degenerates, particularly when it comes to kids. I never saw or even heard about any sexual behaviour in public, just families shedding their laundry and enjoying the day.

All this sounds strange to many Canadians, even dirty, because it’s not big in our culture. I’m pretty sure that many Canadians would freak right out if they even saw topless on a beach let alone total nudity.....lol. Believe me, after awhile you wouldn’t even bat an eye if that sort of thing became big in Canada.

Not my cup of tea but to each their own, in privacy. Don’t like it, don’t look. :)

[MyAlberta]

I’ve got to support Nenshi’s comments on this one. Perversion isn’t being naked, it’s threatening violence, vandalism, and false accusations. The gays that leave their lifestyle trash laying around North Glenmore park is a different story.

[Spooner]

I’ve got to support Nenshi’s comments on this one. Perversion isn’t being naked, it’s threatening violence, vandalism, and false accusations. The gays that leave their lifestyle trash laying around North Glenmore park is a different story.

Totally. Can't stand people that dont pick up their shells.

Makes the respectable members of their community look like pigs to outsiders.

[Gerald_G]

The scariest part of this story has nothing to do with the type of event itself as far as I am concerned. The interesting part, is all a group of citizens have to do now is threaten to show up with baseball bats, and the city will cancel the event.

Next time there is a gun show (for a theoretical example) and a bunch of Calgarians sign a petition, and then threaten violence.... The city can't guarantee the safety of the attendees, so boom, it's shut down.

I don't understand why the police are not investigating the threats to see if charges are in order. (same as most of us would want threats made about a gun show investigated)

[Hillbilly 12]

Then don’t let the cold water scare you...

It's more a moral thing than a cold water thing for me...

[TylerThomson]

If a bunch of adults want to get together and frolic naked that is their choice but lets leave the kids out of it until they are old enough to make their own rational decision about the topic.

The same argument could be made about indoctrinating children into a religion before they are capable of weighing the facts for themselves.

[sewerrat]

People need to mind their own business, who cares what others do.

When it comes to pedophiles, they could be lurking in the pools and hot springs all the time specially in the change rooms where it is all wide open.

[Imagehunter]

I lived in Germany for 5 years where topless and nudity was commonplace on the beaches.

Not only beaches, maybe you remember the daily BILD newspaper, they had or still have a topless woman on the first page and it's at every newsstand.

Topless is also no issue in public outdoor pools or beaches, while full nudity is more common at lakes or the nude beaches. If you enter the full nude beach areas, which are just separated by signs from the 'regular' beach, you have to be nude, outside it's personal choice.
You simply get used to it and nobody cares, live and let live.
The only weird thing was sports at the nude beaches, once gravity kicks in it was sometimes hard to see people jumping and body parts flopping around like crazy lol

Makes it even more disturbing that people here go as far as making bomb threats against events like this, I hope those get investigated like any other bomb threat with consequences.

[Sundancefisher]

Funny how some people get all wound up over something so trivial that has nothing to do with them. If you don't like it, don't go.

Exactly. The city knew it was coming. Why it got so much airplay I guess is based upon the media desire for frenzy. Must of been a slow Trump week.

[Sundancefisher]

Yes children are all around nude people in Europe.

Agree.

You go to sicome and some parents let their kids run around with less than average clothing cover. People don't care or raise petitions.

In France you go to a beach and there are topless women everywhere. It really catches a guy from North Americas attention. Why? It is just different. Within a day you just stop noticing.

[Sundancefisher]

What I don't understand is how there can be a nudist camp on the banks of the NS River with pictures of the members wading naked in a public place but if a person were to expose themselves in such a manner in downtown Edmonton or Calgary they would be arrested immediately. How does that work?


from the Criminal Code http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-174.html
Nudity
174 (1) Every one who, without lawful excuse,

(a) is nude in a public place, or

(b) is nude and exposed to public view while on private property, whether or not the property is his own,

is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Actually women can now legally go topless in any public place just like a man.

Again. Who cares? People need to erase double standards from their mind.

I think this law is to cover off sexual acts seen in public whether you are on your front lawn or in a parked car at Denny's.

[Dubious]

There where threats of bombings at this event. We live in canada not the Middle East threats of beatings and bombings beacause some people dont agree with with the way others legally carry out there activities is unbelievable. People need to stop making other people’s busniess there own. The “What if” type arguments are just another knee jerk reaction and the same as nanny state laws some people really need to get out from under there intolerant logs where they live and think about something other than them selves.

[Scott h]

Totally. Can't stand people that dont pick up their shells.

Makes the respectable members of their community look like pigs to outsiders.

:)

[happy honker]

Why it got so much airplay I guess is based upon the media desire for frenzy.

Agree 100%
This has been going on for years and suddenly others have to go sticking their noses in.

Doesn't bother me at all.
I'm sure these groups can spot a perv a mile away and that it's
rarely an issue. That was the drum the nay-sayers were beating the loudest. "Think of the children!!".

If it aint your business...then it aint none of your business.

I kinda respect anyone in life who lets it all hang out!
For them, it's just more than a metaphor.:bad_boys_20:

[michaelmicallef]

I didn't pay much attention to the fact that a nudist club was having a legal event at a pool. But the fact that the city shut it down is scary in itself. What's next. No firearms in the city limits? No hunting because it's not socially acceptable. Not good. They could of objected to anyone under 18 being there but instead they shut it down. That's scary to me.

[Imagehunter]

If there are no repercussions for the bomb threat it would be really bad. Everybody going nuts over the cougar hunt, people might get ideas how to prevent hunting/fishing exhibitions because of animal rights or some crap.

[TylerThomson]

There where threats of bombings at this event. We live in canada not the Middle East threats of beatings and bombings beacause some people dont agree with with the way others legally carry out there activities is unbelievable. People need to stop making other people’s busniess there own. The “What if” type arguments are just another knee jerk reaction and the same as nanny state laws some people really need to get out from under there intolerant logs where they live and think about something other than them selves.

This exactly. I can't believe there are people on here worried about any event that harms no one, isn't being forced upon them, is legal, and is in no way any of their business. But they don't bat an eye that it was shut down because of threats of violence.

And then they have the gall to act morally superior to any one who would dare participate all while passively condoning the way the event was shut down.

I've seen closed minded before but this is ridiculous.

[covey ridge]

Nudity isn't sexual in itself, it is but a natural state of being. I think too many here are picturing an orgy when a nude swimming event is mentioned. Personally I'm not a nudist but I do think that it's wrong to deny a private club the right to engage in a legal activity. At least the Purple Prince is on board...

^^^^^Yep

[oilngas]

These and other aggressive threats are what worry me. Is Calgary at a place where if you don`t like something as innoxiously as a swim, you trot threats out and get your agenda in the forefront.

[huntinstuff]

There where threats of bombings at this event. We live in canada not the Middle East threats of beatings and bombings beacause some people dont agree with with the way others legally carry out there activities is unbelievable. People need to stop making other people’s busniess there own. The “What if” type arguments are just another knee jerk reaction and the same as nanny state laws some people really need to get out from under there intolerant logs where they live and think about something other than them selves.

Welcome! Common sense and all! :)

[densa44]

And then some.

Ordinarily I would have bet that a cancelled nude swim by a nudist club would not get 3 pages, but here we are.

Some of you fellows should get a wintertime hobby. Ice fishing, reloading, dog training, that sort of thing.