Canadian Detained in China Sentenced to Death

[jstubbs]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/schellenberg-death-sentence-china-1.4976959

A Chinese court on Monday sentenced a Canadian man to death for drug smuggling, a ruling sure to aggravate already sour relations between Beijing and Ottawa following the arrest of a senior Chinese executive in Canada.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau condemned the decision.

The Canadian in question (Robert Schellenberg) was allegedly caught attempting to smugggle 200+ KG of meth out of China and into Australia, so I don’t have a ton of sympathy for him.

One thing of question: 15 years is the mandatory minimum sentence for being caught with drugs totally over 100 grams. He was caught with 200 kg and received the minimum sentence. Schellenberg appealed that conviction himself—even with there being the precedent of China executing a UK citizen who tried smuggling 4 kg of heroin in China. Why?

[bat119]

The court said Schellenberg had conspired with others in an attempt to smuggle 222 kg (489.43 lb) of methamphetamine from China to Australia in late 2014.

Who knows how many deaths were prevented by stopping this load?
A death sentence is a little over the top and I'm sure 15 years in a Chinese prison would been enough to prevent re-offending.
China using him as a pawn to put pressure on Canada.

[HalfBreed]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Apparently an ex oil worker, wonder what he was doing while still in Canada?
I'm surprised he tried to flee to Thailand, as that nation is also acceptably stringent in their smuggling policies. Fortunately Australia didn't get hit with one shipment of that stuff. That's quite the amount to move.

[Ken07AOVette]

Good catch. Next!

It's all good, Trudeau can't buy votes saving him, he won't kill a bunch of people with that garbage, no trial we have to pay for.

[bobtodrick]

Here's a funny quote from one of the Chinese official on this matter “I would suggest the Canadian (Trudeau) study the Vienna Convention before making such a comment, so as not to be inaccurate and make oneself a laughing stock,”
Trudeau is doing his best to make us the laughing stock of the world it would seem.

[CaberTosser]

If he was really smuggling drugs then good riddance, we'd not want him back in 15 years anyways. It'll even lower China's carbon footprint if they don't have to feed him! A guy moving that quantity of drugs would be partly responsible for the thefts, assaults, rapes, etc, that are committed by the people on those drugs/ stealing to buy those drugs...

My only question is if we can outsource some of our current inmates to facilities in China for a modest fee?

What is sad about this diplomatic row is that the Huawei executive is only under house arrest so its not as though she's suffering. Lady has an ankle bracelet and some security overseeing her. I guess the main worry for them is if she gets sent to the US and convicted......

[Trochu]

I'd like to know exactly what is going on here. Seems suspicious that a Canadian drug runner, arrested in 2014, has been sentenced to death 4 years after his arrest but shortly after Canada arrested Meng Wanzhou. If he was actually a key player in attempting to move 220+ kg of meth, fire away. I'm a bit skeptical at this point given the circumstances though.

Not that I'd actually advocate for her death, but I'd be curious what would happen if Canada said they were going to execute Meng Wanzhou for spying, following the death of Schellenberg.

[elkhunter11]

He was sentence to 15 years, and he appealed the conviction, the Chinese didn't just arbitrarily change his sentence. The Chinese apparently don't like having their convictions questioned.

[landowner]

“Dadah is death” a true story about drug smugglers in Malaysia . Doesn’t end well for a couple of Australians .

[CBintheNorth]

He was sentence to 15 years, and he appealed the conviction, the Chinese didn't just arbitrarily change his sentence. The Chinese apparently don't like having their convictions questioned.

Wrong on both points according to this;

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/world/article-chinese-court-sentences-canadian-to-death-on-drug-charges/

"....on Dec. 29, he was ordered to face retrial, after prosecutors cited the emergence of new evidence, saying he was in fact involved in organized international drug trafficking, a crime whose maximum sentence is execution."

[elkhunter11]

Wrong on both points according to this;

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/world/article-chinese-court-sentences-canadian-to-death-on-drug-charges/

"....on Dec. 29, he was ordered to face retrial, after prosecutors cited the emergence of new evidence, saying he was in fact involved in organized international drug trafficking, a crime whose maximum sentence is execution."

And yet from the original CBC release.

The Dalian Intermediate People's Court in China's northeast province of Liaoning retried Robert Lloyd Schellenberg, who had appealed his original 15-year sentence. The court decided on execution, it said in a statement on its website.

So which is it, was he retried based on his appeal, or not? Two different sources, two different stories.

[Trochu]

And yet from the original CBC release.



So which is it, was he retried based on his appeal, or not? Two different sources, two different stories.

I'd trust the Globe & Mail over CBC every single time.

[Dean2]

Who cares what happens to a convicted, big league, drug smuggler. I have no issue with China putting this guy to death, politically motivated or not, he deserves what he gets. His crap could have killed or injured thousands of people and he knew the risks going in.

[sns2]

Good. Next.

How many people has he directly sentenced to a slow death?

[CBintheNorth]

So which is it, was he retried based on his appeal, or not? Two different sources, two different stories.

I think one is citing what their government wants us to hear and the other is citing what ours wants us to hear.
Either way, he appears to be guilty of a crime to which the punishment is death. Guessing he knew that going in, so not much sympathy for him.

[lannie]

If it's all true i agree to most of the punishment. My doubts lie with the reliability and integrity of the Chinese courts. Makes me a bit curious as to his past here in Canada. I would really worry if he had a shiny clean slate here and the first mar was in China with over 200 kgs of meth.

If someone/group wants to traffic Meth why would they go to China to obtain it? I thought one of the "benefits " of trafficking meth was you could manufacture it within the border you are selling it in quite easily. Then to go to another country that has the death penalty associated with it does not make total sense.

[CaberTosser]

Its certainly fair when people note about the conviction rate of Chinese courts that the fellow might well be innocent. Its not that uncommon for drug smugglers to stash their goods in unwitting tourists luggage, of course this could go either way. Without knowing specifics of the case and claims against him who really knows? If guilty then fine, go ahead. If he's not that's a really crappy situation to be in but then it brings to mind the wisdom of travelling to a place where the rule of law is like that. Its not quite as naïve as those Scandinavian female tourists in Morocco, but it has similarities.

When in foreign lands, be extra, extra careful to adhere to their laws. You're not in Kansas anymore.

[Dean2]

Its certainly fair when people note about the conviction rate of Chinese courts that the fellow might well be innocent. Its not that uncommon for drug smugglers to stash their goods in unwitting tourists luggage, of course this could go either way. Without knowing specifics of the case and claims against him who really knows? If guilty then fine, go ahead. If he's not that's a really crappy situation to be in but then it brings to mind the wisdom of travelling to a place where the rule of law is like that. Its not quite as naïve as those Scandinavian female tourists in Morocco, but it has similarities.

When in foreign lands, be extra, extra careful to adhere to their laws. You're not in Kansas anymore.

Someone didn't just slip 222 KG of dope into his luggage. That is 500 pounds of meth. This guys was at the real big end of dope smuggling.

As to the question of why get it from China, same reason so much other stuff is made there now. Decent quality, low cost inputs and far less issue getting the stuff you need to make really large batches. Only issue is getting caught.

[Fish along]

Here's a funny quote from one of the Chinese official on this matter “I would suggest the Canadian (Trudeau) study the Vienna Convention before making such a comment, so as not to be inaccurate and make oneself a laughing stock,”
Trudeau is doing his best to make us the laughing stock of the world it would seem.

Our LITTLE POTATO

[bat119]

The Dalian Intermediate People's Court found through trial that: Kaim, Stephen and Mr. Zhou (both at large) and others implemented organized international drug trafficking activities, and controlled two accounts of Ping An Bank and China Merchants Bank in China. Crime provides financial support. In mid-October 2014, Kaim hired a translator Xu for his work, instructing Xu to rent a warehouse in Dalian, order tires, and receive “Mr. Zhou” and Jian Xiangrong (since for drug trafficking crimes and illegal possession of drugs) Imprisonment) 20 tons of plastic pellets containing 222 packets of iced water from Guangdong Province to Dalian City were placed in the warehouse, and Xu was also informed that an expatriate would be appointed to handle the shipment. On November 19th, Kem appointed Schellenberg to Dalian to meet with Xu, intending to hide drugs in the tire liner and smuggle into Australia. Since then, Schellenberg has asked Xu to purchase tools for repackaging drugs and tire liners, ordering tires, inner tubes and used containers. After reviewing the cargo and assessing the workload, Schellenberg changed the schedule from November to December. On the afternoon of the 27th, Schellenberger called Mai Qingxiang (who was sentenced to death for the crime of transporting drugs and was suspended for two years) and asked him to help find another warehouse to store drugs. Mai Qingxiang then called the Dalian warehouse operator to contact the warehouse. On the 29th, Xu reported the case to the public security organ. After Schellenberg noticed, he left the hotel in the early morning of December 1 to Dalian Airport to prepare to flee to Thailand. On the way, Schellenberger dropped the phone SIM card and replaced the new SIM card. At 13:00 on the same day, when the plane stopped in Guangzhou, Schellenberg was arrested by the public security organs. After identification, the 222 packets of methicillin seized by the public security organs had a net weight of 222.035 kg.

It was also found that from mid-November to early December 2014, Mr. Zhou pointed out that Jian Xiangrong had twice hired a car to transport goods mixed with drugs from Guangzhou to Hangzhou. Jian Xiangrong, Steven and Mai Qingxiang were responsible for receiving the shipment. On December 5, the public security organ arrested Mai Qingxiang and seized 501 kilograms of ice. During the above-mentioned crimes, Kem, Steven and the two accounts controlled by Mr. Zhou and others repeatedly transferred funds to the accounts of Jian Xiangrong and Mai Qingxiang for related expenses.

The public prosecution agency presented evidence of physical evidence, documentary evidence, on-site investigation transcripts, drug identification opinions, confession of another defendant, witness testimony and other evidence in court. The witness Xu was present in court to testify.

The Dalian Intermediate People's Court found that the defendant, Schellenberger, participated in organized international drug trafficking activities and smuggled 222.035 kilograms of ice toxic with others, and his behavior constituted a crime of smuggling drugs. The facts alleged by the public prosecution agency are clear, the evidence is true and sufficient, and the charges are alleged. Scherrenberg is the principal offender and is a crime. According to the facts, nature, circumstances and serious harm to the society of the defendant, in accordance with the relevant provisions of the Criminal Law of the People's Republic of China, the defendant Schellenberg was sentenced to death for smuggling drugs and the property was confiscated.

More of the story here don't forget to hit the translate button or its hard to read

https://www.chinacourt.org/article/detail/2019/01/id/3705304.shtml

[Grizzly Adams]

The Dalian Intermediate People's Court found through trial that: Kaim, Stephen and Mr. Zhou (both at large) and others implemented organized international drug trafficking activities, and controlled two accounts of Ping An Bank and China Merchants Bank in China. Crime provides financial support. In mid-October 2014, Kaim hired a translator Xu for his work, instructing Xu to rent a warehouse in Dalian, order tires, and receive “Mr. Zhou” and Jian Xiangrong (since for drug trafficking crimes and illegal possession of drugs) Imprisonment) 20 tons of plastic pellets containing 222 packets of iced water from Guangdong Province to Dalian City were placed in the warehouse, and Xu was also informed that an expatriate would be appointed to handle the shipment. On November 19th, Kem appointed Schellenberg to Dalian to meet with Xu, intending to hide drugs in the tire liner and smuggle into Australia. Since then, Schellenberg has asked Xu to purchase tools for repackaging drugs and tire liners, ordering tires, inner tubes and used containers. After reviewing the cargo and assessing the workload, Schellenberg changed the schedule from November to December. On the afternoon of the 27th, Schellenberger called Mai Qingxiang (who was sentenced to death for the crime of transporting drugs and was suspended for two years) and asked him to help find another warehouse to store drugs. Mai Qingxiang then called the Dalian warehouse operator to contact the warehouse. On the 29th, Xu reported the case to the public security organ. After Schellenberg noticed, he left the hotel in the early morning of December 1 to Dalian Airport to prepare to flee to Thailand. On the way, Schellenberger dropped the phone SIM card and replaced the new SIM card. At 13:00 on the same day, when the plane stopped in Guangzhou, Schellenberg was arrested by the public security organs. After identification, the 222 packets of methicillin seized by the public security organs had a net weight of 222.035 kg.

It was also found that from mid-November to early December 2014, Mr. Zhou pointed out that Jian Xiangrong had twice hired a car to transport goods mixed with drugs from Guangzhou to Hangzhou. Jian Xiangrong, Steven and Mai Qingxiang were responsible for receiving the shipment. On December 5, the public security organ arrested Mai Qingxiang and seized 501 kilograms of ice. During the above-mentioned crimes, Kem, Steven and the two accounts controlled by Mr. Zhou and others repeatedly transferred funds to the accounts of Jian Xiangrong and Mai Qingxiang for related expenses

The public prosecution agency presented evidence of physical evidence, documentary evidence, on-site investigation transcripts, drug identification opinions, confession of another defendant, witness testimony and other evidence in court. The witness Xu was present in court to testify.

The Dalian Intermediate People's Court found that the defendant, Schellenberger, participated in organized international drug trafficking activities and smuggled 222.035 kilograms of ice toxic with others, and his behavior constituted a crime of smuggling drugs. The facts alleged by the public prosecution agency are clear, the evidence is true and sufficient, and the charges are alleged. Scherrenberg is the principal offender and is a crime. According to the facts, nature, circumstances and serious harm to the society of the defendant, in accordance with the relevant provisions of the Criminal Law of the People's Republic of China, the defendant Schellenberg was sentenced to death for smuggling drugs and the property was confiscated.

More of the story here don't forget to hit the translate button or its hard to read

https://www.chinacourt.org/article/detail/2019/01/id/3705304.shtml

He has 10 days to appeal. Here he'd die of old age before they got around to executing him.


Grizz

[JD848]

A stale mind is the devils playground,so you want to play you get grabbed to bad so sad.I just think of the lives he would have devastated ,you get your own medicine .Our pm is one mixed up guy,it's embarrassing to the whole world having a leader like this.

[wildbill]

This is what Canada needs to start doing with fentanyl dealers and terrorists!

[58thecat]

Good. Next.

How many people has he directly sentenced to a slow death?

Yup, scum bag drug dealer, who cares.

[58thecat]

This is what Canada needs to start doing with fentanyl dealers and terrorists!

Yup....

[bat119]

Schellenberg was previously sentenced to 6 months in 2003 and 2 years in 2012 for dealing drugs he should have stayed in jail in Canada where its safe.

After reading about this I lost what little sympathy I had for him, all those signs in airports SMUGGLING DRUGS = DEATH are true.

[wildbill]

A stale mind is the devils playground,so you want to play you get grabbed to bad so sad.I just think of the lives he would have devastated ,you get your own medicine .Our pm is one mixed up guy,it's embarrassing to the whole world having a leader like this.

Ya, and they call they call Alberta, the economic heart of this country the embarrassing cousin, yet he can’t answer a young woman for insinuating that all construction workers working on the road are a bunch of rapists, saying there are “gender impacts” yet the returning terrorists are rapaists, and his best friend is convicted pedophile, all I know, seems like all the people Trudeau holds in such high regard are greasy, slimy, deceitful, dishonest, entitled, raping, polygamist, pedophile, scum buckets!!

[elkhunter11]

Schellenberg was previously sentenced to 6 months in 2003 and 2 years in 2012 for dealing drugs he should have stayed in jail in Canada where its safe.

After reading about this I lost what little sympathy I had for him, all those signs in airports SMUGGLING DRUGS = DEATH are true.

As they say, three strikes and you are out. I feel no sympathy for this drug dealer.

[sns2]

They should fry him in hot oil and livestream it on the internet. That may sound harsh, but I feel that way. That load of fentanyl will destroy how many families, create how many junkies, and result in how many overdoses???

If you go to Singapore nobody does graffiti or spits on the sidewalk. Why? Because they will be lashed. Our sentences do not work. Let's have China show us the way. I think Trudeau even said he admired them.

[Dweb]

They should fry him in hot oil and livestream it on the internet. That may sound harsh, but I feel that way. That load of fentanyl will destroy how many families, create how many junkies, and result in how many overdoses.

If you go to Singapore nobody does graffiti or spits on the sidewalk. Why? Because they will be lashed. Our sentences do not work. Let's have China show us the way. I think Trudeau even said he admired them.

When I read "fry him in hot oil" I had to scroll up and make sure I didn't accidentally click the eating pike thread lol

Totally agree btw

[CaberTosser]

Being its the the case that he's been convicted previously in Canada then who gives a hoot what China does to him? I'd sooner they do off the cretin if he's peddling that stuff, there is absolutely no benefit whatsoever and nothing but many trails of misery linked to those drugs. There is zero need to attempt any negotiations to save this recidivist, if anything we should say a formal "Thanks, China!" and send a catering tray to the execution officials. Perhaps offer to pay for the electricity or bullets?

For the execution, jam him full of bamboo and feed him to the Pandas (also live-streamed) :sHa_sarcasticlol:

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/your-country-deserves-much-better-bc-judge-warned-canadian-sentenced-to-death-in-china/ar-BBSfK0c?ocid=ientp

[CBintheNorth]

We need to be thankful that China isn't sending us a bill for cleaning up our problems...

[303carbine]

I think he knew the rules and risks and thought he would never get caught.
A thirty cent bullet will make sure his dealing days are over..........forever.

[CaberTosser]

I've heard that executions in China often coincide with when a wealthy person with matching blood type, etc needs for an organ for transplant....


Reduce, recycle, re-use!

[Bushrat]

Darwin award winner....went there to do something he could get executed for if he got caught.......and he got caught. He's on his own far as I'm concerned.

[HoytCRX32]

Guy screwed up...should have been a terrorist...then Trudeau would be doing back flips to get him back home (and probably give him 10 million).

[waldedw]

This is what Canada needs to start doing with fentanyl dealers and terrorists!

X2, instead we have powder puff laws written by bleeding hearts so we don't trample on the rights of scum bags

[CaberTosser]

The fact that this guy was in China and trafficking drugs yet again after having been convicted and sentenced here at home twice
is quite revealing about the failure that our own justice system is. Had he received longer sentences, had the time served been less pleasant, etc, he should not have been free to travel there and get tied up in this in the first place. In my earlier post there was a link with some quotes from the judge who was releasing him, the judge sounded kind of tough by what he was saying. The thing is that judge still let this fellow out and also has some culpability in what has happened due to that.

Canada’s ‘justice’ system creates recidivists like this, what do the ‘it’s not their fault’ crowd really expect?

Following release, drug dealers and weapons traffickers should have their passports permanently revoked, unless they originally hail from somewhere else and then they should be forcibly returned there. The welcome mat cannot be abused. We should not allow our convicts to represent Canada in this way on the world stage.

[Grizzly Adams]

The fact that this guy was in China and trafficking drugs yet again after having been convicted and sentenced here at home twice
is quite revealing about the failure that our own justice system is. Had he received longer sentences, had the time served been less pleasant, etc, he should not have been free to travel there and get tied up in this in the first place. In my earlier post there was a link with some quotes from the judge who was releasing him, the judge sounded kind of tough by what he was saying. The thing is that judge still let this fellow out and also has some culpability in what has happened due to that.

Canada’s ‘justice’ system creates recidivists like this, what do the ‘it’s not their fault’ crowd really expect?

Following release, drug dealers and weapons traffickers should have their passports permanently revoked, unless they originally hail from somewhere else and then they should be forcibly returned there. The welcome mat cannot be abused. We should not allow our convicts to represent Canada in this way on the world stage.

Gotta wonder how the Australians , where the drugs were destined, feel about this ? Maybe Trudeau should apologize for the conduct of one of our countrymen ?

Grizz

[urban rednek]

We need judges like this.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-58141758
China: Canadian citizen loses appeal against death penalty
By Suranjana Tewari BBC News

The court said it upheld Robert Lloyd Schellenberg's sentence because evidence against him was "sufficient".

Schellenberg was initially sentenced to 15 years in jail, but in 2019 an appeal court said this was too lenient, leading to a retrial and a death sentence.

The verdict comes as relations between Canada and China remain fraught.

The Canadian ambassador to China, Dominic Barton, condemned the Chinese court's ruling, saying it was "no coincidence" that the verdict was released while an extradition battle involving senior Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou was ongoing in Canada.

Ms Meng, the daughter of the founder of the Chinese telecoms company, is currently detained in Canada on a US warrant.

Canada had earlier accused China of conducting "hostage diplomacy", though Beijing denies the cases are linked.

Schellenberg was detained in 2014 and charged with planning to smuggle almost 500lb (227kg) of methamphetamine from China to Australia.

He denies the charges, and said he went to China as a tourist.

In November 2018, he was sentenced to 15 years in jail.

But a few days later, Canada detained Meng Wanzhou, a senior executive at Chinese tech giant Huawei, on a US extradition warrant.

China at the time warned of unspecified consequences unless Ms Meng was released.

Schellenberg later appealed against the 15-year prison term, but instead of reducing his sentence, judges ruled that his previous sentence had been too light and instead sentenced him to death.

At his hearing, the judges said that evidence proved he was more seriously involved in international drug smuggling.

At the time, Zhang Dongshuo, Schellenberg's lawyer, told Reuters that the sentence should not have been increased because no new evidence was presented at the trial.

Another high-profile case involving a Canadian citizen is expected to be handed down by a Chinese court later this week.

Michael Spavor, a businessman accused of espionage, was arrested in China two years ago along with fellow Canadian and former diplomat Michael Kovrig. Their detentions came days after Canada detained Ms Meng.

In March, the trial of Mr Spavor, lasting just two hours in the northern Chinese city of Dandong, ended with no verdict.

Canadian diplomats including the charge d'affaires to China were denied entry to the court.

At the time, Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau called the closed-door proceedings "completely unacceptable".

[Scott N]

We need judges like this.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-58141758

Even if the guy is a scumbag, you're OK with obvious political interference in a death penalty case?

[Mr Flyguy]

Being its the the case that he's been convicted previously in Canada then who gives a hoot what China does to him? I'd sooner they do off the cretin if he's peddling that stuff, there is absolutely no benefit whatsoever and nothing but many trails of misery linked to those drugs. There is zero need to attempt any negotiations to save this recidivist, if anything we should say a formal "Thanks, China!" and send a catering tray to the execution officials. Perhaps offer to pay for the electricity or bullets?

For the execution, jam him full of bamboo and feed him to the Pandas (also live-streamed) :sHa_sarcasticlol:

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/your-country-deserves-much-better-bc-judge-warned-canadian-sentenced-to-death-in-china/ar-BBSfK0c?ocid=ientp

Wow, talk about ready to cast the first stone, Mr. Holier that Thou!

[Larry.S]

Even if the guy is a scumbag, you're OK with obvious political interference in a death penalty case?

I agree. Regardless of Chinese law the case shouldn’t be politicized (wishful thinking no doubt). You’d have to be a fool to travel to China right now. There is no rule of law in that country.

[CaberTosser]

Wow, talk about ready to cast the first stone, Mr. Holier that Thou!

Yup. I’m as clean as a whistle and that piece of excrement was trying to murder people for profit, so I take that really poor attempt at an insult as a compliment. Anyone pushing that quantity of that kind of dope has a lot of death on his hands. Aside from the dead junkies, consider the amount of human misery and theft is involved with the end use of a few hundred kg of fentanyl. How many robberies, muggings, B&E’s, car thefts, car prowlings, stolen bikes, etc does it take for addicts to commit against decent people to afford that much fentanyl? How many honest people are robbed to pay for that crap? How much does it cost the taxpayers to keep sending ambulances to save the addicts who commit suicide-by-OD a few times a week, only to be saved by EMT’s who are suffering burnout from the ultimate futility of their efforts? How many good people who need ambulances wind up waiting, suffering and even dying due to junkies taking up so many crews and creating wait times? Damned rights I’m holier than that selfish, soulless, drug-peddling, mass murderer (do an opioid death-count check in your nation of choice, it’s called an opioid crisis for a reason).

Schellenberg was convicted repeatedly in Canada in what we can safely assume were fair trials, and were it not for our crappy sentencing regime here perhaps he’d not have reoffended internationally? Or perhaps he’s just that stupid that no measures a Canadian court could ever possibly impose would change his ways. His own epic stupidity has found the cure & good riddance, he won’t get to participate in anyone’s murder ever again. I hate the totalitarian and genocidal Chinese gov’t, but on this Schellenberg issue I find myself in the unusual position of agreeing with them.

[Sundog57]

It's from Wikipedia so accuracy may be in question but...
Quote
Robert Lloyd Schellenberg (born 1982) is a Canadian citizen[6] and grew up in Abbotsford, British Columbia. Schellenberg had been jailed twice in Canada for drug possession, and had been arrested a total of 11 times for drug offences and driving under influence before being arrested in China. According to 2012 court documents, Schellenberg had previously suffered from a femoral injury at work, and began to use pain medications to relieve pain and became addicted. In 2010, Schellenberg was sentenced to "one year in prison and two years' probation" for trafficking and transporting drugs. In 2012, Schellenberg was sentenced to two years in prison for drug-related offenses including for trafficking purposes.[7][8] His father stopped supporting him since he was in prison, but some other relatives still supported him. When Schellenberg was released from prison in 2013, his whereabouts were unknown.[9] According to his aunt, Schellenberg "used earnings from working in Alberta’s oil fields to pay for his travels in Asia".[10]
Unquote

As noted elsewhere a sterling example of the effectiveness of the Canadian Justice system.
Going to China for a better deal?
Darwinian selection in action

[AI 6.5]

The fact that this guy was in China and trafficking drugs yet again after having been convicted and sentenced here at home twice
is quite revealing about the failure that our own justice system is. Had he received longer sentences, had the time served been less pleasant, etc, he should not have been free to travel there and get tied up in this in the first place. In my earlier post there was a link with some quotes from the judge who was releasing him, the judge sounded kind of tough by what he was saying. The thing is that judge still let this fellow out and also has some culpability in what has happened due to that.

Canada’s ‘justice’ system creates recidivists like this, what do the ‘it’s not their fault’ crowd really expect?

Following release, drug dealers and weapons traffickers should have their passports permanently revoked, unless they originally hail from somewhere else and then they should be forcibly returned there. The welcome mat cannot be abused. We should not allow our convicts to represent Canada in this way on the world stage.

Agree 100%. Couldn't have said it better.

[AI 6.5]

Even if the guy is a scumbag, you're OK with obvious political interference in a death penalty case?

Well he is a previously convicted drug trafficker. There would be no political interference in this case if he didn't try to smuggle drugs out of China. He should be given the Darwin Award for that. Pays your money, takes ur chances.

[Scott N]

Well he is a previously convicted drug trafficker. There would be no political interference in this case if he didn't try to smuggle drugs out of China. He should be given the Darwin Award for that. Pays your money, takes ur chances.

I'm not defending the guy or what he did, but China upgraded his penalty to death after the Meng Wanzhou fiasco started. Did the judge weigh the evidence of the case, or do what his commie masters told him to? Someone said Canada needs judges like that, I would strongly disagree.

[Ackleyman]

Take a hard look at your kids , grand kids. Beautiful young people that could have died or had their lives destroyed by this guy. A BAD drug trafficer.
If no one has the guts and keeps using him as a political pawn , fly me to China and i'll stick a round between his eyes.

[AI 6.5]

I'm not defending the guy or what he did, but China upgraded his penalty to death after the Meng Wanzhou fiasco started. Did the judge weigh the evidence of the case, or do what his commie masters told him to? Someone said Canada needs judges like that, I would strongly disagree.

Of course it's politically motivated, would you expect anything different from China given their track record? All the more reason not try to smuggle drugs out of the country.

[Scott N]

Of course it's politically motivated, would you expect anything different from China given their track record? All the more reason not try to smuggle drugs out of the country.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but having a "yes man" as a judge on a death penalty case is nothing to admire.

[fishtank]

Might not agree with their government and policies . but do like the way they treat drug dealers/traffickers.

[urban rednek]

I'm not defending the guy or what he did, but China upgraded his penalty to death after the Meng Wanzhou fiasco started. Did the judge weigh the evidence of the case, or do what his commie masters told him to? Someone said Canada needs judges like that, I would strongly disagree.

I'm not suggesting that we need further political interference of the judiciary in Canuckistan. :angry3:
Simply that when someone decides to commit criminal acts in a thoroughly corrupt third world communist totalitarian dictatorship, I no longer have any sympathy for their plight.

I have stated before that we need less violent criminals and I no longer care how it happens; I feel the same way about opioid and chemical drug smugglers and their distribution networks.

ETA- the judge that presided over this case was obviously taking orders from his political masters...not unlike some recent cases here in Canuckistan. We haven't done anything to stop it from happening again, why should we expect China to be any different?

[AI 6.5]

I'm not disagreeing with you, but having a "yes man" as a judge on a death penalty case is nothing to admire.

Nobody saying it is, but again we are dealing with Chinese Communist Party. All the more reason not to smuggle drugs there. What did he think was going to happen if he got caught there. Natural selection at it's finest.

[Bushrat]

The guy must be mentally deranged, can't be his fault. His only problem is the Canadian get out of jail free cards he's used to.. are not accepted in China.

[Ken07AOVette]

0 sympathy for self inflicted wounds

fitting ending. Send more there.

[Pioneer2]

I agree. Regardless of Chinese law the case shouldn’t be politicized (wishful thinking no doubt). You’d have to be a fool to travel to China right now. There is no rule of law in that country.

There will no no rule of law in this country.First PET and now his unlikely son's cult worship of the Chinese communists.

[CaberTosser]

I’m getting a kick out of being able to roast Trudeau on his social media accounts about his comments on the Canadians imprisoned in China because it strikes at precisely what he himself attempted by repeatedly trying to interfere with the judicial process in the SNC Lavalin affair. If he’s against Chinese gov’t interference with judicial process, he should also be against his own interference with judicial process.

[AI 6.5]

I’m getting a kick out of being able to roast Trudeau on his social media accounts about his comments on the Canadians imprisoned in China because it strikes at precisely what he himself attempted by repeatedly trying to interfere with the judicial process in the SNC Lavalin affair. If he’s against Chinese gov’t interference with judicial process, he should also be against his own interference with judicial process.

Of course he should but hypocrisy has no bounds with this moron.

[Sundancefisher]

Meng is apparently signing a deferred prosecution agreement with the US.

Expected to be finalized today and she will be free to leave Canada in the next couple of days if she wants to.

At the same time… news is saying there is no side agreement to immediately release the two Michaels.

[EZM]

Meng is apparently signing a deferred prosecution agreement with the US.

Expected to be finalized today and she will be free to leave Canada in the next couple of days if she wants to.

At the same time… news is saying there is no side agreement to immediately release the two Michaels.

She had the Canadians release her extradition detention order hours after the US deferred prosecution and, just minutes ago, left Canadian air space and is already on her way back to China.

I watched the live shots of her plane taking off and climbing out of Vancouver's airport.

I guess once freed - it's in your best interest to get the heck out of dodge

[Sooner]

She had the Canadians release her extradition detention order hours after the US deferred prosecution and, just minutes ago, left Canadian air space and is already on her way back to China.

I watched the live shots of her plane taking off and climbing out of Vancouver's airport.

I guess once freed - it's in your best interest to get the heck out of dodge

What a debacle right from the start. And how long will the two Michael's have to sit in a jail before they are mysteriously freed. Meng should have been put in a women's prison the day after the two Canadians were put in prison.

[RandyBoBandy]

Apparently, they have been released :)

[does it ALL outdoors]

If he was really smuggling drugs then good riddance, we'd not want him back in 15 years anyways. It'll even lower China's carbon footprint if they don't have to feed him! A guy moving that quantity of drugs would be partly responsible for the thefts, assaults, rapes, etc, that are committed by the people on those drugs/ stealing to buy those drugs...

My only question is if we can outsource some of our current inmates to facilities in China for a modest fee?

What is sad about this diplomatic row is that the Huawei executive is only under house arrest so its not as though she's suffering. Lady has an ankle bracelet and some security overseeing her. I guess the main worry for them is if she gets sent to the US and convicted......

She NEEDS to be doing her waiting for extradition in a Canadian Prison like all other criminals, not waiting it out in one of her multi million dollar Vancouver mansions. Our guys are waiting it out in Prisons, why isn't she?

Fairs fair and that would REALLY upset the Chinese but we all know Zoolander wouldn't want to upset his overlords :angry3:

[does it ALL outdoors]

Good. Next.

How many people has he directly sentenced to a slow death?

If his sentence stands China doesn't play around with executions. Google China death vans.

They bring the mobile execution unit right to the court houses back doors and in ya go right Chicken Charlie after being sentenced, no waiting around for decades on appeal.

And they harvest your organs, like it or not. For as much as China gets wrong, they sure have executions down pat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlYSl5IKP64

[whitetail Junkie]

I’m getting a kick out of being able to roast Trudeau on his social media accounts about his comments on the Canadians imprisoned in China because it strikes at precisely what he himself attempted by repeatedly trying to interfere with the judicial process in the SNC Lavalin affair. If he’s against Chinese gov’t interference with judicial process, he should also be against his own interference with judicial process.

The prime idiot made the announcement on CBC yesterday about the release of the Canadians and I get the sense like he feels he somehow made the deal happen when in fact he couldn’t plan his way out of a wet paper bag let alone deal with China.

[gunluvr]

The prime idiot made the announcement on CBC yesterday about the release of the Canadians and I get the sense like he feels he somehow made the deal happen when in fact he couldn’t plan his way out of a wet paper bag let alone deal with China.

The release of the two Micheals coinciding directly with Meng's release is a blatant admission of arbitrary hostage taking by China.
The rest of the world has to rethink doing business with the Chinese Communist Party and China in general. Any foreign citizens in China are in perpetual danger of being taken hostage by the Chinese government.
This is obviously how the CCP chooses to do business.
Cancel culture is good as well as bad.
Cancel anything China.

[AI 6.5]

The release of the two Micheals coinciding directly with Meng's release is a blatant admission of arbitrary hostage taking by China.
The rest of the world has to rethink doing business with the Chinese Communist Party and China in general. Any foreign citizens in China are in perpetual danger of being taken hostage by the Chinese government.
This is obviously how the CCP chooses to do business.
Cancel culture is good as well as bad.
Cancel anything China.

Is this a surprise? China pretty much admitted their detention was in retaliation for Meng being held in Canada. Would you expect anything different from the CCP. Helen Keller could see that one. China runs the world. One has to look no further than the keyboard or phone you are typing on. Why the free world isn’t boycotting the upcoming Olympics is proof of that.

[Sundancefisher]

The release of the two Micheals coinciding directly with Meng's release is a blatant admission of arbitrary hostage taking by China.
The rest of the world has to rethink doing business with the Chinese Communist Party and China in general. Any foreign citizens in China are in perpetual danger of being taken hostage by the Chinese government.
This is obviously how the CCP chooses to do business.
Cancel culture is good as well as bad.
Cancel anything China.

Yup. Now they just need to sue Canada for their millions.

I hope they can sue China and recover some money via any holdings here.

[CMichaud]

I tried to find any coverage of them arriving in Canada but saw nothing?

I wonder what shape they are in.

[gunluvr]

Trudeau said that caving to China by releasing Meng in exchange for the two Micheals would set a dangerous precedent by allowing China to detain foreign citizens for political incentives. That's how the rest of the world thinks, but not China.
We now know that releasing Meng would have gotten the two Micheals back, and wouldn't have changed anything to do with how China acts.
The two Micheals should definitely sue Trudeau and the Liberal government.

[Fish along]

Is this a surprise? China pretty much admitted their detention was in retaliation for Meng being held in Canada. Would you expect anything different from the CCP. Helen Keller could see that one. China runs the world. One has to look no further than the keyboard or phone you are typing on. Why the free world isn’t boycotting the upcoming Olympics is proof of that.

Sad but very true.

[Ackleyman]

And does the one drug dealer have a clean slate..........