Lost meat

[Muller]

Here is my situation,
I killed a nice 5x5 mature w/t buck in October.
I left it with my local butcher after field dressing and skinning.
When I tried to collect it, he was evasive saying he was busy and for me to be patient.
Finally, when I ran out of patience and demand my meat, he says, you must have picked it up already, it’s not here!

Question,
1; Has any of you been in this situation and resolved it, and how?
2; Have any of you went the small claims route, and to what success?

[elkslayer132]

Call Fish and wildlife and report it.

[1shotwade]

We went threw this with a whole cow elk!! Nothing was done from F&W . It was an absolute nightmare.

[IR_mike]

Name the butcher.

[Ranets]

Name the butcher.

X2

[possum]

I'd say you're beat. Tell him that it tested positive for CWD

[icehunter]

Tell him that since " I must have picked it up" to produce a invoice with proof of payment from me. After all, if you picked it up you would have paid for it.

[1shotwade]

The one that this happened to with us has since changed hands and I wont slam the name as I cannot say how there business is run. :(

[urcayuse]

You shot a buck in October and are just picking it up in March?

[vcmm]

I'd say you're beat. Tell him that it tested positive for CWD

This^^^^ Tell them F&W and Alberta Agriculture want the meat and names of anyone that has consumed it. Bluff them. You have nothing to lose.

[Ken07AOVette]

Tell him you are going to report him to the Rcmp for theft and fraud if he doesn't come up with equivalent value of tags, days off work, $/lb for the loss.

If that doesnt work do it.

If that doesn't work sue him.

[Cement Bench]

Tell him you are going to report him to the Rcmp for theft and fraud if he doesn't come up with equivalent value of tags, days off work, $/lb for the loss.

If that doesnt work do it.

If that doesn't work sue him.


not sure you can do that, perhaps it is extortion
or is that only if he also demands money?
not sure just asking and being careful

am aware of what can be said in private to get your bill paid or product back

[1shotwade]

Tell him you are going to report him to the Rcmp for theft and fraud if he doesn't come up with equivalent value of tags, days off work, $/lb for the loss.

If that doesnt work do it.

If that doesn't work sue him.

We went down this road and it went nowhere, this was 3 years ago.

[Penner]

I'd say you're beat. Tell him that it tested positive for CWD

This^^^^ Tell them F&W and Alberta Agriculture want the meat and names of anyone that has consumed it. Bluff them. You have nothing to lose.

^^^ Couple pieces of bad advice right there. Incase the both of you have been under a rock as of late infectious disease is no joke.

[1shotwade]

^^^ Couple pieces of bad advice right there. Incase the both of you have been under a rock as of late infectious disease is no joke.

Just saying if you pull that card you better have the proof to back it up or now you become the one behind the 8 ball!!

[fordtruckin]

Tell him you are going to report him to the Rcmp for theft and fraud if he doesn't come up with equivalent value of tags, days off work, $/lb for the loss.

If that doesnt work do it.

If that doesn't work sue him.

This! Since the animal was legally harvested what is F&W going to do? You dropped it off at a meat processed and entered a contract of sorts to have it processed etc... it would be a theft issue not a F&W issue.

[calgarychef]

If you have your original receipt that shows you dropped it off and he can’t produce a receipt that you picked it up it must be “somewhere.” I’d say that since venison sells for around $70.00/Kg. he owed you around $2000.00 either cash or in product.

[graybeard]

Tell him you are going to report him to the Rcmp for theft and fraud if he doesn't come up with equivalent value of tags, days off work, $/lb for the loss.

If that doesn't work do it.

If that doesn't work sue him.

X 2.....we are on the same page...again...!

[gramps73]

I would think that this happens more often that we ever know.
not all but some skim off the top of almost every animal processed. you will never know

[Ken07AOVette]

not sure you can do that, perhaps it is extortion
or is that only if he also demands money?
not sure just asking and being careful

am aware of what can be said in private to get your bill paid or product back

There are no threats of bodily damage or coercion in this, rather a statement of fact and an opportunity for the offending party to reimburse before litigation or criminal activity investigation. There is no assumption, the animal was delivered and now is gone.

In Canada if someone writes you an NSF cheque you take it to the RCMP. If you call the person and say 'you have x time to make good' you have extended credit and it is no longer considered criminal offense.

This is not that.

[Ken07AOVette]

We went down this road and it went nowhere, this was 3 years ago.

RCMP or Court?

[1shotwade]

RCMP or Court?
F&W first then rcmp . Nothing was done as no money changed hands. The butcher signed the statement saying It was to shot up to butcher. It was all lies.

[-JR-]

Why have we not heard who the butcher is ....fake news !

Why not go back to the store ,order some nice steaks and say we are even and walk out .

[vcmm]

^^^ Couple pieces of bad advice right there. Incase the both of you have been under a rock as of late infectious disease is no joke.

Yup. It's a really big rock. I'll try to start to learn about infectious disease's in meat.:thinking-006:

[Ken07AOVette]

Why have we not heard who the butcher is ....fake news !

Why not go back to the store ,order some nice steaks and say we are even and walk out .

Chances are the butcher is on this forum, so the OP is being smart not leaving himself open to libel.

It would be stupid to do that while looking at alternative ways to be reimbursed.

I would think he would tell you if you asked in PM, although the 'fake news' line may end in him telling you to pound sand.

[-JR-]

Chances are the butcher is on this forum, so the OP is being smart not leaving himself open to libel.

It would be stupid to do that while looking at alternative ways to be reimbursed.

I would think he would tell you if you asked in PM, although the 'fake news' line may end in him telling you to pound sand.

No he paid for the steaks ,butcher just can't remember

PS
Who is the butcher?

[Ken07AOVette]

IF it was me-

I would get on IE, google Alberta Provincial Court Civil Forms,
download Statement of Claim and dispute note, Affidavit of Service (commencement),

have a Corporate Registry Search ($26) done on the offending butcher and print 3 copies,

fill out and file the statement of claim using current beef market prices per LB, I would guess roughly $1000.00,

take the SOC DN and CRS to the local provincial court and pay $100 to file, then take the package to Canada Post, have it mailed Registered Signature required to the address shown on the CRS ($13.50),

check for signature over the next week, once you have confirmation of delivery take it and the Affidavit to the Court house and swear/affirm the service. Take the 2nd copy of the CRS with the printed affidavit.

If there is no dispute note filed within 30 days download the Request for Default Judgement, print it showing costs and allowed statutory interest (4%) on a separate form.

Wait for your Judgement to arrive via fax email or snail mail.

Likely long before this you will be given an offer to settle from the butcher.

If he does not have morals you will get Judgement, which you file in Court of Queen's Bench (no charge) and file an action against him to seize or garnish.

[calgarychef]

IF it was me-

I would get on IE, google Alberta Provincial Court Civil Forms,
download Statement of Claim and dispute note, Affidavit of Service (commencement),

have a Corporate Registry Search ($26) done on the offending butcher and print 3 copies,

fill out and file the statement of claim using current beef market prices per LB, I would guess roughly $1000.00,

take the SOC DN and CRS to the local provincial court and pay $100 to file, then take the package to Canada Post, have it mailed Registered Signature required to the address shown on the CRS ($13.50),

check for signature over the next week, once you have confirmation of delivery take it and the Affidavit to the Court house and swear/affirm the service. Take the 2nd copy of the CRS with the printed affidavit.

If there is no dispute note filed within 30 days download the Request for Default Judgement, print it showing costs and allowed statutory interest (4%) on a separate form.

Wait for your Judgement to arrive via fax email or snail mail.

Likely long before this you will be given an offer to settle from the butcher.

If he does not have morals you will get Judgement, which you file in Court of Queen's Bench (no charge) and file an action against him to seize or garnish.

Awesome advice. My only bone is it’s not beef it’s venison and worth way more than beef.. he should price it like for like.

[Ken07AOVette]

Awesome advice. My only bone is it’s not beef it’s venison and worth way more than beef.. he should price it like for like.

My apologies, I am unaware of the price of venison, just said beef as an example

DO NOT NAME THE BUTCHER HERE

[58thecat]

name that butcher so others don't get screwed.

[Ken07AOVette]

PM sent- do NOT name the butcher just because others are nosy.

'Libel', remember?

[58thecat]

PM sent- do NOT name the butcher just because others are nosy.

'Libel', remember?

not nosey big guy just maybe then pm us who this is....kinda like stopping this virus gotta stop providing it a host....

if what the OP says is true then gotta nip this idiot in the butt.

[Ken07AOVette]

not nosey big guy just maybe then pm us who this is....kinda like stopping this virus gotta stop providing it a host....

if what the OP says is true then gotta nip this idiot in the butt.

And that's fine, but how about allowing the OP some time to get some payback before giving the offending party something to use against him?

[58thecat]

And that's fine, but how about allowing the OP some time to get some payback before giving the offending party something to use against him?

roger that...as with the original post provided the OP will decide which avenue to pursue after reading the various responses...hope it works out.

[Dean2]

Listen to Ken, he does this stuff for a living and is really good at it. You just got some expensive help for free. Much of the other free info you got is not worth what you paid for it.

[Muller]

Many thanks to all who posted.
The butcher and myself have agreed to a resolution.
We all make mistakes, however I expect mistakes to be owned up to and rectified.
I will leave it at that for now and if promises are fulfilled I won’t speak to the matter again.

[Stinky Buffalo]

Glad to hear you got it worked out.

[-JR-]

Glad to hear you got it worked out.

2x

[58thecat]

Glad to hear you got it worked out.

awesome!!!!

so I was at a butchers in the early 90's in moose jaw....gentleman in front of me was in a heated discussion about his wild game meat etc...never really followed the conversation but when I heard glass break and the fella yelled now we are even I turned to see the front window to the store broken....I laughed and walked out with my venison to be dropped off...this shop lasted another 6 months or so....do that today and someone might find it offensive:sHa_sarcasticlol:

[Dean2]

Many thanks to all who posted.
The butcher and myself have agreed to a resolution.
We all make mistakes, however I expect mistakes to be owned up to and rectified.
I will leave it at that for now and if promises are fulfilled I won’t speak to the matter again.

Glad it worked out. Without giving away who it was, what finally convinced him to stand up and take accountability?

[58thecat]

Glad it worked out. Without giving away who it was, what finally convinced him to stand up and take accountability?

A potential broken front window:sHa_sarcasticlol:

[krthegunslinger]

A potential broken front window:sHa_sarcasticlol:

Glad someone said it. Paybacks are a dish best served icy cold. 😊

[dend]

Had the same thing happen to me. Butcher gave my elk to another person and offered me 2 other elk that were abandoned at the shop. I went to fish and wild life and they tried to help me. Couldn't pull the person's info off the credit card used so they went and got the RCMP involved. After waiting a year I was told nothing could be done because there was no ill intent on the butchers part. Lost my first elk to that situation. Only thing I can do is no longer use that butcher. Life lesson.