Safety and security and our freedoms

[A S D]

Question. What will happen after this plague ends. My concern is that the gov't never likes to return power to the people. Perfect opportunity for the global eliteists to grab power. How do we preserve our freedom once we start to rely on the gov't for our well being?

My dad grew up in a communist/ socialist/ progressive governmental system after the Nazis we're turfed. They were not nice to the people who did not tow the socialist line. Many simply disappeared. Taken from their homes in the wee hrs of the morning.

I don't think that it will be that bad here, but I'm concerned that our civil liberties and freedoms will be compromised in the name of the common good. I wonder whether there can be precautions that can be taken to preserve our liberty and freedoms. We often seem willing to cough up our freedom for safety and security. Humanity seem to learn the hard way. We seem not to learn from the past.

[caged]

I see everything coming back to normal after the plaque.

[WillyOneStyle]

This is a huge event in human history, I believe the world will look a bit different afterward. Indeed some global elitists will be more powerful, but some will be totally broken. $830 billion dollars evaporates on 8 March and trillions injected to make up for it. The OP is not wrong. This is a game changer. I have grinded through endless night shift work for years under this credo - "because we might look back on these as the days when we had it all"
hmmm, should of made a T-shirt or bumper sticker or something.

[Reeves1]

I see everything coming back to normal after the plaque.


LOL !

Canada never fully recovered from PET & now his idiot son has finished sinking the ship. We shall not recover from his rein in many generations.....

[Trochu]

My thoughts are we are going to get something I don't like, higher taxes in the name of covid, mandatoey vaccines, vaccines/medicines pushed through in the name of safety, tracking on your phone, something.

[elkhunter11]

Trudeau already tried to use the crisis to grant himself the powers of a dictator, and he won't give up. Expect him to introduce more bills to gain more control over Canadians.

[Lamburt]

Our ancestors gave up their lives fighting for freedom. We give up our freedom hoping the government will keep us safe from a bad flu.

The writing is on the wall. Our way of life is changing and we won't be going back, at least not without a bloody war.

[Grizzly Adams]

Our ancestors gave up their lives fighting for freedom. We give up our freedom hoping the government will keep us safe from a bad flu.

The writing is on the wall. Our way of life is changing and we won't be going back, at least not without a bloody war.

One thing that won't change is Globalization, which brought us to this. I look for the sequel. More people, more travel, more denial, more pandemics. This pandemic originated in stone age thinking , apparently, we'll never escape that.

Grizz

[Smoky buck]

Things are going to been interesting when this is all over between economic/financial hardship impacting people and changes in laws/regulations.

I have no fear of Covid19 but the reaction of society in all this is scary

[Lamburt]

One thing that won't change is Globalization, which brought us to this. I look for the sequel. More people, more travel, more denial, more pandemics. This pandemic originated in stone age thinking , apparently, we'll never escape that.

Grizz
Globalization is temporary, in my opinion. Eventually it leads us to a future world where most people are serfs who won't be able to afford to travel, or won't be allowed to. Travel could be restricted any time now under the guise of preventing virus spread or stopping climate change. Question is if we're ready for that yet, or if we need another decade or two of globalism to reach that point.

[Zip]

Coming out the other end of this virus.. I see a bunch of changes in how things will be done, higher taxes as the govt is on a spending and throw away money faster than drunken sailors.. and I’m not sure who will be our new power.. there will be something bad at the end of a this as well.. not sure what for sure, but my gut tells me that it will be bad for us small tiny folk..
Zip

[260 Rem]

Sadly, 20 years from now as another pandemic ravages the economy, the new bumper stickers will read “Please, one more chance and I promise not to pizz it away”.

[A S D]

I'm looking for a way to become proactive. I'm thinking about mandatory sunset clauses for any draconian laws put in place to restrict freedom, if the law is demonstrated to be temporarily necessary. Make it law to have a sunset clause . I'll bring this up with the conservative leadership's candidates. Bring it up on Facebook to bring it up on other people's radar is something else I can do. I need to thing of other ways. I hate the idea of loosing these hard fought for and costly freedoms our forefathers gave us.

The biggest problem I see may be is that people are more than willing to cough up freedom and liberty to feel safe, placing little value on it while they feel scared.

[pittman]

You guys are all pretty funny. Bunch of paranoid snowflakes.

The problem with the west is that every person and group thinks they're more important than the whole. Can't be inconvenienced to do anything on behalf of the group.

Might be time for everyone to recognize that we're all part of a bigger picture, and that making a few individual sacrifices isn't too much to ask in a time where a unified approach is required.

[huntsfurfish]

Life will go on.

[Ken07AOVette]

You guys are all pretty funny. Bunch of paranoid snowflakes.

The problem with the west is that every person and group thinks they're more important than the whole. Can't be inconvenienced to do anything on behalf of the group.

Might be time for everyone to recognize that we're all part of a bigger picture, and that making a few individual sacrifices isn't too much to ask in a time where a unified approach is required.

You should maybe take a look at your target audience before you start insulting them. Their (our) generation is as far away from snowflake as you are from being cordial and polite.

I can't speak for the OP, the doom and gloom thread is over there, and don't know him.

[Smoky buck]

You guys are all pretty funny. Bunch of paranoid snowflakes.

The problem with the west is that every person and group thinks they're more important than the whole. Can't be inconvenienced to do anything on behalf of the group.

Might be time for everyone to recognize that we're all part of a bigger picture, and that making a few individual sacrifices isn't too much to ask in a time where a unified approach is required.

Nothing you just posted applies to what has been posted in this thread. There was not one posts regarding the west but instead Canada as a whole you are the only one bringing up the “west”

People are talking about how this may impact the future of Canadians not individuals

Now if you want to step in and try to toss out insults calling people snow flakes at least come up with a statement that applies to what is being discussed.

[Bigjohn87]

One thing that won't change is Globalization, which brought us to this. I look for the sequel. More people, more travel, more denial, more pandemics. This pandemic originated in stone age thinking , apparently, we'll never escape that.

Grizz

I disagree, I think Globalization is done for. I also don’t see China being a major player, I think the west will drop them like a bad habit.

[pittman]

Actually, it does apply to the west, and the entirety of this post.

One of most outstanding differences between eastern and western culture is how the west views the individual as paramount, and how the east views the group as paramount. Not a new fact by any means.

One of the big problems we're having "out west" is that individuals aren't taking the advice of public health seriously. This post illustrates just that - that there are people pre-occupied with their individual "rights and freedoms" and are paranoid that the government is attempting to take them away. These are the same people who protest the infraction "of their rights" when someone suggests the utility of mandatory vaccination or any other public health measure that could benefit the population.

Still don't think that applies to this thread?

[Smoky buck]

Actually, it does apply to the west, and the entirety of this post.

One of most outstanding differences between eastern and western culture is how the west views the individual as paramount, and how the east views the group as paramount. Not a new fact by any means.

One of the big problems we're having "out west" is that individuals aren't taking the advice of public health seriously. This post illustrates just that - that there are people pre-occupied with their individual "rights and freedoms" and are paranoid that the government is attempting to take them away. These are the same people who protest the infraction "of their rights" when someone suggests the utility of mandatory vaccination or any other public health measure that could benefit the population.

Still don't think that applies to this thread?

Actually you’re lost still the thread is about long term impact on Canadians after Covid19 is over not present For starters

I am not even going to begin getting into the rest of your theory because you are making some crazy accusations and assumptions for starters.

[pittman]

Enlighten me.

Is the government going to control what you watch on TV? Where you go on vacation? Make you vaccinate your kids?

Probably not. There will be a pretty big financial impact no doubt.

[cody j]

Trudeau already tried to use the crisis to grant himself the powers of a dictator, and he won't give up. Expect him to introduce more bills to gain more control over Canadians.

I would expect this, as well as Canada kissing China’s butt, because viruses don’t know borders, right?

[58thecat]

Coming out of this I hope will be an eye opener for our 1st world nation and people of this great country will better be prepared for future economic crisis's etc.....just take a look what happened a generation after world issues...people where more self reliant but we got too soft over the generations that followed and expected things on credit etc....

Too many people in Canada where over enjoying and got hit with a third world nation everyday way of life....

It's easy to lay blame as it is to jump on the negative band wagons but hopefully after this the majority will remember this, learn from it going forward and ensure generations after are educated....

[58thecat]

Sadly, 20 years from now as another pandemic ravages the economy, the new bumper stickers will read “Please, one more chance and I promise not to pizz it away”.

Ok....now that made me laugh but so true eh....gotta look around....I do hope your wrong....

[Smoky buck]

Enlighten me.

Is the government going to control what you watch on TV? Where you go on vacation? Make you vaccinate your kids?

Probably not. There will be a pretty big financial impact no doubt.

Out of the changes in your post mandatory vaccination is not a far stretch but there has been a portion of the public lobbying for this before Covid19. If this is something that happened I would see this more likely do to a push from the public that government supported. Not really a concern to me personally either way. The rest is for the tinfoil hat club bet technically we already have censorship laws with TV but again not a personal concern

We are trending on new ground with the way the world has responded to Covid19 so with possible changes to laws and regulations are unpredictable. Possible changes could come from government or again public pressure based on fear. Let’s be honest crazy lives on both sides of the spectrum

Personally I see financial issues being an issue in the future and how our government chooses to deal with the issue and legislation that comes with it is a reasonable concern

No crazy tinfoil new world order theories here

[pittman]

You don't see any tinfoil hat theories on this post? Let me select a few posts from above for you to review.

Keep in mind that at times there needs to be a unified effort to achieve an end that is in your countries best interest. Unfortunately individual people cannot be relied upon to make choices for the greater good in times of hardship. Consider the hoarding that continues to go on at the grocery stores. We didn't have a supply chain problem before, and now certain shelves site empty as the paranoid sit at home and look at their mountain of TP.

Yet, some people still complain when public health tells them to stay home, wash their hands, don't travel unnecessarily, and get their vaccines. The impingement on their personal freedom is just too much to bear.

Are you getting the east vs west mentality yet? (and by East I don't mean Toronto).


Question. What will happen after this plague ends. My concern is that the gov't never likes to return power to the people. Perfect opportunity for the global eliteists to grab power. How do we preserve our freedom once we start to rely on the gov't for our well being?

My dad grew up in a communist/ socialist/ progressive governmental system after the Nazis we're turfed. They were not nice to the people who did not tow the socialist line. Many simply disappeared. Taken from their homes in the wee hrs of the morning.

I don't think that it will be that bad here, but I'm concerned that our civil liberties and freedoms will be compromised in the name of the common good. I wonder whether there can be precautions that can be taken to preserve our liberty and freedoms. We often seem willing to cough up our freedom for safety and security. Humanity seem to learn the hard way. We seem not to learn from the past.

My thoughts are we are going to get something I don't like, higher taxes in the name of covid, mandatoey vaccines, vaccines/medicines pushed through in the name of safety, tracking on your phone, something.

Trudeau already tried to use the crisis to grant himself the powers of a dictator, and he won't give up. Expect him to introduce more bills to gain more control over Canadians.

Our ancestors gave up their lives fighting for freedom. We give up our freedom hoping the government will keep us safe from a bad flu.

The writing is on the wall. Our way of life is changing and we won't be going back, at least not without a bloody war.

Globalization is temporary, in my opinion. Eventually it leads us to a future world where most people are serfs who won't be able to afford to travel, or won't be allowed to. Travel could be restricted any time now under the guise of preventing virus spread or stopping climate change. Question is if we're ready for that yet, or if we need another decade or two of globalism to reach that point.

I'm looking for a way to become proactive. I'm thinking about mandatory sunset clauses for any draconian laws put in place to restrict freedom, if the law is demonstrated to be temporarily necessary. Make it law to have a sunset clause . I'll bring this up with the conservative leadership's candidates. Bring it up on Facebook to bring it up on other people's radar is something else I can do. I need to thing of other ways. I hate the idea of loosing these hard fought for and costly freedoms our forefathers gave us.

The biggest problem I see may be is that people are more than willing to cough up freedom and liberty to feel safe, placing little value on it while they feel scared.

I disagree, I think Globalization is done for. I also don’t see China being a major player, I think the west will drop them like a bad habit.

Looks like a pretty big tinfoil hat to me.

[bessiedog]

yuuup...... they be crawlin out big time on tis thread....


geebus...

[58thecat]

Things are going to been interesting when this is all over between economic/financial hardship impacting people and changes in laws/regulations.

I have no fear of Covid19 but the reaction of society in all this is scary

True..the virus can be controlled as it needs a host...unfortunately people can't be controlled because they don't need a host.....maybe we are a virus?

[xxclaro]

[QUOTE=pittman;4140270]You don't see any tinfoil hat theories on this post? Let me select a few posts from above for you to review.

Keep in mind that at times there needs to be a unified effort to achieve an end that is in your countries best interest. Unfortunately individual people cannot be relied upon to make choices for the greater good in times of hardship. Consider the hoarding that continues to go on at the grocery stores. We didn't have a supply chain problem before, and now certain shelves site empty as the paranoid sit at home and look at their mountain of TP.

Yet, some people still complain when public health tells them to stay home, wash their hands, don't travel unnecessarily, and get their vaccines. The impingement on their personal freedom is just too much to bear.

Are you getting the east vs west mentality yet? (and by East I don't mean Toronto).

So you believe the Eastern method is better? Western civilization is inferior, in your opinion?

[EZM]

Personally, if the government asks me to wash my hands, keep social distancing and work from home if I can, then I don't really see an issue with my "personal freedoms" and simply want to contribute to making us all a little safer through this pandemic. Small sacrifice really. I think it's a reasonable request.

Maybe I'm a sheep but I really never connected my personal rights and freedoms being infringed upon for the greater good in this particular situation.

Maybe next week they will take away more of my freedoms and I will wear only a regulation grey uniform, live in block housing, be required to sing the national anthem and eat only gruel …….. but I really don't see what's happening now as one of those nefarious "slippery slopes" or anything like that.

This will pass and hopefully I've done my part and we can go back to normal soon enough.

[Twisted Canuck]

You guys are all pretty funny. Bunch of paranoid snowflakes.

The problem with the west is that every person and group thinks they're more important than the whole. Can't be inconvenienced to do anything on behalf of the group.

Might be time for everyone to recognize that we're all part of a bigger picture, and that making a few individual sacrifices isn't too much to ask in a time where a unified approach is required.

Will we have to call each other 'comrade'? Because I don't think I can do that for the greater good.

[grouse_hunter]

Will we have to call each other 'comrade'? Because I don't think I can do that for the greater good.

Swallow your Scotch and brace yourself for the new Canada... Socialism and its' current interpretation are the future of this pusillanimous periphery! The Canada of yesteryear is gone as are its' values. I hope that you've read Aynd Rands' Atlas Shrugged.

[Mr Flyguy]

I see everything coming back to normal after the plaque.

Yes, there will be a normal but in a different way, just like after 9/11.

[grouse_hunter]

BTW TC, in order to appease your masters: Kavelan Solist Olerosso Cask, 15 Year old Talisker and 1997 Jura boutique bottling ...

[grouse_hunter]

BTW TC, in order to appease your masters: Kavelan Solist Olerosso Cask, 15 Year old Talisker and 1997 Jura boutique bottling ...

Come on you wankers, Bruichladdy has given me fights moos. Any pictures of your daughters?

Full on nine inches of love. More if you're from EPS...

[pittman]

No, I don't think the East is better than the West, or West better than the East. Somehow many of those in the East are able to look beyond themselves and understand that at times small self-sacrifice may benefit the greater good.

What's discouraging is when a number of people who currently live in a country with legitimate freedom sit back and complain when the government takes action on behalf of the greater good. This certainly is a situation that the world has not seen in many many years.

So instead of claiming that your government is taking this as an opportunity to erode your civil liberties, remind yourself that they're taking measures that you wouldn't have otherwise to protect a vulnerable part of the population. Buck up.

[Mulehahn]

You guys are all pretty funny. Bunch of paranoid snowflakes.

The problem with the west is that every person and group thinks they're more important than the whole. Can't be inconvenienced to do anything on behalf of the group.

Might be time for everyone to recognize that we're all part of a bigger picture, and that making a few individual sacrifices isn't too much to ask in a time where a unified approach is required.

Goes both ways. If the group as a whole is paramount then why don't the vast majority just carry on with their lives. After all, the death rate is around 1%, of that it is mostle seniors. They should all just take one for the greater good, right? How selfish of them. Why shut down the economy, put people out of work, bankrupt businesses to save 1% when surely the other 99% as a group is more important!:snapoutofit:

I am in my late 30s, fairly fit. Never smoked. Most likely if I get it I will have a crappy 2 weeks. But I am isolating, keeping distance, never really ate out so that wasn't a big sacrifice but I haven't since this broke. So is everyone I know. Why? Because it is what is best for society.

[mrcrossbow]

I think there will be changes at the end of this, some for the better ( personal space for one and ppl being more health conscious) and some bad. Government as a general rule hates to give up power and they have alot of power right now, sort of like after 9/11 alot of emergency powers just stayed as permanent, its not me and my rights I fear for so much as my children's rights and how this will affect them later on and how they won't experience the freedoms I had, sad thought really

[A S D]

You don't see any tinfoil hat theories on this post? Let me select a few posts from above for you to review.

Keep in mind that at times there needs to be a unified effort to achieve an end that is in your countries best interest. Unfortunately individual people cannot be relied upon to make choices for the greater good in times of hardship. Consider the hoarding that continues to go on at the grocery stores. We didn't have a supply chain problem before, and now certain shelves site empty as the paranoid sit at home and look at their mountain of TP.

Yet, some people still complain when public health tells them to stay home, wash their hands, don't travel unnecessarily, and get their vaccines. The impingement on their personal freedom is just too much to bear.

Are you getting the east vs west mentality yet? (and by East I don't mean Toronto).


Funny that I have you think I have a tinfoil hat on. I have a friend from Bulgaria saying that we are moving towards the very thing he defected from.

Go talk to the oldtimers who lived through the crap I am concerned about. The communists tried to create a one world order.

Don't take your freedom for granted least you loose it. Head off any potential before it becomes a threat. Sticking your head in the sand like an ostrich and pretending that the potential does not exist does not eliminate the threat.

Germany was a democracy before the German people voted to give Hitler the power. That did not work out too well for the German people or the rest of the world. Nip it in the bud to avoid going down a similar road. It's precautionary.













Looks like a pretty big tinfoil hat to me. tinfoil hat or you just unwilling to face reality

[A S D]

You don't see any tinfoil hat theories on this post? Let me select a few posts from above for you to review.

Keep in mind that at times there needs to be a unified effort to achieve an end that is in your countries best interest. Unfortunately individual people cannot be relied upon to make choices for the greater good in times of hardship. Consider the hoarding that continues to go on at the grocery stores. We didn't have a supply chain problem before, and now certain shelves site empty as the paranoid sit at home and look at their mountain of TP.

Yet, some people still complain when public health tells them to stay home, wash their hands, don't travel unnecessarily, and get their vaccines. The impingement on their personal freedom is just too much to bear.

Are you getting the east vs west mentality yet? (and by East I don't mean Toronto).


Funny that I have you think I have a tinfoil hat on. I have a friend from Bulgaria saying that we are moving towards the very thing he defected from.

Go talk to the oldtimers who lived through the crap I am concerned about. The communists tried to create a one world order.

Don't take your freedom for granted least you loose it. Head off any potential before it becomes a threat. Sticking your head in the sand like an ostrich and pretending that the potential does not exist does not eliminate the threat.

Germany was a democracy before the German people voted to give Hitler the power. That did not work out too well for the German people or the rest of the world. Nip it in the bud to avoid going down a similar road. It's precautionary.













Looks like a pretty big tinfoil hat to me. really?

[A S D]

[QUOTE=pittman;4140270]You don't see any tinfoil hat theories on this post? Let me select a few posts from above for you to review.

Keep in mind that at times there needs to be a unified effort to achieve an end that is in your countries best interest. Unfortunately individual people cannot be relied upon to make choices for the greater good in times of hardship. Consider the hoarding that continues to go on at the grocery stores. We didn't have a supply chain problem before, and now certain shelves site empty as the paranoid sit at home and look at their mountain of TP.

Yet, some people still complain when public health tells them to stay home, wash their hands, don't travel unnecessarily, and get their vaccines. The impingement on their personal freedom is just too much to bear.

Are you getting the east vs west mentality yet? (and by East I don't mean Toronto).


Funny that I have you think I have a tinfoil hat on. I have a friend from Bulgaria saying that we are moving towards the very thing he defected from.

Go talk to the oldtimers who lived through the crap I am concerned about. The communists tried to create a one world order.

Don't take your freedom for granted least you loose it. Head off any potential before it becomes a threat. Sticking your head in the sand like an ostrich and pretending that the potential does not exist does not eliminate the threat.

Germany was a democracy before the German people voted to give Hitler the power. That did not work out too well for the German people or the rest of the world. Nip it in the bud to avoid going down a similar road. It's precautionary.

[pikergolf]

Lord the stress is getting to some.

[cody j]

No, I don't think the East is better than the West, or West better than the East. Somehow many of those in the East are able to look beyond themselves and understand that at times small self-sacrifice may benefit the greater good.

What's discouraging is when a number of people who currently live in a country with legitimate freedom sit back and complain when the government takes action on behalf of the greater good. This certainly is a situation that the world has not seen in many many years.

So instead of claiming that your government is taking this as an opportunity to erode your civil liberties, remind yourself that they're taking measures that you wouldn't have otherwise to protect a vulnerable part of the population. Buck up.

Yeah guys we need to be more like Quebec and look beyond ourselves

[bessiedog]

ASD.... or is it LSD...?

So

National emergency.... and your all Nash Nash fret fret.....

Bulgaria had NO checks and balances in place.... your quite ridiculous in your search for some sinister force here.

Yea.... Justinian tried a sly move.... guess what...? It got shot down


Go hide u der your bed with yer guns till this is all over...

[A S D]

[QUOTE=bessiedog;4140631]ASD.... or is it LSD...?

So

National emergency.... and your all Nash Nash fret fret.....

Bulgaria had NO checks and balances in place.... your quite ridiculous in your search for some sinister force here.

Yea.... Justinian tried a sly move.... guess what...? It got shot down


Go hide u der your bed with yer guns till this is all over...[/QUOTE.
Are you working on demonstrating how to be a *****

[Jims83cj5]

Lord the stress is getting to some.

Lol, I was just scrolling through this thinking” wow so this is cabin fever” then I read your post and actually laughed out loud as we thought the same thing, now my wife is sitting on the couch looking at me like I’m loonie toons

[RandyBoBandy]

I swear to gawd, there are new(returning banned camp) and mothballed "members" posting these days :)

[Sneeze]

My suggestion is to call your mla.

Tell them “I am not willing to sacrifice my children’s future for the health of my parents. My parents aren’t willing to either”

We need to go back to work.

[Jims83cj5]

I swear to gawd, there are new(returning banned camp) and mothballed "members" posting these days :)

How does anyone join with out this happening? A guy can join but not post? At some point an apology should be in order or the person accusing be banned, I certainly was here before, in 2002ish under the exact same name. I am sure the Mods will be searching for proof of this now and if they find nothing I hope they speak with you, I’m retired now and have the time to do this stuff. But have a great night and I’m sorry my 2 posts offended you even though I was sure they were both respectful and friendly,, edit,,,, I think from reading your post and a few of the others this is most likely not the place for me anyway, it certainly was different 20 years ago, good night and be well.

[RandyBoBandy]

How does anyone join with out this happening? A guy can join but not post? At some point an apology should be in order or the person accusing be banned, I certainly was here before, in 2002ish under the exact same name. I am sure the Mods will be searching for proof of this now and if they find nothing I hope they speak with you, I’m retired now and have the time to do this stuff. But have a great night and I’m sorry my 2 posts offended you even though I was sure they were both respectful and friendly

I wasn't talking about you...just go to the Covd-19 thread and this one...more resurrections than on Easter Day :sHa_sarcasticlol:

[bessiedog]

Are you working on demonstrating how to be a *****


No LSD.... I sincerely think you have a severely warped view of reality.

And you scare real easy.

Real easy.

[Lamburt]

Looks like a pretty big tinfoil hat to me.
Do you realize that our world is in a constant state of flux? Nothing lasts forever. Look at history: civilizations rise and fall, societies constantly change in terms of freedoms and rules, demographics constantly change as well as certain groups take over while others die out. For me and others to discuss what we think might be coming in the future is not a conspiracy theory. It's an interesting discussion where we use our knowledge of history and the present to try to predict what we think will happen. Maybe my predictions will be wrong, maybe they will be right. Time will tell. If you think nothing will change then you are certainly wrong.

[Twisted Canuck]

Swallow your Scotch and brace yourself for the new Canada... Socialism and its' current interpretation are the future of this pusillanimous periphery! The Canada of yesteryear is gone as are its' values. I hope that you've read Aynd Rands' Atlas Shrugged.

Scotch must be nosed, sipped, swished, and then trickle down to warm the belly....mmmmm....to do it properly.

And yes, Atlas Shrugged is a great read. Who is John Galt?

We live in interesting times.

[Roughneck12]

A contact in Toronto at the CBC told me that the War Measures Act will be enacted and the military is staging. I found that interesting.

[EZM]

A contact in Toronto at the CBC told me that the War Measures Act will be enacted and the military is staging. I found that interesting.

???

I know the military is calling up reservists to aid in communities that might need assistance.

But this could be anything from helping set up field response hospitals, to traffic control and to policing essential traffic orders for stay at home mandates, to helping the supply chain out, to helping police communities while police and first responders get far busier.

I think that's exactly what I'd want my military to be doing right now, wouldn't you?

I really don't see this as a "gateway to a government repressive state" - I see it as "common sense".

[elkhunter11]

A contact in Toronto at the CBC told me that the War Measures Act will be enacted and the military is staging. I found that interesting.

I find it interesting as well, since the War Measures Act was repealed in 1988.

[pittman]

Nothing fosters paranoia like paranoia.

The funny thing is, you guys will gripe that the borders weren't closed fast enough or travel wasn't restricted soon enough as soon as someone you know succumbs to this.

Then maybe you'll see the bigger picture. Realize that the country put aside the pursuit of money to prevent a few deaths.

You don't think the government would rather have you back at work? Making money, paying taxes? Or is this REALLY just a big conspiracy aimed at taking away your freedom...:thinking-006:

[Trochu]

Then maybe you'll see the bigger picture. Realize that the country put aside the pursuit of money to prevent a few deaths.

Oh, I see the big picture, and it's the government would never know, or blink, if my entire family was wiped out. Due to the Liberals actions over the last five years, I've come to the conclusion the government cares very little about the Nation. This is about optics with the end goal of getting re-elected. Have you noticed how our PM doesn't do anything until a few days after Trump, how it's the provinces closing schools and limiting gathering sizes, has the federal government done anything other than try to grab power and put together an aid package?

[bessiedog]

I’m not sure.

But the Liberals performance on this is terrible.

I’m not a fan of Kenny or Ford, but in this crisis.... they are doing far better than our Federal government.

We have no leadership in our actual leader.

There’s no way he could concoct a power grab.....and effectively execute it.

[pikergolf]

Oh, I see the big picture, and it's the government would never know, or blink, if my entire family was wiped out. Due to the Liberals actions over the last five years, I've come to the conclusion the government cares very little about the Nation. This is about optics with the end goal of getting re-elected. Have you noticed how our PM doesn't do anything until a few days after Trump, how it's the provinces closing schools and limiting gathering sizes, has the federal government done anything other than try to grab power and put together an aid package?

I feel sorry for people that are this Jaded,horrible way to go through life.

[Trochu]

I feel sorry for people that are this Jaded,horrible way to go through life.

What's so jaded and horrible about it? You think the Prime Minster will be attending my funeral or notice I'm gone? I sure don't, and I'm okay with that, wouldn't expect him to. You really think the Prime Minster has the entire nation's interest in mind when he makes decisions? I sure don't and feel his track record more than speaks to that fact. I don't think it's jaded at all, just honest, realistic observation.

[pikergolf]

What's so jaded and horrible about it? You think the Prime Minster will be attending my funeral or notice I'm gone? I sure don't, and I'm okay with that, wouldn't expect him to. You really think the Prime Minster has the entire nation's interest in mind when he makes decisions? I sure don't and feel his track record more than speaks to that fact. I don't think it's jaded at all, just honest, realistic observation.

My opinion is that it is very jaded. He's incompetent yes, but he's not cold.

[pittman]

So what do you all think is actually going on here then? The government is using this as a ploy to steal your freedom? That no one actually cares who dies?

The reality is that we're faced with a virus that has the potential to kill about 1% of the population. This number can increase if the health care system is swamped as the resources won't be available to care for the ones that could have been saved.

That is the only thing any one in politics is working on right now. That 1% is likely your parents, grandparents, or maybe you if you have high blood pressure, smoke, or are overweight.

If they're not working for YOU right now, who are they working for?

[elkhunter11]

So what do you all think is actually going on here then? The government is using this as a ploy to steal your freedom? That no one actually cares who dies?

The reality is that we're faced with a virus that has the potential to kill about 1% of the population. This number can increase if the health care system is swamped as the resources won't be available to care for the ones that could have been saved.

That is the only thing any one in politics is working on right now. That 1% is likely your parents, grandparents, or maybe you if you have high blood pressure, smoke, or are overweight.

If they're not working for YOU right now, who are they working for?
I believe that in most cases, you are correct in that the priority is protecting the citizens from this virus, but I also believe that certain people , including our PM are using this crisis to pursue a personal agenda.

[pittman]

I believe that in most cases, you are correct in that the priority is protecting the citizens from this virus, but I also believe that certain people , including our PM are using this crisis to pursue a personal agenda.

Such as?

[elkhunter11]

Such as?

Such as the liberals proposing a bill that would give them the right to bypass parliament, to do whatever they please concerning spending and taxation until the end of 2021. They didn't get away with it, but they used the crisis to try.

[WillyOneStyle]

Our ancestors gave up their lives fighting for freedom. We give up our freedom hoping the government will keep us safe from a bad flu.

The writing is on the wall. Our way of life is changing and we won't be going back, at least not without a bloody war.

Well this thread became an interesting read...

I thought it was interesting that the thread went in a new direction after this post because it included the phrase "The Writing Is on The Wall"

The phrase originates in the book of Danial. As it goes, the King of Babylon, Belshazzar, was having a feast and wanted to drink from the finest vessels. He ordered the sacred hebrew vessels that he'd looted be brought to him and they drank from them. A ghostly hand appeared and wrote a message on the wall: Number Number Weight Division.

No one could understand the message so the prophet Danial was brought in to interpret. He explained that the message meant that the Kingdom was about to fall because they had disgraced God. That night Belshazzar was slain and the kingdom overthrown by Darius The Mede.

There is some historical accuracy here as Cyrus the great and his successors (like Darius) did indeed battle and over throw all of the kingdoms from Egypt to Aisia, creating the Persian Empire.

Lots of good movies about these events, 300, etc.

[igorot]

I swear to gawd, there are new(returning banned camp) and mothballed "members" posting these days :)

Nope there are no body outside so blocking the train track is out :sHa_sarcasticlol:

Its time to recruit new member and he also brought some of his buddies to stir the pot:sign0161:

Same as everybody else they have to have activities in order for the funding to keep coming:scared0018: