Poodles as gun dogs

[Oldguy]

Hi--
We're looking for a dog that we can use for hunting--particularly for retrieving ducks, but possibly for grouse as well. The catch is that we need something hypoallergenic, because some family members get wheezy with some dogs.
Poodles pass muster on the allergy question, and I know they were originally hunting dogs--but are they still hunters, or has that been bred out by now?
Other relevant info: We're first-time dog owners, live in the city but with large fenced yard, and have an 11-year-old son.
Anybody have any experience hunting with poodles or training them to retrieve?

[mac_xi@hotmail.com]

I am not sure about poodles....

but I hear 11 year old sons are great at retreiving ducks and grouse!!

:evilgrin:

[bsnyder]

:lol:Poodles for hunting dogs?????:lol: Sorry, I think there is a gun dog that has short curly hair and looks kinda like a brown lab.Cant think of the name , maybe water terrier ??????? ( cant remember, crap ) probably low on the alergee tree.Check the Internet:)

[CBRHunter]

Sorry, I think there is a gun dog that has short curly hair and looks kinda like a brown lab.Cant think of the name , maybe water terrier ???????

Do you mean Chesapeake Bay Retrievers?... Cause their ain't no better hunting dog:tongue2:.

On ESPN's 5 worst dog dock competions a poodle was at number 1. It wouldn't jump in the water, so the handle jumped in instead.:lol:

Sorry no real advice though!

Dustin

[Bushmaster]

A friend of mine from Ontario (since deceased) used to come to Alberta every year and camp out at the Hayter campground. He was accompanied by a standard poodle and that dog was the retrievenest dog you've ever seen !! Wouldn't be tellin' this story unless I had seen it with my own eys....!!

[Donny Bear]

There are a number of breeders for hunting which was the original purpose !

ed@marshandglen.com

[Battery]

:lol:Poodles for hunting dogs?????:lol: Sorry, I think there is a gun dog that has short curly hair and looks kinda like a brown lab.Cant think of the name , maybe water terrier ??????? ( cant remember, crap ) probably low on the alergee tree.Check the Internet:)

Portuguese water dogs are supposed to be great gun dogs. They are curly hair and hypoallergenic. that could be the one you are thinking of. Really nice looking dogs, we we're looking at one, but somehow went from a hunting dog to a damn miniature schnauzer :lol: :wave:

Battery

[Bushmaster]

My friend explained to me that was the purpose of the funny/stupid haircuts given to poodles....actually very usefull. The hair was left on all the joints to keep them warm in the water.

[catnthehat]

My friend explained to me that was the purpose of the funny/stupid haircuts given to poodles....actually very usefull. The hair was left on all the joints to keep them warm in the water.

Yup, actually a traditional huntign cut, and the hunters used to tie a big streamer on the top knot to keep track of them in big water.
The Standards can still be great retrievers....
Cat

[bsnyder]

:wave:Sorry, I just couldnt see myself dressed up in my greens and reds , out looking for a pheasent , gun at the ready following a white puffed up ,pink bows a gleeming, tipetoeing POODLE.:lol:Sure wouldnt want anyone else to see ya:oTry the Portgegese Water Dog, much more Mannly

[Donny Bear]

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/escanabajimmer/Poodle.jpg
Marsh & Glen Kennels and Guide Service



KODI

Brown Standard Poodle Male whelped 06/17/2003

HR Ben-Cher’s Kodiak Brown Bear SH, WC, WCX



Kodi’s style in retrieving is remarkable. His coat has “cleared” to a gunmetal gray/brown. He weighs about 68 pounds and is 24” at the shoulders. Kodi is thick in body and chest which makes him a strong swimmer and upland hunter. He has a strong desire to retrieve. He will often outrun our Labrador to get the downed game, but he shows and intelligent and disciplined approach for flushing.



Kodi hunts waterfowl and upland game enthusiastically. He is one of 18 standard poodles that holds a SH (Senior Hunter) title in AKC and HR (Hunting Retriever) in UKC. Kodi also holds Poodle Club of America titles of WC and WCX. (Working Certificate and Working Certificate Excellent) Kodi currently holds 3 p***** toward a 4-pass requirement for his HRCH (Hunting Retriever Champion) title in UKC. We hope to earn that title within the next few months.



Kodi’s temperament is wonderful. He is a very sweet boy. He visits nursing homes and is gentle with our grandchildren. He loves to be petted. Our friend said, “You could pet the hair off that dog. He will not move until you are done petting.”



The breeding pool for Standard Poodles is small. Kodi’s COI (coefficient of inbreeding) is very low. (This is a good thing.) All blood testing is complete.



AKC Reg. No. PR02508301

OFA PO-EL388M25-Pl

OFA PO-14405G25M-Pl

CERF POS-4455/2005—25

DNA V373260

AMGL NE Normal

Thyroid Normal

Addison’s Normal

SA Normal

vWD Normal

[u_cant_rope_the_wind]

Hi--
We're looking for a dog that we can use for hunting--particularly for retrieving ducks, but possibly for grouse as well. The catch is that we need something hypoallergenic, because some family members get wheezy with some dogs.
Poodles pass muster on the allergy question, and I know they were originally hunting dogs--but are they still hunters, or has that been bred out by now?
Other relevant info: We're first-time dog owners, live in the city but with large fenced yard, and have an 11-year-old son.
Anybody have any experience hunting with poodles or training them to retrieve?

thats ok let them all laugh
yer question is as good as any on here
I had a dentist in spruce grove that was into the feild trials thing wth his lab
he was saying there was a guy in their club that used a poodle and it was the tuffest dog to beat
if i remeber rt they practice and train just east of edmonton on hwy 16 and north along the river in those gravel pits there
you might want to go check it out some time when they are training

[catnthehat]

:wave:Sorry, I just couldnt see myself dressed up in my greens and reds , out looking for a pheasent , gun at the ready following a white puffed up ,pink bows a gleeming, tipetoeing POODLE.:lol:Sure wouldnt want anyone else to see ya:oTry the Portgegese Water Dog, much more Mannly

By "big water" , I meant the OCEAN!!:lol:
However, I wouldn't be caught DEAD with a bow in my dawg's hair, nope!
Cat

[bsnyder]

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/escanabajimmer/Poodle.jpg
Marsh & Glen Kennels and Guide Service



KODI

Brown Standard Poodle Male whelped 06/17/2003

HR Ben-Cher’s Kodiak Brown Bear SH, WC, WCX



Kodi’s style in retrieving is remarkable. His coat has “cleared” to a gunmetal gray/brown. He weighs about 68 pounds and is 24” at the shoulders. Kodi is thick in body and chest which makes him a strong swimmer and upland hunter. He has a strong desire to retrieve. He will often outrun our Labrador to get the downed game, but he shows and intelligent and disciplined approach for flushing.



Kodi hunts waterfowl and upland game enthusiastically. He is one of 18 standard poodles that holds a SH (Senior Hunter) title in AKC and HR (Hunting Retriever) in UKC. Kodi also holds Poodle Club of America titles of WC and WCX. (Working Certificate and Working Certificate Excellent) Kodi currently holds 3 p***** toward a 4-pass requirement for his HRCH (Hunting Retriever Champion) title in UKC. We hope to earn that title within the next few months.



Kodi’s temperament is wonderful. He is a very sweet boy. He visits nursing homes and is gentle with our grandchildren. He loves to be petted. Our friend said, “You could pet the hair off that dog. He will not move until you are done petting.”



The breeding pool for Standard Poodles is small. Kodi’s COI (coefficient of inbreeding) is very low. (This is a good thing.) All blood testing is complete.



AKC Reg. No. PR02508301

OFA PO-EL388M25-Pl

OFA PO-14405G25M-Pl

CERF POS-4455/2005—25

DNA V373260

AMGL NE Normal

Thyroid Normal

Addison’s Normal

SA Normal

vWD Normal

:o WOW, I stand corrected, Im impressed:ashamed:Still not my kind of dog but very interesting:)

[troller]

:o WOW, I stand corrected, Im impressed:ashamed:Still not my kind of dog but very interesting:)

I was surprised too, especially when I saw this quote "Join me as you see and read about an owner of three hunting poodles who went from "nothing but Labs" to "hooked on Poodles."" :D

http://www.lakelandhuntingpoodles.com/

[live2bout]

I grew up in southern Manitoba, among other places, and we had a standard poodle for 13 years. He retrieved ducks and flushed grouse and chickens(sharptails in Manitoba vernacular), awesome family dog. Standard poodles are not soft dogs, as least ours wasn't. He was 80 pounds and protective, also not overly social with other large dogs.

Standard poodle lines can differ dramatically as a few breeders look to maintain dogs with sporting purpose but breed has been all about show for long period. Some breeders are now looking at sporting purpose. Size varies greatly among standard poodles as the breed standard classifies any dog over 15 inches as a standard poodle and sizes go up to 27 inches(that I've seen).

The upside is also the downside. The coat that doesn't shed is great and not that hard to upkeep but that downy fine hair also catches burrs and such like crazy. I remember 2 hour grooming sessions occasionally necessary following a day afield with Dad cursing never again but dog lived for it (the field) so kept going. That being said as I sweep dog hair constantly I sometimes think "maybe a poodle again someday".

[Whiskey Wish]

WOW ! Excellent post. It is always great to learn something new. I remember hearing and reading that Standard Poodles were originally bred as water dogs but this is the first proof or local dogs I have ever seen.
I think it would be cool to own a working Standard Poodle both for the uniqueness (word?) and because of the health benefits for your family. I say go for it.
As for a ribbon in the hair....I have to hang orange survey ribbon on my HeelerXCollie every fall because she looks so much like a coyote. I know that no real hunter would ever shoot her but there are gun totin' wanna be's driving by all the time.
On the topic of breeds losing their original purpose, a number of years ago I was visiting with an older German fellow visiting his family here in Canada. My German is stale so I was having some difficulty following his conversation although I knew it had something to do with the German Sheperd dog of his son's that I was petting. His grown son translated for me and what he was asking was this..." What have you done to the breed here in North America? All they do here is bite people and guard property." When I said I did not follow his line he said further that " In Germany they work as their name suggests...they are Sheperds, they work livestock as well as guard property."
I had to admit I had never seen a German Sheperd work livestock here. :confused:
I must admit that I have the feeling that German Sheperds have been "modified" out of favour and seem to have shrunk considerably in my lifetime.

Keep Your Powder Dry
Dave.

[m88.358wn]

Amazing!:lol:

[buckbrushoutdoors]

WOW ! Excellent post. It is always great to learn something new. I remember hearing and reading that Standard Poodles were originally bred as water dogs but this is the first proof or local dogs I have ever seen.
I think it would be cool to own a working Standard Poodle both for the uniqueness (word?) and because of the health benefits for your family. I say go for it.
As for a ribbon in the hair....I have to hang orange survey ribbon on my HeelerXCollie every fall because she looks so much like a coyote. I know that no real hunter would ever shoot her but there are gun totin' wanna be's driving by all the time.
On the topic of breeds losing their original purpose, a number of years ago I was visiting with an older German fellow visiting his family here in Canada. My German is stale so I was having some difficulty following his conversation although I knew it had something to do with the German Sheperd dog of his son's that I was petting. His grown son translated for me and what he was asking was this..." What have you done to the breed here in North America? All they do here is bite people and guard property." When I said I did not follow his line he said further that " In Germany they work as their name suggests...they are Sheperds, they work livestock as well as guard property."
I had to admit I had never seen a German Sheperd work livestock here. :confused:
I must admit that I have the feeling that German Sheperds have been "modified" out of favour and seem to have shrunk considerably in my lifetime.

Keep Your Powder Dry
Dave.








i had a pure bred german sherpard growing up on the farm and it was the best cattle dog we ever had the only thing she couldnt chase was sheep she was scared sh*tless of them ahaha, we found her one morning 10 miles away with the sheep walking down a road and when we pulled up she just kinda turned her head to look back at us and kinda say sorry guys i tried, i will alway remeber that

[Alkap]

Hey just thought i would say that you should look into a labradoodle its half lab and half poodle been looking into getting one myself...they are also hypoallergenic and are really good swimmers you can find breeders in Calgary too

[huntinstuff]

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[Donny Bear]

Hey just thought i would say that you should look into a labradoodle its half lab and half poodle been looking into getting one myself...they are also hypoallergenic and are really good swimmers you can find breeders in Calgary too

I have yet to see evidence of any being bred with good hunting stock on both sides, Labraodoodle translated is expensive mut AKA designer dog or what was called an accident and had ticked breeders calling neighbors telling them to keep their dog on a leash :lol::lol:

I do not doubt that they could be great hunters if bred for the purpose. JMHO

[ACKLEY ABE]

Not sure what the old German guy was talking about......Sure German Shepards were used as shepards, but he obviously forgot who first used the breed for protection, police and military work.....that wouldve been the Germans. Seems he has a selective memory.

FRENCH POODLE for hunting. Sounds like a great idea. Thats what they were originally bred for in GERMANY. Standard Poodle is an intellegent, friendly dog, that when trained for the field do fine work. Don't know why there are so many chukles here, except people don't know. Their is a reason for that type of clip as well, for hunting perposes, although without the ribbons and bows. Portugese Water dog (now unfortunatly made famous by Obama) can have a similar clip

In Europe both of these dogs are known as fine hunting and water dogs.

[triple b]

Our family has a small black poodle (well mostly poodle anyway) that is excellent at fetching. The first four years that we owned her she was terrified of gun fire.For reasons unknown to us she has recently lost that fear and has started to return everything that we shoot.So far this summer we have practiced with gophers and magpies and she has retrieved all of them and dropped them at our feet.She is constantly flushing birds and never goes further than 20 yards from me.I cant wait for ruffie season to start so I can see the look on the guys faces.

[Bobby B.]

Standard poodles are intelligent, athletic dogs more than capable of holding their own out in the field. Some might confuse standard poodles as being the same temperment as the little spoiled, barking rats commonly known as minature poodles. Standard poodles are very capable hunting dogs and should never be lumped in with Grandma's little prince or princess minature poodle. You can place money on that one.

Bobby B.

[milesfromthere]

Had an old roommate who" inherited" a poodle we kinda all laughed untel we saw it run, i think only a grey hound out run her. so fast and loved to fetch.

[Oldguy]

Well, we now have a poodle puppy. She's 8 weeks old, so all her parts aren't entirely coordinated yet, but she seems happy, as are we. So far she doesn't show any signs of retrieving--but yesterday she pointed a tennis ball in my back yard, which is encouraging. I'll report progress in a year or two.

[Okotokian]

There is no such thing as a truly hypoallergenic dog. Some are just MORE hypo than others, and allergy impact also depends on the individual. A "more hypoallergenic" dog is one that ideally doesn't shed, has low dander, doesn't bark much so doesn't spray a lot of saliva, and most, but not all, are smaller dogs(assume that less body surface helps). The poodle is certainly on the list. I'll aver to the judgement of others as to a poodle's hunting capabilities as I've never seen one hunt. Very few traditional hunting dogs make the "hypoallergenic" list (double coats are apparently definitely out). One that does and is mentioned above is the Portuguese Water Dog. Would be a good retriever, not sure about the grouse (a flusher I assume). Irish Water Spaniel is another.

one other thing to ponder... I would think that hunting activities, diving into sloughs, running through bush, etc. would really up the allergy potential, so you would really have to dry clean that pooch before you brought him home. Perhaps check some allergy support groups and see if anyone hunts with a dog. It's amazing what you can find online these days.

[ex811]

A popular versatile gun dog in Europe is the Poodlepointer, think there are some NAVHDA Poodlepointers in Ontario.

[Okotokian]

A popular versatile gun dog in Europe is the Poodlepointer, think there are some NAVHDA Poodlepointers in Ontario.

True enough, but as a cross it's supposed "hypoallerenic" qualities would be decreased somewhat.

[thumper]

There's some Pudelpointers in Alberta, but I don't know of any local breeders. My Pudelpointer was a 'fair' retriever but excellent upland dog. He looked (and shed) like a German WireHair and although my wife wasn't as allergic to him as she is towards labradors - he certianly wasn't hypoallergenic.
He lived to be 14 years of age -we still miss him terribly after 3 years gone.

My wife now has a multigenerational Labradoodle. A great dog - around 35lbs, smart, biddable and nonallergenic. However, it doesn't like the water and so my plans for it hunting ducks are not to be realized. Nice house dog though.

If I was in the market for a nonallergenic hunting dog - I'd take a close look at the Portuguese Water Dog.

[Versatile]

If you want a pointer look into a PudelPointer. They were created using the top English Pointers and the Top German Water Poodles in the day.