wheres the line drawn for baiting deer??

[moosehunter3-0]

buck bomb, scent sticks, buck urine, doe estress, mock scrapes, you get the picture.
considered baiting? vote online tonight :wave:

[lynx]

buck bomb, scent sticks, buck urine, doe estress, mock scrapes, you get the picture.
considered baiting? vote online tonight :wave:

Yes it is I think but its legal lol.

[huntinstuff]

Lures, not bait;)

[jaylow?]

i find it to be a grey area. on one hand im not a big fan of baiting big game with food....minus bears, but i dont really find the attractants to be a big deal. i think im fairly conflicted with this:confused:....but really, whats it matter in the long run. if the province puts out so many tags, then what the hell does it matter how you take that tag?

[bingo1010]

you do make a good point jay, what is the difference between baiting bears and deer? i struggle with that one myself.

[TBark]

wheres the line drawn for baiting deer??

AB / Sask boarder LOL.

TBark

[Albertahog]

wheres the line drawn for baiting deer??

AB / Sask boarder LOL.

TBark x2 Right on the money:lol::lol::lol:

[Grizzly Adams]

Lures, not bait;)

Reminds me of Clinton's famous quote, I did not have sex with that woman.:lol:

Grizz

[lynx]

wheres the line drawn for baiting deer??

AB / Sask boarder LOL.

TBark

Nope its

Sk/AB/BC

[NFTrapper]

What does everyone think of the product "Grim's Monster Mix"

http://www.thehuntingchronicles.com/sponsors.html#

Bait or Lure? I don't even thin the Wildlife Cop's can even know.

Just putting it out there.

[lynx]

What does everyone think of the product "Grim's Monster Mix"

http://www.thehuntingchronicles.com/sponsors.html#

Bait or Lure? I don't even thin the Wildlife Cop's can even know.

Just putting it out there.

It has a lot of the stuff you can find in salt blocks. That is baiting to me.

[mtylerb]

From: http://www.canlii.org/eliisa/highlight.do?language=en&searchTitle=Search+all+CanLII+Databases&path=/en/ab/laws/stat/rsa-2000-c-w-10/latest/rsa-2000-c-w-10.html

Item 2
Items prohibited for hunting big game

1 Ammunition of less than .23 calibre.

2 Ammunition that contains non‑expanding bullets.

3 An autoloading firearm that has a capacity of more than 5 cartridges in the magazine.

4 A shotgun having a gauge of .410 or less.

5 Any bait consisting of a food attractant, including a mineral and any representation of a food attractant.

6 Any arrow other than an arrow that has a tip that bears a head that

(a) is not intentionally designed to resist being withdrawn after it has penetrated an object, and

(b) is either

(i) a solid, sharp cutting head of at least 7/8 inch in width, or

(ii) a head that, when the arrow impacts, opens to present sharp cutting edges at least 7/8 inch in width.

6.1 Any cross-bow that requires less than 100 pounds of pull to draw the string or cable to its cocked position.

7 Any bow other than

(a) a cross-bow that requires 100 pounds or more of pull to draw the string or cable to its cocked position, or

(b) a bow that

(i) is held, drawn and released by muscular power, and

(ii) requires a pull of at least 40 pounds to draw an arrow 28 inches in length to its head.

8 A muzzle‑loading firearm of less than .44 calibre.

9 Any trap that could be used to hunt big game.

It says right in the regs, any food attractant. Estrus isn't a food, or so I would hope. Salt is a mineral. I think it's laid out pretty clear. So anything the animal would eat or any replications of something the animal would eat is prohibited.

[moosehunter3-0]

From: http://www.canlii.org/eliisa/highlight.do?language=en&searchTitle=Search+all+CanLII+Databases&path=/en/ab/laws/stat/rsa-2000-c-w-10/latest/rsa-2000-c-w-10.html



It says right in the regs, any food attractant. Estrus isn't a food, or so I would hope. Salt is a mineral. I think it's laid out pretty clear. So anything the animal would eat or any replications of something the animal would eat is prohibited.

that makes sense,so seeing bear scents resemble food they qualify as bait as well.

[NFTrapper]

So, say if I have an attractant out in the bush, and have a tree stand near, and was to shot an animal on its way to the attractant (not at it, but heading in that general direction), is that still considered baiting?

Sorry for the questions, but this baiting argument has me confused. So is shooting elk on a cut field that has bails left on it, would that be considered baiting... where do you draw the line?

[lynx]

So, say if I have an attractant out in the bush, and have a tree stand near, and was to shot an animal on its way to the attractant (not at it, but heading in that general direction), is that still considered baiting?

Sorry for the questions, but this baiting argument has me confused. So is shooting elk on a cut field that has bails left on it, would that be considered baiting... where do you draw the line?

I would say NO because you are not at the attractant. Its no different than a animal heading to a farmers bin for loose grain on the ground.

Many farmers some years have to pile their grain in the field because the bins are full or whatever. many deer head to that pile. That is not baiting because he couldn't move the grain. The pile is on his field and your on the neighbors where the deer bed down????

Bad weather , machine break downs and crop left out, not harvested, is that baiting??? So many gray areas.

Bales and elk feeding on them is not baiting to me.

They should just allow it like Sask and BC and problem solved, then if you want to bait do so and if not don't. Leave it up the the hunter. my thoughts

[75ft Arborist]

So you can use bait as long as you are not hunting :rolleyes: What if i went back the next day and there was still some bait left over and im hunting this time. Hmmm sounds like another grey area!

[crazyfish]

A friend has a mineral lick on his quarter, (great for trail cam pics ) don't add anything after the spring, but they still come, is that bad ?

[75ft Arborist]

Unless they redo the regs stating that you cant hunt food plots, or areas where bait has been previously set then there is a way to get around it. Even then what if you stumbled onto an area that had been baited by someone else. Well they should just make it legal so as not to confuse anyone :innocent:

[whitetail Junkie]

I could'nt be bothered useing bait.I think that you should'nt be allowed to bait deer or bears or anything.I know alot of people do it,espicially in saskatchewan where baiting deer is legal and I'm happy that your not allowed to bait deer in alberta.Hunting deer over bait is a good way to KILL an animal,but not a great way to hunt an animal!

[catnthehat]

It's pretty simple, and the only grey areas are ones that people suppose are just that, but there is none to my way of thinking, nor the law's.
Scent is legal, bait ( as in stuff they eat) is not.
As far as bears go, you can bait them, any comparison to deer is not valid to Alberta law as it is written, they are two different animals.
Cat

[mtylerb]

So you can use bait as long as you are not hunting :rolleyes: What if i went back the next day and there was still some bait left over and im hunting this time. Hmmm sounds like another grey area!

The Act just refers to it in the following manner:

Hunting of Particular Kinds of Animals

Prohibited equipment and other items

40(1) A person shall not set out, use or have in the person’s possession for the purpose of hunting big game anything described in Item 2 of the Schedule.

(2) A person shall not have in the person’s possession while hunting big game anything described in the Schedule that is prescribed.

Once I leave the house, I'd class myself as "hunting". If I'm just scouting, there aren't any guns near me and no way for me to hunt. Once I leave for a trip to actually hunt, though, I'll leave the bait at home.

[albertadave]

So you can use bait as long as you are not hunting :rolleyes: What if i went back the next day and there was still some bait left over and im hunting this time. Hmmm sounds like another grey area!
Nothing grey about that statement. 100% baiting, 100% illegal.

[duffy4]

Most often with a "regulation" there is the factor of "intent".

You probably know what your "intent" is. The Enforcement officer has his idea of what your "intent" was and the judge can make his ruling based on what he desides your "intent" was.

I sit in a ground blind one day and eat my lunch and throw an apple core away. Next morning a deer walks out in front of me and stops to eat the apple core. Was I baiting?

I sit in a ground blind one day and before I leave I dump a dozen apples on the ground in front of my stand. Next day I shoot a deer as it stops to eat the apples. Was I baiting?

There was no intent to bait in the first case but there was in the second.

If a land owner says to his buddies "I think I will leave a round of alfalfa uncut along the north 40 so I can kill a big buck there this fall. He has intent.

If his tractor breaks down and he cannot finish cutting his field, he can hunt there with no intent of baiting.

[mtylerb]

Most often with a "regulation" there is the factor of "intent".

...

+1, the court is going to look for "mens rea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea)" which is Latin for guilty mind. That is where the difference is in the law:

... for the purpose of hunting ...

Either your purpose is to go out and bait that deer, or it is to go out and hunt that deer. Only you really know what your purpose is, but it doesn't take much to build sufficient evidence to make it look like you had a guilty mind.

[kayaker]

'Food or representation of food' = bait, simple.

Therefore sexual attractants are not bait, something that smells like food is a bait.

You could argue that a squeal call represents a food animal, buts its not a phyiscal or mineral representation.

[huntin]

If a land owner says to his buddies "I think I will leave a round of alfalfa uncut along the north 40 so I can kill a big buck there this fall. He has intent.

If his tractor breaks down and he cannot finish cutting his field, he can hunt there with no intent of baiting.

it is not illegal to plant a food plot or leave a strip of hay / grain in the field no matter what your intent is next year i plan on having at least 40acers of oats/ peas left for the deer, moose, bears, whatever wants it and i will probaly shoot a big buck off it and then so will my wife but then the deer have lots of healthy food for the winter after hunting season and then i can find their sheds in my field my intent is to bring the deer in and keep them there. not baiting because it was planted not placed

[75ft Arborist]

Hmmm well i have placed corn at a tree camera to see what type of big game is in the area. As i am not hunting that is legal. But come hunting season i will be going back to that area with the intent on killing big game. There is still some corn left after 2 weeks, (small niblets). Since i am not putting anymore down as i have moved my camera, how far will the law go to prosecute me for baiting? There will clearly be over a month since bait has been placed in that area!

[75ft Arborist]

This guy loves the corn, but im not after bear :(

[duffy4]

it is not illegal to plant a food plot or leave a strip of hay / grain in the field no matter what your intent is next year i plan on having at least 40acers of oats/ peas left for the deer, moose, bears, whatever wants it and i will probaly shoot a big buck off it and then so will my wife but then the deer have lots of healthy food for the winter after hunting season and then i can find their sheds in my field my intent is to bring the deer in and keep them there. not baiting because it was planted not placed

Not sure I agree with you. If you are planting something to attract game and you intend to hunt them, I would say that is a "food plot" or a planted bait.

"set out" may have different interpretations.

[huntin]

Not sure I agree with you. If you are planting something to attract game and you intend to hunt them, I would say that is a "food plot" or a planted bait.

"set out" may have different interpretations.

it is defenitly a food polt but where in the regulations does it say you can not plant food plots.

[lynx]

it is defenitly a food polt but where in the regulations does it say you can not plant food plots.


A food plot, if that is what you want to call it or a garden,or a crop, who cares. Plant what you want. I have seen ( I will use the word PLOT) areas left for the wildlife and no wildlife comes to them. Plots are not illegal. Placing food out on top of the ground is in the hunting season illegal

You can bait bear right??? Well bear love grain in the fall before they hibernate. If a deer comes to the grain just dont shoot it at the grain. If you know of a trail going to the grain and can not see the pile are you legal. I think so..

Deer and elk love sow thistle, and dandelions. Who plants that? A great plot if you see a patch of it growing. Natures PLOT.

I believe that hunting over bait there will be less wounded animals because there is more time for shot placement. Big bucks dont come for bait often, it can happen, but not often.

they grain feed cattle for a better taste.... grain fed deer mmmmmm.

My thoughts

By the way a CO told me comere deer is illegal How would you even see the liquid type on the ground that is sprayed around?? Does it work?

[albertadave]

By the way a CO told me comere deer is illegal How would you even see the liquid type on the ground that is sprayed around??
You probably wouldn't, but what's your point?

[lynx]

You probably wouldn't, but what's your point?

My point is that some may be using it for bait when its illegal? Why its illegal I dont know, just what I was told.

I even wonder if it works?

[xring_assassin]

I have NO idea why baiting is illegal in Alberta...yet food plots and hunting areas deer normally feed IS legal. I hunt around farm country where there are HUGE fields of alfalfa (sp?) and fied peas. The deer literally DROOL over those field peas, they're SUPPOSE to be a good cattle feed, but the farmer can't keep the deer out of it...he plans on NEVER doing field peas again, yet...you KNOW where my treestands will be this year! I see absolutely NO difference between hunting a planted field and laid out bucket of c'mere deer.

Personally - the smart old bugger of a whitetail I've been after for the last two years has eluded me with his NOSE - I seriosuly doubt his stomach would outsmart that sniffer. I'd suspect I could harvest an additional doe with easre over bait - but those smart old mossy backed critters - I really REALLY doubt bait would be any significant advantage when hunting trophy class animals.

My vote is make it legal - let the shop owners sell it without the hassle and make a few more $$ off the idiots who think it's going to work better for them.

My "food plots" didn't cost me a thing, unless you count the box of chocolates I take to the farmer at Christmas every year for letting me on his land, and they bring the deer in, year after year.

[mikerat]

So can you have bait out in front of a trail camera ahead of hunting season and take it away before the season starts?

[moosehunter3-0]

So can you have bait out in front of a trail camera ahead of hunting season and take it away before the season starts?

If theres no bait in front of you while hunitng you arent baiting, just stop putting it out during the season. Ive never used bait period I was just curious about the scent sticks.