O’Toole Pledges to Repeal Trudeau’s Attacks Against Gun Owners as PM

[IronNoggin]

O’Toole Pledges to Repeal Trudeau’s Attacks Against Gun Owners as PM


“An O’Toole government will repeal C-71, C-21 and the May 2020 Order in Council,” O’Toole said in the Facebook video. “I will review existing firearms legislation to ensure it focuses on dealing with criminals rather than making life more difficult for law-abiding firearms owners.”

“The extent to which the Trudeau Liberals are willing to go to divide Canadians is disappointing and dangerous.”

https://thegunblog.ca/2021/02/23/otoole-pledges-to-repeal-trudeaus-attacks-against-gun-owners-as-pm/

[huntinstuff]

As usual......

Otoole needs to get out more. Most Canadians dont even know who he is

[Snowdog2112]

Power to him if he wants to do some good. I'm just disheartened how fast most people have let this go.

[huntwat]

He has to do something to please the torontonians. He’s not going to lose any votes, unless it’s to the Mavericks.

[7magtime]

Good to know his stance but why did it take him so long to speak up about this while law abiding firearms owners were getting bbq’d?? :thinking-006:

[Roadhunter]

That is what I have always thought, why is the Tool not been dragging the Turd through the mud since day one. I hate when the Cons call me ever week asking for money and we never see anything positive that they are contemplating. Ri g up all the scandals that have gone on and make it MSM. I will open my cheque book. I want someone who will go on the attack!
It is frustrating.

[glen moa]

It’s about winning the election. Do what ever it’s takes. Get Trudeau out.

[Twisted Canuck]

As soon as a politician utters the hateful Liberal phrase 'let me be clear', there is a 100% chance that they are lying. Trudeau, Freeland, and every member of the liberal Cabinet tosses that one out when they are non-answering a question and lying. Seeing O'Toole do it just confirms what I already think. Can't link the video currently, but it's not worth watching him lie anyway.

[HyperMOA]

Honestly, if he won and undoes this; unless he will enshrine it as a charter right there is no sense backing him. It may delay the inevitable, but that isn’t good enough for me. Western separation is our only chance at fair and equitable firearms laws. So if he won’t enshrine firearms constitutionally I will only support separatists. I hope the rest of you do to so you don’t split the vote with conservative lite lite lite lite lite lite.

[mediumrare]

After booting Sloan and demoting polievre I’m convinced O’Toole will do or say anything to get elected.western separation is the only option

[trooper]

And a successive government will reverse anything a previous govt does. it just goes around and around.. What a joke.

[trooper]

Honestly, if he won and undoes this; unless he will enshrine it as a charter right there is no sense backing him. It may delay the inevitable, but that isn’t good enough for me. Western separation is our only chance at fair and equitable firearms laws. So if he won’t enshrine firearms constitutionally I will only support separatists. I hope the rest of you do to so you don’t split the vote with conservative lite lite lite lite lite lite.

I've decided long ago that the only way to protect our right to OWN firearms is to kick canada to the curb and do what we need to do. And I used to despise Rene Lévesque and the Quebec separatists for wanting the same as we do now. My My, times sure have changed.

[dgl1948]

That is what I have always thought, why is the Tool not been dragging the Turd through the mud since day one. I hate when the Cons call me ever week asking for money and we never see anything positive that they are contemplating. Ri g up all the scandals that have gone on and make it MSM. I will open my cheque book. I want someone who will go on the attack!
It is frustrating.

Why. Because the media would rather interview any of the other leaders as their agendas are more in line with what the media wants. Huge subsidies for TV giant’s and the newspapers.

[st99]

The conservatives have nothing to offer to the east, they have no chance. Separation is our only hope. North America should have 4 countries: west coast, east coast, Kbec and central.

[Trochu]

The conservatives have nothing to offer to the east, they have no chance. Separation is our only hope. North America should have 4 countries: west coast, east coast, Kbec and central.

A government that isn't embarrassing, racist, trying to limit/confiscate/restrict personal property, wastes tax dollars, is looking out for the average citizen, is ethical, etc. doesn't appear to people in the east?

[Jayhad]

good news, to bad the CPC will never form a majority government in this country again... not with old fat white guys leading the way, it should be a meritocracy but it isn't and the CPC had a real chance to elect someone the masses would like.... they choose a Tool

[Stinky Buffalo]

The conservatives have nothing to offer to the east, they have no chance. Separation is our only hope. North America should have 4 countries: west coast, east coast, Kbec and central.

Not all of the easterners are hardened liberals... But the Conservatives have lost many supporters out there in the post-Harper era. I had some good friends who were very active within the party, who have since backed away. Not sure whom they are supporting now - maybe the PPC?

[graybeard]

It’s about winning the election. Do what ever it’s takes. Get Trudeau out.

X 100%

I am with you all the way but as you know southern Ontario and Quebec control the voting...
Ask me how I feel when I leave the house, after supper, to go and vote and I already know who is in power....Or not....lol

Why would those regions vote someone out who gives them everything they want at Alberta's expense; never lift a finger, never utilize their vast natural resources, never contribute, etc.....

Until Alberta separates, we are going to tank further and IMO, Kenny is not as advertised, sadly as that is.....And what is worse the NDP is climbing up in the polls.....They quietly walk among us....

Getting a headache, time to stop....

[IronNoggin]

I have to admit I am fairly disappointed with the responses here. The Conservatives come out with pretty much what we asked them to, yet most are willing to kick them to the curb.

From the very words here, I am now of the thought that many of you present The Best possibility of Trudeau getting back in. That thought is abhorrent to me as I believe it should be to you.

No point in attacking me over this. i have relatively thick skin, and nothing you might say is going to change my mind. I just hope enough of us can band together to get shed of Pierre's Idiot Son before he destroys this once fine country any further.

Nog

[lmtada]

I agree. Guys on this forum have defeated attitude. Boys you need to rise above the ashes like a Phoenix. There are better days ahead. Get to work, on your body, shave some pounds. Get in shape. Get ready to fight. Freedom is worth fighting for. Quit complaining, start doing. #1) Cut down on your internet time.
PB43

I have to admit I am fairly disappointed with the responses here. The Conservatives come out with pretty much what we asked them to, yet most are willing to kick them to the curb.

From the very words here, I am now of the thought that many of you present The Best possibility of Trudeau getting back in. That thought is abhorrent to me as I believe it should be to you.

No point in attacking me over this. i have relatively thick skin, and nothing you might say is going to change my mind. I just hope enough of us can band together to get shed of Pierre's Idiot Son before he destroys this once fine country any further.

Nog

[Bigwoodsman]

As usual......

Otoole needs to get out more. Most Canadians dont even know who he is

I see he, Otoole and the conservatives are running adds (during the Scotty's play at least thats where I see them) introducing him to Canadians. It's a start, I guess.

He needs to get out in front of the next election and get more acquainted with
Canadians.

BW

[Roadhunter]

I agree. Guys on this forum have defeated attitude. Boys you need to rise above the ashes like a Phoenix. There are better days ahead. Get to work, on your body, shave some pounds. Get in shape. Get ready to fight. Freedom is worth fighting for. Quit complaining, start doing. #1) Cut down on your internet time.
PB43

Not defeated, just frustrated.

[pgavey]

Its tough to get known when the media wont give you any air time. If there is a major event he is responding to they will air him at 7AM and never during prime time. You would swear the NDP is official opposition by the amount of air time they allow him to have, of course CBC knows he will side with Sparkle socks on any important decisions. SAD.

[lmtada]

Not defeated, just frustrated.

Frustrated is good. Frustration spawns change. We as Albertans had it good for long time. Now the socialists have punched us in the gut. There are many socialists (government sector all of them). Albertans turfed the NDP couple years ago. Covid has been devastating to small business. Kenney needs our support more than ever. Right now, Kenney hands are tied with Covid, low resource prices, and big gov debt. The socialists will not stop. They want big government, authority of our provinces, resources, cancel culture to cancel individualism for the greater good (cancel the cowboy, outdoorsman, businessman, etc). This is a fight, and stressful for many. However we cannot sit there watch biased propaganda news channels or cruise internet. Action needs to be taken. The Kenney team as well your federal conservative team is all ears, on how we can improve our province, country. Visit your MLA, MP. Express your issues, let’s find solutions to combat this great green reset. :fighting0030::fighting0030::fighting0030:

[gramps73]

who is he again?

[32-40win]

Sure the LIbds will twist the statement to say that O'toole and the Cons don't believe in saving people fron the gunnutz, as there are a couple of things in C21 that are quite actually alright. They were put there to give it an anchor against the rest of their krap. I was of the thought that O'Toole shouldn't say anything much about repealing C21, but shud harp on repealing C71, which will gut C21 as it removes the enabling mechanisms for C21 and the OIC's. C21 needs 80% repeal, C71 will disable 80% of the 80% so to speak, only leaves a few mods to the stuff in C21. And they need to keep reminding people of the relationship between C71& C21 vs C75 and C22,to show people the whole picture.

[I’d rather be outdoors]

We need to hold Kenney’s feet to the fire on holding the vote on equalization. I’ve been underwhelmed with his performance as I’m sure many others are (why his approval is so low). It’s simple, we expected him to go toe to toe with Trudeau. He didn’t.

The important thing he can do is get that vote on equalization moving ASAP. Not in Oct. needs to be sooner.

He’s a lost cause if he delays this.

[HyperMOA]

I have to admit I am fairly disappointed with the responses here. The Conservatives come out with pretty much what we asked them to, yet most are willing to kick them to the curb.

From the very words here, I am now of the thought that many of you present The Best possibility of Trudeau getting back in. That thought is abhorrent to me as I believe it should be to you.

No point in attacking me over this. i have relatively thick skin, and nothing you might say is going to change my mind. I just hope enough of us can band together to get shed of Pierre's Idiot Son before he destroys this once fine country any further.

Nog

I hate to admit how disappointed I am with how many people vote for the far left and claim they are conservative because their party of choice wears blue ties.

[Twisted Canuck]

I hate to admit how disappointed I am with how many people vote for the far left and claim they are conservative because their party of choice wears blue ties.

Bingo.

[silver lab]

I hate to admit how disappointed I am with how many people vote for the far left and claim they are conservative because their party of choice wears blue ties.

I claim that I’m conservative, but I’m waaaay to far right to vote for him. The biggest problem I have with the conservatives is they are just right leaning liberals.

[HyperMOA]

I claim that I’m conservative, but I’m waaaay to far right to vote for him. The biggest problem I have with the conservatives is they are just right leaning liberals.

Do they lean right? 🤔

[IronNoggin]

The Delusion is thick around here at times.

Nog

[silver lab]

Do they lean right? 🤔
Does who lean right? The conservatives? Not much.

[C2C3PO]

Its tough to get known when the media wont give you any air time. If there is a major event he is responding to they will air him at 7AM and never during prime time. You would swear the NDP is official opposition by the amount of air time they allow him to have, of course CBC knows he will side with Sparkle socks on any important decisions. SAD.

I'm very glad to see someone else "gets it" !
This is a very accurate assessment of things right now, especially since Covid and the fact that the media is generally lazy and simply shows up for scripted releases from Trudeau.

[I’d rather be outdoors]

Does who lean right? The conservatives? Not much.

Conservatives are the “new liberals”. Comrade Trudeau has swung so far left it makes Jagmeet blush.

[HyperMOA]

The Delusion is thick around here at times.

Nog

Indeed it is. If Harper didn’t give us proper firearms rights, nobody ever will. If you think Erin otoole will solve our issues have at it. It may slow or delay the eventual confiscation but in the end won’t amount to a hill of beans. But you go on right ahead and believe he is your firearms-messiah. For some of us it’s just not good enough anymore. I bet they call and ask for some donations too.

[IronNoggin]

... But you go on right ahead and believe he is your firearms-messiah...

https://www.tnof.ca/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/ROFLMAO.gif

You Born Again Reformers always crack me up.
Messiah? Hardly.
But he is THE ONLY ONE that can make any difference at this juncture.
Reality.

You and your ilk split voting for your home grown fringe parties, while pining for a separation that will never happen (yet at least) will ensure we suffer under True Dummy once again.

Carry on, but don't come crawling back here bitchin' when what I predict happens when YOU made it so. https://www.tnof.ca/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/watching.gif

Nog

[silver lab]

Conservatives are the “new liberals”. Comrade Trudeau has swung so far left it makes Jagmeet blush.

Bingo! Tool is not far behind...

[EZM]

I claim that I’m conservative, but I’m waaaay to far right to vote for him. The biggest problem I have with the conservatives is they are just right leaning liberals.

Who cares, let's take their votes and get Trudeau out and let's support him to repeal the silly, senseless and misguided gun order.

It's not like the super ult rights are going to support the NDP or liberals anyways?????

O'Toole is our Tool :)

[silver lab]

Who cares, let's take their votes and get Trudeau out and let's support him to repeal the silly, senseless and misguided gun order.

It's not like the super ult rights are going to support the NDP or liberals anyways?????

O'Toole is our Tool :)

I agree, but man I’m I sick and tired of voting for a party I don’t like just to get another party I really don’t like out.

[IronNoggin]

I agree, but man I’m I sick and tired of voting for a party I don’t like just to get another party I really don’t like out.

Welcome to Canada...

Nog

[HyperMOA]

https://www.tnof.ca/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/ROFLMAO.gif

You Born Again Reformers always crack me up.
Messiah? Hardly.
But he is THE ONLY ONE that can make any difference at this juncture.
Reality.

You and your ilk split voting for your home grown fringe parties, while pining for a separation that will never happen (yet at least) will ensure we suffer under True Dummy once again.

Carry on, but don't come crawling back here bitchin' when what I predict happens when YOU made it so. https://www.tnof.ca/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/watching.gif

Nog
If the election is over before I cast my ballot, how did I cost you your otoole liberal government? The conservatives splitting the vote, are the ones voting for the otoole liberal party.

Also you aren’t predicting anything that isn’t written in stone already. Trudeau is PM until he decides to leave to take a cushy seat at the UN. He has bought enough votes out east to insure it. Anyone not ready for western separation is the true problem. The divide between us will never narrow. (East and west I mean) Well that’s not quite true. When they have invaded your lifestyle, take your guns, ban hunting/fishing and force all to live in an urban environment and indoctrinate SJW principles into each child. Then our western sensibilities will be gone and we will all work for the state. If you don’t recognize that as the direction of politics in Canada you are fooling only yourself.

So who else in the past have been our only choice to prevent something of this nature in the past? Then the liberals inevitably take power again and do whatever they want anyways. But you sacrificed your ideals for the “one guy that’s gonna do something”. I’m over it. Put your money where your mouth is. Have Erin announce he will constitutionalize my property rights and I’ll back your messiah.

Let’s look at the situation. So Erin wins an election. What’s the chance he wins a majority? With minority he does nothing for you. With a majority he delays the next round 4 years. Who cares? Why is owning firearms a rollercoaster ride. I will not comply and I’m ok with that. Pretending like a 4 year reprieve amounts to anything is laughable.

You want to make a change, a lasting meaningful change stop jumping over the cliff with the lemmings and push for a new nation. Confederation has failed and can never be fixed.

[Twisted Canuck]

https://www.tnof.ca/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/ROFLMAO.gif

You Born Again Reformers always crack me up.
Messiah? Hardly.
But he is THE ONLY ONE that can make any difference at this juncture.
Reality.

You and your ilk split voting for your home grown fringe parties, while pining for a separation that will never happen (yet at least) will ensure we suffer under True Dummy once again.

Carry on, but don't come crawling back here bitchin' when what I predict happens when YOU made it so. https://www.tnof.ca/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/watching.gif

Nog

Here is a question for you. Alberta didn't elect a single Liberal last election, almost a clean sweep for Cons across the prairies. And the liberals formed the government. What do you think is going to change if we all vote for a Conservative Party again?

Regardless of whether you believe O'tool is conservative or not (I don't) what makes you think Cons can ever form a government in this country based on our votes? We. Don't. Elect. The. Government.

It's by design.

So of course people are truly sick of their vote not counting, and want to separate. I understand that way more then the delusion that the CPC is actually a conservative party anymore and could ever form the government and fix things.

[HyperMOA]

It's by design.

So of course people are truly sick of their vote not counting, and want to separate. I understand that way more then the delusion that the CPC is actually a conservative party anymore and could ever form the government and fix things.

“But, but, but if we don’t vote for the same two tired parties that keep Canada in decline you are a vote splitter and your ideals are fringe”

You guys keep voting for decline I’m voting Bloc Albertois. I’m done with the lemming parties. You may not agree with me but don’t you try and shame me into voting for a party that does not share a single ideological view as me. I say give trudeau a few more majorities and crash this thing hard. Most westerners have the abilities to rise from the ashes and rebuild.

By the by, I quoted twisted Canuck but my comments are not directed at him. His last paragraph was just pure logical gold.

[Twisted Canuck]

I got it Hyper, we are on the same page, I've known that for a while. I'm also at the point where I refuse to vote for any party I don't actually believe in, because 'Alberta Votes Conservative'. If my vote doesn't make a damn bit of difference anyway, I will vote my conscience at least.

And then who knows, maybe it will make a difference.

And respectfully, IronNoggin, I'm not sitting around whining and complaining and not doing anything. On the contrary, I'm one of the very few who has bothered to challenge these gun bans in the courts, and I have invested a ton of my time, and way more $ then my banned guns are worth to do it. And I was also involved in getting a couple dozen more to file, and I have been doing my best to shepherd them through the process as best I can.

So please don't categorize me as a 'do nothing'.

[jkruse]

Agree 100%

[jkruse]

OOPs that was agree with IronNoggin 100%

[HyperMOA]

OOPs that was agree with IronNoggin 100%

Hahahaha. Too late now. It appears you agree with twisted Canuck and I too. So at best your a fence sitter. 😀

Just for the record, I’m just ribbing you.

[rem338win]

O'toole is red. Conservatives in this country missed the point 3 elections ago.

Hes smarter than our current PM, but the people around him aren't.

I would vote for an avacado to be the next PM before I'd vote for our current selection.

[IronNoggin]

...The conservatives splitting the vote, are the ones voting for the otoole liberal party.

Your defeatist attitude is showing again...

Canadians very upset with Trudeau over vaccine delays: poll

A new Ipsos poll found that 71 percent of Canadians are angry at Canada's slow rollout of the vaccine, and it's affecting the Liberal party's standing against their rival parties.

According to Global News, the Liberal and Conservative parties are polling within only three points of each other, which is a statistical dead heat.

"This is directly attributable to people's concerns about vaccines. So the vaccine issue, instead of being a positive for the government–as I think a lot of people anticipated that it would be–has turned into a negative," said Darrell Bricker, the CEO of Ipsos.

https://thepostmillennial.com/canadians-very-upset-with-trudeau-over-vaccine-delays-poll

Pretty loud message right there. The Conservatives are climbing in the polls, now basically neck and neck with the LIEberals. You want the latter gone, you know how to vote to Get 'Er Done. :love0025:

Nog

[silver lab]

Your defeatist attitude is showing again...

Canadians very upset with Trudeau over vaccine delays: poll

A new Ipsos poll found that 71 percent of Canadians are angry at Canada's slow rollout of the vaccine, and it's affecting the Liberal party's standing against their rival parties.

According to Global News, the Liberal and Conservative parties are polling within only three points of each other, which is a statistical dead heat.

"This is directly attributable to people's concerns about vaccines. So the vaccine issue, instead of being a positive for the government–as I think a lot of people anticipated that it would be–has turned into a negative," said Darrell Bricker, the CEO of Ipsos.

https://thepostmillennial.com/canadians-very-upset-with-trudeau-over-vaccine-delays-poll

Pretty loud message right there. The Conservatives are climbing in the polls, now basically neck and neck with the LIEberals. You want the latter gone, you know how to vote to Get 'Er Done. :love0025:

Nog


Yes I do. Vote Liberal, JT gets back in and Alberta separates.....
Or vote for the people’s party of Canada, split the vote, JT gets in and Alberta separates.
Or stay home, watch the east vote Liberal and Alberta separates.
How am I doing? 😬 take this with a grain of salt please.

[HyperMOA]

Your defeatist attitude is showing again...

Canadians very upset with Trudeau over vaccine delays: poll

A new Ipsos poll found that 71 percent of Canadians are angry at Canada's slow rollout of the vaccine, and it's affecting the Liberal party's standing against their rival parties.

According to Global News, the Liberal and Conservative parties are polling within only three points of each other, which is a statistical dead heat.

"This is directly attributable to people's concerns about vaccines. So the vaccine issue, instead of being a positive for the government–as I think a lot of people anticipated that it would be–has turned into a negative," said Darrell Bricker, the CEO of Ipsos.

https://thepostmillennial.com/canadians-very-upset-with-trudeau-over-vaccine-delays-poll

Pretty loud message right there. The Conservatives are climbing in the polls, now basically neck and neck with the LIEberals. You want the latter gone, you know how to vote to Get 'Er Done. :love0025:

Nog

You bet I’ll vote for a conservative. By conservative, I mean values and ideals, not in name alone. You carry on and believe in otoole. Trudeau won’t call an election until he’s ready anyways. Doesn't matter where he is in the polls today if he’s not calling it today.

What are you harping at me for anyways? There is only 5 or 6 guys like me out there tired of liberal governance and not voting for Erin right? Nothing to worry about from the fringe guys. You don’t want us nut jobs associated with your party.

[tirebob]

I got it Hyper, we are on the same page, I've known that for a while. I'm also at the point where I refuse to vote for any party I don't actually believe in, because 'Alberta Votes Conservative'. If my vote doesn't make a damn bit of difference anyway, I will vote my conscience at least.

And then who knows, maybe it will make a difference.

And respectfully, IronNoggin, I'm not sitting around whining and complaining and not doing anything. On the contrary, I'm one of the very few who has bothered to challenge these gun bans in the courts, and I have invested a ton of my time, and way more $ then my banned guns are worth to do it. And I was also involved in getting a couple dozen more to file, and I have been doing my best to shepherd them through the process as best I can.

So please don't categorize me as a 'do nothing'.

I used to side with the "vote for the best of the worst just so the worst doesn't win" mentality, but now I am getting to the point, where like Twisted and Hyper I do not believe one will actually be better than the other. It will just be another appeasement of the tiny swath of voter rich grounds that are in Ontario and Quebec so nothing will actually get done to help us.

That then begs the question, "How do I vote my conscience and give us an eventual fighting chance?"

Sadly, and I wish it wasn't so, I think that means I need vote what I believe, and if it means we suffer a lot now until people actually come around to realize nothing is ever going to change without something huge and disruptive to the rest of the country on our part, then that is what I will do. Maybe we need to bottom the country out completely so we can finally realize that the only way to get a fair deal for us is to walk away, and once we are all actually willing to walk away for real, the rest of the country might wake up and do what is right for us rather than let us walk away, and if they don't we can move on with a clear conscience.

I would rather have a shot at success even if it means I fail as long as it is by my hand that it happens, rather than assuredly fail by someone else's hand because I wasn't willing to risk it all.

[lmtada]

Here is write up by a Female gun user in America. That is relevant to Canada. We don’t have 2nd amendment. However Otoole is taking notice. Freedom.


“As we brace for impending battles for our freedom, it’s worth remembering what gun-control proponents fear most about Americans who cherish their God-given, and Second Amendment-protected, right to keep and bear arms.

First, they fear the Second Amendment because it is a cornerstone of liberty. It is practical and unmoving. In contrast, the Left prefers and advocates for judges and legislators who will, when they can, treat the U.S. Constitution as a “living document” they can reinterpret to dead letters if they so desire. They want the ability to put a gravestone over your rights, but can’t because the NRA—most importantly all of you members—are standing in their way.

The gun-control crowd can’t stand that our right to keep and bear arms has been a fundamental part of American DNA since before 1776. They’ve tried many times to rewrite the history books, aiming to erase the truth that this right was always cherished and put to daily use by the American populace. They’ve done this because if they can revise history, then they can shape the future behind the false claim that this right isn’t an individual right at all.

Those who seek to take away our freedom also don’t like that the Second Amendment of the U.S. Bill of Rights protects a universal human right to self-preservation. The fact that it empowers women, minorities, senior citizens and everyone else is appalling to the Left, as this individual freedom emboldens and fosters a free people, no matter what their individual characteristics might be. Gun-control advocates want control, but are often stopped because the Second Amendment fundamentally undermines their attempt to turn people into submissive subjects of a controlling state.

They also fear that more gun owners will stand together. This is a big reason why they so often attack the NRA. They fear the massive voting block our membership represents. They fear that the NRA has continued to grow. With over 7.5 million new gun owners in 2020 alone, according to figures gathered by the National Shooting Sports Foundation, gun-control advocates are now very afraid.

This is why even Michael Bloomberg didn’t put a lot of emphasis on gun-control before last November’s election. They didn’t want to rile America’s 100-million-plus gun owners, because they know that an overwhelming majority of American citizens want their freedom left alone.

Let new and potential gun owners hear your enthusiasm, your love of freedom, as you tell them about this right and how you practice it.

Anti-freedom advocates also fear the simple, but very profound, truth that gun ownership leads to a safer nation, as individuals can protect themselves from predators on our streets and in their homes until help can arrive. This autonomy is directly opposite to how gun-control groups would like to reshape America.

And make no mistake, politicians like Joe Biden and Kamala Harris aren’t kidding when they say they want to fundamentally reshape America. They want to create a subservient citizenry that begs for government handouts and carveouts, that has to cower to thieves, rapists and murderers while they wait for the police to get there. They don’t care about you; they care about control.

It is important, right now, to keep this in mind because we do have the power to protect our freedom if we stand boldly together with our shoulders back, our eyes wide open and with a kind, strong and stubborn insistence in our voices and hearts that our civil rights, including our all-important Second Amendment rights, will not be taken from us.

In essence, they are afraid of us because we are free. Never forget that and don’t let it go. They are afraid; we are not. We might get frustrated, even angry, when a court or legislature imperils our freedom, but that is not fear—rather, it is our American spirit rising up to the challenge."

By: Carolyn Meadows

[Stinky Buffalo]

Good article!

[HyperMOA]

Good article but absolutely has nothing to do with Canada as we have no rights to firearms.

[zabbo]

Here is a question for you. Alberta didn't elect a single Liberal last election, almost a clean sweep for Cons across the prairies. And the liberals formed the government. What do you think is going to change if we all vote for a Conservative Party again?

Regardless of whether you believe O'tool is conservative or not (I don't) what makes you think Cons can ever form a government in this country based on our votes? We. Don't. Elect. The. Government.

It's by design.

So of course people are truly sick of their vote not counting, and want to separate. I understand that way more then the delusion that the CPC is actually a conservative party anymore and could ever form the government and fix things.

Yes I do. Vote Liberal, JT gets back in and Alberta separates.....
Or vote for the people’s party of Canada, split the vote, JT gets in and Alberta separates.
Or stay home, watch the east vote Liberal and Alberta separates.
How am I doing? 😬 take this with a grain of salt please.

These things! It really makes no difference what party forms the government, the east controls the country and without support from the east no party will govern for long. There needs to be a major change in the way the country is governed. How can we expect a society Deb from Vancouver or Toronto to even begin to comprehend what life is like for a cowgirl from Longview? Each province needs to have more control over it's own destiny. Dare I say, something along the lines of the U.S.? This will never happen because of the way the turd's old man designed the constitution. Leaves very few options for those unfortunate souls in western Canada! Like Twisted said, there wasn't a single LIEberal elected in Alberta. The turd knows we hate him, but it really is irrelevant, because the election has been decided at the Ontario Manitoba border!

Duhoooo canada! :budo::budo:

[dgl1948]

The west will never be able to separate by voting for a separating party in a federal election. To try to do so is foolish. It must be done by having a provincial party elected with that mandate.

[elkhunter11]

People can complain all they want about the parties and leaders, but we know that Trudeau or Singh will take our firearms as soon as they can, so if Otoole delays this process, he is the best option that firearms owners have right now. So do you want to hand over your firearms now, or at least keep them long enough for the parties or leaders to change?

[MrDave]

If only gun owners would think like business people. Go do a hostile takeover. If all the gun owners would buy Liberal memberships and vote on policy, this would change. From inside the party this ignorance could change, but it won't if you keep screwing up. Voting for some other party isn't doing crap. Remember the repeal of the Long Gun Registry? Sure didn't do much.

Now imagine what happens if every time one of these policies was being voted on by members, and gun owners were among the voters within the party. Pretty hard to pull this crap if the party members are YOU. But I know you won't consider this, because most you have been brainwashed by years of manipulation for your votes. Think about how well the way you have been fighting has worked.

How did some of us know years ago this ban on semi's was coming? Infiltration. One thing I learned from living as a I did, find out what your enemy is doing by having a rat on the inside. Keep your friends close and enemies closer is an apt saying. The RCMP have people inside the Hell's Angels, the Angels have people inside the RCMP. It works pretty dang good.

But once again, off to enjoy life and avoid people by heading to where the web isn't electronic. Good luck fighting the way you have been.

[HyperMOA]

People can complain all they want about the parties and leaders, but we know that Trudeau or Singh will take our firearms as soon as they can, so if Otoole delays this process, he is the best option that firearms owners have right now. So do you want to hand over your firearms now, or at least keep them long enough for the parties or leaders to change?

My firearms will never be handed over. If its today or tomorrow makes no difference. Without otoole enshrining firearms as rights it is irrelevant if the rues change today or tomorrow. Quit voting for a government that truly doesn't support you and vote for a Libertarian government that will see your right of property.

[Flatlandliver]

It’s about winning the election. Do what ever it’s takes. Get Trudeau out.

If you think O’Toole or most politicians wouldn’t do the same thing to get elected or to stay in power, your dreaming.

For every politician I have ever met from any party it’s all about getting power or keeping power and they will set their sail whichever way they think the wind is blowing.

[elkhunter11]

My firearms will never be handed over. If its today or tomorrow makes no difference. Without otoole enshrining firearms as rights it is irrelevant if the rues change today or tomorrow. Quit voting for a government that truly doesn't support you and vote for a Libertarian government that will see your right of property.

For the next election, there are two two parties that can win, there is no party that will make firearms ownership a right.

[nimrod]

[QUOTE=elkhunter11;4338550]For the next election, there are two two parties that can win, there is no party that will make firearms ownership a right.

Right now the liberal government is in power to take your guns away, the story Otoole is saying if we are the new government in 2021, we will not take your guns away, thats how I see this, good thing the senses people are asking the public to work this spring, looks like we are heading to a election this fall.

[Flatlandliver]

For the next election, there are two two parties that can win, there is no party that will make firearms ownership a right.

Bingo,

Unless your position or interest comes with votes or influence over votes, you are hooped.

[Flatlandliver]

[QUOTE=elkhunter11;4338550]For the next election, there are two two parties that can win, there is no party that will make firearms ownership a right.

Right now the liberal government is in power to take your guns away, the story Otoole is saying if we are the new government in 2021, we will not take your guns away, thats how I see this, good thing the senses people are asking the public to work this spring, looks like we are heading to a election this fall.

Otoole would say he would turn the sky red if he thought that would get him elected. He is trying to establish a alternative which is a good thing, but he needs a lot more support then gun owners and the gun lobby.
The gun lobby needs to work on the anti’s as much as working on politicians. Make the antis understand they should be scared of criminals with guns, not every gun owner.

[crazy_davey]

The gun lobby needs to work on the anti’s as much as working on politicians. Make the antis understand they should be scared of criminals with guns, not every gun owner.

Ya, good luck with that.

[silver lab]

The west will never be able to separate by voting for a separating party in a federal election. To try to do so is foolish. It must be done by having a provincial party elected with that mandate.

Can you please tell me what federal party is the separatist party?

[Flatlandliver]

Ya, good luck with that.

True.

So what’s the solution?

It ain’t whining on AO, and it’s not blaming one political party brother.

Damn sad and frustrating.

[silvertip]

Read somewhere that C-21 is heading for second reading tomorrow. Given the current progress could one assume this may pass by the spring?

Found above article on another site.......
tomorrow referring today

I cannot find confirmation on this!
true or false
Am I sucking wind here can someone confirm this????

My blood is just boiling!!!!

[dgl1948]

Can you please tell me what federal party is the separatist party?

Right now there is not one.

[Twisted Canuck]

Can you please tell me what federal party is the separatist party?

The Maverick Party, with Jay Hill currently at the helm until they elect a leader.

[Twisted Canuck]

Right now there is not one.

Yes, there is. Maverick Party.

https://www.maverickparty.ca/

[Twisted Canuck]

Read somewhere that C-21 is heading for second reading tomorrow. Given the current progress could one assume this may pass by the spring?

Found above article on another site.......
tomorrow referring today

I cannot find confirmation on this!
true or false
Am I sucking wind here can someone confirm this????

My blood is just boiling!!!!


Yes, they had second reading today, I watched part of it until I couldn't stomach any more. Shannon Stubbs gave the spurs to Bill Blair, even used the word 'friggin' for which the libs and speaker chastised her. I'm sure it's uploaded to YouTube already. It is. Here.

https://youtu.be/s5OVRoGAwxY

[dgl1948]

Yes, there is. Maverick Party.

https://www.maverickparty.ca/

As in my original post. If you want to separate you need to do it by running with that platform in a provincial election. Trying to do it in a federal will not work. If a province elects a party running with separation platform in a provincial election has to be the first step to be taken seriously.

[Twisted Canuck]

As in my original post. If you want to separate you need to do it by running with that platform in a provincial election. Trying to do it in a federal will not work. If a province elects a party running with separation platform in a provincial election has to be the first step to be taken seriously.

We have a provincial party as well, the Wildrose Independence Party. But the Bloc is that Federal party that has got the most grease for QC for squeaking the loudest. Not a provincial party. Personally, I think if we had **both** gain traction in the next elections, it will get some attention. That's a start.

[HyperMOA]

For the next election, there are two two parties that can win, there is no party that will make firearms ownership a right.

I disagree. In the next election there is only one government that can form a government; they have already begun banning firearms.

[silver lab]

The Maverick Party, with Jay Hill currently at the helm until they elect a leader.

Thank you.

[dgl1948]

We have a provincial party as well, the Wildrose Independence Party. But the Bloc is that Federal party that has got the most grease for QC for squeaking the loudest. Not a provincial party. Personally, I think if we had **both** gain traction in the next elections, it will get some attention. That's a start.

The Parti Québécois is a provincial separatist party and they run on that platform. The Bloc did not run on a separation program. Trudeau will do everything he can to encourage federal separation parties in the West. He knows that will split conservative votes. Dividing the vote will only help the liberals, NDP and Greens. What is it going to say voting for a Federal separatist party and you wind up being represented by a Liberal MP. Electing a provincial party that runs on a separate platform sends a whole new message.

[IronNoggin]

The Parti Québécois is a provincial separatist party and they run on that platform. The Bloc did not run on a separation program. Trudeau will do everything he can to encourage federal separation parties in the West. He knows that will split conservative votes. Dividing the vote will only help the liberals, NDP and Greens. What is it going to say voting for a Federal separatist party and you wind up being represented by a Liberal MP. Electing a provincial party that runs on a separate platform sends a whole new message.

BINGO!!! https://www.tnof.ca/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/Pozitive.gif

Nice to see some actually get it!

Thanks!
Nog

[Twisted Canuck]

The Parti Québécois is a provincial separatist party and they run on that platform. The Bloc did not run on a separation program. Trudeau will do everything he can to encourage federal separation parties in the West. He knows that will split conservative votes. Dividing the vote will only help the liberals, NDP and Greens. What is it going to say voting for a Federal separatist party and you wind up being represented by a Liberal MP. Electing a provincial party that runs on a separate platform sends a whole new message.

Right, my mistake conflating the Bloc and Parti. Some days I'm typing without thinking.

But I still don't care about 'vote splitting'. I'm not voting CPC, LPC, NDP, PPC, and maybe not Maverick either if they don't get their poop together and get a proper leader. The party name itself is just plain goofy.

If I end up with a Liberal MP, maybe we can get some pork from the trough at least. My Conservative MP seems pretty useless to me.

[PawelB]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H6nhJc3i00

[I’d rather be outdoors]

BINGO!!! https://www.tnof.ca/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/Pozitive.gif

Nice to see some actually get it!

Thanks!
Nog

True, that’s what Castro Jr. wants. Does it really matter anymore? Even if the WRP didn’t exist, you still believe the CPC would take it? Doubtful, the last election showed that in colours. Hands down Jr. should have lost (on ethics alone). Why not support a party that actually aligns with your values because you know that the game is rigged.

On a provincial level, the only way Kenney could ever win my support back would be to finally stop being a limp phallus with the feds and stop trying to please the left, it’s a lost cause, they’re not going to vote for him anyway.

[IronNoggin]

... Why not support a party that actually aligns with your values because you know that the game is rigged.

Because I simply want shed of True Dummy, and none of what you and the others here suggest will do that.

Reality.

Period.

Nog

[HyperMOA]

Because I simply want shed of True Dummy, and none of what you and the others here suggest will do that.

Reality.

Period.

Nog

Hahahahahahaha. This coming from the guy preaching of delusions. Were you saying the same thing during the last election? How did that turn out? You don’t want the conservative vote split; start voting for a conservative. Why do you think one atom right of Justin is conservative? Trudeau is PM for at least a dozen years minimum. If AB elects liberals maybe you (well Albertans actually) may see that we truly are in trouble and try to salvage something with separation.

You want to get rid of trudeau quit talking to me. The people you need to talk to live in the worst places on earth. Vancouver, Toronto, Victoria, Ottawa, Montreal, and Quebec City. Those hell holes are who elects trudeau, not I. No matter who I vote for. Trying to convince me to vote for your liberal du jour will do nothing to unseat trudeau.

Reality.

Period.

[I’d rather be outdoors]

Because I simply want shed of True Dummy, and none of what you and the others here suggest will do that.

Reality.

Period.

Nog

Must be nice to have hope (I don’t mean offence). It’s a nice place to be and I used to be there too. I just don’t see the conservatives ever forming power again (not for a lack of trying), it’s just how the system is built.

[dgl1948]

Right, my mistake conflating the Bloc and Parti. Some days I'm typing without thinking.

But I still don't care about 'vote splitting'. I'm not voting CPC, LPC, NDP, PPC, and maybe not Maverick either if they don't get their poop together and get a proper leader. The party name itself is just plain goofy.

If I end up with a Liberal MP, maybe we can get some pork from the trough at least. My Conservative MP seems pretty useless to me.

I am thinking the Bloc has preformed prey well for Quebec. I think they will take a few more liberal seats. They just may unite with the conservatives in a minority. They do not have much use for Trudeau.

[BCSteel]

Because I simply want shed of True Dummy, and none of what you and the others here suggest will do that.



Reality.



Period.



Nog

Scheer ran on that exact platform and look where it got him.

If someone has a majority of actual conservative values, they will not vote CPC. There is nothing right wing in that party anymore beyond the name.

If someone simply wants "not Trudeau" and is ready to accept that they will still have a left wing government, have at 'er.

Reality.

Period.

[59whiskers]

Otoole or Trudeau? The media is our government now.

[I’d rather be outdoors]

Scheer ran on that exact platform and look where it got him.

If someone has a majority of actual conservative values, they will not vote CPC. There is nothing right wing in that party anymore beyond the name.

If someone simply wants "not Trudeau" and is ready to accept that they will still have a left wing government, have at 'er.

Reality.

Period.

Correct, and the funny thing is that by trying to attract swing voters, they’re loosing the base (this is Kenney’s main problem). The “swing” voters I know already hate him and the CPC on the federal level. This will NOT change. You can hope all you want, but the game is over. May as well vote for the party that best reflects your values. The sooner we rip the bandaid off, the better.

[steamy teabag]

I disagree. In the next election there is only one government that can form a government; they have already begun banning firearms.

Not only guns. They want to ban hunting now as a reason to grab more guns. Apparently this man is affiliated with a GC group.

https://www.vibby.com/watch?vib=QkI1ERvh5

[IronNoggin]

What You (We) Can Do: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVcLK9b6aW4

[^v^Tinda wolf^v^]

Everyone I know will not hand their unregistered guns over to Trudeau, not even a question. I think it’s time for a new government all together. Canada just keeps bouncing back and forth from UCP to liberals and I won’t even say how I feel about the NDP.....quite honestly I am sick and tired of all three. Canada is screaming for change but yet the people keep voting these three back in! It’s time for some new faces and ideas! I wish we could kick all three of these parties to the curb and give someone new a try! A party that is actually in service for Canadians and not just its private agenda.

I think Trudeau figures we are all his slaves and he makes it sound that way. I wouldn’t put this guy out if he were flaming......I heard that :thinking-006:

[bukwild]

Everyone I know will not hand their unregistered guns over to Trudeau, not even a question. I think it’s time for a new government all together. Canada just keeps bouncing back and forth from UCP to liberals and I won’t even say how I feel about the NDP.....quite honestly I am sick and tired of all three. Canada is screaming for change but yet the people keep voting these three back in! It’s time for some new faces and ideas! I wish we could kick all three of these parties to the curb and give someone new a try! A party that is actually in service for Canadians and not just its private agenda.

I think Trudeau figures we are all his slaves and he makes it sound that way. I wouldn’t put this guy out if he were flaming......I heard that :thinking-006:

Folks fail to realize that our government (not unlike most others) has over the years become a massive corporation that is an entity to itself. It can no longer truly care what the citizens want or really need as it's sole purpose is it's own growth and survival. Elected officials are simply doing a job and collecting checks waiting on a retirement package unmatched anywhere else. Citizens have for too many years been asking the government to take care of them in too many ways. This has only perpetuated governments growth and separation from the citizenry. In return citizens have become nothing more than assets. Sadly there is only one way to change or stop what we have created.

[dgl1948]

Scheer ran on that exact platform and look where it got him.

If someone has a majority of actual conservative values, they will not vote CPC. There is nothing right wing in that party anymore beyond the name.

If someone simply wants "not Trudeau" and is ready to accept that they will still have a left wing government, have at 'er.

Reality.

Period.

It got him more votes than any of the other parties.

[HyperMOA]

It got him more votes than any of the other parties.

The geography of votes is more important than the number of votes though. It doesn’t matter that Scheer got more votes. Who is our PM today?

[dgl1948]

The geography of votes is more important than the number of votes though. It doesn’t matter that Scheer got more votes. Who is our PM today?

And now we know why the Liberals broke their election promise to reform the electoral system.

[Pekan]

The conservatives have nothing to offer to the east, they have no chance. Separation is our only hope. North America should have 4 countries: west coast, east coast, Kbec and central.

I hate to say it, but the separation card is Alberta's best move at this point. The easterners will continue to control the political landscape just by population, and our economies are too different.

Only thing, Ab would be part of the US in less than a generation. which may not be such a bad thing.

But if you could crack the country in half at Kenora......Maybe the west would be a viable nation.

[I’d rather be outdoors]

I hate to say it, but the separation card is Alberta's best move at this point. The easterners will continue to control the political landscape just by population, and our economies are too different.

Only thing, Ab would be part of the US in less than a generation. which may not be such a bad thing.

But if you could crack the country in half at Kenora......Maybe the west would be a viable nation.

Agree. Separation is completely viable. There are people that make it seem as if it’s not because they’ve still got a stake in game Canada (maybe nearing CPP or something of the like). If anyone thinks we’d be alone for long has their head in the sand and like I said, obviously still want to see us suffer under Ottawa at any cost.

[HyperMOA]

Agree. Separation is completely viable. There are people that make it seem as if it’s not because they’ve still got a stake in game Canada (maybe nearing CPP or something of the like). If anyone thinks we’d be alone for long has their head in the sand and like I said, obviously still want to see us suffer under Ottawa at any cost.

Even if Alberta separated Canada would still have to pay you your CPP entitlement. If I move to the US and become a US citizen I would still get my CPP paid out at 65 living in the states. Seperating won’t cause us to lose our CPP benefit. Now it would limit future years of contributions thus hampering your ability to get Max benefit payment but you’d never lose it.

[HyperMOA]

And now we know why the Liberals broke their election promise to reform the electoral system.

Justin broke his promise of reform before that election. Trudeau knows that he would have to give too much power to the NDP and greens too much power. Much like the current government we have. He will get a majority again. Proportional representation woulda made that very difficult for him.

[Ackleyman]

Trudeau is not the problem. He is a mere fool.
The problem is the electoral that put the dickwad in office. The masses of millennial daisy sniffers and "new Canadians" getting lots of free money.
No vote even counts East of Manitoba border
BC -42 seats << 17 Conservative in 2019
AB - 34
SK - 14
Man -14

Ontario - 121
Quebec - 78

Then Liberal support from the East coast ?... It's not pretty.

[wally338]

It seems every party has election reform in their platform when they are trying to win the election but seem quite happy with the current system when they win, including Trudue and Harper.

[I’d rather be outdoors]

Even if Alberta separated Canada would still have to pay you your CPP entitlement. If I move to the US and become a US citizen I would still get my CPP paid out at 65 living in the states. Seperating won’t cause us to lose our CPP benefit. Now it would limit future years of contributions thus hampering your ability to get Max benefit payment but you’d never lose it.

Never knew this, thanks for the info. Getting tougher to think of reasons/motivations on why we should stay. Queue the “we’ll be landlocked” crowd. No, no we won’t. Again, we won’t be in it alone. Our situation is not unique and akin to independence efforts throughout history. Everyone will have an opinion on what do we do with (insert topic). Bottom line, we’re being treated like garbage in the “federation”, and independence is viable.

[skidderman]

It sadden's me to see that many don't get it. At least from this grain of sand's point of view.

1) Separation is a pipe dream. You say you want separation but you don't have a clue what it will look like or how it will take place. Good luck on that.

2) Conservative moving left: Wake up, they don't have a choice if they have even an inkling of getting in. Why, the media is far, far left & won't allow it.

3) The media is bought & paid for by the left with billions. The media will sell their soul and our soul's to get that money.

4) Equalization. Why can't we understand: Our tax money goes to Ottawa and who gets what is decided there. How do you think a province can just decide not to keep it when they never had it in the first place. Another, I feel like swearing pipe dream.

5) Voting for anything other than Conservative or Liberal: Well you might as well stay home then because you voted for the nothing party.

I know writing this is pointless but if the conservatives don't get voted in next round you can kiss gun ownership and hunting good bye forever and you will be welcoming in the new Socialist, (Communist) Party of Canada. They won't call it that but it will be what it is.

[Redhorse Ranch]

Separation works.


https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/case-alberta-independence-james-albers?fbclid=IwAR2CblNIm9g4sEFZc5acmCDhojk0mktuyG NIcEyy0sPvhKT_Td08iNqeMdQ

[silver lab]

It sadden's me to see that many don't get it. At least from this grain of sand's point of view.

1) Separation is a pipe dream. You say you want separation but you don't have a clue what it will look like or how it will take place. Good luck on that.

2) Conservative moving left: Wake up, they don't have a choice if they have even an inkling of getting in. Why, the media is far, far left & won't allow it.

3) The media is bought & paid for by the left with billions. The media will sell their soul and our soul's to get that money.

4) Equalization. Why can't we understand: Our tax money goes to Ottawa and who gets what is decided there. How do you think a province can just decide not to keep it when they never had it in the first place. Another, I feel like swearing pipe dream.

5) Voting for anything other than Conservative or Liberal: Well you might as well stay home then because you voted for the nothing party.

I know writing this is pointless but if the conservatives don't get voted in next round you can kiss gun ownership and hunting good bye forever and you will be welcoming in the new Socialist, (Communist) Party of Canada. They won't call it that but it will be what it is.

I’m not a socialist sheep that follows the masses. We have a platform to vote for(we haven’t been voting for them for the same reasons you have mentioned) you have forgotten to read most of this thread, we are all sick of voting for someone we don’t like just to get nothing.
I think the biggest problem is our vote do not count!! What would you like us to do? Vote again for a PC party that we can’t stand, that is getting worse by the day?

[I’d rather be outdoors]

Separation works.


https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/case-alberta-independence-james-albers?fbclid=IwAR2CblNIm9g4sEFZc5acmCDhojk0mktuyG NIcEyy0sPvhKT_Td08iNqeMdQ

How dare you speak the truth. Don’t you see how deeply we need the federation? This issue just popped up overnight, it’s been given no thought at all...let’s just give it another couple generations, things will work themselves out, I promise.

[HyperMOA]

It sadden's me to see that many don't get it. At least from this grain of sand's point of view.

1) Separation is a pipe dream. You say you want separation but you don't have a clue what it will look like or how it will take place. Good luck on that.

2) Conservative moving left: Wake up, they don't have a choice if they have even an inkling of getting in. Why, the media is far, far left & won't allow it.

3) The media is bought & paid for by the left with billions. The media will sell their soul and our soul's to get that money.

4) Equalization. Why can't we understand: Our tax money goes to Ottawa and who gets what is decided there. How do you think a province can just decide not to keep it when they never had it in the first place. Another, I feel like swearing pipe dream.

5) Voting for anything other than Conservative or Liberal: Well you might as well stay home then because you voted for the nothing party.

I know writing this is pointless but if the conservatives don't get voted in next round you can kiss gun ownership and hunting good bye forever and you will be welcoming in the new Socialist, (Communist) Party of Canada. They won't call it that but it will be what it is.

1) Nobody knows what a new house looks like either. But then we sit down and draw a blueprint and build it. Just needs thought and work.

2) How far left are you willing to move to not be a “Liberal”

3) 100% agreed. Nothing more to say there.

4) Separation instantly solves the problems with equalization. It’s also the ONLY solution to equalization.

5) Will you gladly vote for socialism to stop the communists from being elected, then will you gladly vote for moderate communists to prevent the hard-core communists from being elected? Now will you vote for the above scenarios if we name the above mentioned parties as “conservative”?

Now writing and discussing is never pointless. Talking and discussing is good whether we can agree or not we learn others views.

Now the scenario you mention that our guns are gone if the conservatives aren’t voted in. Is that true if they win a minority? After said government is formed and our guns are saved; will they still be saved when the Liberals return to power?

[Twisted Canuck]

Separation works.


https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/case-alberta-independence-james-albers?fbclid=IwAR2CblNIm9g4sEFZc5acmCDhojk0mktuyG NIcEyy0sPvhKT_Td08iNqeMdQ

That was a good read. While I think It is overly optimistic and brushes over some of the hurdles that will have to be jumped, nevertheless I'm all for it and have been since JT and his Idiot Circus were first elected. And don't even ask how I felt when he was re-elected.

I would love to see a referendum on this next election, but it won't happen with Kenney. So, he has to go.

[RandyBoBandy]

Trudeau is not the problem. He is a mere fool.
The problem is the electoral that put the dickwad in office. The masses of millennial daisy sniffers and "new Canadians" getting lots of free money.
No vote even counts East of Manitoba border
BC -42 seats << 17 Conservative in 2019
AB - 34
SK - 14
Man -14

Ontario - 121
Quebec - 78

Then Liberal support from the East coast ?... It's not pretty.
Good post :) You meant WEST OF MANITOBA right ;)

[skidderman]

Have read every bit of the thread. I'm as far right as one can get but I'm also a realist. Far right won't get in power it sucks but it is reality. I find it hard to fathom that my greatest fear is our own lousy government.

[barsik]

Have read every bit of the thread. I'm as far right as one can get but I'm also a realist. Far right won't get in power it sucks but it is reality. I find it hard to fathom that my greatest fear is our own lousy government.


we are at the point where staying in confederation is worse than opting for separation. as other members have pointed out, the federal government in Ottawa is an entity in itself, meaning that federal policy is crafted to keep itself in power by appealing to the voter base in Toronto. essentially, you can keep working for an employer who doesn't even hear your voice and gives you all the shyte jobs or you can strike out on your own as a self employed individual. not a hard decision to make.

[IronNoggin]

It sadden's me to see that many don't get it. At least from this grain of sand's point of view...

There are many right there with you, myself included.

What the Born Again Reformists also don't understand is that by their very action of voting for a fringe party (nothing party as you put it) they will in fact be dragging all the rest of the west down along with them. Don't know if that can be called greed so much as willful blindness to the issue.

To them, carry on. Your ambitions will cost all the rest of us dearly.
Hope y'all are happy when you help ensure Pierre's Idiot Child maintains the helm.

Nog

[Twisted Canuck]

There are many right there with you, myself included.

What the Born Again Reformists also don't understand is that by their very action of voting for a fringe party (nothing party as you put it) they will in fact be dragging all the rest of the west down along with them. Don't know if that can be called greed so much as willful blindness to the issue.

To them, carry on. Your ambitions will cost all the rest of us dearly.
Hope y'all are happy when you help ensure Pierre's Idiot Child maintains the helm.

Nog

What a bunch of noise. You need to call my mom, she could teach you how to really lay a guilt trip on thick, that is just weak sauce.

As has been said, and demonstrated many times, we don't elect the government in Canada, we just have to live with whatever they decide in ON, QC, and the maritimes. You want to vote conservayive again, fly at it. But stop being all preachy and telling people they should vote for something they don't believe in. At the end of the day, it won't make a damn bit of difference anyway, so why get your feathers ruffled?

[IronNoggin]

... so why get your feathers ruffled?

:snapoutofit:

Go back and read your overly dramatic response, and get back to me on whose "feathers are ruffled" please and thanks... :sHa_sarcasticlol:

I actually do care about the West, and that in my mind has always (and always will )include Alberta. The fact that you and others want to engage in a train wreck is disturbing. The additional fact that you could not care less who else your self centered wanderings into dreamland will also effect is even more so.

Like I said, carry on. Do what you feel you must. Please try to avoid being overly hypocritical in your attacks on the next True Dummy government that you help elect.

Cheers,
Nog

[Twisted Canuck]

Such nonsense. But good luck with electing a CPC government. What are you going to do, when the prairies, again, elect a full slate of MPs that are CPC, and Trudeau still forms a government? Like the last two elections? You still haven't answered that one. You think this guy is going to lead you to the promised land?

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/as-tensions-rise-in-conservative-caucus-erin-otooles-leadership-put-to-the-test

[skidderman]

AO threads like this are like watching the vultures circle a dead animal. We don't need the rest of the world to do us in as we do it to ourselves. As IronNoggin says, knock yourself out. If it makes you feel better bashing myself and others have at er.:shark:

[HyperMOA]

AO threads like this are like watching the vultures circle a dead animal. We don't need the rest of the world to do us in as we do it to ourselves. As IronNoggin says, knock yourself out. If it makes you feel better bashing myself and others have at er.:shark:

I don’t believe I bashed you at all in my response. I’m rather certain I have been nothing but respectful actually. Now I may have asked you questions that make you uncomfortable , but never did I bash you. I did notice that you never answered any of my questions.

I respect your opinion. I used to have the same opinion 20 years ago. I am no longer comfortable voting for parties left of Jean Chrétien to avoid a Trudeau. In 20 years will you expect me to vote for a candidate left of Justin to keep the Stalin Jr out of power? Will I do this in the name of “conservatism”? Honest questions.

If you can’t recognize the trajectory of our country then you definitely won’t want to eject. I see where this plane is going. The ejection seat is my only hope. We are in a flat spin and both engines are snuffed out. It’s time to bail.

[HyperMOA]

There are many right there with you, myself included.

What the Born Again Reformists also don't understand is that by their very action of voting for a fringe party (nothing party as you put it) they will in fact be dragging all the rest of the west down along with them. Don't know if that can be called greed so much as willful blindness to the issue.

To them, carry on. Your ambitions will cost all the rest of us dearly.
Hope y'all are happy when you help ensure Pierre's Idiot Child maintains the helm.

Nog

How am I a born again reformist? I’m a separatist!!! You come on here and hurl insults and never engage in actual debate. Answer some of the questions put before you. Does the concept of thought scare you?

That last decent government we have had in the last 30 years was lead by reformists just FYI. It doesn’t hurt my feelings.

How do you justify following the CPC as a Conservative party? Can you name one conservative policy they have?

Why do you feel I should vote for the sliding scale? Is it possible that you are a political minority. (us born again reformists too) Maybe Canadians don’t want you to own guns, or hunt, or fish, or camp.... This is what Canadians want of you. Why don’t you respect your fellow Canadians wishes?

I have come to the conclusion that I am no longer a Canadian. I believe it’s possible that there are enough western Canadians (not necessarily albertans) that agree with me that a new nation could be created protecting our beliefs as rights. I consider this a broad future plan. What does your plan delve into? Try and defeat trudeau. That’s the extent of your thinking. What is your plan when he is elected into majority?

Federation failed long ago. It’s time somebody tried to do best for us westerners. We have been used long enough.

[Twisted Canuck]

For the life of me, I can't understand how anybody thinks the O'Toole 'conservative' brand is going to win an election and form government, even if they do get all the 'gimme' votes from the prairies (they always get those and take them for granted, they don't have to work for them). And if by some miracle of heaven they actually managed even a minority, what do you have?

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/chris-selley-grumbling-over-otooles-leadership-might-be-overblown-but-its-not-unjustified

[I’d rather be outdoors]

For the life of me, I can't understand how anybody thinks the O'Toole 'conservative' brand is going to win an election and form government, even if they do get all the 'gimme' votes from the prairies (they always get those and take them for granted, they don't have to work for them). And if by some miracle of heaven they actually managed even a minority, what do you have?

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/chris-selley-grumbling-over-otooles-leadership-might-be-overblown-but-its-not-unjustified

Otoole is trying to attract swing voters, which could work in theory since Castro Jr abandoned the centre. In fact, this is what those who still support the CPC are hanging their hat on. Problem is that many of the “base” don’t like this shift (myself included) and are looking to cast their vote to the right of centre. This is the same plight Kenney is dealing with. By trying to please everyone, he’s ****ed everyone off.

This could turn out to be a short term win for Otoole (and the party), but it will be short lived as the core base realizes the party doesn’t reflect their values and only care about being “in seat”.

With the cards stacked, and Otoole looking out for himself, I’ll be supporting other parties that better reflect my values. Things will stay the same if we keep planning on just voting for the slightly lesser of two evils. Time for a change.

[Twisted Canuck]

Well said. ^ I completely agree, it's time to start voting for a party or person that represents your views, and stop voting for a label that isn't even accurate anymore.

[BCSteel]

It got him more votes than any of the other parties.And I'll repeat, look where it got him.

[BCSteel]

The CPC at this point can not realistically be considered anything other than controlled opposition. If you vote Liberal you get the obviously left wing agenda. If you vote CPC you get their version of an overtly left wing agenda.

It's a lose/lose proposition so you might as well vote for a party that actually has the ideals that you value most and lead the change instead of clinging onto a pipe dream that the red Tories will do a 180 and become a born again right wing party as soon as they get into office.

[jungleboy]

This thread has a nice title but the reality is ,it’s just another partisan political thread that goes around in circles and accomplishes nothing. That is what the political super thread is for.