YouTube----Facebook I have to ask......

[pikergolf]

Why with all the trouble conservatives, gun owners, re-loaders, hunters and I am sure I am missing others, has no one started a platform for us. It is like the best business people are all progressives that want their world view represented and block all others. What stopping a conservative business man starting his own model.

Another question, when Pornhub said they would take all hunting, shooting and reloading videos, why was their not a mass migration. Yes I realize Pornhub is not ideal, but this BS of constantly trying to get around YouTube and Facebook censors is getting old.

Just asking.....

[fishtank]

Election tampering? think google and Facebook have more at stake , then Russia .

[jungleboy]

There was a social media site that tried to cater to conservatives “Parler” I believe but Google and Amazon didn’t like the message so they de platformed them.
The left and big tech are not only in bed together they are spooning.

At the moment the left seems to controls every bit of media we consume.

[RandyBoBandy]

see the political thread

[tri777]

There was a social media site that tried to cater to conservatives “Parler” I believe but Google and Amazon didn’t like the message so they de platformed them.
The left and big tech are not only in bed together they are spooning.

At the moment the left seems to controls every bit of media we consume.

The buggers want your phone # to register/become a member, I immediately lost all interest right there, lol.

[raab]

Parler, and Bitchute

[tri777]

Parler, and Bitchute

Bitchute & Rumble are the two current best imo.

[raab]

Bitchute & Rumble are the two current best imo.

O yea, forgot about rumble.

[pikergolf]

Bitchute & Rumble are the two current best imo.

Bitchute doesn't interest me, tin foil crowd. Rumble looks interesting, hopefully it takes off. Some reloading stuff there, but not to many views.

[tri777]

Bitchute doesn't interest me, tin foil crowd. Rumble looks interesting, hopefully it takes off. Some reloading stuff there, but not to many views.

Can try Twitch also.

[KGB]

Trump is starting his own social media platform is a few months...

[midgetwaiter]

There was a social media site that tried to cater to conservatives “Parler” I believe but Google and Amazon didn’t like the message so they de platformed them.
The left and big tech are not only in bed together they are spooning.

At the moment the left seems to controls every bit of media we consume.

This is complete bull droppings.

These platforms have many stakeholders including shareholders and employees that are forcing these decisions. If your shareholders or the majority of your workforce are telling you they aren’t comfortable with the content on your platform then you’ve got to act or die. Add to that a strong push from Conservatives to modify the current application of common carrier status, (aka section 230) and you can see that the people in charge of these decisions are in a tough spot in North America. However if you want to see real problems look at what’s happened with Facebook in Myanmar and Sri Lanka, it’s literally enabling genocide.

Now no question there’s TONS of room for reasonable criticism here. There’s some sacred cows for sure, that’s not helping. Trying to apply standards using algorithms and lowly paid moderators has resulted in uneven and difficult to understand results as well. I believe you’ve got a front seat to that moderation problem, imagine scaling the problems you deal with here to something the size of Facebook? Then there’s the real question of dealing with extremism. It doesn’t matter if it’s ISIS or The Base, there has to be limits doesn't there?

You’ve also got to realize that these platforms realized a long time ago that recreational outrage is driving a lot of engagement, they need to figure out how to replace that revenue or their shareholders will be displeased.

Why when there’s all those aspects of the problem to discuss do you just fall back on waving your victim flag around? “Oh noes the commies are picking on us again?”

Is just lazy.

[bobtodrick]

This is complete bull droppings.

These platforms have many stakeholders including shareholders and employees that are forcing these decisions. If your shareholders or the majority of your workforce are telling you they aren’t comfortable with the content on your platform then you’ve got to act or die. Add to that a strong push from Conservatives to modify the current application of common carrier status, (aka section 230) and you can see that the people in charge of these decisions are in a tough spot in North America. However if you want to see real problems look at what’s happened with Facebook in Myanmar and Sri Lanka, it’s literally enabling genocide.

Now no question there’s TONS of room for reasonable criticism here. There’s some sacred cows for sure, that’s not helping. Trying to apply standards using algorithms and lowly paid moderators has resulted in uneven and difficult to understand results as well. I believe you’ve got a front seat to that moderation problem, imagine scaling the problems you deal with here to something the size of Facebook? Then there’s the real question of dealing with extremism. It doesn’t matter if it’s ISIS or The Base, there has to be limits doesn't there?

You’ve also got to realize that these platforms realized a long time ago that recreational outrage is driving a lot of engagement, they need to figure out how to replace that revenue or their shareholders will be displeased.

Why when there’s all those aspects of the problem to discuss do you just fall back on waving your victim flag around? “Oh noes the commies are picking on us again?”

Is just lazy.

OMG...the masses here aren’t going to appreciate a well reasoned response such as this. Goes against the ‘poor, poor us’ drivel.
Kudos.

[jungleboy]

This is complete bull droppings.

These platforms have many stakeholders including shareholders and employees that are forcing these decisions. If your shareholders or the majority of your workforce are telling you they aren’t comfortable with the content on your platform then you’ve got to act or die. Add to that a strong push from Conservatives to modify the current application of common carrier status, (aka section 230) and you can see that the people in charge of these decisions are in a tough spot in North America. However if you want to see real problems look at what’s happened with Facebook in Myanmar and Sri Lanka, it’s literally enabling genocide.

Now no question there’s TONS of room for reasonable criticism here. There’s some sacred cows for sure, that’s not helping. Trying to apply standards using algorithms and lowly paid moderators has resulted in uneven and difficult to understand results as well. I believe you’ve got a front seat to that moderation problem, imagine scaling the problems you deal with here to something the size of Facebook? Then there’s the real question of dealing with extremism. It doesn’t matter if it’s ISIS or The Base, there has to be limits doesn't there?

You’ve also got to realize that these platforms realized a long time ago that recreational outrage is driving a lot of engagement, they need to figure out how to replace that revenue or their shareholders will be displeased.

Why when there’s all those aspects of the problem to discuss do you just fall back on waving your victim flag around? “Oh noes the commies are picking on us again?”

Is just lazy.


The fact remains , the Amazon did deplatform Parler ,it was and is all over the Internet.
Parler is currently suing Amazon for this event.
I could care less about the nuances and the ins and outs of the situation and that is not what I was speaking about.

I have no horse in this race , never been on Parler, never heard about it before Amazon and Google took action against it.

[tri777]

"...I could care less about the nuances and the ins and outs of the situation and that is not what I was speaking about.."
Ditto!
Rediculous over the top response to such a uneventful topic..

[urban rednek]

This is complete bull droppings.

These platforms have many stakeholders including shareholders and employees that are forcing these decisions. If your shareholders or the majority of your workforce are telling you they aren’t comfortable with the content on your platform then you’ve got to act or die. Add to that a strong push from Conservatives to modify the current application of common carrier status, (aka section 230) and you can see that the people in charge of these decisions are in a tough spot in North America. However if you want to see real problems look at what’s happened with Facebook in Myanmar and Sri Lanka, it’s literally enabling genocide.

Now no question there’s TONS of room for reasonable criticism here. There’s some sacred cows for sure, that’s not helping. Trying to apply standards using algorithms and lowly paid moderators has resulted in uneven and difficult to understand results as well. I believe you’ve got a front seat to that moderation problem, imagine scaling the problems you deal with here to something the size of Facebook? Then there’s the real question of dealing with extremism. It doesn’t matter if it’s ISIS or The Base, there has to be limits doesn't there?

You’ve also got to realize that these platforms realized a long time ago that recreational outrage is driving a lot of engagement, they need to figure out how to replace that revenue or their shareholders will be displeased.

Why when there’s all those aspects of the problem to discuss do you just fall back on waving your victim flag around? “Oh noes the commies are picking on us again?”

Is just lazy.

So you believe that employees should be able to dictate a companies business model based on their feelings? Well, bless your great big ol'heart.
Obviously, you must agree with Canada Post employees decision to NOT DELIVER mail they deem objectionable? What about a couriers right to not have to handle parcels containing material they don't agree with? How about we let the retail store clerks start deciding what clothes you are allowed to wear in their presence and what products you are allowed to buy?

The excuses put forward to deplatform opposing views was creative use of red herrings to distract the masses and provide the appearance of grassroots social justice being served.
Be careful what you wish for, censorship is a slippery slope with many unintended consequences.

As for social media sites in general, looks like I'll to have to find an expanded version of this:

[midgetwaiter]

So you believe that employees should be able to dictate a companies business model based on their feelings? Well, bless your great big ol'heart.


I believe that if you’re trying to attract and retain top tier software engineering talent then you better pay attention to their “feelings”. I don’t count myself among them but I do work with people like that and it is a significant factor in career decisions for them. I also know that if you are a senior software guy at Google and you decide to go get a new job it would take all of about 15 minutes. I get recruited once every couple weeks, for those guys it’s CONSTANT.


Obviously, you must agree with Canada Post employees decision to NOT DELIVER mail they deem objectionable?


I’m somewhat sympathetic to them but I didn’t support them in the recent Epoch Times stuff. Regardless it’s hardly an equivalent situation, you could replace a letter carrier or store clerk a lot easier.


Be careful what you wish for, censorship is a slippery slope with many unintended consequences.


Ummm yeah, I know. That’s why I said there’s a more complicated discussion that should be had than “the left controls tech”.

[KC1]

Why with all the trouble conservatives, gun owners, re-loaders, hunters and I am sure I am missing others, has no one started a platform for us. It is like the best business people are all progressives that want their world view represented and block all others. What stopping a conservative business man starting his own model.

Another question, when Pornhub said they would take all hunting, shooting and reloading videos, why was their not a mass migration. Yes I realize Pornhub is not ideal, but this BS of constantly trying to get around YouTube and Facebook censors is getting old.

Just asking.....

Agreed with first question
About second question, I would not go on pornhub,whatever the hech that is.

[midgetwaiter]

The fact remains , the Amazon did deplatform Parler ,it was and is all over the Internet.
Parler is currently suing Amazon for this event.
I could care less about the nuances and the ins and outs of the situation and that is not what I was speaking about.


So basically, “I don’t understand this but here’s my opinion”.

Ok then.

[jungleboy]

Ummm yeah, I know. That’s why I said there’s a more complicated discussion that should be had than “the left controls tech”.

To my mind , if big Tech is allowing its left leaning employees to dictate company policy, then absolutely the left controls big tech.

On top of that , people like Bezos and Zuckerberg have shown themselves to be very left leaning as well.

Not that complicated .

[midgetwaiter]

To my mind , if big Tech is allowing its left leaning employees to dictate company policy, then absolutely the left controls big tech.

On top of that , people like Bezos and Zuckerberg have shown themselves to be very left leaning as well.


In my experience there’s a diverse range of political opinions amongst people in tech, almost absurdly so. What’s common among them is a dislike for the fact averse q-anon dingbat wing of the contemporary conservative movement. That’s what led to this.

[jungleboy]

This thread went sideways in a hurry , I apologize to the op for contributing to that.
Let’s keep it on track shall we.

[EZM]

I'm not sure I understand the issue - there are plenty of fishing groups, outfitters, trappers, hunters, and groups about the same stuff on facebook, twitter, etc...

I am a follower, or private member on many of these groups.

I have not seen any content blocked or taken down myself ........ and, to be honest, if you had a private group, and a simple disclaimer of content (like many do) there is no problem is there?

As a member of a group, I can upload anything I want, and there are some graphic contents on some of these sites that don't get censored.

It could be I haven't seen it, I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but I haven't seen it ...

https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater

https://www.facebook.com/groups/albertahuntingaddicts

https://www.facebook.com/groups/529240807549365

[midgetwaiter]

Why with all the trouble conservatives, gun owners, re-loaders, hunters and I am sure I am missing others, has no one started a platform for us. It is like the best business people are all progressives that want their world view represented and block all others. What stopping a conservative business man starting his own model.

I don’t think there’s a better illustration of the problem than the moderators chopping up this thread because they didn’t like it when I challenged the basic premise.

The issue is that you need that low or zero cost entry to get people on your platform. However because of that you end up with algorithms trying to classify content and doing it badly because of the scale. You could fix YouTube’s problems in a hurry if everybody was paying $20/month to use it so you could afford to handle moderation better.

I see why looks like progressives trying to push an agenda (there is some of that too) but most of it is trying to limit liability for content. If somebody goes and blows up a building with a bomb they learned how to make on your conservative social media platform there’s going to be hell to pay. How do you avoid that?

[jungleboy]

I don’t think there’s a better illustration of the problem than the moderators chopping up this thread because they didn’t like it when I challenged the basic premise.

The issue is that you need that low or zero cost entry to get people on your platform. However because of that you end up with algorithms trying to classify content and doing it badly because of the scale. You could fix YouTube’s problems in a hurry if everybody was paying $20/month to use it so you could afford to handle moderation better.

I see why looks like progressives trying to push an agenda (there is some of that too) but most of it is trying to limit liability for content. If somebody goes and blows up a building with a bomb they learned how to make on your conservative social media platform there’s going to be hell to pay. How do you avoid that?

You are right , I shouldn’t have deleted any posts but just closed the thread on the merits of a derailed thread.

[pikergolf]

I'm not sure I understand the issue - there are plenty of fishing groups, outfitters, trappers, hunters, and groups about the same stuff on facebook, twitter, etc...

I am a follower, or private member on many of these groups.

I have not seen any content blocked or taken down myself ........ and, to be honest, if you had a private group, and a simple disclaimer of content (like many do) there is no problem is there?

As a member of a group, I can upload anything I want, and there are some graphic contents on some of these sites that don't get censored.

It could be I haven't seen it, I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but I haven't seen it ...

https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater

https://www.facebook.com/groups/albertahuntingaddicts

https://www.facebook.com/groups/529240807549365

YouTube content gets randomly censored. I follow some reloading guys and equipment testers. they refer to bullets with terms like freedom pills because they will get picked out if they use words like bullet. Sometimes the censors will pick out one video, seemly randomly and censor it for unappropriated content. I just don't get why they stay with You Tube if it is such a hassle, hopefully someone will start a share platform that all can use. Rumble looks like it might be such a forum. I am certainly no expert on this, just passing on what the content makers are saying.

[midgetwaiter]

YouTube content gets randomly censored. I follow some reloading guys and equipment testers. they refer to bullets with terms like freedom pills because they will get picked out if they use words like bullet. Sometimes the censors will pick out one video, seemly randomly and censor it for unappropriated content. I just don't get why they stay with You Tube if it is such a hassle, hopefully someone will start a share platform that all can use. Rumble looks like it might be such a forum. I am certainly no expert on this, just passing on what the content makers are saying.

Did you see the video where Eric Cortina was watering plants while using words like bullet and AR15 to see what would happen? A person isn’t making those decisions, the economics dictate they do it with an automated system and it doesn’t work very well yet.

[MountainTi]

The biggest problem with left wing/liberal biased MSM/social platforms is that there are large numbers of individuals that believe it doesn't exist.

#factcheck