Ammo factory Ukraine

[trapperdodge]

Good news, Canada is planning on building an ammunition plant in the Ukraine.....

[Trochu]

Putin will sure appreciate that!

[Drewski Canuck]

Now that is soo FUNNY!!!!

I have a "crazy" idea. But hear me out and tell me what you think.

We have incredible unemployment on a bunch of First Nations Communities, like the Maskwicis, for instance.

Do you know that between the 4 bands, there are about 10,000 people?

Do you know that there is about 80 % Unemployment?

Alot of pretty menial tasks could be performed by these people even if they have not finished high school.

The actual powder charging is all mechanized anyway so most of the time is spent doing Quality Control and manual sorting and feeder / hopper loading, the sort of stuff you train people to do.

This workforce would learn skills, learn work ethic, get paid money and get off Social Supports. AND they won't be nearly as strategically risky if anything did happen with Russia.

First missile Putin would launch is at the Ammunition plant in the Ukraine. Not a bright idea, but hey, what would I know.

Drewski

[Smoky buck]

Why not build it in Canada and create some jobs here :thinking-006:

[Drewski Canuck]

Why not build it in Canada and create some jobs here :thinking-006:

ARE YOU NUTS!! With that kind of reasoning how would the Liberals ever succeed in destroying any future for our Children.

STOP THE CRAZY TALK! YOU ARE A BAD LIBERAL!

Drewski

[Trochu]

YOU ARE A BAD LIBERAL!

Drewski

Compliment of the year? and it's only 10th January!

[Pioneer2]

Be built in Iceland so if we ever need ammo quick.

[Sooner]

Why not build it in Canada and create some jobs here :thinking-006:

My thoughts too.

[urban rednek]

They effectively legislated our munition manufacturers out of existence, now they want to use taxpayer dollars to build a plant in the Ukraine?
Liberal hypocrisy knows no bounds. :angry3:

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/30830/Canada_to_Build_Small_Arms_Ammunition__Gunpowder_P lants_in_Ukraine#.Ydx8UiYTH3g

Canada to Build Small Arms Ammunition, Gunpowder Plants in Ukraine
November 23, 2021
The Government of Canada plans to build small arms ammunition, gunpowder and capsule plants in Ukraine as part of its expanded cooperation with Kiev in the defense industry.

"The Government of Canada, represented by the Canadian Commercial Corporation, has sent a corresponding official letter to the State Concern UkrOboronProm. This is not only about the construction of a cartridge plant, but also about the construction of gunpowder and capsule plants," – said Kateryna Rogach, Advisor to the Director General of UkrOboronProm.

A letter to UkrOboronProm from the Canadian Commercial Corporation dated November 5 stated that a new company, Gold Leaf Munitions Inc., has been formed to finalize the creation of a small-arms ammunition depot, creation of a viable practical primer facility and support the modernization of the gunpower facility in Ukraine.

It should be noted that on June 1 this year, the State Concern "UkrOboronProm" and the Government of Canada, represented by the Canadian Commercial Corporation, reached agreements on cooperation in the field of strategic security, defense, aerospace activities and ammunition production by signing the relevant Memorandum of understanding (MoU), a UkrOboronProm release said.

Within the framework of the Memorandum, the UkrOboronProm and its subsidiary Company, Artem signed an agreement with the Canadian Commercial Corporation on November 5 initiating amendments to the June 1 MoU, significantly expanding cooperation in the defense industry.

Thus, in addition to the construction of a cartridge plant, the Canadian side proposes to build factories for the production of gunpowder and capsules to ensure a closed cycle of ammunition production in Ukraine.

The launch of this international project is designed to strengthen Ukraine's defense capability.

More recent:
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/canada-making-plans-to-build-ammo-factory-in-ukraine-amid-tensions-with-russia

Canada making plans to build ammo factory in Ukraine amid tensions with Russia
The initiative involves a number of Ontario companies and the Canadian Commercial Corporation in Ottawa.
David Pugliese • Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Jan 10, 2022

Amid mounting tensions with Russia over Ukraine, Canada is making plans to build an ammunition factory in the latter country with help from a number of Ontario-based companies.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has threatened a military response if NATO nations, including Canada, continue with “unfriendly” actions and their “obviously aggressive stance” concerning Ukraine.
Russia is concerned NATO will bring neighbouring Ukraine into the military alliance and has demanded guarantees that it won’t happen. Since November, NATO has been warning that Russia could be planning a large-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Ukraine, which has been fighting Russian-backed separatists since 2014, has been calling on Canada and other NATO countries to provide it with modern weaponry and equipment. Ukraine lacks a facility to produce small-arms ammunition and has been lobbying Canada since 2017 for help in constructing one.
That initiative is now being planned and involves a number of Ontario companies and the Canadian Commercial Corporation in Ottawa. “CCC’s support to Ukraine is currently at the exploratory stage,” confirmed Mouktar Abdillahi, a spokesperson for the corporation.

The Canadian Commercial Corporation is a federal Crown corporation that helps Canadian firms secure international contracts with governments.

The ammunition factory proposal has taken a number of twists and turns over the past seven months.

In June, Waterbury Farrel of Brampton, Ont. announced it had joined with a newly created firm called GL Munitions, based in Toronto, to provide Ukraine with the ammunition-production facility. Waterbury Farrel stated it was working with the Canadian government, through the Canadian Commercial Corporation, to meet that goal. Also involved in the venture was Ukroboronprom, Ukraine’s organization of defence firms.

But GL Munitions has been dissolved, according to federal records. Andrew Leslie, a former Liberal MP and retired Canadian Forces lieutenant general, who was a director at the company, told this newspaper he was no longer associated with the venture. Leslie did not provide further details.

Waterbury Farrel did not respond to a request for comment.

On Nov. 5, the CCC informed Ukroboronprom that GL Munitions had changed its corporate structure. “The founders of the Corporation have indicated that these changes will expedite the process towards finalizing the creation of the small-arms ammunition depot,” the CCC letter noted.

In the same letter, the CCC revealed the existence of a new firm called Gold Leaf Munitions, with the same address in Toronto as GL Munitions. David Angus of the Capital Hill Group in Ottawa is listed as a director of Gold Leaf Munitions, but did not respond to repeated requests for comment. Angus had been previously registered as a consultant for GL Munitions, according to the federal registry of lobbyists.

Ukraine once had a small-arms ammunition production facility, but it is located in an area now controlled by Russian-backed separatists.

In December 2017, the House of Commons defence committee recommended the Canadian government provide weapons to Ukraine, provided it demonstrated it was working to eliminate corruption at all levels of government. Ukraine is considered one of the most corrupt countries in the world, but its government has been trying to deal with the problem.

Canada has already supplied some equipment to Ukraine, including mine-clearing gear, helmets, tents, first-aid kits and bullet-proof vests. A Winnipeg company has also provided sniper rifles.

In response to Russia’s backing of separatists in eastern Ukraine and its annexation of the Crimean Peninsula in 2014, Canada sent troops to help train Ukraine’s military.

Canadian foreign affairs minister Mélanie Joly called on Russia on Friday to “de-escalate and engage in meaningful dialogue — any military incursion into Ukraine will have serious consequences, including coordinated sanctions.”

Besides a ban on Ukraine joining NATO, Putin has demanded that NATO scale back its troops and weapons in the region.

On Friday, though, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg rejected any proposal that would stop the continued expansion of the military alliance or limit the deployment of troops and weapons.

U.S. President Joe Biden has also warned Putin that Russia will pay a “terrible price” for any invasion of Ukraine.

[CNP]

My wife says quite frequently that they should do this and they should do that......and this thread reminds me of that.

Who are they?

If you're in the crowd that says they........maybe you should be they and build whatever it is you think they should build :):):):):):):):):):):):)

[straight]

Good news, Canada is planning on building an ammunition plant in the Ukraine.....

What exactly made you so happy?

[EZM]

Why not build it in Canada and create some jobs here :thinking-006:

Trudeau would NEVER support a government subsidized program with anything to do with firearms or ammunition - I'm about 100% certain on that.

Ukraine sounds like a better option to me .... :)

[saskbooknut]

On the other hand, if Ukraine is just figuring that they need an ammunition plant, with Russians massed on the border, there's no hope of saving them.

[Grizzly Adams1]

Good news, Canada is planning on building an ammunition plant in the Ukraine.....

Apparently, all we've been sending them to fight the Russians is winter clothing, being the Peace Keepers we profess to be. :lol:

Grizz

[Blastoff]

Maybe its a payback for the internmet camps we had here holding them Ukrainians, he should just give them $40,000.00 per head :fighting0074:

[sourdough doug]

[QUOTE=Grizzly Adams1;4469050]Apparently, all we've been sending them to fight the Russians is winter clothing,

And brightly colored patterned socks

[trapperdodge]

sarcasm

[Drewski Canuck]

On the other hand, if Ukraine is just figuring that they need an ammunition plant, with Russians massed on the border, there's no hope of saving them.

Its not that the Ukrainians just figured out they need an ammunition plant, the only question is who could they get to pay for it, and how much they could steal from it.

In 2014 Canada sent officially non lethal body armour. Within the day of being received, the ones who unloaded it and stole it were selling the Canadian Gift on the Internet. True Story.

Apparently there were other shipments of rather lethal equipment as well.

The trouble with the Ukraine is that under Soviet rule, the name of the game was to steal everything from the State and sell it on the black market.

Then under Democracy the same thieves got themselves elected, and really stole.

Before all the problems broke out in 2013 Russia was going to give 2 Billion rubles as a support payment to the Eastern leaning President in power. The West was also trying to bribe Ukraine to look to Europe, and you guessed it, the people saw next to no benefit because the politicians stole everything.

After the change of Presidents, Ukraine declared that the official language now was Ukrainian. The Russian speakers in Ukraine knew their best interests laid with Russia, and Crimea was invaded and the Eastern Provinces separated.

So if you want to build an Ammo plant in Ukraine, don't expect to be paid for it and don't expect to get any Ammo from it.

The worst day for Ukrainian politicians was when the Western Aid to fight the Russians / Separatists was tied to Ukraine turning over economic control of its Government to the International Monetary Fund. The stealing stopped and taxes were collected and debt was paid.

If you really want to fight the Russians from within, its as simple as ending the corruption in the Ukraine, and the Country prospering for its citizens.

Then point out to the Russians what they could have if they ended the corruption of Russia by the Oligarchs in their Country.

Drewski

[Grizzly Adams1]

Its not that the Ukrainians just figured out they need an ammunition plant, the only question is who could they get to pay for it, and how much they could steal from it.

In 2014 Canada sent officially non lethal body armour. Within the day of being received, the ones who unloaded it and stole it were selling the Canadian Gift on the Internet. True Story.

Apparently there were other shipments of rather lethal equipment as well.

The trouble with the Ukraine is that under Soviet rule, the name of the game was to steal everything from the State and sell it on the black market.

Then under Democracy the same thieves got themselves elected, and really stole.

Before all the problems broke out in 2013 Russia was going to give 2 Billion rubles as a support payment to the Eastern leaning President in power. The West was also trying to bribe Ukraine to look to Europe, and you guessed it, the people saw next to no benefit because the politicians stole everything.

After the change of Presidents, Ukraine declared that the official language now was Ukrainian. The Russian speakers in Ukraine knew their best interests laid with Russia, and Crimea was invaded and the Eastern Provinces separated.

So if you want to build an Ammo plant in Ukraine, don't expect to be paid for it and don't expect to get any Ammo from it.

The worst day for Ukrainian politicians was when the Western Aid to fight the Russians / Separatists was tied to Ukraine turning over economic control of its Government to the International Monetary Fund. The stealing stopped and taxes were collected and debt was paid.

If you really want to fight the Russians from within, its as simple as ending the corruption in the Ukraine, and the Country prospering for its citizens.

Then point out to the Russians what they could have if they ended the corruption of Russia by the Oligarchs in their Country.

Drewski

None of the former Soviet republics have advanced much since the collapse of the Soviet Union. They're rotten beyond redemption. the leader of Kazakhstan just ordered his security forces to shoot to kill dissident demonstrators.

Grizz

[straight]

None of the former Soviet republics have advanced much since the collapse of the Soviet Union. They're rotten beyond redemption. the leader of Kazakhstan just ordered his security forces to shoot to kill dissident demonstrators.

Grizz

I'm curious how many cops need to be killed by "dissident demonstrators" in US (for example) before the police start shooting live ammo at them. In KZ it happened after 12 cops were killed and two of them decapitated.

[fordtruckin]

Has anyone seen Hunter Biden around this new Ukrainian deal???

[Puma]

Why did this not surprise me ..

Andrew Leslie, a former Liberal MP and retired Canadian Forces lieutenant general, who was a director at the company, told this newspaper he was no longer associated with the venture.

[Ackleyman]

Canadian foreign affairs minister Mélanie Joly called on Russia on Friday to “de-escalate and engage in meaningful dialogue — any military incursion into Ukraine will have serious consequences, including coordinated sanctions.”

Ha Ha , Poke the Bear with the ammo plant thing then threaten a super power..................un real. Russian Roulette at it's finest

[Sundancefisher]

Canadian foreign affairs minister Mélanie Joly called on Russia on Friday to “de-escalate and engage in meaningful dialogue — any military incursion into Ukraine will have serious consequences, including coordinated sanctions.”

Ha Ha , Poke the Bear with the ammo plant thing then threaten a super power..................un real. Russian Roulette at it's finest

USSR was a super power. Russia is the bully kid who wants to be seen as a super power. They need international support so the other eastern block countries have to be seen as part of their power structure.

They do every thing they can to annoy other superpowers into meetings so internally they can say “hey y’all… look at us superpowers meeting”.

Stand alone countries… only US and China are superpowers. China's funding as a superpower comes from the rest of the world supporting their economy which in turn pays for their bullying tactics at home and abroad… such as the South China Sea.

[Ackleyman]

Russian Military 3,568,000 . 1,014,000 active.

US 1840 fighter aircraft. Russia 1319

US 162 Bombers . Russia 181

US 6000 Tanks Russia 12,000

They might be classed as the "Bully Kid" but if the sheet hits the fan.....

[Sundancefisher]

Russian Military 3,568,000 . 1,014,000 active.

US 1840 fighter aircraft. Russia 1319

US 162 Bombers . Russia 181

US 6000 Tanks Russia 12,000

They might be classed as the "Bully Kid" but if the sheet hits the fan.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

Be careful of your statistics.

A lot of Russian tanks are 50 years old. Some have been retrofitted.

The sheer volume of money spent by militaries is a real defining statistic.

US spends $778 billion/year

China $252 billion

Russia…$61 billion.

Russian tactics have always been to be a destabilizing force that brings others into conflict for them and in turn countries need to negotiate with Russia to have them stop.

Russia isn’t stupid. They don’t want to be in a war funded by the west. While they have lots of old equipment to be cannon fodder and hope to take out some expensive western assets… they want political influence back that has been bleeding away.

Also politically… the transition to democracy hasn’t worked post Soviet era in many areas. It’s a different mindset and the older generation isn’t comfortable with the pace and personal responsibility of a capitalist economy. The middle age generation is heavily influenced by the older generation and leans their way. The younger generation is struggling for control but within an oligarchy they can get past the boomer and gen X influence.

Putin sees his sphere crumbling… only was to keep it intact is to unite the country with a defined enemy… that being the west.

As long as he can maintain strong controls over the internet and over the military, police and politburo… nothing will change.

In the Ukraine… Crimea was successful in most part due to the area being mostly Russian Speaking and wanting the old Russian ways. Politics often flow based upon language spoken.

Plus as said… Russian and eastern block countries have tons of corruption.

[brendan's dad]

Has anyone seen Hunter Biden around this new Ukrainian deal???

I was just going to ask the same thing.

Maybe we will start selling our lumber, steel, and potatoes again?

[CaberTosser]

Build the ammo plant here and ship them finished goods. Plant will be safe on our turf, provide construction and operation employment and it should have surplus capacity for domestic production :) . Win/win/win

[Ackleyman]

Be careful of your statistics
There not my stats , got them from the same place as you. No country is going to honestly disclose what they do or do not have to a potential enemy
But.....
Do you shake in your boots when the chihuahua barks at you? Putin must have had a good laugh at that one.