Obama working on complete anhilation of gun ownership.

[S.A.S]

Obama Finds Legal Way Around The 2nd. Amendment and Uses It.
Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:56pm EDT Reuters News Service
The Full Article Here
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE59E0Q920091015
Subject: Obama Takes First Step in Banning All Firearms
On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States

On Wednesday the Obama administration took its first major step in a plan to ban all firearms in the United States. The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms.



The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened. Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth? What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress. We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public. We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment.

This is not a joke nor a false warning. As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control.

Read the Article

U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto.

The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush’s administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better.

The Full Article
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE59E0Q920091015

[sheephunter]

More gun control is never a good thing but I don't read into that article that it would prevent a hunter from owning a rifle. I appreciate the concern the American gunowners must have though.

[S.A.S]

Reuters is a pretty reliable source, It will be something to keep an eye on.

[mtylerb]

More gun control is never a good thing but I don't read into that article that it would prevent a hunter from owning a rifle. I appreciate the concern the American gunowners must have though.

However, owning a handgun for self defense (not hunting) purposes is entrenched in American society. This is a scary move for them and a disturbing one for me. I, personally, believe their second amendment should be law here too. Hunters should be just as scared, down there, as any other freedom loving person.

[1899b]

What about the trapshooters, skeetshooters, biatheletes, competition handgunners and all that??? There is more than just "Hunters" owning guns.

[sheephunter]

The second amendment is open to all kind of interpretation and ultimately it protects their right to bear arms but what type of arms is not defined. That's why I don't think these international treaties could ever trump the 2nd ammendment but it could limit the type of firearms Americans can own and it could put more strenuous requirements on firearm ownership. Many states and cities have already started down this path with out violating the second ammendment.

[sheephunter]

What about the trapshooters, skeetshooters, biatheletes, competition handgunners and all that??? There is more than just "Hunters" owning guns.

Hunters were just one example I used...they weren't singled out in the article and it was just a single example by me. Don't read more into it than that. My response was just to the statement that all guns could be taken away. I'm sure hunting guns couldn't be just as there are many more examples as you pointed out.

[mtylerb]

The second amendment is open to all kind of interpretation and ultimately it protects their right to bear arms but what type of arms is not defined. That's why I don't think these international treaties could ever trump the 2nd ammendment but it could limit the type of firearms Americans can own and it could put more strenuous requirements on forearm ownership. Many states and cities have already started down this path with out violating the second ammendment.

That's open to interpretation. Washington, DC, for example lost the Heller vs DC firearms challenge. They had to remove their handgun prohibition and allow people to own them again.

As far as their courts have decided, handguns cannot be restricted as a class, because they're useful in self defence situations. I think the only thing the courts have interpreted as being unnecessary is full automatics.

[sheephunter]

Reuters is a pretty reliable source, It will be something to keep an eye on.

They are a very reliable source but if you read the article it says nothing about Obama working to take all guns away. I'm not sure who wrote those additional comments in your post but it wasn't Reuters.

[sheephunter]

That's open to interpretation. Washington, DC, for example lost the Heller vs DC firearms challenge. They had to remove their handgun prohibition and allow people to own them again.

As far as their courts have decided, handguns cannot be restricted as a class, because they're useful in self defence situations. I think the only thing the courts have interpreted as being unnecessary is full automatics.

And I'm sure the Supreme Court will have to rule on many more things which just proves that it is open to interpretation.

[Tundra Monkey]

On a similar note I got an e-mail the other day saying that the long gun registry is pretty much dead here.....one more reading in the Senate and it's finished or some political mumbo jumbo like that.

The e-mail actually named our NDP MP and he voted to can it :cool:

tm

[sheephunter]

On a similar note I got an e-mail the other day saying that the long gun registry is pretty much dead here.....one more reading in the Senate and it's finished or some political mumbo jumbo like that.

The e-mail actually named our NDP MP and he voted to can it :cool:

tm

I wouldn't hold your breath on that one....it's gone to committee and once it comes back from committee it needs a third reading and then another vote before going to the Liberal dominated senate for approval. Alot could happen in the meantime but things are on the right track.

[Tundra Monkey]

Ahh OK...I hope some of the ol' fellers remember what it was like back in the day.

tm

[1899b]

Not really the thing you want to read right now with our registry bill going in front of the senate. Don't want our politicians being influenced by Obama's hair brained schemes.

[sheephunter]

The good news is that the Senate will have a conservative majority by January and it's unlikely this bill will reach it before then. Barring an election, we might see the end of the long gun registry but I'm not getting my hopes too high.

[Grizzly Adams]

He's just following the UN line, which wants to abolish the private ownership of firearms.

http://www.un.org/av/special/armed/
Grizz

[fish-man]

Obama might increase gun control but I highly doubt he will try to take everyone's guns away. He might be liberal but he isn't stupid and the American public would never stand for it.

[Nationwide]

Obama might increase gun control but I highly doubt he will try to take everyone's guns away. He might be liberal but he isn't stupid and the American public would never stand for it.amen to that some of those hunter's down south wouldn't like someone asking them to hand over there guns I dont think it would go over very well:lol::lol:

[rugatika]

Never vote for a liberal or a communist. (The big zero is both). I could be mistaken but I believe that a supermajority is required in the senate to ratify a treaty. (ie: 2/3 of the vote or 67 senators.)

The UN is comprised of dictators, commies, and degenerates in general. The whole thing should be defunded and collapsed. It's a breeding ground for losers.

I think it would be interesting to watch a bunch of blue helmets getting perforated as they tried to confiscate firearms from true Americans (as opposed to the faux Americans like Alec Baldwin, Democrats, etc who are traitors to the constitution.


Let this be a lesson to anyone that would ever consider voting for some moron promising the government will fix everything for them.

[Albertadiver]

Keep in mind the OP had 'Hail Timothy McVeigh' in his sig line not so long ago...

[S.A.S]

Keep in mind the OP had 'Hail Timothy McVeigh' in his sig line not so long ago...

Lol Ol timmy and Obongo are not anywheres near the same type of person

[Forest Techer]

yup the sky is falling.

All I'm waiting for is someone to say sheeple or socialism then I'll know I should really be afraid.

The guy can't even scrape a health care bill together without enraging people and thats giving something to Americans (good or bad), I can't imagine what would happen if he tried to take something away. It would be political suicide, he'd be out in 3 years and democrats would loose a huge majority and they would reverse it.

Look at gay marraige. Went one way then they all (states) reversed it. (that was to help a minority and shouldn't of bothered anybody)

Shouldn't loose any sleeep over it

[midgetwaiter]

Reuters is a pretty reliable source, It will be something to keep an eye on.

Yeah reuters is pretty reliable, however that summary of the article you posted is garbage. I seriously thought I had clicked on the wrong link until I put the title of the summary into a search engine and found this:

http://www.resistnet.com/forum/topics/obama-takes-first-step-in

The treaty described in the article is aimed at regulating international sales it has nothing to do with any nation's domestic policies. As an example, I don't think anyone can argue that being able to restrict arms sales to Sudan would be a bad thing considering the current circumstances. That summary is a paranoid delusion.

Additionally, the US executive can sign whatever treaty they like, it is not law until said treaty is ratified by the US senate. Similar mechanisms are in place in Canada, the idea that our domestic laws can be overridden by a treaty is ridiculous, parliament MUST vote to accept the treaty before it is law.

[S.A.S]

yup the sky is falling.

All I'm waiting for is someone to say sheeple or socialism then I'll know I should really be afraid.

The guy can't even scrape a health care bill together without enraging people and thats giving something to Americans (good or bad), I can't imagine what would happen if he tried to take something away. It would be political suicide, he'd be out in 3 years and democrats would loose a huge majority and they would reverse it.

Look at gay marraige. Went one way then they all (states) reversed it. (that was to help a minority and shouldn't of bothered anybody)

Shouldn't loose any sleeep over it

Gay marriage shouldn't have bothered anybody? Marriage is supposed to be sacred between a man and a woman. Gays have disgraced the name of Marriage

[huntinstuff]

Obama has so much more to worry about than firearms.....

Actually, maybe he SHOULD worry about firearms.....

[S.A.S]

Obama has so much more to worry about than firearms.....

Actually, maybe he SHOULD worry about firearms.....

Lol alot of people are wagering he doesn't make it for the 4 full years, I tend to agree with them.

[Kanonfodder]

Gay marriage shouldn't have bothered anybody? Marriage is supposed to be sacred between a man and a woman. Gays have disgraced the name of Marriage

WOW really? Gay people should have the right to be as miserable in marriage as everyone else.

Im really curious to your rationale on that

[S.A.S]

WOW really? Gay people should have the right to be as miserable in marriage as everyone else.

Im really curious to your rationale on that

Rationale on what? Marriage is between a man and a woman has been for 1000's of years, But because gays are a special interest group we have to tow their line or were being insensitive to there needs and are just bigoted *******s. Im offended that marriage is no longer sacred, Im offended that the cross and bible are no longer in school, Im offended that we had to change the red ensign to a maple leaf so people coming here would feel more welcome. The message portrayed by Canada is that as long as Minority groups and immigrants arnt offended then its Ok!

[Forest Techer]

it was a mistake to add that and de rail this. But i can't resist

You may be confusing the religious sacrement of marraige with something else. I don't believe that has anything to giving consenting adults equality in regards to visitation rights at a hospital or tax breaks and things like that.

Its one of the last acceptable forms of discrimination. Gay couples have less rights then other couples. How would it hurt anyone for them to have equality under the law. Forget the sacrement.

[Forest Techer]

Have you ever watched Jerry springer or Ricky lake? Hear or read about certain heterosexual "marraiges" in utah and southern B.C . Theres worse things going on and have been going on under the guise marraige

[Kanonfodder]

it was a mistake to add that and de rail this. But i can't resist

You may be confusing the religious sacrement of marraige with something else. I don't believe that has anything to giving consenting adults equality in regards to visitation rights at a hospital or tax breaks and things like that.

Its one of the last acceptable forms of discrimination. Gay couples have less rights then other couples. How would it hurt anyone for them to have equality under the law. Forget the sacrement.

Well said....also whos to say that your particular religious beliefs are correct? Why not the Koran and a crescent moon or a Star of David? If marriage was truly sacred there would be no divorce. As for the red ensign..why wouldn't Canada as an emerging country want its own flag?

[hockey1099]

Rationale on what? Marriage is between a man and a woman has been for 1000's of years, But because gays are a special interest group we have to tow their line or were being insensitive to there needs and are just bigoted *******s. Im offended that marriage is no longer sacred, Im offended that the cross and bible are no longer in school, Im offended that we had to change the red ensign to a maple leaf so people coming here would feel more welcome. The message portrayed by Canada is that as long as Minority groups and immigrants arnt offended then its Ok!

Im going to offend you some more. Man created god and your religious beliefs have no place in the legal defination of marriage. If your church wants to discrimanate against homo's good for them. Their bigotry will be their downfall. But all canadians regardless of race, gender, or sexual orientation should be treated the same. Gays should be allowed to marry. God has no place in our courts, schools or government. Gays are not a special interest group they are a segment of our population who deserve to be treated equally. Its amazing how a man worried about some one taking away his guns is so willing to take away rights from others.

[Scratch]

Gay marriage shouldn't have bothered anybody? Marriage is supposed to be sacred between a man and a woman. Gays have disgraced the name of Marriage

Biblically speaking, you might be correct, but that's only one of many interpretations of 'marriage'.


According to Confucius, "Marriage is the union (of the representatives) of two different surnames, in friendship and in love, in order to continue the posterity of the former sages, and to furnish those who shall preside at the sacrifices to heaven and earth, at those in the ancestral temple, and at those at the altars to the spirits of the land and grain."[5]

Philosopher, historian, and literary essayist Thomas De Quincey defined marriage as "a union between two persons, who lived in harmony so absolute with each other, as to be independent of the world outside."[6]


It's all a matter of perspective. Gay marriage should have bothered those for whom it has been stigmatized, or for those whose faith says it should.

For the rest of us - it was either a non-issue, or an issue relating to the right of two human beings being permitted to make the same commitment to their partner as any other couple.

I realize this is a hunting forum, so lets try to keep the God-Fearin, Land of Milk and Honey, or Valhallah out of it and stick to the issue at hand.

We've got a 'gun-totin-republican' who thinks the Whitehouse has turned a shade darker, and is turning communist - I mean socialist - and has a bug up the you know what.

Obama may be more progressive and socially capable than previous presidents, and may be overestimating the intelligence of his nation, but he isn't stupid.

[1899b]

Im going to offend you some more. Man created god and your religious beliefs have no place in the legal defination of marriage. If your church wants to discrimanate against homo's good for them. Their bigotry will be their downfall. But all canadians regardless of race, gender, or sexual orientation should be treated the same. Gays should be allowed to marry. God has no place in our courts, schools or government. Gays are not a special interest group they are a segment of our population who deserve to be treated equally. Its amazing how a man worried about some one taking away his guns is so willing to take away rights from others.

................very very well said.

Im offended that marriage is no longer sacred, Im offended that the cross and bible are no longer in school,
Nothing has started more world wars and suffering throughout world history than religion. This Roman Catholic thinks religion is way overrated.

[S.A.S]

................very very well said.


Nothing has started more world wars and suffering throughout world history than religion. This Roman Catholic thinks religion is way overrated.

Its what this country was founded on and it should be respected and honoured.

[S.A.S]

Well said....also whos to say that your particular religious beliefs are correct? Why not the Koran and a crescent moon or a Star of David? If marriage was truly sacred there would be no divorce. As for the red ensign..why wouldn't Canada as an emerging country want its own flag?

The flag shows Canada's European roots and we shouldn't have had to change it to meet other peoples needs.

[Kanonfodder]

The flag shows Canada's European roots and we shouldn't have had to change it to meet other peoples needs.

Lol thats hogwash......technically we ( canada ) was founded by indigenous people so your argument is without merit.

[S.A.S]

Lol thats hogwash......technically we ( canada ) was founded by indigenous people so your argument is without merit.

LOL Canada wasn't a country before we showed up and bones of Europeans were found here long before the Indians arrived + Leif Ericsson also arrived prior to the Indians. And to add to the argument the Red Ensign shows the nations that civilized North America. Indians werent considered a nation they were considered nomadic tribes.

[IR_mike]

LOL Canada wasn't a country before we showed up and bones of Europeans were found here long before the Indians arrived + Leif Ericsson also arrived prior to the Indians.

Where did you get this from?
Try to post factual info, It will give your posts some legitimacy.
That is way out there.
"East" indians ok, aboriginal/indigenous people, I don't think so.:huh:

[Scratch]

Im offended that marriage is no longer sacred, Im offended that the cross and bible are no longer in school, Im offended that we had to change the red ensign to a maple leaf so people coming here would feel more welcome.

Some would suggest that they were offended by another religion being forced upon them, moreso I'm disgusted that this province would rather omit portions of a childs education for fear of that cross and bible, than teach a child the value of alternate viewpoints.

The Red Ensign, whose primary image was that of the Union Standard was outmoded for a country entering it's own in 1965. We had stepped beyond the role of Colony, and needed to stand on our own in the world. The maple leaf was formed from the Red Ensign, and the flag of the Royal Military College.

I'm not sure where your issue lies - but it's clear you want us to know about it.

Why the hell am I wasting my time even commenting though. I feel like I just got trolled....

[hockey1099]

LOL Canada wasn't a country before we showed up and bones of Europeans were found here long before the Indians arrived + Leif Ericsson also arrived prior to the Indians. And to add to the argument the Red Ensign shows the nations that civilized North America. Indians werent considered a nation they were considered nomadic tribes.

Wow. Your comments will probably play better on storm front or some other white power web site. Your boy Lief was here what 1000Ad? And you dont think north American Natives were here first?

.

[S.A.S]

Wow. Your comments will probably play better on storm front or some other white power web site. Your boy Lief was here what 1000Ad? And you dont think north American Natives were here first?

.

Stormfront is a Joke. And nothing ive said is "White power", Someone brought it up that Indians were here first and I expressed my opinions on that. Ive not discriminated agaisnt any ethnic minority.

[roadkill]

Wow, what a thread.

Okay, as for that first post, it's a typical neo-con piece of panic-mongering that takes some very questionable leaps from what's really in the article.

The fact is that there are a lot of guys who want Obama out no matter what. He's even found a way to bring that country a little human dignity in the form of a healthcare plan that *doesn't* tax the spin out of everyone. But Americans are afraid of change, and that's what Obama represents. Everything that's being written about him has to be seen through that filter.

The gay marriage question's been settled, I think for the better. back when this wasn't settled, I agreed with gays getting a 'civil union,' simply because I argued that all marriages should henceforth be civil unions, with built-in renewal terms. Say, five years after marriage, you can opt out if it's not working, otherwise it continues for another five of 10 years, etc. It would end a lot of the divorce ugliness, and gays would have the exact same rights as heteros. Probably works better in theory than in practise, but whatever, it no longer matters. The way things are is fine by me. I'm sorry, but the religious argument just doesn't hold water anymore.

Wow, the Red Ensign, eh? Whoo... The flag was changed because Canada is a real, live country and needs its own symbol. I'm good with the whole monarchy and all of that, but that's more due to fear of what we'd change to than out of any real affection for HRH Elizabeth II. The Maple Leaf is a good symbol for a nation that's more than just a colony, and that is made up of so many different peoples.

And as for Leif Ericsson landing here before the natives, that's patent nonsense, the Bering land bridge was open from about 25,000 years ago to maybe 16 or 10,000 years ago. My numbers may be off a little, but you get the idea.

[Huntsman]

Ahh..I see...A gay Conservative`s vote does`nt count...thats the message I`m getting, What about gay couple gun owners.
Just saying........................................:rol leyes:

[Okotokian]

Getting your shorts in a knot for nothing folks. Consider the source of all of this... SAS... the neo-nazi chap who's tag line on this forum up until a week ago was "Free the Order" and who said Timothy McVeigh was not a murderer of children but a freedom fighter.

Also, the first three paragraphs from his post are not from the Reuters article at all, nor were they written by SAS himself (obviously). Though he makes it look like they are his thoughts they are a cut and paste from some mail-out or far-right journal that is clearly American (Obama forcing healthcare on "us"). The mention and blaming of Soros and Bloomberg, successful American Jews and Democratic supporters, is often present in neo-nazi literature.

SAS, stop trying to spread your political poison here. Either stick to hunting and fishing or leave.

[roadkill]

Getting your shorts in a knot for nothing folks. Consider the source of all of this... SAS... the neo-nazi chap who's tag line on this forum up until a week ago was "Free the Order" and who said Timothy McVeigh was not a murderer of children but a freedom fighter.

Also, the first three paragraphs from his post are not from the Reuters article at all, nor were they written by SAS himself (obviously). Though he makes it look like they are his thoughts they are a cut and paste from some mail-out or far-right journal that is clearly American (Obama forcing healthcare on "us"). The mention and blaming of Soros and Bloomberg, successful American Jews and Democratic supporters, is often present in neo-nazi literature.

SAS, stop trying to spread your political poison here. Either stick to hunting and fishing or leave.

Sorry, I haven't been around a whole lot lately, so I missed SAS's former tag line. I think I'd have reacted differently if I'd known that...

[S.A.S]

Getting your shorts in a knot for nothing folks. Consider the source of all of this... SAS... the neo-nazi chap who's tag line on this forum up until a week ago was "Free the Order" and who said Timothy McVeigh was not a murderer of children but a freedom fighter.

Also, the first three paragraphs from his post are not from the Reuters article at all, nor were they written by SAS himself (obviously). Though he makes it look like they are his thoughts they are a cut and paste from some mail-out or far-right journal that is clearly American (Obama forcing healthcare on "us"). The mention and blaming of Soros and Bloomberg, successful American Jews and Democratic supporters, is often present in neo-nazi literature.

SAS, stop trying to spread your political poison here. Either stick to hunting and fishing or leave.

I never tried to have anyone believe I wrote the article, It was a cut and paste from a site.

[sheephunter]

I never tried to have anyone believe I wrote the article, It was a cut and paste from a site.

You did try to make people believe it was all from Reuters...obviously it wasn't. Just out of curiosity, what site did you copy it from?

[S.A.S]

You did try to make people believe it was all from Reuters...obviously it wasn't. Just out of curiosity, what site did you copy it from?

http://www.infowars.com/obama-takes-first-step-in-banning-all-firearms/

In that page there is links to Reuters.

[Okotokian]

I never tried to have anyone believe I wrote the article, It was a cut and paste from a site.
nevermind

[sheephunter]

http://www.infowars.com/obama-takes-first-step-in-banning-all-firearms/

In that page there is links to Reuters.

Thanks. Not what I'd call an unbiased source of news.

[S.A.S]

Thanks. Not what I'd call an unbiased source of news.

All news has a bit of Biased info in it. But I get what your saying.

[sheephunter]

All news has a bit of Biased info in it. But I get what your saying.

No doubt....just not sure most has that much.

[S.A.S]

No doubt....just not sure most has that much.

HAHA He may be a wee bit conservative....
His talk show is pretty good, Talks about the Flu's and Gun control, Rather interesting.

[sheephunter]

HAHA He may be a wee bit conservative....
His talk show is pretty good, Talks about the Flu's and Gun control, Rather interesting.

Ya, there are some left wing equals on satellite radio too. I guess it all balances out.

[Matt L.]

I can't remember who said it, but he one who said the U.N. should be abolished is right. As for gay marriage, if they want to get married fine, I just wish they'd shut the hell up about it. The major problem I have is their trying to force ministers to marry them against said ministers will. As for the original topic, I bet dollars to doughnuts the U.N. is behind any anti-gun treaties. They also want one world currency, and a lot more.

[S.A.S]

I can't remember who said it, but he one who said the U.N. should be abolished is right. As for gay marriage, if they want to get married fine, I just wish they'd shut the hell up about it. The major problem I have is their trying to force ministers to marry them against said ministers will. As for the original topic, I bet dollars to doughnuts the U.N. is behind any anti-gun treaties. They also want one world currency, and a lot more.

I only posted this thread so people could keep an eye open, Not start a conspiracy theory that brought in gay marriage and Tin Foil Hats. Ya, UN is a shady bunch that needs to be 100% dismantled.

[Matt L.]

If Obama tried a stunt like that, his life wouldn't be worth a plugged nickel. I don't think he's that stupid, but you never know.

[Devlin]

He's just following the UN line, which wants to abolish the private ownership of firearms.

http://www.un.org/av/special/armed/
Grizz

Nothing there says that the UN wants to abolish private gun ownership, it looks like its focused on the weapons black market which is probably something we can all do without.

[Devlin]

I'm not sure how many of you actually read the OP's posted article but it says nothing about banning domestic firearms ownership for Americans. It's about controlling the illicit trade of conventional weapons. Quite a leap from what the treaty is about to concluding that it's going to result in the confiscation of privately owned weapons but typical fear mongering from the anti-gun control crowd as usual.

[hockey1099]

Getting your shorts in a knot for nothing folks. Consider the source of all of this... SAS... the neo-nazi chap who's tag line on this forum up until a week ago was "Free the Order" and who said Timothy McVeigh was not a murderer of children but a freedom fighter.

SAS, stop trying to spread your political poison here. Either stick to hunting and fishing or leave.

HAHAHA. I guess i was right in picking this boy for a neo-nazi.

[S.A.S]

HAHAHA. I guess i was right in picking this boy for a neo-nazi.

The 2 dont connect! so please dont make assumptions.

[hockey1099]

The 2 dont connect! so please dont make assumptions.

David Lane and the "14 words" are not connected to the white power movement? is that what you suggesting?

[S.A.S]

David Lane and the "14 words" are not connected to the white power movement? is that what you suggesting?

Lol Never once have I brought up David Lane or the 14 words. And white power refers to the White race having control or power above other races, the 14 words stray far from that.

[hockey1099]

Lol Never once have I brought up David Lane or the 14 words. And white power refers to the White race having control or power above other races, the 14 words stray far from that.

I was reffering to your "free the order" sig line. I quick google search brings us to the 14 words. And as you know what those are i assume you also know those are an under lying tenant of many white supremicist organizations. I believe the number 1488 has deep meaning to them. being both the 14 words and the 88 refferiing to HH or Heil Hitler. I you can deny your under lying bias' but anyone with a google search engine can readily draw conclusions about them.

[S.A.S]

I was reffering to your "free the order" sig line. I quick google search brings us to the 14 words. And as you know what those are i assume you also know those are an under lying tenant of many white supremicist organizations. I believe the number 1488 has deep meaning to them. being both the 14 words and the 88 refferiing to HH or Heil Hitler. I you can deny your under lying bias' but anyone with a google search engine can readily draw conclusions about them.

Ok, I still never individualy bought up David lane or the 14 words.

[Albertadiver]

Getting your shorts in a knot for nothing folks. Consider the source of all of this... SAS... the neo-nazi chap who's tag line on this forum up until a week ago was "Free the Order" and who said Timothy McVeigh was not a murderer of children but a freedom fighter.

Also, the first three paragraphs from his post are not from the Reuters article at all, nor were they written by SAS himself (obviously). Though he makes it look like they are his thoughts they are a cut and paste from some mail-out or far-right journal that is clearly American (Obama forcing healthcare on "us"). The mention and blaming of Soros and Bloomberg, successful American Jews and Democratic supporters, is often present in neo-nazi literature.

SAS, stop trying to spread your political poison here. Either stick to hunting and fishing or leave.

X2!!

Ok, I still never individualy bought up David lane or the 14 words.


Actually you did earlier...

For the record, your tag line read as follows:

Hail David Lane! Hail Robert Jay Mathews! Hail Timothy Mcveigh!

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=43860&page=2

Either stick to the outdoors or take your hate filled rhetoric elsewhere.

[S.A.S]

X2!!




Actually you did earlier...

For the record, your tag line read as follows:

Hail David Lane! Hail Robert Jay Mathews! Hail Timothy Mcveigh!

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=43860&page=2

Either stick to the outdoors or take your hate filled rhetoric elsewhere.

I am sticking to the outdoors, But these people keep bringing it up.

[Albertadiver]

I am sticking to the outdoors, these people keep brining it up, so **** you!

We wouldn't be calling you out on it if you hadn't started it in the first place. You post an article that you say is from Reuters, yet you conveniantly don't mention where you got the first part of the article from. One of those typical white power racist sites. So... we didn't bring it up, YOU created the damn thread!

[S.A.S]

We wouldn't be calling you out on it if you hadn't started it in the first place. You post an article that you say is from Reuters, yet you conveniantly don't mention where you got the first part of the article from. One of those typical white power racist sites. So... we didn't bring it up, YOU created the damn thread!
I posted the article and gave a link. and Infowars is not a white power website.

[Albertadiver]

Infowars is not a white power website.

Right.... :rolleyes:

[S.A.S]

Right.... :rolleyes:

The guy does advertising for Jews? If someone doesn't agree with the government and thinks there's something going on you automatically call them a "Nazi". Kind of childish

[Albertadiver]

The guy does advertising for Jews? If someone doesn't agree with the government and thinks there's something going on you automatically call them a "Nazi". Kind of childish

You're the one that said to Hail Robert Jay Matthews! This guy was the leader of an American white nationalist group The Order.

Give me a break.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Jay_Mathews

You just restart activity on this forum, then first thing you do is start blabbing this extremist garbage and putting this crap on an outdoors forum. This thread in itself is basically you trying to draw attention to your little cause.

In the words of Bob and Doug McKenzie, "Take off eh you hoser!"

[S.A.S]

You're the one that said to Hail Robert Jay Matthews! This guy was the leader of an American white nationalist group The Order.

Give me a break.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Jay_Mathews

You just restart activity on this forum, then first thing you do is start blabbing this exgtremist garbage and putting this crap on an outdoors forum. This thread in itself is basically you trying to draw attention to your little cause.

In the words of Bob and Doug McKenzie, "Take off eh you hoser!"

lol The article is about gun control, and thats what i wanted people to read. The someone starts talking about gays and the convo spirals out of control.

[Albertadiver]

lol The article is about gun control, and thats what i wanted people to read. The someone starts talking about gays and the convo spirals out of control.

Actually, if you linked the reuters article by itself, there would have been some posts about it the article and gun control and this other stuff would not have likely came up.

However you chose instead to quote from this so call info wars site, and therefore brought this on yourself.

[Don Meredith]

O.K. That's it. This thread has run it's course. Let's keep the discussion to the outdoors!

Don Meredith
Board Administrator