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S.A.S
11-11-2009, 02:07 PM
BEIJING (AFP) – Chinese scientists artificially induced the second major snowstorm to wreak havoc in Beijing this season, state media said, reigniting debate over the practice of tinkering with Mother Nature.

After the earliest snow to hit the capital in 22 years fell on November 1, the capital was again shrouded in white Tuesday with more snow expected in the coming three days, the National Meteorological Centre said.

The China Daily, citing an unnamed official, said the Beijing Weather Modification Office had artificially induced both storms by seeding clouds with chemicals, a practice that can increase precipitation by up to 20 percent.

The office refused to comment on the report when contacted by AFP. On Tuesday, an official had said the storm was "natural".

City weather officials have previously said that such methods are aimed at alleviating a drought over much of north China, including Beijing, that has lingered for more than a decade.

But residents have griped about the flight delays, traffic snarls, cancelled classes and other inconveniences of a surprise snow storm, saying officials could warn them if they are planning to toy with the clouds.

Beyond the day-to-day hassles, experts said the weather manipulation had other undesirable side-effects in the longer term, the paper reported.

"No one can tell how much weather manipulation will change the sky," Xiao Gang, a professor in the Institute of Atmospheric Physics at the Chinese Academy of Sciences, told the paper.

"We should not depend too much on artificial measures to get rain or snow, because there are too many uncertainties up in the sky."

Zhao Nan, a Beijing engineer, was quoted as saying the more than 5,500 tonnes of erosive snow-melting chloride used on city roads Tuesday -- nearly half the annual allotment -- could "erode steel structures of buildings".

In 2005, the snow-melting agent was responsible for killing 10,000 trees in Beijing and decimating 200,000 square metres (2.15 million square feet) of grassland, the paper said, citing official statistics.

Despite a massive effort to clear the capital of snow that involved over 15,000 workers, many roads remained blocked, while highways into Beijing and in neighbouring Hebei and Shanxi provinces were closed, state press reports said.

mtylerb
11-11-2009, 02:16 PM
Sounds like an Onion article.

Rockymtnx
11-11-2009, 02:18 PM
Kind of silly and scary all at the same time. With this technology in the wrong hands, manipulating the weather could be devastating to some areas of the world.

On a second note, maybe they could bring us 4 inches of snow for hunting season.

S.A.S
11-11-2009, 02:18 PM
Whats an "Onion" article?

Tundra Monkey
11-11-2009, 02:46 PM
Onion News I think.

Maybe they could launch a big sponge over Vancouver :evilgrin:

tm

mtylerb
11-11-2009, 02:48 PM
Whats an "Onion" article?

The Onion produces fake news articles that are written like real news articles but are really really far fetched or completely insane. Kind of like:

Obama's Declaration Of Swine Flu Emergency Prompts Pro-Swine-Flu Republican Response (http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/obamas_declaration_of_swine)

Kind of a nice break from the normal doom-and-gloom media articles. It fools a lot of people, though.

S.A.S
11-11-2009, 03:07 PM
The report came from Infowars and the link brought me to yahoo news

sheephunter
11-11-2009, 03:21 PM
Sounds like an Onion article.

Ya I thought the same thing but it's all over the news services. Scary stuff.

S.A.S
11-11-2009, 03:29 PM
Ya, we dont really need communists being able to control the weather.

Grizzly Adams
11-11-2009, 03:35 PM
Ya, we dont really need communists being able to control the weather.

Next, they'll be causing earthquakes.:lol: I'm taking this, with a grain of salt.
Grizz

Kanonfodder
11-11-2009, 03:49 PM
Im building my tinfoil toque as we speak......

WayneChristie
11-11-2009, 04:15 PM
Whats the big deal, we have done the same thing in North America for ages, seeding the clouds to make it rain, right back to when they shot chemicals into the clouds with cannons? If memory serves. (sometimes it doesnt anymore) :lol: The Chinese will just find some cheap chemical substitute and make cheap crappy snow. and then try and sell it here at the flea markets :)

GPmike
11-11-2009, 04:27 PM
Im building my tinfoil toque as we speak......

Don't make one, just borrow one over here (http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=44478) :lol:

MAC
11-12-2009, 10:57 AM
About 15 years ago the insurance industry started a cloud seeding program to prevent hail storms. South of Red Deer to Calgary had the worst record for consitent hail storm losses. The weather stations would call ahead when the conditions were right for hail formation and a contractor would fly out and seed the clouds to force them to rain before the hail formed. The program was stopped when they could not predict or control where and the intensity of the downpour. The flooding and sewer backups with the downpours did not make the seeding worthwhile.

ironrider
11-12-2009, 11:36 AM
Sounds like an Onion article.

Don Cherry is a wise man and he got it right again