Problem Elk?

[SteveY66]

Talked to a fish and wildlife officer out of the west division and he told me that they were getting calls from numerous farmers saything that the elk are destroying there bails and crop. He asked if they allowed hunting and they all said no, so now its there job to correct the problem.

Wouldnt that be the best job? Why cant they call me for the problem elk. I have a general tag waiting to be applied. There are numerous spots ive saw elk in and legal bulls were no hunting signs are posted and hunting is frowned apon.

Ive learned to love and hate elk. My rant is done.

SteveY

[Dick284]

Why cant F&W just say, to the landowner to allow some hunting or no help comes out of the funds allocated for such things.

Which by the way comes out of hunting licence sales.

F&W Officers have great leway in seeing who gets help with game deprediation. If they are not looking for the most cost effective option, they are not doing their job IMO.

I'd also write the Minister, and your MLA and tell them no hunting equals no help from F&W.
That needs to be the law.

[IR_mike]

Talked to a fish and wildlife officer out of the west division and he told me that they were getting calls from numerous farmers saything that the elk are destroying there bails and crop. He asked if they allowed hunting and they all said no, so now its there job to correct the problem.

Wouldnt that be the best job? Why cant they call me for the problem elk. I have a general tag waiting to be applied. There are numerous spots ive saw elk in and legal bulls were no hunting signs are posted and hunting is frowned apon.

Ive learned to love and hate elk. My rant is done.

SteveY


If the callers are adamant about NO HUNTING the officer should just say he has more important things to deal with and hang up.

[SteveY66]

Thats why how can they claim crop damage if they dont allow hunting. Its stupid. You pay money to get a draw then pay for the tag. And then 75% of the land you see them on no one allows hunting, its unbelievable.
Thats just my case though i cant say the same for everybody

[MikeSpike]

Talked to a fish and wildlife officer out of the west division and he told me that they were getting calls from numerous farmers saything that the elk are destroying there bails and crop. He asked if they allowed hunting and they all said no, so now its there job to correct the problem.

No hunting = numerous elk = bale and crop damage. Duh. Quite ridiculous. Simple solution.

Just like the story I seen on TV. No hunting everywhere, people treating them as pet, feeding them, etc, deer pop explodes, vehicles are hitting them, gardens are being eating, flowers beds plants are being eaten, still no hunting, Wildlife officers round a bunch up, they tramp each other in the trucks, Wildlife officers look bad, they start trying to sterilize deer, :lol:, now they have hired professional exterminators. What a bunch of morons.

If they don't allow hunting they have brought the situation on to themselves. If they expect solutions (other than hunting) they are wasting F&W budgets.

[The Fisherman Guy]

I want to fill my tag as well, just as the next guy. For me it is the meat, and the sport that draw me to hunting. Land owners are entitled to their own rights to their land, and what happens on their space.

We as hunters have the answer; but too many variables on the view of hunting have tainted our solution.

How can we as a group change the way land owners view hunters, to allow us on their turf to solve their problem?

[Wulfespirit]

There is no solution as it doesn't matter how many hunters leave landowners with a good experience - there will always be bad ones that'll make landowners question their decision to allow any hunting at all.

I do agree that there should be NO public help for landowners that have wildlife issues that don't allow hunting on there property.

[hockey1099]

There is no solution as it doesn't matter how many hunters leave landowners with a good experience - there will always be bad ones that'll make landowners question their decision to allow any hunting at all.

I do agree that there should be NO public help for landowners that have wildlife issues that don't allow hunting on there property.

Its an interesting idea but i think it would fail as it would be seen as forcing land owners to allow hunting.

I have issues helping out farmers with crop damage at all. I still cant wrap my mind around not being able to make a profit selling a necessity of life.

[Dick284]

Its an interesting idea but i think it would fail as it would be seen as forcing land owners to allow hunting.

I have issues helping out farmers with crop damage at all. I still cant wrap my mind around not being able to make a profit selling a necessity of life.


Nobody is forcing them to allow hunting, but the back side is SRD should'nt supply a plug nickle to solve the problem.

No hunting= no help from the Government.

The money to control deprediation comes out of hunters pockets.
So why waste it on someone who only wants to take and not give something back.

[Hellydoc]

I do agree that there should be NO public help for landowners that have wildlife issues that don't allow hunting on there property.

x25 :D

A few years back I believe in 234 there was actually a list at the F & W office they were maintaining for landowners to place their name on if they were having elk problems. My uncle had a cow tag, and phoned F&W they took info for the landowner (vehicle description etc if the landowner wanted it) and acted as a bit of a go between to try and solve the problem, worked great:D

They were definately some tasty steaks

[sheephunter]

Nobody is forcing them to allow hunting, but the back side is SRD should'nt supply a plug nickle to solve the problem.



That's the way our local officers look at it.

[TC7]

I agree with Dick , but I also feel that they shouldn't be allowed to claim crop damage through insurance because then evreyone pays for the landowners decision...

[Forest Techer]

very glad everyone thinks this way!
This is exactly why I've been saying for years that bounties are a waste of money. Hogs for example, if there are farmers ranchers that believe they have a problem, post it on here and with FW and you'll have a lineup of guys who will call and ask permission to hunt and shoot em. Same with coyotes. If someone puts up an add on here saying they have coyote problems and put up a piece of paper at the post office, you'll get a ton of help, with no cost to the taxpayer.

Why should we pay people to do what we all enjoy as a past time?

[hockey1099]

While in theory i think it would work in practice it wont.

In the last few days i have read dozens of posts about people hunting on land without permission. One lady had her horse shot by some ******. While i think alot of guys on here are responsible it is impossible to tell who is and who is not.

While i dont think any subsidies should be given i do not believe that those who dont want to risk having idiots on their land should be treated differently than those who do.

[tkhiebs]

While in theory i think it would work in practice it wont.

In the last few days i have read dozens of posts about people hunting on land without permission. One lady had her horse shot by some f___ing ******. While i think alot of guys on here are responsible it is impossible to tell who is and who is not.

While i dont think any subsidies should be given i do not believe that those who dont want to risk having idiots on their land should be treated differently than those who do.

Its called "HUNTING WITH PERMISSION ONLY"

[ksteed17]

Thats why how can they claim crop damage if they dont allow hunting. Its stupid. You pay money to get a draw then pay for the tag. And then 75% of the land you see them on no one allows hunting, its unbelievable.
Thats just my case though i cant say the same for everybody

if you dont allow hunting you cant claim crop damage from animals

[Forest Techer]

Yes hockey I agree with almost everything your saying.

There are people that want to shoot their guns so bad they are shooting peoples horses and trespassing. Give them something to channel that misguided energy.

I also agree you shouldn't subsidise half you should subsidise none.

Just because you want hunters doesn't mean you can't ask for references. And if you know who is on your land then you have someone you can hold accountable.

The only way I see them being treated differently is if they only want help if it comes in the form of cash then they don't really want help.

There's other alternatives that a farmer can practice on his own to prevent damage.

[IR_mike]

very glad everyone thinks this way!
This is exactly why I've been saying for years that bounties are a waste of money. Hogs for example, if there are farmers ranchers that believe they have a problem, post it on here and with FW and you'll have a lineup of guys who will call and ask permission to hunt and shoot em. Same with coyotes. If someone puts up an add on here saying they have coyote problems and put up a piece of paper at the post office, you'll get a ton of help, with no cost to the taxpayer.

Why should we pay people to do what we all enjoy as a past time?

I am sure that among the farming/ranching/rural demographic internet use or accesability is not as high as you are sort of suggesting and chances are if they are on the net or more specificaly AO they would be inclined to handle coyote/boar problems themselves. :)

Dealing with Elk in regards to agriculture conflicts as the OP posted is a whole lot different than dealing with coyotes and boars.

[Forest Techer]

Yes hockey I agree with almost everything your saying.

There are people that want to shoot their guns so bad they are shooting peoples horses and trespassing. Give them something to channel that misguided energy.

I also agree you shouldn't subsidise half you should subsidise none.

Just because you want hunters doesn't mean you can't ask for references. And if you know who is on your land then you have someone you can hold accountable.

The only way I see them being treated differently is if they only want help if it comes in the form of cash then they don't really want help.

There's other alternatives that a farmer can practice on his own to prevent damage.

[Lantzd]

I have been trying to fill my tag as well. Last weekend we asked at least 15 different landowners and they all said no becuase there are horses or cattle in the area (not on the land you are asking permission for). The number one reason i got for not being allowed was because last year some mistaked a horse for a bull elk (dont know how that is possible) ..No matter what u say or do you will not be aloud on their land but they will complain every week to F&W.... and nothing you can do about it....Your best bet is to hunt crown or grazing land i have yet to be refused for these areas.... or do what i will be doin next year go back to SASKATCHEWAN were the local farmers will let you hunt their land no matter what...just my two cents!!!!!!

[Jamie]

Down in Wyoming they actually had a HUGE list of landowners looking to have hunters come on the land to shoot Antelope. It sits right on the desk at the F/W office.

Seems silly we dont have something like that here.

Jamie

[Dick284]

OK.
So who here is willing to get on our Provincial politicians to get some action on this?

Here is a list of the Alberta MLA's and Ministers;
http://www.assembly.ab.ca/net/index.aspx?p=mla_home

Remember email's are fine but a fax or mailed letter carries a lot more clout.
For those without fax machines try this service;
http://faxzero.com/

[Dick284]

I have been trying to fill my tag as well. Last weekend we asked at least 15 different landowners and they all said no becuase there are horses or cattle in the area (not on the land you are asking permission for). The number one reason i got for not being allowed was because last year some mistaked a horse for a bull elk (dont know how that is possible) ..No matter what u say or do you will not be aloud on their land but they will complain every week to F&W.... and nothing you can do about it....Your best bet is to hunt crown or grazing land i have yet to be refused for these areas.... or do what i will be doin next year go back to SASKATCHEWAN were the local farmers will let you hunt their land no matter what...just my two cents!!!!!!

Not without a guide or getting a draw you wont.
Next year Sakatchewan is changing the rules for non Res. Canadians

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=44626

[Mhunter51]

Well LantzD, there are some problems with what you say. I hunt each year in the Green-Water/Porcupine Plains area. There is a LOT of posted land there. We go about it a bit different. We go up early, like june or july and talk to farmers in the areas we are interested in hunting. Some have comitted to freinds already and thats fine. We get lots of OK's. The other thing is you as an Alberta resident hunting elk here on farm land!!! As you say " go back to Sask to hunt Elk ". Not legal for Canadian residents to hunt without a guide for elk and even then not in farm land zones. So how do you get a liscence for Sask elk. Non available across the counter and non-residents cannot apply for special drw permits ???

[igorot]

Just because you want hunters doesn't mean you can't ask for references. And if you know who is on your land then you have someone you can hold accountable.

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X2 Clear and simple. This must also be true when responding to tresspaser. Give priority to people who are trying to do their part in solving the problem.

Who do you think is gonna help you police your land, Why is there a RAP ( Report a Poacher Line ) or TIPS. It is because the public is the number one source of information, help and tips in the solution of a crime. It is not CSI or any physical evidence as they are to costly and hard to prove compare to the direct account of an individual.

In the case of hunting, Hunters would be your best bet as they are the only one crazy enough :lol: to access your land with this weather and remoteness. Let them be accounble to anything that is happening when they are in your land. If they decline kick them out.

Respect goes both ways

Just my 2 cents

[SteveY66]

Well its looks like we all have tough times with elk and permission.

Maybe i should head to the back country.

[Stinky Buffalo]

I'm in the same boat... My friend and I are drawn for cows in the late-season elk hunt in early December. It's meant for dealing with bale depredation, but I'm beginning to wonder if we should stick to public land...

[alacringa]

The number one reason i got for not being allowed was because last year some mistaked a horse for a bull elk (dont know how that is possible)

Duh...it was a 6x6 horse!:D

[Bowser]

Great post and here is my 2 cents worth. I do agree with most of the posts, but how can it be that people who own large tracs of land, get to hijack the wildlife as well, and then want compensation for the damage done by the wildlife they have held from the public. Granted some ignoramuses have made it difficult by their actions, such as shooting horses and ripping down fences, but there has to be a way to get hunters and landowners together.

[crazy_fool1]

x25 :D

A few years back I believe in 234 there was actually a list at the F & W office they were maintaining for landowners to place their name on if they were having elk problems. My uncle had a cow tag, and phoned F&W they took info for the landowner (vehicle description etc if the landowner wanted it) and acted as a bit of a go between to try and solve the problem, worked great:D

They were definately some tasty steaks

I think this is a great solution and shoudl really be expanded and worked on to help these situations...
I recently got hunting permission on private generally not open to hunting land due to 40 deer eating up a freshly seeded hay field... The landowner said take as many as we had tags for and she was allowing others the same opportunities so I believe she is down to 35 deer but if the F and W had her name and land on a list for ppl just looking to harvest a doe for meat then This would be a great way to cut down the herd.

[muley300]

About 10yrs ago my wife got drawn with me for muley doe in 164 and she
got a call from F&W to contact so and so land owner for her doe as he had deer problems which was nice.

On the flip side would it be worth it to report to F&W land owners that refused permission because they don't allow hunting. In case they filed claims for crop damage. Not ones that said they are booked up but state they don't allow period...

[Stinky Buffalo]

So, SteveY66, did you have any luck in there this year?

I'm heading in there next week... So far, no word from F&W as to who may be having issues.

While driving around in the area, looks like a lot of the farmers have moved the bales off their fields and stacked them close to their buildings, which should help keep the bale depredation down... Not so good for us, though. :D

[TEKA14]

I've applied for bale and crop damage in the past and everytime the fish and wildlife ask if I allow hunting and then tell me to continue to allow hunters on my land. I've also been told that a farmer who had elk and deer problems would not get any more damage insurance if he did not allow hunting. So are these farmers having problems for the first time and maybe now have to allow some access for future claims?

[Elk Chaser]

Allow those hunters that have an unfilled tag from the previous season,to hunt in Feb for a 2 week period for either sex in the problem areas. Have it so you have to report all kills just like cougar hunting.

[SteveY66]

So, SteveY66, did you have any luck in there this year?

I'm heading in there next week... So far, no word from F&W as to who may be having issues.

While driving around in the area, looks like a lot of the farmers have moved the bales off their fields and stacked them close to their buildings, which should help keep the bale depredation down... Not so good for us, though. :D


No luck for me this year, the elk eluded me. Saw 3 cows in november for rifle season, not one bull.

Damn things know where to go and are starting becoming more and more nocturnal

[Whiskey Wish]

This field is hunted, poached, jacklighted, watched over, fought over, driven on, staked out, used, abused and faithfully farmed by a farmer that enthusiastically gives permission to dozens of hunters every year.
And they don't take one thin dime of SRD money. Never even asked.
YES....those are ALL elk.

Keep Your Powder Dry,
Dave.