Ship at sea

[hal53]

so just heard that our Navy has intercepted these jerks from Sri Lanka and it is escorting them to Esquimault, my question is why would they not turn the b*****ds around and escort them out of our waters...apparently the Cap't said the 457 people aboard (some with TB they suspect) are "very happy" to be in Canada!!!! WHAT!!!!!!!!

[pitw]

You think some of your ancestor's didn't come across the drink on a ship with sick people on board perhaps.

[hal53]

You think some of your ancestor's didn't come across the drink on a ship with sick people on board perhaps.
not claiming refugee status...and 4 generations ago they did not sign up for everything while their claim was being processed, they landed here from England and didn't look for a hand out, people from Eastern Europe landed here and were glad to learn our language and culture and prosper here... see a difference???

[Bobby B.]

Hal,

I'm with you 100%. Great Britain screened and allowed 2% of Sri Lankans in and Germany allowed 4%, Canada has allowed 76% so far. We've become the dumping grounds. Guess why this boatfull spent 4 months making it to Canada? Because we're a bunch of suckers, that's why.

While friends of mine and family members wait for medical attention, Canada has set up a special facility to treat some foreigners. I guess that's what Canadians want. It's not what I want.

In a democracy, we're supposed to voice our concerns, but watch my post be edited by the mods for not being politically correct.

Bobby B.

[fishmania]

Turn em around and send them back!:mad0030:

[skidderman]

Turn em around and send them back!:mad0030:

X2

[S.A.S]

They are Tamil tigers, A group recognized in 32 Countries as a terrorist group, Canada included. They have roughly 250,000 supporters in Toronto. There activities in Toronto include drug dealing, Arms dealing, Racketeering against their own and they own a Bank. Public support for Tamil Tigers is also against the law. There are 2 boats, One headed for Canada and one for Australia, The one headed to Australia was refused and is now on its way here. :sHa_shakeshout:

[CaberTosser]

I figure a good way to curb the boatloads of people who don't want to wait in line for their citizenship like everyone else who took the time to abide by our rules and fill out applications, meeting standards of education and such outrageous requests like a lack of criminal history; is to sieze and auction or scrap any vessel that brings them over. You'll have a hard time finding a shipping outfit willing to lose their fleet. At least we're far enough away from most refugee-producing nations that total wrecks won't make it here. I agree with the double standard of setting up special clinics for them while we have citizens here waiting for treatment.

[mudbug]

Turn em around and send them back!:mad0030:

X3 Give them some supplies and send them on their way

[pitw]

not claiming refugee status...and 4 generations ago they did not sign up for everything while their claim was being processed, they landed here from England and didn't look for a hand out, people from Eastern Europe landed here and were glad to learn our language and culture and prosper here... see a difference???

Nope. I still think there were sick people on most passages.
If it makes any difference I would have sank this ship if I had the chance.:love0025:

[I-Love-Eyes]

You think some of your ancestor's didn't come across the drink on a ship with sick people on board perhaps.

Yup, they may have for darn sure, but they assimilated to the country, learned to speak English, adopted the Canadian way of life, worked to become a Canadian citizen and payed taxes "like a Canadian"--not like these guys , who will want to have their cake and eat it too!!!

[pitw]

Yup, they may have for darn sure, but they assimilated to the country, learned to speak English, adopted the Canadian way of life, worked to become a Canadian citizen and payed taxes "like a Canadian"--not like these guys , who will want to have their cake and eat it too!!!
Was there some where I said anything about that? I was just stating that most transportation of people also transported illness. Keep up with the conversation.

[S.A.S]

Nope. I still think there were sick people on most passages.
If it makes any difference I would have sank this ship if I had the chance.:love0025:

Wtf are you trying to say? You would sink ships trying to carry our European ancestors to the colony?

[TreeGuy]

What a logical idea having proper processing centers would be. It could serve as an economic stimulus really.

Build one in northern quebec to serve the eastern portion of the country and the other in northern Manitoba to serve the west.

After serving a full 3 months fighting the skeeters and another 9 months surviving winter, then my friends.........You ARE Canadian! :D

[walking buffalo]

Canada should not let that boat into National waters. Have some balls and send them away. The problem is only going to get worse if Canada keeps on allowing these refugee boats to land. Australia has it right regarding immigration.

Did the refugees on board really have the funds to pay for such a journey..... NOT a chance! This boatload of people must include individuals that the Tamil Army wants here in Canada.

[I-Love-Eyes]

[QUOTE=pitw;652120]Was there some where I said anything about that? I was just stating that most transportation of people also transported illness. Keep up with the conversation.[/QUOTE

Yes, and I'm just saying that along with the "illnesses" that accompanied the shiploads of folks immigrating to Canada, came people who were willing to adopt Canada as their Country in the Fullest. Incidentally, if they had illnesses, they were quarantined.

These guys that are coming in now, whether with illness or not, quarantined or not, are going to be like every other "new" Canadian, and want to keep their own countries beliefs, and expect Canada to "respect" their way of life and adapt to it to their satisfaction, and the sad, sorry fact is that the Canadian government will do just that.

My ancestors came here and made a new life here and ADAPTED to their new country--they did not expect the government to cowtow to what they wanted.

Also, why jump down my throat, when Hal53 said essentially the same thing! See post 3

[TreeHugger]

Unless your ancestors walked across the Bearings (sp?) Straight 10000 years ago I'd be careful about the stones you throw in this glass house. My great great grandfather and his brother, escaping the Irish famine, found passage on a rickety old boat bound for Quebec. Having heard of Grosse Ile, they jumped ship and swam ashore near Miscou Island when the opportunity arose. Google Grosse Ile to learn why they wanted to avoid it. With little more than what they had on their backs they survived a winter by the good Christian graces of those around them. They eventually hacked a home of the northern New Brunswick forest and named it Black Rock in honour of their beloved homeland. Five generations have grown up there since and if you think they've ever assimilated into into the local Acadian culture you'd be dead wrong.

Those boys stole into this country illegally and lived off the welfare of the time (the church) before raising families that now number in the thousands of productive, contributing members of this great nation. If you think the two of them are any different than most of those Tamils escape war, famine, and poverty then I challenge you to read your own family history. There's a good chance your ancestors didn't arrive to open arms of welcome but to the disdain, jealousy, and distrust of those who preceded them...even if they landed perfectly legally through pier 21.

Before anyone jumps on me for allowing terrorists into the country, let me say unequivocally that anyone on that boat suspected of being a Tamil Tiger should receive a swift return to the Sri Lankin gov't. Who, I'm sure, will exact swift, if not just, punishment.

But for those who are not Tigers, rather than cursing them and wishing them a slow, painful death on the Pacific Ocean, why don't we extend a helping hand, welcome them for what they ad to our mosaic and let them raise contributing citizen families like ours?

Let the flaming begin!

[Browning Sharpsh00ter]

Turn em around and send them back!:mad0030:

X4:angry3:

[Browning Sharpsh00ter]

Unless your ancestors walked across the Bearings (sp?) Straight 10000 years ago I'd be careful about the stones you throw in this glass house. My great great grandfather and his brother, escaping the Irish famine, found passage on a rickety old boat bound for Quebec. Having heard of Grosse Ile, they jumped ship and swam ashore near Miscou Island when the opportunity arose. Google Grosse Ile to learn why they wanted to avoid it. With little more than what they had on their backs they survived a winter by the good Christian graces of those around them. They eventually hacked a home of the northern New Brunswick forest and named it Black Rock in honour of their beloved homeland. Five generations have grown up there since and if you think they've ever assimilated into into the local Acadian culture you'd be dead wrong.

Those boys stole into this country illegally and lived off the welfare of the time (the church) before raising families that now number in the thousands of productive, contributing members of this great nation. If you think the two of them are any different than most of those Tamils escape war, famine, and poverty then I challenge you to read your own family history. There's a good chance your ancestors didn't arrive to open arms of welcome but to the disdain, jealousy, and distrust of those who preceded them...even if they landed perfectly legally through pier 21.

Before anyone jumps on me for allowing terrorists into the country, let me say unequivocally that anyone on that boat suspected of being a Tamil Tiger should receive a swift return to the Sri Lankin gov't. Who, I'm sure, will exact swift, if not just, punishment.

But for those who are not Tigers, rather than cursing them and wishing them a slow, painful death on the Pacific Ocean, why don't we extend a helping hand, welcome them for what they ad to our mosaic and let them raise contributing citizen families like ours?

Let the flaming begin!

That was then and this is now.. we have rules inplace to become a Canadian Citzen, if they dont want to play by the rules, send um back or sink the dam ship. People play the pitty role, but put yourself in thier postion. How would the Sri Lankin Goverment like a boat load of Canadian drifties showing up on thier back door? How would they take us pushing are western values on thier culture? These people bring poverty and poverty brings crime. How would some of these countries like it if we just showed up on thier door step breathing western values down thier throat and crying discrimanation if they dont listen and accept ARE CULTURE....go over to Sadia Arabia and try pushing western values in the face of the goverment and see what happens to YA......:shark:

[backpacker]

Every one of these"refuges" will automatically be entitled to welfare... guess who's pocket that comes out of?
Afford these people medical attention, food, fuel for their next journey and send them packing.
If the bleeding hearts want to help these folks, have at it.
As Canadians, born , raised and taxed to death our entire lives we can look forward to a poverty line CPP payment because our government just isn't listening to what the citizens of this country are saying. Look after Canadians half as well as the government looks after illegal entrants to this country.

[pitw]

Wtf are you trying to say? You would sink ships trying to carry our European ancestors to the colony?

Like I was alive to sink my ancestors ship.:snapoutofit:

For the ones saying they will be entitled to welfare, look around and see how many 3rd and 4th generation welfare recipients we all ready have here. It isn't their fault our welfare system sucks big time.

[S.A.S]

If anyone here has the chance pick up

" Immigration: Where Canadas Forefathers stood"

Prime Minister Mackenzie King wrote "that Canada should remain a European man's country is believed to be not only desirable for economic and social reasons, but also highly necessary on political and national grounds."

To admit orientals in large numbers would mean in the end the extinction of the European peoples and we have always in mind the necessity of keeping this a European man's country. -- Sir Richard MacBride, Prime Minister of British Columbia at that time.



Immigration: Where Canada's Forefathers Stood by Alex Greer. Right, left, or centre, socialist, liberal or conservative, French or English, Canada Prime Ministers and leaders were united. Canada was a European country. That we were founded as a multiracial stewpot is just a myth.


The only reason I posted this is because there seems to be a Myth that Canada was designed to be a country full of Immigrants. Which our founding fathers were clearly against.

[pitw]

The only reason I posted this is because there seems to be a Myth that Canada was designed to be a country full of Immigrants. Which our founding fathers were clearly against.

Doesn't really matter what they wanted cause they are gone and left us with what we want. Unless we want to fight for our land we will lose it and I ain't seen to much militia movement lately:fighting0074:.

[FishingMOM]

Official reports are saying there are more ships further out waiting to see what happens once this load got here.
Now that we open our arms and welcomed them......... lets see when the other 4-8 boat loads arrive.

I'm with tree send them to the north. I am thinking far north.
heck with 12 month holding time.
try 4 yrs!
No financial aid
No medical assistance until they have served 6 months to 1 year

Immigrants get more money per month than a CANADIAN PENSIONER!

Time to open fire on ships full of illegals.
Or Use the same legislation as Arizona on illegals!

Come in the right way.
While we are on the topic of illegals, lets send all US soldiers hiding here back too.
We are in the same damn war, our boys and girls are being killed day in and out. You shouldnt be able to hide in this country!

[S.A.S]

Doesn't really matter what they wanted cause they are gone and left us with what we want. Unless we want to fight for our land we will lose it and I ain't seen to much militia movement lately:fighting0074:.

Militias are highly Illegal in this country......And any group that stands against Immigration is labeled "Nazis" by the media and people then back right off. There is alot of anti immigration sentiment in Canada, And it has nothing to do with supremacy or anything like that, It is just a clash of very different cultures however if anyone speaks out against it they will be labeled a racist.

I have read *two very interesting articles in the sun written by Arabs here in Calgary that are against Multiculturalism and how if we do not change things our way of life will come to and end.

[S.A.S]

Time to open fire on ships full of illegals.
Or Use the same legislation as Arizona on illegals!



Barack Obama is telling Arizona they can not enforce those laws.

[troller]

While we are on the topic of illegals, lets send all US soldiers hiding here back too.
We are in the same damn war, our boys and girls are being killed day in and out. You shouldnt be able to hide in this country!

95% of the US service members that were seeking asylum in Canada was over the Iraq war, which we did not "officially" participate in. After spending a little over 17 months there doing post war security, I don't blame them for not wanting to fight that war.

[Chevy 454]

I agree with turn them around and send them back. I am not against immigration,but this should not be tolerated. I am sure there are proper procedures and channels to immigrate with screening and such. Liken this to yourself filling out forms and and standing in line for hours to get into a event and some stranger butts into the front of the line and they let him through. Absolue B.S.
Canada is way too politically correct with way too many bleeding hearts.

[pitw]

Militias are highly Illegal in this country......And any group that stands against Immigration is labeled "Nazis" by the media and people then back right off. There is alot of anti immigration sentiment in Canada, And it has nothing to do with supremacy or anything like that, It is just a clash of very different cultures however if anyone speaks out against it they will be labeled a racist.


I don't care what they call me as I have to live with myself. You make it sound as though being illegal on one side is OK but not on the other? If you want I'll pick you up and we can head out there to see what we can do for "our" country.:)

[I-Love-Eyes]

The only reason I posted this is because there seems to be a Myth that Canada was designed to be a country full of Immigrants. Which our founding fathers were clearly against.

Weren't these founding fathers also immigrants??? Wasn't Canada originally "Indian" territory?

[S.A.S]

Weren't these founding fathers also immigrants??? Wasn't Canada originally "Indian" territory?

Territory yes, However the definition of Immigrant is
"a person who comes to a country where they were not born in order to settle there"

Canada became a country in 1867. We came here in the 1500's.

[Young gun]

not claiming refugee status...and 4 generations ago they did not sign up for everything while their claim was being processed, they landed here from England and didn't look for a hand out, people from Eastern Europe landed here and were glad to learn our language and culture and prosper here... see a difference???

I think the problem is not immigrants/refugees it is Canada and how we let people have a free ride. Canada seems to worry more about how it looks on the world stage than how it looks to its own people. I don't blame them for wanting to come here. We need to be tougher, its simple you come to Canada with no skills no money you can't stay. If they so much as shoplift they are gone. After all this is the country that lets RCMP where turbans...

[pitw]

Wasn't Canada originally "Indian" territory?

I don't believe it was:thinking-006:. I think it was the first white folk who called it Canada. The natives just lived in this land and used it to nurture themselves.

[reelhooker]

not claiming refugee status...and 4 generations ago they did not sign up for everything while their claim was being processed, they landed here from England and didn't look for a hand out, people from Eastern Europe landed here and were glad to learn our language and culture and prosper here... see a difference???

I do agree that these people should be rejected from our Country however in regards to your comment, I know of many small eastern european communities as well as asian and east indian that have come to our country and made absolutly no attempt to learn our languages or accept our culture. They create small communities that only hire and employ family and or people of their own culture and have made at the most, a very small attempt to learn our language. There are areas of all of our major cities that have independant goverment bursary funded small businesse's where enlish is like a fly in a freezer. It is legaly required in Canada to provide information in both our official languages but there are many "closed" foreign communities that provide neither.
NO MORE HAND-OUT"S. LIFE IS WHAT YOU MAKE OF IT. NO MORE GRANTS FOR IMMIGRANTS.
We have our own citizens that cannot get business loans however we hand them out to "New Canadians"?
We have already offered these people Sanctity and new oppertunity. Why are we endlessly funding and enableing the rape of our hard earned tax dollars?
i am not saying "do not help them" But there should be a maximum amount of time they have to contribute back to society before we put em back afloat.
My view is:
Welcome to our Canada, but dont try to make it what you left back home.

[I-Love-Eyes]

Territory yes, However the definition of Immigrant is
"a person who comes to a country where they were not born in order to settle there"

Canada became a country in 1867. We came here in the 1500's.

Oh, so if I came here in 1866 from "across the sea" I'm not an immigrant??

I think you are just splitting hairs now. The land still existed. It was called Ka-Na-Ta by the people who were actually born on this land. The "immigrant forefathers" called it a "Country".

But that is a lot of history between then and now, and to get back to the original issue of the thread, I think the Canadian government should be very careful before allowing this shipload of "refugees" to have immigrant status.

Why do you think they are docking in Canada? Because the US would send them packing.

[Matt L.]

Because damn near every country inthe world would send them packing. Except Canada.

[Young gun]

Because damn near every country inthe world would send them packing. Except Canada.

This is an email i got the other day...

Canada Pensions...

Only in Canada




* It is interesting to know that the federal Government of Canada allows :

A monthly pension of : $1,890.00 to a simple refugee
plus : 580.00 in social aid
==========


A grand total of : $2,470.00 monthly
X 12 months

==========
$28,920.00 annual income

· By comparison, the Old Age Pension of a senior citizen who has contributed to the development of Our Beautiful Big Country during 40 or 50 years, CANNOT receive more than :

Amount/month $1,012.00 in Old Age Pension and Guaranteed Income Supplement
X 12 months

============
$12,144.00 annual income

A difference of : $16,776.00 per year



* Perhaps our senior citizens should ask for the Status of Refugees instead of applying for Old Age Pension.

* Let us send this message to as many Canadians as possible, and maybe the allowance of refugee could then be reduced to $1,012.00, and that of our Canadian pensioners raised to $2,470.00 per month. (who actually deserve it) the money that they have been paying in income taxes for 40 or 50 years,
AN INCREDIBLE NONSENSE !!!
OUR CANADIAN SENIORS CITIZENS, DESERVE BETTER

[Okotokian]

If it makes any difference I would have sank this ship if I had the chance.:love0025:

A sane person has to just shake their head at comments like this.

As for me, I'm for giving them some food and water, some medical attention, topping up the fuel tanks, and then turning the ship around and sending it back where it came from.

[pitw]

A sane person has to just shake their head at comments like this.

As for me, I'm for giving them some food and water, some medical attention, topping up the fuel tanks, and then turning the ship around and sending it back where it came from.

No one ever claimed I was sane. I do know if you grow rats in a cage that if given only so much food they will eventually out grow the resources and then start eating each other. Do you really believe that people are different? You always want to be nice to everyone but when it comes time to feed your kids or someone elses who do you suppose gets to eat.

[great white whaler]

WE the people cant do anything about it.the world is over populated and starving,canada is rich in many ways every body wants to live here,,were is our arm forces any ways.GOVERMENTS starts wars and than thay hide

[Robmcleod82]

BS send those people away. When my parents immigrated they did it the propper way. The only reason they were alowed in the country is because Dad was a tradesman and mom had an accounting degree. They never recieved any help. They landed here in january and went to live in hardisty, They didnt have any real winter clothes. They near went hungry for most of that winter. There was no help from the government. So If my parents who came here and were contributing members of society didnt get help screw the low lifes who want to come leach off the system enough is enough!

[TheClash]

Weren't these founding fathers also immigrants??? Wasn't Canada originally "Indian" territory?

bingo.....we didn't come here and adapt to anything. we came as "christians" and took over.....but that was then, this is now. different laws, different game....of course this refers to the original settlers....my ancestors came later and did adapt to the new north american/canadian society....

[laker1]

These people come and take advantage of the system. We should be willing to help those who need help but this is stupid. They know Canada's refugee system and they know the benifits that come with it. They don't need the help they are just looking for free money. Even if their applications don't go through they got free money to take back home with them. We should send them all packing with a life ban of ever trying to immigrate or claim refugee status. That would would keep them and others who don't legitimitly need help from trying again.

[Almer Fudd]

I agree that the ship should be supplied, reloaded and escorted out of Ccanadian waters.

Canada was settled under English common law, with Christian values.
Talk all you want about seperating church and state, they have been entertwined for centuries.
I'm very receptive to immigration from any country or religion, but we shouldn't compromise these two things...English Common Law and Christian values.
Learn the language, understand the laws and values and try to make a productive contribution to our society.

[TheClash]

I agree that the ship should be supplied, reloaded and escorted out of Ccanadian waters.

Canada was settled under English common law, with Christian values.
Talk all you want about seperating church and state, they have been entertwined for centuries.
I'm very receptive to immigration from any country or religion, but we shouldn't compromise these two things...English Common Law and Christian values.
Learn the language, understand the laws and values and try to make a productive contribution to our society.

x2

[TreeGuy]

I believe that most of you are missing the real point here. This has nothing to do with immigration at all.

What it about, is an organization that is both domesticaly and internationaly recognized as a terrorist group, using innocent and desperate people as pawns to fund their cause with Canadian dollars.

We must swiftly and compassionately do our best to prepare this boat and it's occupants for their long journey home. Nothing more, nothing less.........

[laker1]

I agree that the ship should be supplied, reloaded and escorted out of Ccanadian waters.

Canada was settled under English common law, with Christian values.
Talk all you want about seperating church and state, they have been entertwined for centuries.
I'm very receptive to immigration from any country or religion, but we shouldn't compromise these two things...English Common Law and Christian values.
Learn the language, understand the laws and values and try to make a productive contribution to our society.

Here here

[redneck posse]

if they can prove its got tamell tigers on it take it out 10 miles put a rounds through it, thoose that make the swim back to shore get refuge statis thoose that dont well...

[igorot]

[QUOTE=TreeGuy;652564]I believe that most of you are missing the real point here. This has nothing to do with immigration at all.

QUOTE]


Refugee come in improvised means not modern ship. This people paid smugglers in order to board ship. Most of this people are not what they really are but opportunist.

The way for this not to happen again is by changing the laws. You can protest, cry, moan, debate ....... if the laws and policies will not change this will happen again.:sign0161:

[sharrozap]

Something I don't understand, $50 000X500=$25 000 000. This is a lot of money for one way trip. Many people in Canada don't make $50 000. With that money they could apply for independent status here I guess.

[igorot]

Something I don't understand, $50 000X500=$25 000 000. This is a lot of money for one way trip. Many people in Canada don't make $50 000. With that money they could apply for independent status here I guess.

Not if you got something to hide or you dont want to fall inline:)

[TreeGuy]

Something I don't understand, $50 000X500=$25 000 000. This is a lot of money for one way trip. Many people in Canada don't make $50 000. With that money they could apply for independent status here I guess.

That's the problem. They DON'T have the money. It's a debt that must be repaid to whomever sent them.....with interest. If they cannot keep up payments, then close family members back home are in grave danger. This is one of the ways that terrorist and criminal organizations raise funds. State sanctioned slavery in a way.

Due to the liberial 'pussification' in the name of 'tolerance' and 'inclusiveness', Canada is complicent in helping to financially prop up these groups. We have become an international joke in this regard, and unless the boat is not restocked and turned back out, the other ships will soon follow........

[Okotokian]

Something I don't understand, $50 000X500=$25 000 000. This is a lot of money for one way trip. Many people in Canada don't make $50 000. With that money they could apply for independent status here I guess.

I don't know about this particular case, but the transit money doesn't always have to be paid upfront. Many times the person smuggled in still owes the money and becomes the "slave" of the trafficker. That's the bind many women find themselves in. They are forced into prostitution, beaten, threatened, and have to "work off" their "debt". If you are in Edmonton or Calgary it's probably happening within a couple miles of you.

[Almer Fudd]

That's the problem. They DON'T have the money. It's a debt that must be repaid to whomever sent them.....with interest. If they cannot keep up payments, then close family members back home are in grave danger. This is one of the ways that terrorist and criminal organizations raise funds. State sanctioned slavery in a way.

Due to the liberial 'pussification' in the name of 'tolerance' and 'inclusiveness', Canada is complicent in helping to financially prop up these groups. We have become an international joke in this regard, and unless the boat is not restocked and turned back out, the other ships will soon follow........

Couldn't agree more.
The high profile of this situation makes the turn back of the ship a no brainer.
Hopefully Harper et. al. have the common sense (balls) to do the right thing.

[Brady]

Politics or not, talking of sending a ship out to sea then sinking it and seeing who can swim, makes it........Not a discussion for AO. Closed!