Willie Nelson busted at 77

[wwbirds]

What were they expecting checking his tour bus leaving California where medicinal herbal is legal. At his age I am sure he must have some glaucoma symtoms to justify it! I would have been more surprized iff the sniffer dogs found nothing.

http://culturemap.com/newsdetail/11-27-10-what-a-shocker-willie-nelson-arrested-for-marijuana-possession/

[guywiththemule]

The USA and Texas government and police force must be just as polictically motivated and greedy as ours is in Alberta and canada. 77 years old and he is smoking something as terrible and corrupt as the evil "pot weed". Give me a break !!!! Can you say;; "Prohibition" (We will decide what is good for you):sign0176:

[Redfrog]

Well I'm glad they caught him. I'll sleep better tonight in my bed in Bodo, knowing that we are winning the war on drugs.:thinking-006:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfgZH8kFAKc

[wwbirds]

There are places in Arizona where the police advise it is too dangerous with mexican drug cartels to protect US citizens so lets go bust Willie in Texas cause we know he willl be carrying. Pass the Oreo's!

[Redfrog]

Birds, I've been to AZ and NM hunting coyotes in the winter. i also have afriend who has a ranch in Texas we hunt on.
It is un believable trying to call along the border. UNBELIEVABLE>

Between the drug peddlers, illegals and border patrol, it is a very busy place. We still kill coyotes, but sometimes we have the border patrol come visit before we clear the area.:scared0018:

[fishcreek215]

they busted willie again?****in goofs...free the weed...ftw

[ehntr]

Well I'm glad they caught him. I'll sleep better tonight in my bed in Bodo, knowing that we are winning the war on drugs.:thinking-006:



Bodo? Norway?

[Redfrog]

Bodo? Norway?


Some days it feels like it.
:scared0018:

[ehntr]

There are places in Arizona where the police advise it is too dangerous with mexican drug cartels to protect US citizens so lets go bust Willie in Texas cause we know he willl be carrying. Pass the Oreo's!

He's a pothead. Doesn't deserve any sympathy at all.

[TreeGuy]

He's a pothead. Doesn't deserve any sympathy at all.

X2!

[Redfrog]

I doubt he is looking for sympathy. I just find it laughable that they bust this guy when there is so much serious stuff going on in the drug industry.

Kinda like PETA protesting a school bake sale instead of heading it down to the biker convention to protest leather.

[Tuc]

You think at 77 years of age, Willie would have grown up by now. You do the crime, pay the fine (or time). I wonder if he has learned to pay Uncle Sam on a yearly basis?
Probably not!

[CaberTosser]

Well at least now someone can redfine the phrase "Free Willy" from it's Clintonian definition ;)

[guywiththemule]

X2!

I think I will campaign against guns and gun ownership because guns might hurt you and guns are dangerous and maybe you are a gun nut and should not be allowed to have a gun. The main reason I have decided this is because I know what is good for you and the rest of society. The reason being; you are too uneducated and ignorant to think for yourself and make an informed decision. Besides everyone knows that only rednecks like guns!! Sound like a pretty argument to you ?? P.S. I don`t smoke pot or take drugs of any kind.:)

[mudbug]

:party0051:

[greylynx]

He's a pothead. Doesn't deserve any sympathy at all.

At least he is not running trans atlantic ATC out of Bodo.:)

[TreeGuy]

I think I will campaign against guns and gun ownership because guns might hurt you and guns are dangerous and maybe you are a gun nut and should not be allowed to have a gun. The main reason I have decided this is because I know what is good for you and the rest of society. The reason being; you are too uneducated and ignorant to think for yourself and make an informed decision. Besides everyone knows that only rednecks like guns!! Sound like a pretty argument to you ?? P.S. I don`t smoke pot or take drugs of any kind.:)

I'm not campaigning against anything. I fact I support the legitimate medicinal use of pot and am very much aware of the benefits it has.

With that being said, I work in an industry that is polluted with healthy 18-40 year old 'potheads'. The stereotypes are more fact than fiction, and on three seperate occasions these wastes of flesh have nearly cost me my life, not to mention the several dozen times I was very, very close to being responsible for costing them theirs due to their vastly reduced cognitive abilities. Thus, my opinions on the subject are strong......

[mudbug]

I've been just about wiped out by guys on construction sites that are so stoned they have no business operating or being near dangerous equipment. :angry3:

The ones that think it's funny and nothing to worry or be concerned about are the worst :mad0100:

[greylynx]

I'm not campaigning against anything. I fact I support the legitimate medicinal use of pot and am very much aware of the benefits it has.

With that being said, I work in an industry that is polluted with healthy 18-40 year old 'potheads'. The stereotypes are more fact than fiction, and on three seperate occasions these wastes of flesh have nearly cost me my life, not to mention the several dozen times I was very, very close to being responsible for costing them theirs due to their vastly reduced cognitive abilities. Thus, my opinions on the subject are strong......

Given your industry type, your WCB fees must be through the roof every year.

I bet the WCB is on you like a pack of coyotes on a gutpile in your profession.

Almost time to make your yearly report to the WCB again. That sucks.

[redranger15]

I think they could find better things to do then to be a hero and bust Willy. With booze you loose, with dope there's hope.:bad_boys_20:

[Enigma]

With that being said, I work in an industry that is polluted with healthy 18-40 year old 'potheads'. The stereotypes are more fact than fiction, and on three seperate occasions these wastes of flesh have nearly cost me my life, not to mention the several dozen times I was very, very close to being responsible for costing them theirs due to their vastly reduced cognitive abilities. Thus, my opinions on the subject are strong......

I've been just about wiped out by guys on construction sites that are so stoned they have no business operating or being near dangerous equipment. :angry3:

Idiots like this don't need pot to be a danger to society. If there wasn't pot, it would be booze. If there wasn't booze it would be something else. I'm a regular smoker of it. But I never smoke it while at work or doing anything that requires concentration or skill. Losers that do that, are just as likely to drink on the job and on the road.

It's like saying everyone that drinks alcohol are drunks..dangerous drivers and a menace to society. SOME are..some are also responsible drinkers. Same with pot. There are many responsible users that would never use it in that way. The reason you only see the stereotypes is because you probably don't even recognize the responsible users . They are quite often professionals, business owners, family heads, and you would never guess they smoke weed. If this was 1925 this thread would be about booze. Semantics? Maybe. The gov't legalizes a substance that kills a human every 6 seconds..yet wages a multi-billion dollar war on a product that is less potent that alcohol.

[TreeGuy]

I actually agree with you, Enigma. What responsible adults do in their private lives is no one's business but their own.

However, what I'm seeing is the children of responsible users who were raised in a home with very casual attitudes toward drug use, and it ain't pretty. Most are occasional if not regular users of extasy (which is now often meth laced), coke is coming back into vogue and then there's crack. So much of this is a result of parents who sneek the odd reefer and don't think it's a big deal. They're wrong.

[Enigma]

I actually agree with you, Enigma. What responsible adults do in their private lives is no one's business but their own.

However, what I'm seeing is the children of responsible users who were raised in a home with very casual attitudes toward drug use, and it ain't pretty. Most are occasional if not regular users of extasy (which is now often meth laced), coke is coming back into vogue and then there's crack. So much of this is a result of parents who sneek the odd reefer and don't think it's a big deal. They're wrong.

I also agree..to a point. But again...these kids that end up hardcore drug users..was it because the parents smoked the odd joint? Or was it improper parenting all around..or other deeper seeded problems (abuse etc). And what was the initial "gateway" drug...was it the reefer? Or was it before that..the first whiskey...or the first beer?

Again in my case, and I know many, MANY other cases, of parents who smoked pot and raised perfectly normal responsible adults. Just as many parents who drink booze are quite capable of raising kids without them becoming alcoholics. At the same time, there are just as many kids whacked out on hard drugs whose parents were 'tea totallers'. We were just as open about drinking as we were with our "smoke" around our kids. I didn't smoke it in the same room as them, most often we stepped outside after the kids were in bed. But we never "snuck" it around them..when they became old enough to know what it was, we openly told them all about it. They knew that it was just as off limits as alcohol was. Was never a problem.
I drink maybe one or two drinks on a weekend tops. None during the week. I also dont smoke (cigarettes), neither does my wife. Sure we've partied hard at times..but its a few drinks, a few joints, and we can wake up the next morning at 7:00 am, feeling fine. Unlike most people that booze hard. Put 50 people together in a room and get them all drunk. Put another 50 people in another room and smoke up...now tell me, which room is most likely to have a fight. Used responsibly, pot is no worse than alcohol. Alcohol cause way, WAY more social and economic woes than cannabis use does. In fact, alcohol still causes way more deaths than pot, even counting in all the "stupid potheads".

[TreeGuy]

We could probably argue about this all night bud........get it? jk :lol:

I do think that it will be legalized though........eventually. As governments either get further into debt or are trying to find a way to get out of it, ANY new source of revenue will be looked at. Weed is a multi, multi billion dollar industry that at this point is only costing governments money in law enforcement/judicary/incarcination, etc.

[mudbug]

Idiots like this don't need pot to be a danger to society. If there wasn't pot, it would be booze. If there wasn't booze it would be something else. I'm a regular smoker of it. But I never smoke it while at work or doing anything that requires concentration or skill. Losers that do that, are just as likely to drink on the job and on the road.

It's like saying everyone that drinks alcohol are drunks..dangerous drivers and a menace to society. SOME are..some are also responsible drinkers. Same with pot. There are many responsible users that would never use it in that way. The reason you only see the stereotypes is because you probably don't even recognize the responsible users . They are quite often professionals, business owners, family heads, and you would never guess they smoke weed. If this was 1925 this thread would be about booze. Semantics? Maybe. The gov't legalizes a substance that kills a human every 6 seconds..yet wages a multi-billion dollar war on a product that is less potent that alcohol.

Yes it's the people that are irresponsible that are the hazards and if it isn't pot it would be something else.

[SCO]

I actually agree with you, Enigma. What responsible adults do in their private lives is no one's business but their own.

However, what I'm seeing is the children of responsible users who were raised in a home with very casual attitudes toward drug use, and it ain't pretty. Most are occasional if not regular users of extasy (which is now often meth laced), coke is coming back into vogue and then there's crack. So much of this is a result of parents who sneek the odd reefer and don't think it's a big deal. They're wrong.

X2! Well said!

[backpacker]

I agree with Enigma on this one. If used responsibly, weed is by far less harmful than booze. I find it ridiculous to say pot is a gateway drug though. A person that smokes weed will not necessarily move on to become a coke head or meth addict.I experimented with a lot of drugs in my youth but never anything that was addictive and that's where it ended.

I am 51 now and have been smoking weed in moderation since I was 15 or so. I enjoy the buzz way more than the effects of booze. I agree that if you drink and drive you are an idiot, and the same goes for weed. You are impaired and shouldn't be behind the wheel. As far as using at work... same thing! You aren't in total control of your senses and can't see why anyone would think otherwise.

One day Canada will legalize pot but probably not until we have a government in place with the balls to tell "big Brother" to the south to mind thier own damn business.

As far as Willy getting busted... he must know by now that he is most likely to be pulled over an checked? What was he thinking?

[GRUNTCALL]

Thank goodness the North Koreans don't smoke it....or do they?:scared0018:

[Redfrog]

"As far as Willy getting busted... he must know by now that he is most likely to be pulled over an checked? What was he thinking? "

Uh maybe he wasn't thinking, just smoking.:thinking-006:

[rugatika]

I'm not in the far less harmful than booze dept. If used responsibly, alcohol is far less harmful than pot. Comparing "responsible" pot users with "irresponsible" booze users isn't really apples and oranges. The guy that has a beer after work or a wine with dinner isn't going to see the damage to his health that the guy who smokes a joint after work or with his pizza does. And I haven't seen any studies that suggest anything to the contrary. But if you guys have some study that says otherwise I'd love to see it.

Pot smoked once a day in my mind will do far more damage than a couple beers a day. Cancer etc etc. Yes it's less harmful compared to the guy that drinks a dozen beer or a 26 a day. Any chronic pot smokers I've known have all been "slow talkers" with obvious cognitive damage never mind the damage it does to lungs etc. And I sure wouldn't let a chronic pot smoker do any surgery on me or make me a burger or anything like that.

Having said that...if you want to blaze away in your own home...go for it. The occasional user (as opposed to the chronic) is likely no different than the guy that has a six pack on the weekend. Just have some repspect for neighbours etc that don't necessarily like the smell of skunk. I get sick of smelling that crap in hotel hallways, parking lots (from open windows of super sneaky smokers) etc.

Just because I'm curious...what in your guy's minds constitutes a "regular" user?? Once a day? Once a week? And how many of you regular users would consider pot a problem at what threshold? If you wake up and smoke a joint and then a couple at night?? twice a week? a pound a day? Just curious if there's a level where even regular users say..."Dude...you got a problem?" How long do you guys wait to drive after you've smoked? Would you let a once a day smoker operate on your child? etc etc. Not judging...just curious, cause I've always been the guy that says no thanks, when it gets passed around and stuck to my beer.

By the way....I've seen a couple friends that started out on pot and progressed to much more "lethal" drugs. And yes...had one friend die from drugs, and a couple that came damn close. (None from pot...but they all started out on pot). I have never seen or heard of anyone that did any "hard" drugs that hadn't smoked pot. Not saying that smoking pot necessarily leads to those other drugs, but it sure seems that if you don't smoke pot your chances of progressing on to other drugs is not very high. And to be fair I suppose the same argument could be made for booze...is a couple beers on the weekend a lead up to severe and chronic alcoholism?

Anyway....just curious.

PS: Perhaps the scariest and most damaging aspect of pot smokers is that many of them seem to vote NDP. That's reason enough to keep it outlawed. lol....I'm just kidding!! sort of. :thinking-006:

[FOTW]

Glad to see that a man that smoked his first joint with father time is in jail, Good use of taxpayers dollars. Nevermind violent or dangerous criminals lets bust senior dopers. How many of you get into a tossing fit when you see a 2pac shirt? You know since he was a convicted sex offender I assume some of you would get quite riled about it.

[Enigma]

I'm not in the far less harmful than booze dept. If used responsibly, alcohol is far less harmful than pot. Comparing "responsible" pot users with "irresponsible" booze users isn't really apples and oranges. The guy that has a beer after work or a wine with dinner isn't going to see the damage to his health that the guy who smokes a joint after work or with his pizza does. And I haven't seen any studies that suggest anything to the contrary. But if you guys have some study that says otherwise I'd love to see it.

Pot smoked once a day in my mind will do far more damage than a couple beers a day. Cancer etc etc. Yes it's less harmful compared to the guy that drinks a dozen beer or a 26 a day. Any chronic pot smokers I've known have all been "slow talkers" with obvious cognitive damage never mind the damage it does to lungs etc. And I sure wouldn't let a chronic pot smoker do any surgery on me or make me a burger or anything like that.

Having said that...if you want to blaze away in your own home...go for it. The occasional user (as opposed to the chronic) is likely no different than the guy that has a six pack on the weekend. Just have some repspect for neighbours etc that don't necessarily like the smell of skunk. I get sick of smelling that crap in hotel hallways, parking lots (from open windows of super sneaky smokers) etc.

Just because I'm curious...what in your guy's minds constitutes a "regular" user?? Once a day? Once a week? And how many of you regular users would consider pot a problem at what threshold? If you wake up and smoke a joint and then a couple at night?? twice a week? a pound a day? Just curious if there's a level where even regular users say..."Dude...you got a problem?" How long do you guys wait to drive after you've smoked? Would you let a once a day smoker operate on your child? etc etc. Not judging...just curious, cause I've always been the guy that says no thanks, when it gets passed around and stuck to my beer.

By the way....I've seen a couple friends that started out on pot and progressed to much more "lethal" drugs. And yes...had one friend die from drugs, and a couple that came damn close. (None from pot...but they all started out on pot). I have never seen or heard of anyone that did any "hard" drugs that hadn't smoked pot. Not saying that smoking pot necessarily leads to those other drugs, but it sure seems that if you don't smoke pot your chances of progressing on to other drugs is not very high. And to be fair I suppose the same argument could be made for booze...is a couple beers on the weekend a lead up to severe and chronic alcoholism?

Anyway....just curious.

PS: Perhaps the scariest and most damaging aspect of pot smokers is that many of them seem to vote NDP. That's reason enough to keep it outlawed. lol....I'm just kidding!! sort of. :thinking-006:

^ That last part was pretty funny :lol:

Sensible post and fair questions. I'll try to answer as best I can.
First, my background. I was raised a "hippie child" in the late 60's/ early 70's. Actually first smoked pot at age 9. Stopped at age 13 or so, only because it was "no big deal". Became quite religious and stayed away from it until my mid 30's. I got tired of the "hangovers" from booze and spending a day and a half just recovering, so wife and I tried pot again. Very helpful to relieve stress & chronic pain, AND...the upside was we could party hard with the rest of the boozers and no hangover.

Fast forward to now..we almost never "party hard", but do enjoy a smoke when watching a movie, relaxing at a campground, or when friends are over having a party.

How much is "too much"? Vague question. I/we might have a puff or two once or twice a week at night. We might also go two or three weeks without any. If we are enjoying a weekend at a hotel without the kids, we might have some morning, noon and night. An ounce (about $180-200 worth) will last us a few months.

How long a wait til I might drive? Depends. Same question about drinking. I'll drive after I've had a beer or two at dinner. Same with a puff. Non-users seem to think that if you smoke a joint you're incapacitated. That is so not true. I will have enough to relax me...that's it. Except for the smell, no one would ever be able to tell I've had a few puffs. When I'm drinking and partying and smoking all night, then yes...no different than a person who's been drinking all night long. Then its no driving/operating heavy machinery or doing year-end taxes.

As for booze vs pot...yes I will agree..moderate use compared to moderate use..pot is more harmful. Cancer causing is a far reach though. I've never found any stats on a smoker who only smokes pot and not cigarettes. A tobacco smoker smokes anywhere between 10 and 40 cigarettes a day. A pot smoker, maybe half a dozen a week. The damage isn't caused by the THC, but more the burning of other ingredients. plain ol' campfire smoke, if breathed in on a daily basis, will cause damage too. That's why I would prefer to smoke it with a vaporizer instead of burning it...less carcinogens.

But yes...it causes health hazards. So does too much fat, carbs, sugar, salt, booze, not enough exercise, etc etc etc.

For any of the "open minded" ones about the subject..there's a very interesting 90 minute documentary on the legalization and benefits from it, from different perspectives.

You can stream it at: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2200160322729097762#
(The most striking experience is from a lady with Cerebral Palsy at the 0:36 mark)

You adamant "pot-is-the-same-as-Heroin" don't need to watch it..nothing will change your views.

About the only thing that I find really annoying is the "look down your nose at me" attitude of some people. They'll tell me what a bad person I am, while at the same time taking a drag from their Export A's. I don't judge you..what gives you the right to judge me.

[reelhooker]

I agree with Enima's point of view, And I would'nt judge him for his choices... unless he was a liberal.

It's to bad that attention was put on Willy Nelson when it could have been doing something constructive.

[wwbirds]

How did those Texas Rangers figure out Willie might be carrying. Sounds like detective work to me! Or maybe youtube?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDQANmQO2g0

Hey Redfrog I didn't realize you traveled far and wide for coyote hunting to Texas. I've never run out of them around here although Texas in January sounds much more pleasant even with Border Patrol.

[blackpheasant]

I look at both Booze and Pot as being a drug the only difference is one is refined and one isn't....does Pot lead to more serious drugs ? it can...does Booze lead to more serious drugs ? of course it can and does...

[great white whaler]

weed doze affect the brain i don't like to work around somebody running heavy equipment after smoking this so called wheel chair weed to days smoke is really potent i hope my kids don't take it up it doze slow a young mind ,i don't smoke cigarettes like a couple of beers after work around the camp fire every now and than when the gager is pasted around i take a drag.......it makes me hungry and a procrastinar ,,,,,,

[wwbirds]

Proof positive a couple beers won't affect spelling punctuation or grammar.

and to think my eye specialist wouldn't prescribe medical MJ as the drops he gives me are good for 12 hours and I would have to smoke a joint every hour for the same low pressure glaucoma effect.

[Redfrog]

wwbirds, it is tougher to call and kill them southern coyotes, just because there is more pressure on them. Hunting in Alberta in Jan/Feb or in NM is really a tough decision even if you don't factor in the
$12 a bottle for Cuervo.:)

[wwbirds]

I suppose the Cuervo makes up for the challenge or maybe then I just wouldn't care. Something like Willies weed!

[Redfrog]

It may seem strange, but I've never drank to get a buzz. I have a couple drinks because I like the taste.

If I drink Cuervo, it is usually a shot or two on ice.

[rhuntley12]

I see a can o worms!

The company I work for Tobacco is a big part and with taxes constantly going up sale of legal tobacco is going down and black market is going up fast.

I do see a point in time where the taxes get so high either people go to black market tobacco or just stop smoking which I think is the "goal"

Then the even bigger problem is the loss of taxes, either our taxes are going to have to skyrocket to cover less smokers or something else will have to get taxes heavily. (God forbid they lower spending)

[igorot]

I hope you grow your own pot if not : you are fueling this drug cartel which uses the money on other illegal activities.:mad0100:

[GRUNTCALL]

Willy Nelson is a great song-writer/ musician. But I'm just an average Joe that got caught up in the 60's craziness and survived, having tried whatever was out there. Smoked weed a handful of times since then and didnt enjoy it, mainly because of the nagging legality problem. Life is too complicated already to add run-ins with the authorities to the list so pot, etc. will be out-of bounds (off-sides,eh?)
As far as legal substances are concerned, my goal is to follow the example of Paul who said "all things are lawful for me but I will not be a slave to anything". The legal ones have created big enough issues here. My 2 cents.

[eastcoast]

I think it's about time we threw in the towel against weed and the war on drugs,people of all stripes in life do I have met lawyers/doctors and professors who do it,it harms nobody and is probably better for you than alcohol.

[Okotokian]

As long as Willie gets exactly the same rights and treatment as you would if the cop smelled pot in your car, then I'm cool with it.

I liked the Sherriff's brag:

"Hudspeth County Sheriff Arvin West told the El Paso Times that Nelson could get 180 days in county jail (this is Texas, after all).

"If he does, I'm going to make him cook and clean. He can wear the stripy uniforms just like the other ones do," West said."

He got his 15 seconds of fame to show what a tough guy he is. LOL

[wwbirds]

Okotokes, they didn't admit to smelling pot just a suspicious odour. Now what Texas cop couldn't put a name to that odour?
How would we be treated? In Ontario or BC 6 oz is personal use and slap on wrist. Alberta probably a little more serious.
If they spent as much time on gangs as they do on busting people with grass it would be a lot safer place. Worst crime scenario on grass "munchies".

Even in "tough" Texas, Willie won't do a single day of time.

The more enlightened states have recognized medical marijauna has medicinal properties for those with fibramyalgia, cancer, MS, glaucoma etc etc.
I am sure at 77 Willie would quailify for a little medical "comfort".

[Okotokian]

In Ontario or BC 6 oz is personal use and slap on wrist. Alberta probably a little more serious.


Drug laws are all the same in every province in Canada. It's a federal law. Different in the states. Legalization arguments apart, if you enter a jurisdiction you better know and respect their laws.

[wwbirds]

Federal law yes but just like the Firearms legislation some provinces apply more or less enforcement priority. Both BC and Ontario are very lax with grass as the court system would be (and is) choked up with petty charges.

[mooseknuckle]

6 oz is considered personal use? I find that hard to believe maybe 6 grams.

your talking about a street value between 2-2500$ I've been out of "the seen" for quite some time but that seems like alot of pot forpersonal use.

[Enigma]

6 oz is considered personal use? I find that hard to believe maybe 6 grams.

your talking about a street value between 2-2500$ I've been out of "the seen" for quite some time but that seems like alot of pot forpersonal use.
Buying by the ounce it's only $180 per ounce. $220 if it's "good". Down south there it's probably more like $125-150.
$2500 is what you can buy an "elbow" for even here in Alberta.
A heavy user easily goes through an ounce every two weeks. 6 oz is only 6 small ziplock baggies worth. Not much at all. He won't do any time

[Enigma]

Sorry. "elbow" = "lb". (pound). $2500/lb

[FOTW]

I hope you grow your own pot if not : you are fueling this drug cartel which uses the money on other illegal activities.:mad0100:

And if you buy a gun that is not registered you are supporting Terrorism and funding murderers.

Sounds retarded, Doesn't it?

[igorot]

And if you buy a gun that is not registered you are supporting Terrorism and funding murderers.

Sounds retarded, Doesn't it?


No I dont buy my guns on the sidewalk as I am not stupid enough. I did not know that unregistered guns are being manufactured by the terrorist and murderers. Is that what you are saying?

When you buy your dope where do you think your money goes on charity, victims of crimes or rehab center?:sHa_sarcasticlol:Maybe the family of those innocent bystander that was hit by those gang shootout are happy to hear your answer.

[Reeves1]

At 77 I say he should have gotten a "free pass" !

He is a favorite "rogue" of many people !

Plus he has done good: Farm Aid & likely more.

On the road again .....

[FOTW]

No I dont buy my guns on the sidewalk as I am not stupid enough. I did not know that unregistered guns are being manufactured by the terrorist and murderers. Is that what you are saying?

When you buy your dope where do you think your money goes on charity, victims of crimes or rehab center?:sHa_sarcasticlol:Maybe the family of those innocent bystander that was hit by those gang shootout are happy to hear your answer.

So your telling me that if I buy weed off of a guy who grows it I am funding Terrorism and Murderers? You know how the media writes bogus articles to people who don't have the common sense to think for themselves? You are one of those.

[MrLeahy]

:party0052::party0051:

[The Huntinator]

6 oz is not personal use. In the criminal code a person may posses 30 grams and it is punishable by summary conviction and not a criminal charge. Anything over and it becomes a criminal charge and not just a fine.

The argument that weed is a gateway drug is true in a way but not for the reasons many people think. I believe the reason that marijuana is a gateway drug is because of the people you get to know through buying it illegally. I graduated to hard drugs 2 years ago and am now getting clean(4 months tomorrow). When I was smoking weed I never thought of doing hard drugs. They didn't sound all that appealing. The first time I tried my soon to become drug of choice it was because I was drinking and my pot dealer had some "good stuff". In the condition I was in I thought what the he** that sounds like a good idea. If I had went and bought my weed the same way I would go to buy booze I would most likely not have met those people and would not have been in that situation. Most people say they don't know any hard drug users that didn't start out smoking weed. That is not true. I have known many hard drug users that started out using extacy or cocaine. Most of them were drinking and thought it would be fun to add to the buzz. Most people I know have never smoked a joint and thought some coke would be fun right now.

The weed is better/worse for you than booze is a very gray area. There are many studies out there going both ways. I believe the social problems caused by alcohol are far worse the the ones caused by weed. One of the best ways I have heard it put was how many times have you heard of someone going home after smoking a joint and beating their wife? How many times with booze? For me marijuana= happy, hungry, sleepy.

There are many misconceptions out there about marijuana and I think there has to be a lot more in depth studies done before any law changes should be made. I think if people did more research on their own before making up their mind that weed is bad there would be some different attitudes out there. I am not saying go smoke a joint (it is illegal) but just because the government says its bad doesn't always mean it is.

And for the record I do not smoke marijuana anymore or drink.

A couple other good documentaries about this subject are super high me and the union.

[Giterdone]

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[Raven]

A lot of misinformed people out there.

The argument weed is a gateway drug is a complete farce. Smoking weed will not make u feel like doing a line of coke, or pill of extacy. Yes a large percentage of the people who have done/doing hard drugs have smoked weed before. Why? Weed is far less harmful (THC itself is not harmful at all, but everything in smoke form isn't a benefit), and a lot weaker effects, and most people prefer to try something they can control themselves on, then progress to their planned hard drug use. People who smoke weed just to experience weed, don't end up craving something with stronger effects.

But pretty much all hard drug users/experimenters have tried alcohol. So alcohol is the true gateway. The only reason so many people have tried alcohol (and in this case, its not because its less harmful or less effects than weed) is because its legal. People trust the government with their lives.

When you buy your weed from someone who doesn't directly grow your weed, your money does NOT go to the drug cartels (like profits from crack/coke/heroin/meth do). That's absolutely hilarious. Most weed sold and consumed in Alberta is grown in Alberta, indoors. The rest is from BC and is known to be usually good. This goes for every province in Canada, with alberta having the highest bc bud percentage compared to province-grown. My point of this is none of its from Mexico, or the US for that matter, LOL. And It's grown by a lot of different types of people (who in the end, use the money for their personal/family lives). I've never, ever seen mexican weed. Their weed (no point in shipping all the way up here, too many canadian growers) is garbage anyways, its always hustled in production to bring in money, and its a harsh climate for it. That's why it's always way cheap ($60 for an ounce of good stuff).

Yes some of these canadian growers have gang ties, but generally their weed only stays in the low percentage of people that deal with them and their gangs, but most growers (who last) have clean records and only deal with marijuana, and with only 1-6 people picking up off them normally (for big amounts). These people are the dealers. They themselves have runners and sometimes those runners have runners. So all your weed is grown and sold like this.

The government wastes millions a year on fighting something that their fighting simply because their too embaressed to admit they were wrong decades ago, and that's also the same reason why alcohol hasn't been made illegal. Sad but true. The product itself is relatively safe. The only downside being its normally in smoke form, so that can damage the lungs in large amounts. A single puff a day, would not show any signs of lung damage, they heal themselves quickly after all).

That's all I can think of to dispute so far.

[Okotokian]

Yes some of these canadian growers have gang ties, but generally their weed only stays in the low percentage of people that deal with them and their gangs, but most growers (who last) have clean records and only deal with marijuana, and with only 1-6 people picking up off them normally (for big amounts). These people are the dealers. They themselves have runners and sometimes those runners have runners. So all your weed is grown and sold like this.



Im very happy to hear that the vast majority of growers and traffickers follow a code of ethics where they do not sell to gangs, do not have or use illegal weapos, do not sell to minors or go anywhere near the school system, and ensure that their grow-ops do not damage rental premises, steal power, or ruin the property values of the local neighbourhoods they are in. ;)

[Enigma]

Im very happy to hear that the vast majority of growers and traffickers follow a code of ethics where they do not sell to gangs, do not have or use illegal weapos, do not sell to minors or go anywhere near the school system, and ensure that their grow-ops do not damage rental premises, steal power, or ruin the property values of the local neighbourhoods they are in. ;)
We can thank the criminalization of marijuana for that. Sounds like very same problems that the bootleggers of the prohibition era caused. Murders, extortion, property damage, gangs...once they legalized alcohol...all those related gang/mob problems from the booze runners seemed to have disappeared. And our nation as a whole didn't self destruct. (well okay...that last statement is debatable) :lol:

Tell me again, what exactly would happen if the gov't legalized it, grew it, and taxed it...what the huge consequence would be?

[Okotokian]

Tell me again, what exactly would happen if the gov't legalized it, grew it, and taxed it...what the huge consequence would be?

Well for a start it would be overpriced crap.... ;) LOL

[wwbirds]

Yup over priced and the governemtn would find a way to reduce the THC or ban a certain percentage (11.9 comes to mind) from sales. heard the medical stuff is really weak as well as a friend of my wifes got the prescription to relieve some of the symptoms of fibramyalgia.
Prob need a bag of it to compare with the street stuff we saw in the 60's & 70's and the modern stuff is twice as potent.

[Raven]

Im very happy to hear that the vast majority of growers and traffickers follow a code of ethics where they do not sell to gangs, do not have or use illegal weapos, do not sell to minors or go anywhere near the school system, and ensure that their grow-ops do not damage rental premises, steal power, or ruin the property values of the local neighbourhoods they are in. ;)

Well Oke, I was talking about growers. Very few growers out there with gang ties. Will they supply somebody who is selling it that is involved with gangs? Possibly I guess, depends how safe they feel around them (growers are pretty smart and careful, keep in mind they don't want gangs knowing where their grow is for obvious reasons). And even if they did deal with the odd gang member, unless the grower himself was gang involved then the bulk of the profit goes to the grower. The dealers and runners along the line will get profits, but hardly feeding the gangs networth (they use their personal money made for their own lives, not to buy the gang more illegal goods lol).

Damaging rental places and stealing power, LOL. Maybe some careless kid who doesn't know what he's doing. No grower out there who knows even half of his stuff, would grow in a place that's being rented, nevermind steal power. Landowners can walk in and smell it, notice power bill and other stuff used for growing laying around, nevermind the power company's getting suspicious over massive power usage amounts. Not gonna happen.

And you claim growers ruin property values around the neighbourhood? Wut the heck? LOL. Maybe the local crack house, with repeat offenders in the dozens of times. The neighbourhood would never even realize weed is being grown there. Growers generally stay real quiet, be very nice to neighbours (try and keep on everyones good page), not to mention the growers a lot of the time operate in very well off neighbourhoods. A lot less risky in all sorts of ways.

As for growing near schools...sure. What's worse to a kids health? Weed, alcohol or smokes? You can find the other 2 around schools as well. Guess we should wipe out the liquor stores and tobacco fields? Save the kids in school right? Not like that would help anyways, kids would always find it illegal or not.

As for weapons. Yes some people carry a gun, to protect their property same as everything else. Why would some written law prevent somebody from wanting to protect their property, illegal or not? There isn't a law that allows people to protect their property with firearms in Canada anyway, so weather the weapon in question is protecting somebodys grow or somebodys shiny car, its technically still illegal.

But people wouldn't need to protect it if it was legalized and taxed. The only reason there's such a need to protect it is because its ILLEGAL! There would be no need for people to rob growers or dealers when there's enough of the stuff everywhere else. Laws themselves are what make people go crazy.

[Raven]

Just wanted to comment on potency. Street weed is very potent these days and comes in different strains if the grower/seller knows what's up. Kush is very potent but also more pricey. The government has always used this as an argument (weed back in the day was way less dangerous). Complete opposite. The more THC in the weed, the less plant material u have to actually smoke. It's that plant material that is bad for the lungs when smoked, not the THC. Potent weed just means a lot less carcinogens to smoke.

[TreeGuy]

Raven I agree with you for the most part. You are correct in saying that the vast majority of growers are not gang releated. The problem is they don't produce the vast majority of the product. High production, residential gang sponsered operations do.

What we're seeing here in Calgary is that residential homes are being purchased by organized criminal groups, set up as grow-ops top to bottem, and then an immigrant family (legal or smuggled) is parked in that 'home' to tend 3-6 crops (or more) with the promise of support and the house being deeded over to them after a certain level of production.

To dismiss the level of involvement of organized crime and gangs is terribly short-sighted.

[Raven]

Raven I agree with you for the most part. You are correct in saying that the vast majority of growers are not gang releated. The problem is they don't produce the vast majority of the product. High production, residential gang sponsered operations do.

What we're seeing here in Calgary is that residential homes are being purchased by organized criminal groups, set up as grow-ops top to bottem, and then an immigrant family (legal or smuggled) is parked in that 'home' to tend 3-6 crops (or more) with the promise of support and the house being deeded over to them after a certain level of production.

To dismiss the level of involvement of organized crime and gangs is terribly short-sighted.

Tree, good response. Fair point made. I was unaware it was like that in Calgary (I'll take your word on that one as you know more about there than I do. I'm in Edmonton. Here almost all of the weed comes from the non-gang supported growers. Reason being the younger population. Most tee
ns and people in their 20's buy it off people they already know, who get it from a older brother or other friend that is living on their own and growing it. Not many kids like dealing with gang involved drug dealing when they can go get it off a friend down the street. I know there are some rough organizations out there right now trying to control all the drugs, and their having (and always have had) a problem with the weed side because of that one reason, younger people can always get it off somebody they trust and know.

[sheephunter]

Tree, good response. Fair point made. I was unaware it was like that in calgary (I'll take your word on that one as you know more about there than I do. I'm in edmonton. Here almost all of the weed comes from the non-gang supported growers. Reason being the younger population. Most teens and people in their 20's buy it off people they already know, who get it from a brother or other friend that is growing it. Not many kids like dealing with gang involved drug dealing when they can go get it off a friend down the street. I know there are some rough organizations out there right now trying to control all the drugs, and their having (and always have had) a problem with the weed side because of that one reason, younger people can always get it off somebodu who they trust and know.

Have you got pictures to prove that? ;)

Raven, I appreciate the fact that you see the world through rose coloured glasses but weed is a huge gang revenue source and hundreds of houses in the Calgary, Chestermere and yes even Edmonton areas have been rented and turned into grow houses with power being stolen. If there is money to made off of illegal trades, count on the gangs, whether they be Asian, First Nations, bikers or other ethnic groups being involved.

[Enigma]

What we're seeing here in Calgary is that residential homes are being purchased by organized criminal groups, set up as grow-ops top to bottem, and then an immigrant family (legal or smuggled) is parked in that 'home' to tend 3-6 crops (or more) with the promise of support and the house being deeded over to them after a certain level of production.

To dismiss the level of involvement of organized crime and gangs is terribly short-sighted.

All that weed rarely hits the streets of Calgary. About 99% of that is destined for the states, where its traded pound-for-pound for coke, then brought back here. All the Asian-run grow ups do this. Back east it's the bikers. Most of your small quantities of weed that everyone here buys by the oz or 1/4 ounce is provided by small time growers.

But you're right...its all part of big time drug dealers. Which just makes legalization all the more important. Hope it comes soon.

[pickrel pat]

All that weed rarely hits the streets of Calgary. About 99% of that is destined for the states, where its traded pound-for-pound for coke, then brought back here. All the Asian-run grow ups do this. Back east it's the bikers. Most of your small quantities of weed that everyone here buys by the oz or 1/4 ounce is provided by small time growers.

But you're right...its all part of big time drug dealers. Which just makes legalization all the more important. Hope it comes soon.this is very true.

[Enigma]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cefoV_A878

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