buying new rifle which caliber

[troyfitt]

which caliber 300rum or 300wsm,been told i won't like the recoil of the rum just starting to do some research wondered what everyone else thought

[full_throttle]

300 WSM. I am having one built right now!

[lavigne25]

308 is a good all round , most common amo

[elkhunter11]

The 300WSM, and the 300RUM are both the same caliber.

The 300RUM is a great long range cartridge for a shooter with above average shooting skills, that is willing to take the time, and spend the money to shoot enough to learn the trajectory and wind drift at various distances, and to keep his shooting skills sharp. On the negative side, recoil is noticeably more than the 300WSM or the 300winmag, barrel life is noticeable shorter than the 300WSM/winmag, and factory loads are much more limited in variety. The 300RUM is a poor choice for the box or two of ammunition per year shooter, because they don't have the skills or experience to take advantage of the cartridges potential.

Either the 300WSM, or the 300win mag , are far better choices for the average shooter.

[sns2]

I think Elkhunter just answered your question. Quite capably, I might add.

[7mmremmag]

If your anywhere near Cold Lake Troy your more than welcome to put a few rounds through my 300 rum.
Elkhunter does make a great point though, I thought long and hard and decided that I wanted an Ultra mag. I decided to start handloading and spend a lot more time at the range. If I wasnt willing to commit to either of those I would have went with a 338 win mag.
Also the recoil isnt as bad as what some members crack it up to be! Yes it kicks harder than my 30-06 or 7mm rm, but its no cannon. That being said I guess it all depends on the shooter, and your size, im 6'1 230 lbs
PM me if you wanna shoot mine

[lavigne25]

well elkhunter11 if you can hit a dvd case at 800 meters with a 308 150g then your good like me i dont need no 300wsm

[elkhunter11]

well elkhunter11 if you can hit a dvd case at 800 meters with a 308 150g then your good like me i dont need no 300wsm

I don't need a 300WSM either, and I don't shoot at game animals at 800 yards, but I have owned two 300RUM rifles, that I used to kill nine elk and two moose.

[BallCoeff.435]

which caliber 300rum or 300wsm,been told i won't like the recoil of the rum just starting to do some research wondered what everyone else thought

Neither. For a .308 cal cartridge I'd go with the ballistics of a 300 win mag and concentrate on getting an accurate rifle for it. Going to the 300wsm and the disadvantages of a fat [hunting] cartridge doesn't buy you anything that a very good rifle in 300 win mag would offer.

Furthermore, the 300 RUM seems to be designed to throw a 180 gn pill faster than the 2800-3000 fps of a 300 winmag, for higher energy retention at farther distance. However, that's less of an advantage at distance compared to a typically heavier round [250gn] from a 340 wby or 338 LM which would retain more energy reliably at that greater distance. (Lighter bullets at faster speed lose energy faster than heavier bullets at moderate speeds). And at close ranges anything substantially faster than 3000 fps [like from a RUM] is begging for bullet failure.

Like most technologies, at some point it makes sense to just move up to the next overall bigger level instead of going faster with what you're already using. Like moving up to a highway tractor/trailer with airbrakes instead of just putting huge springs and heavy tires on a one-ton. Or like getting an airplane instead of a corvette so you don't have to dodge cops and highway frost heaves.

So, IMHO over-magnums like the RUM, 30-338 Wby, Lazzaroni Titan etc. don't really provide any advantages for either game-getting or paper-punching other than increasing point-blank range for any particular caliber. The disadvantages however are big. Rare, expensive ammo, and increased barrel wear.

But, if that's what you happen to like anyway, whatever. Some people like to eat way too much hot sauce on everything, too. Their choice.

[lavigne25]

this is the ballistics program i use what one do you use?

[depopulator]

This ballistic program has been my go-to for many years - .308 Win to 1/2 mile, or so :)
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/depopulator/P5310742.jpg

[lavigne25]

nice depopulator

[catnthehat]

well elkhunter11 if you can hit a dvd case at 800 meters with a 308 150g then your good like me i dont need no 300wsm
So what besides a DVD case are you hunting at 800 yards with a 308??!!
That's a very accurate round, but I can tell you for a fact that it isn't a decent killer at 500 on deer , let alone 800.
Better stick with the 300WSM...
Cat

[lavigne25]

i dont hunt with 150g ammo i use norma vulkan 200grain or lapua subsonic 200grain

[catnthehat]

i dont hunt with 150g ammo i use norma vulkan 200grain or lapua subsonic 200grain
So you are saying you hunt with a 200 grain bullet FMJ bullet ( which the sub sonic is IIRC at 800 yards that has about 500ftlbs at that distance?
Listen up, go try to B.S. some other wannnabes that will swallow that crap, it ain't cuttin' it here.
Cat

[big-river]

Is that DVD case laying down or propped up? Are you shooting it edgewise or broadside?

I had a .300 WSM in a Browning BLR with a 3.5-10 Leupold. It would knock out your dental work. Unpleasant gun to shoot.
I have a .300 RUM in a Remington Sendaro, with a 3.5-10 Leica scope. It is actually surprisingly easy to shoot. Recoil is not an issue. My teenage kid shoots it, he weighs in at 145 pounds. He shoots it well, recoil is not afactor.

So much depends on stock materials and design, plus rifle weight and barrel length.

I'd go with the .300 RUm and get good with it. I found ballistically the 300WSM was not as good as what the press clippings would lead you to believe.

[catnthehat]

jelousy lol

Hardly , I know full well what I can do with a long range rifle and what the 308 will do, and it doesn't do its best work at the distances you are bragging about with a 200 grain anything.
I doubt if you have even SHOT one of those Lapuas , let alone out of a 308.
Cat

[elkhunter11]

jelousy lol

Seeing as how I have shot rifles and shotguns with the Cat for many years, I for one, know that with his shooting skills, he has no reason to be jealous of other peoples shooting. Even if the other person does out shoot him, he isn't the jealous type.

[Marlin xl7]

Well Marlin, there are many here that know I help and offer advice when I can and tend to run up the post count because of it , and also because I tend to get drawn into idiotic threads like this because of some members !:budo:
Cat

And we thank you for it!! :)

[catnthehat]

which caliber 300rum or 300wsm,been told i won't like the recoil of the rum just starting to do some research wondered what everyone else thought
Now that we have completely messed up the thread, Troy, I would go with the 300WSM , for most of the reasons stated.

I've done some long distance work with the 300 and it is pretty easy to get components and load for, and doesn't recoil, near as much as the RUM.
I may be wrong but you likely will find a better selection of rifles in the 300WSM as well....
Cat

[Fixall7]

It all depends on what kind of a hunt you want it for , I have 2 Browning A-bolts in a .270 WSM and I could tell you that my regular A-bolt hunter can kick my arm off after 10 shots ..
I finally can enjoy shooting a .270 WSM but on a much heavier Rifle , I purchased the Browning Eclipse with a 26" Bull barrel @ 11 pounds w/o a scope and 14 lbs with a 4x16x50 scope on it I barely feel the kick , but one problem that you will get with a bulky casing , don't expect to quickly just throw in a bullet without putting it in the mag , on both of my WSM's Bolt won't cycle for a quick follow up shot , maybe its a Browning thing ..

One question for you ! do you really need a Magnum ??
I found and bought a Browning A-bolt with a .35 Whelen caliber stainless steel 22" Shilin barrel , I shoot 225 grain Bullets and I'm good ti'll 400 yards with only a 22" drop if zeroed at 200 , I get 3800 lbs of energy at muzzle , and 1800 lbs at 400 and there is NO KICK what so ever , its based on a 30-06 casing ...

[diamonddave]

Looks like I missed an entertaining thread!!:argue2:

[catnthehat]

Looks like I missed an entertaining thread!!:argue2:
:sHa_sarcasticlol:
You have no idea!!
Cat

[Marlin xl7]

:argue2::argue2::sHa_shakeshout:

[bear crossing]

personel opinion.i would'nt buy either. i would opt for the venerable30/06 reason being bullet wts 55gr to 220 . maybe you have headed out to hunt .oops forgot your shells you can bet every little country store or service station will have some kind of shell for you. but thats just my thoughts .

[u_cant_rope_the_wind]

get this one inexpensive ammo too

[Gunny]

I have had all the 300 cals and I would have to pic the 300 win mag do to the fact its cheaper then the rest easy to find I know you can get blue box feds for I think less then $25 in 180gr at wholesale sports thats all I ran with when I was just buying then then when my friend did my reloads I did a 180gr hollow point boat tail and thats one of the best rounds you can make at 600yds I can do a 2 inch 10 round grouping on a bad day now keep in mind I was in the Canadian Army as a weapons tec and have some of the trainning that the snipers have

fast way to be a better shot learn to do breathing, just holding your rifle for more then 5 mins at a time on target it will build your strangth and help you not to move so much when you go to shoot, get a good bi-pod that you have to spend money on, always get a scope that is the same price if not more then your rifle is I go with leupold because I have used lots of them and trust them but for a good cheap scope I get a bushnell

[300-510]

I would have to agree with gunny,I like all 300s pretty well but I personally like the win. mag. The ammo selection is tremendous, very cheap for the performance your getting. A box of hornady 150 sf for 41.00 two more dollars180s or 57.00 for 200gr. tbbcs. and thats athabasca prices.

[Okotokian]

Listen up, go try to B.S. some other wannnabes that will swallow that crap, it ain't cuttin' it here.
Cat

LOL You can't get the Cat upset by talking stupid smack about immigration, Quebec, Liberals, the UN, gun laws, almost anything. Cool as a cucumber.... But start BSing about calibers and he's all over that! ;) And Roger might come out of the woodwork too to land a couple extra shots! LOL

[MattSako]

the .284 Firebird start to be my all around caliber.... my god the accuracy out of this rifle... outstanding....

Here a small ballistic table..

http://i53.tinypic.com/ht6ur5.jpg

[DOGFISH]

which caliber 300rum or 300wsm,been told i won't like the recoil of the rum just starting to do some research wondered what everyone else thought

Without knowing what game you are going after I would have to say neither as well.

[catnthehat]

I have different friends who use both for everything they hunt , deer, bear, and moose.
Cat