Thoughts on this load

[Arn?Narn.]

Barnes 140 gr TSX, with 50 gr of Varget for 3050 fps
7mm-08

:thinking-006: :budo:

[Elkaholic6]

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[Arn?Narn.]

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If shes as hot as the load, we might have something to talk about! :)

[whitetailhntr]

hey Mike how bout 58 gr of 4831 with a a140 gr tsx doin 3150 fps in a .280 ai....Ya it's a Cooper.:sHa_shakeshout:

[Arn?Narn.]

8 grains of powder for 100 fps,...are you mad !!!!!!


LOL

[NBFK]

How longs your barrel to achieve that? Is that an estimated velocity? I think I'm only getting 2800 fps with 22 inch pipe on mine. 46 grains of IMR 4350.

[elkhunter11]

3050fps with a 140gr TSX is very ambitious for a 7mm-08, unless you have a 28" barrel. That is right around the velocity that co-workers are getting with their 280rems with 24" barrels.

[Twisted Canuck]

Sounds like a pretty 'warm' load there Mike....I'll be curious how this pans out.

[JJ-65]

I'am thinking that this ain't going to end well. But experiance is what you gain when things go for sh!t.:sign0161:

[Dick284]

50 gr. of Varget....Hmm where did you get that load from?

From any manuals I've got on hand your 6 to 8 grains over max.

I'd say your likely going to run into pressure issues with the load you indicate.

[Traps]

Take a set of verniers to the fired and unfired brass. How is ejection and did you try rechambering the spent round?

[Lefty-Canuck]

I know those TSX have less bearing surface...but did you moly them AND grease the barrel? :)

Lefty

[spurly]

Will the 7-08 case even hold 50gr of varget.

[boomstick]

wow i think this how the BIG BANG theory got started . 140gr. searra, 42.5 grn of 4064 gives me 2980fps. in a 24inch barrel . let me know how the new load ya found works or , how far the bolt flew.

[Dean2]

Thoughts on this Load. Barnes 140 gr TSX, with 50 gr of Varget for 3050 fps
7mm-08

:thinking-006: :budo:

My thoughts are, you have been posting on here a long time, you aught to know better. 50 grains of Varget is a heavily compressed load in a 308 with 130 grain bullets. In a 7-08 it is 8 grains and 200 fps over max load, and with a 140 TSX I doubt you could compress it enough to get the bullet properly seated. Let us know where you plan to try those so none of us are in the blast zone.

[Arn?Narn.]

Just showing someloads that guys claim are working for them (:scared:)

that's all..

again, what do you think of these loads...they guys are using factory rifles as well....



Barnes TSX
BulletWeight 140 grs
Powder Hodgdon H414
PowderWeight 50 grs
Primer Federal GM 210M
Brass Make Remington
Barrel Length 22 (inches)
C.O.L 2.8 (inches)
Velocity 3040 fps
Group 0.75 (inches by 3 shot at 100 yds)
Submitted Date 1/16/2006 4:01:00 AM
Submitted By R. Smith
Gun Info Remington 700 stainless mtn.rifle
Comment
FPS 3040
Energy 2867 ft-lbs
TKO 16.72
OGW 826 lbs
IPSC PF 425.6


Barnes TSX
BulletWeight 120 grs
Powder Hodgdon Varget
PowderWeight 49 grs
Primer Winchester LR
Brass Make Winchester
Barrel Length 22.5 (inches)
C.O.L 2.748 (inches)
Velocity 3247 fps
Group (inches by 3 shot at 100 yds)
Submitted Date 6/16/2005 4:06:00 AM
Submitted By Jim Curns
Gun Info Tikka T-3 light stainless
Comment full case, warm load, flat shooter, I had no pressure signs
FPS 3250
Energy 2803 ft-lbs
TKO 15.31
OGW 739 lbs
IPSC PF 389.64

[elkhunter11]

I would be leery of any 7mm-08 load using a 140gr bullet, where the velocity exceeds 2900fps in a 24" or shorter barrel. I would feel the same way about loads using a 120gr bullet that supposedly exceed 3100fps. I have been to several sites where people post their loads, and I have seen many loads that I would never attempt to use in any of my rifles. Some people do use loads where they have to scrap the brass after only one or two firings, because the primer pockets won't hold a primer anymore, but I value my safety, and my guns far too much to take part in such practices.

[boomstick]

the load i posted elkhunter11 came from the speer manual i think (i would have to ask my freind ) but it is right beside the hornady light mags in 139sst that i was buying. they claimed 3000 fps but over the crhony i got 2960fps. my rem700 liked them alot so i use this load which is a close match and gives me the same results. also i would never recommend just pluckin a load off the net with out looking in the book for it first and working up to check for pressure signs or case damage, always remember safety first.

[elkhunter11]

the load i posted elkhunter11 came from the speer manual i think (i would have to ask my freind ) but it is right beside the hornady light mags in 139sst that i was buying.

Hornady is claiming 2950fps for their 139gr Superformance load, which is basically a renamed Light Magnum load. The fact that you are exceeding the velocity of the Superformance/Light Magnum load, really makes me leery about your load.

[Lefty-Canuck]

IMHO I certainly wouldn't start the load where these fellas ended up.

Another thing is these loads were published several years ago, I would check the obituaries from near when these were published to see if these guys are still around to tell you how hot these loads are :)

On a serious note: I run a few hot loads in a couple of rifles I reload for, but I worked em up gradually. Also NONE of them are near compressed or 6-8 whole grains over max.

Wow! I just reread the load postings, I think the 140 gr load could be a typo and should not be followed.

Load 1: 140gr bullet, 50gr of powder (no indication of hot load)

Load 2: 120gr bullet, 49gr of power (he indicates "warm" load)

To put in another whole grain of power in with a larger bullet would be a VERY BAD idea........

Lefty

[Arn?Narn.]

but it;s on the internet, and not only that,..these are so called "verified" loads.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Well my friend, it seems that you are heck-bent on trying this out, so have at er....

.....but you can't believe what you read on the internet and unless you know these guys and witnessed these round being fired from their rifles. OR worked these loads up in YOUR rifle slowly but surely I would not consider them "VERIFIED"

you asked what we though and here is what I think, no way in hell would I be pulling the trigger on those.....sounds like you need to buy a .270 win/WSM/WBY cause the gun you are shooting will not safely acheive the velocities you are wanting to squeeze out of it.

I can get 3180fps out of my .270win with a 130gr bullet and this is a MAX load....

Lefty

[Lefty-Canuck]

Ok, after going over my load data, in your original post you list 50gr of VARGET, this is a well over max load (my data confirms 41.5 as MAX).

Now if you made a typo on the Varget as the power and meant to put in H414(as per the load you listed later on) then that is just over max, (my data puts MAX at 49.9gr of H414 NOT varget)

So you have to clear up the original post....what did you mean H414 or
Varget?

The max load of H414 still only gives ~2900fps and this is in a 24inch 1 in 9 twist barrel according to my data.

Lefty

[whitetail Junkie]

but it;s on the internet, and not only that,..these are so called "verified" loads.

:)

[Arn?Narn.]

:)

:)

[Arn?Narn.]

I currently load 120 TSX's with 44.5 Varget
I load 140 TSX's with 38.5 RL 19
and 100 gr Sierra HP's with 45.5 gr Varget

[Traps]

The load data on this website is what your refering to:

http://www.reloadersnest.com/detail.asp?CaliberID=43&Bullet=Barnes+TSX&LoadID=11089

There are quite a few above safe loads developed on this website.

For anyone referencing this website - always follow reputable sources (in this case Barnes). Hot loads posted on this website are produced by many guys with varying levels of experience in an uncontrolled enviroment.

[Ormachek]

Well my friend, it seems that you are heck-bent on trying this out, so have at er....

.....but you can't believe what you read on the internet and unless you know these guys and witnessed these round being fired from their rifles. OR worked these loads up in YOUR rifle slowly but surely I would not consider them "VERIFIED"

you asked what we though and here is what I think, no way in hell would I be pulling the trigger on those.....sounds like you need to buy a .270 win/WSM/WBY cause the gun you are shooting will not safely acheive the velocities you are wanting to squeeze out of it.

I can get 3180fps out of my .270win with a 130gr bullet and this is a MAX load....

Lefty

Pssstttt....Arn?Narn.'s posts might be a tad sarcastic.....

[Lefty-Canuck]

Yah lol. I am fairly new here and I can usually pick out a troll.....I'll chalk this one up to being new...thats what I get for trying to help a guy out and give him an honest answer.

Lefty

[boomstick]

ya elkhunter11 the old hornady light mags were 3000 , when they changed tto the superperformacne i did notice it dropped alittle. i have seen no difference with this load.

[Thunder/FX]

Hot hot hot

[32-40win]

well. they do have 10 times the population, and about 10 times the number of wingnuts we have,so, it is proportional.
Bet he couldn't seat a boattail without removing the boattail, either.

[wwbirds]

I know you were just throwing this out there for comments but I never give details on a load except the kind of powder not the charge since what performs well in my rifle may blow yours.
I look at it from a liability standpoint for some new reloaders that don't know any better could go right to max charge without thinking or knowing the consequences.
Listing this charge here could have the same sorry end.

I can see it now "Arn quoted this charge on AO"

[sikwhiskey]

Barnes 140 gr TSX, with 50 gr of Varget for 3050 fps
7mm-08

:thinking-006: :budo:

Start low and work up! IMO stupid. An over load right near my only set of eyes, and face??

[Traps]

I know you were just throwing this out there for comments but I never give details on a load except the kind of powder not the charge since what performs well in my rifle may blow yours.
I look at it from a liability standpoint for some new reloaders that don't know any better could go right to max charge without thinking or knowing the consequences.
Listing this charge here could have the same sorry end.

I can see it now "Arn quoted this charge on AO"

Well said WW.

Sarcasm rarely works in a thread or an email. Try sending sarcasm in an email to business associates that you don't know and the end result is you end up looking like a bonehead. Ask me I did it a few times and it doesn't work.