Calgary River Ban

[FishingMOM]

I believe the fine is about $2500.00


In Calgary, the fire department has Banned all activity on the Elbow and Bow rivers. Under the activated city bylaw "any and all activities near or on the water are restricted until further notice."

Cold river water – running fast and laden with debris – continues to rush through Calgary in the wake of last weeks' rain.

"The intent of the ban is to educate and drive home the dangers [for] people that would basically ignore the warning and danger signs and attempt to enjoy the sunshine," said spokesman Don Huska.

Nevertheless, fire fighters were kept busy Sunday getting people off the water.

"It is frustrating," said Huska. "Not only that they're putting themselves in danger, they're also endangering all the rescuers that have to attend, and also depleting the resources that are being dispatched to the call."

Depending on the weather and water levels in the rivers, the ban could continue for the rest of the week.

[32-40win]

There was a fella in a kayak going thru the new weir area on Friday aft, there are definitely a couple of spots in that area to stay out of.

[Scott N]

I was just listening to the radio and on the news they said that anyone who gets a ticket also gets an automatic appearance before a judge so that the amount of the fine could be set. I wonder if the "idot factor" comes into play when the fine amount is decided?

[AB2506]

It's an old Bylaw. No specified penalties listed, so an officer must make it a mandatory court appearnace. Upon conviction/guilty plea, a judge may assess a penalty up to $2500.

[Sushi]

Can the bylaws be applied to Fish Creek? It was raging over the weekend and looked like a neat time to try kayaking (not for me though, I don't have a kayak)...just curious.

[Kokanee9]

In Calgary, the fire department has Banned all activity on the Elbow and Bow rivers. Under the activated city bylaw "any and all activities near or on the water are restricted until further notice."

Nevertheless, fire fighters were kept busy Sunday getting people off the water.



......any and all activities........restricted...
Could include a lot of other stuff, not only being on the water. Does anyone have a link to the actual bylaw?


........getting people off the water. Unbelievable that people would still go on the water. Just having a look at the water should be enough to keep people off.

[Shaggy]

Yesterday when we were driving SB on Deerfoot, I saw 5 kayakers playing around at the weir. Crazy guys.
And I also saw some construction workers working on the river bank under the 10th street bridge. They were on a path about 3 feet wide. One stumble and they would have been swimming.

[Photoplex]

Can we get a link to your source article please FishingMom?

Does this include fishing from the bank? (what's left of it!)

[aulrich]

One of the selling points of the new "wier" system was that it was to be used for white water kayaking and now that the water is well into the fun zone they go and shut it down.

The bubble wrappers strike again.

[FishingMOM]

Can we get a link to your source article please FishingMom?

Does this include fishing from the bank? (what's left of it!)

YES IT INCLUDES FISHING
http://newsroom.calgary.ca/pr/calgary/enforcement-of-bylaw-for-elbow-204334.aspx?link_page_rss=204334

Activity ban issued for Elbow and Bow rivers
M. Jeremy May 28, 2011 23:22:20 PM

The Calgary Fire Department has issued an activity and perimeter ban for both the Elbow and Bow rivers effective immediately, due to the extremely unsafe conditions.

High water levels have increased flow rates and debris, and are a public safety concern.

The fire department's Brian McAsey tells 660News, Calgarians are advised that the rivers are currently unsafe for any type of activity.

The perimeter ban, issued in the name of safety and under the authority of the City of Calgary Bylaw 37M84, means that any and all activities near or on the water are restricted until further notice.

The bylaw will be strictly enforced.

[FishingMOM]

Be interesting how many people actually get charged.

[Photoplex]

Be interesting how many people actually get charged.

For sure. Have they done this before?

[Daceminnow]

cfrn news is just reporting there is a rescue under way right now on the elbow where it dumps into the bow. looks like one person is receiving cpr and they have not recovered the other. there's obvious reasons people are being told to stay away from the water right now. it's a shame people don't seem to understand the danger and stay away.

[Photoplex]

cfrn news is just reporting there is a rescue under way right now on the elbow where it dumps into the bow. looks like one person is receiving cpr and they have not recovered the other. there's obvious reasons people are being told to stay away from the water right now. it's a shame people don't seem to understand the danger and stay away.

I saw the FD rescue boat screaming along towed behind an FD truck twice on McLeod yesterday.

[chubbdarter]

i saw some tubers on the oldman yesterday.....they went by really fast. was fun sledding.

[FishingMOM]

2 possibly 3 in the water.
One rushed to hospital......

[Photoplex]

cfrn news is just reporting there is a rescue under way right now on the elbow where it dumps into the bow. looks like one person is receiving cpr and they have not recovered the other. there's obvious reasons people are being told to stay away from the water right now. it's a shame people don't seem to understand the danger and stay away.

2 possibly 3 in the water.
One rushed to hospital......

Do they know what they were doing when they got into trouble? Rafting? Wading?

[chubbdarter]

i have a question
A person can see the condition the water is in
Who is this tempoary law directed to?

[FishingMOM]

1 rescued - rushed to hospital.


Now in recovery mode.
Looking for 1 more according to global news.

[Daceminnow]

sounds like they've called off the search for the other person for the night. sad. the water is wicked and unforgiving right now no doubt.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2011/05/30/man-critical-after-being-pulled-from-elbow-river

[Lefty-Canuck]

Not sure the circumstances are but if it was a foolish mistake..... apparently Darwin was onto something........

Lefty

[FishingMOM]

http://www.globaltvcalgary.com/video/index.html?releasePID=V_YVG3f1eW1lqzWC0UYXwhwb_myg CyBz

[jriad]

Thats what happens when you combine alcoholics and general meatheadism. Brutal. Stay safe everyone.

[marlin1]

YES IT INCLUDES FISHING
http://newsroom.calgary.ca/pr/calgary/enforcement-of-bylaw-for-elbow-204334.aspx?link_page_rss=204334

Activity ban issued for Elbow and Bow rivers
M. Jeremy May 28, 2011 23:22:20 PM

The Calgary Fire Department has issued an activity and perimeter ban for both the Elbow and Bow rivers effective immediately, due to the extremely unsafe conditions.

High water levels have increased flow rates and debris, and are a public safety concern.

The fire department's Brian McAsey tells 660News, Calgarians are advised that the rivers are currently unsafe for any type of activity.

The perimeter ban, issued in the name of safety and under the authority of the City of Calgary Bylaw 37M84, means that any and all activities near or on the water are restricted until further notice.

The bylaw will be strictly enforced.

I guess the guys launching thier raft at Bearspaw on Sunday missed the warning . BC plates on the truck , I wasn't aware of the ban at the time . Just common sense and looking at the raging flow up there would make me think twice agout launching an inflatable into that river :rolleye2:

[jriad]

So is the Ban still on? If they want people to abide they should really make this info easier to obtain.

[Toirtis]

So far, it is still in effect, but for updates...

You can look here:

http://newsroom.calgary.ca/pr/calgary/news.aspx?ncid=17192

Or call the FD office at: 403-264-1022

[BlackHeart]

Well this is idiotic for many reasons.

First, do we need MOMMA watching out for us and changing our diapers?

Secondly, were is the opportunity for the darwin effect to take place....because lets be realistic.....if your that stupid that you jump into a float tube in dangerous water, then do we really want this person driving on the roads or eventually raising or just having children. And where is the opportunity for those taking the risk to sort out just how resourceful they are when they get into trouble....and learn some hard lessons or close call lessons.

Third, have you ever seen the water/rapids that those in kayaks and jetboats can navigate safely......so because they are afraid of a few frat boys needing to be rescued, all people are limited by the fears. Pretty simple...if you do something stupid and need to be rescued because of it, then you pay the costs and a fine......the less money the stupid have the better...pretty hard to get into trouble when you can afford any beer.

Forth, just because someone else is stupid and needs rules to protect them from their own actions, we all have our freedoms and choices take away from us???? (reminds me of the gun registry thinking that it will stop the polytech type of shootings). Before you know it we will all have to wear a helmet on all the time so we don't bump our heads into a doorway or tree.....let it happen....some heads need some good bumps.

Fifth, just who does the Calgary city/bylaw/etc think they are by dictating a reactionary/fear based law on the spur of the moment that stomps all over personal freedoms and rights....specifically my common law right to travel navigatiable waters unimpeded.....I not a law expert but I doubt that if challenged, any charge would stand up long term in court....thats why you appear before the judge....but it still does give them gestapo like authority for the time being.

Sixth, just where do you think this type of thinking will take us as a society.....not that much of a stretch to forsee that climbing mountains and trying to reach the north pole will be illegal.......and eventually anything that may cause the emergency services from doing the job that they have been organized and paid to do, will be illegal......so taken further, eventually forget quading and snowmobiling and skiing and snowboarding and swimming....cause you might just drown or need a rescue.

Finally, how hard would it be to implement a system that, if you need a rescue, that is what gets you in front of the judge to access whether your actions and the resultant rescue was wreckless indangerment to your self and wasteful of rescue resources. So if you get in trouble with your well planned thought out adventure, no problem....if you acted like a complete moron, lets take some of that fun money away from you so that you can sit in your momma basement surfing porn instead of being involved in society.

[DarkAisling]

Can we get a link to your source article please FishingMom?

Does this include fishing from the bank? (what's left of it!)

Travel outside the city limits for now. Policeman's Flats might still be inside city limits, but McKinnon is outside.

I'm not sure far away you have to be from the river, but you can't be on the bank.

I'm surprised about all of the fuss about the river right now. It gets a lot higher and faster without being closed.

[Gust]

Travel outside the city limits for now. Policeman's Flats might still be inside city limits, but McKinnon is outside.

I'm not sure far away you have to be from the river, but you can't be on the bank.

I'm surprised about all of the fuss about the river right now. It gets a lot higher and faster without being closed.

I think it's more a debris issue.

And blackheart has many valid points,, I mean icefishing is a seriously dangerous sport early and late in the ice season,,, anyhoo, lakes for now.

[tacklerunner]

Lots of good points by BlackHeart. What about the people who ski and board out of the allowed boundries, snowmobilers riding in high risk of avalanche conditions, kids pulling each other on tubes in the Shuswap and Okanagan and Sylvan at 50 MPH with no life jackets or spotters, hikers who go their own way and go missing........................................... ...........

An accident is an accident but dumb risks that result in rescues should end up in court to recover rescue costs.

More people die falling down stairs than into the Bow. Them's the breaks IMO.

[Deb]

I understand BlackHeart's point of view, but shouldn't the health, safety and lives of the folks who have the arduous task of rescue and recovery also be considered?

http://www.calgaryherald.com/business/energy-resources/Water+rescues+easily+take+dire+turn/4884209/story.html

[huntsfurfish]

I understand BlackHeart's point of view, but shouldn't the health, safety and lives of the folks who have the arduous task of rescue and recovery also be considered?

http://www.calgaryherald.com/business/energy-resources/Water+rescues+easily+take+dire+turn/4884209/story.html

Yup/agree

[BlackHeart]

[LEFT]I understand BlackHeart's point of view, but shouldn't the health, safety and lives of the folks who have the arduous task of rescue and recovery also be considered?

Not sure I can respond with the right words concepts...but I will try.

Your comment is sort of like having all your fireman afraid of fires.

Training, equipment, practice, knowledge of techniques, and THAT IS THEIR JOB, is what I am thinking of.

Risk is inherent in anything we do.....even icefishing or laying in the sun.

If we all stayed safe, their would be no need for them and the training....pretty boring being a fireman paid to play floor hockey only.

[chubbdarter]

I believe all emergency personel are trained to respond to Accidents and minimize loss the best they can.
I also believe its not anyones job to risk their lives for fooktards . If your warned not to do something and still do it....is it still a accident?

just my opinion

[horsetrader]

I believe all emergency personel are trained to respond to Accidents and minimize loss the best they can.
I also believe its not anyones job to risk their lives for fooktards . If your warned not to do something and still do it....is it still a accident?

just my opinion

no it's not an accident it's an ASSident

[FishingMOM]

The city is reminding people that all waterways are closed. Including the resevoir.

Body of female found in the glenmore.

[Toirtis]

The city is reminding people that all waterways are closed. Including the resevoir.

Body of female found in the glenmore.

Combine that with rain forecast for the next 3-5 days, and I do not see the ban being lifted any time before the 12th.

[shorty_j]

While I might not have worded it the same way, Blackheart makes a lot of good points. I understand that the rivers are dangerous right now, if you don't know what you're doing, but I don't think the city knows enough about me and my river skills to know that I can't handle myself on the cities rivers.

Some people actually want the rivers to run high and that's exactly when they want to be on those rivers, and I don't understand where the city gets off telling them they can't do this. They are reacting to the actions of some people without enough knowledge to keep themselves safe in and around the rivers and painting all of with the same brush of assumptions. If they were truly interested in education about safety, for the same amount of money and effort they could be providing information about the state of the rivers (possibly along with a mention that the rivers are too dangerous for them to conduct rescue efforts) rather than banning all river travel and fining people for "violating" that ban.

I respect the Calgary Fire Department (I have two friends on the force), but I feel like this ban is an over-reaction, and blanket reactions like this don't serve the citizens of Calgary the way the FD thinks it should. For instance, the Elbow is still much higher than normal right now, but it is WELL below what it was last week. And even more informative, the levels on the Bow are actually within normal variation of water levels. Fish Creek is also back down to normal range.

http://environment.alberta.ca/apps/basins/DisplayData.aspx?Type=Figure&BasinID=8&DataType=1&StationID=RELBGLEN
http://environment.alberta.ca/apps/basins/DisplayData.aspx?Type=Figure&BasinID=8&DataType=1&StationID=RBOWCALG
http://environment.alberta.ca/apps/basins/DisplayData.aspx?Type=Figure&BasinID=8&DataType=1&StationID=RFISHPRI

A blanket ban on all rivers seems to be not very well thought out, and a potentially negative side-effect of this is that anyone who is interested in travelling on these rivers can deduce this information for themselves just by looking at the river, and that person may not heed warnings in the future in situations that are possibly more dangerous.

It is my opinion that bans like this, which are becoming more common in Alberta (for example, liquor bans at campgrounds on long weekends), are a concerning trend regarding our personal freedoms. There is an alarming pattern of people telling me what I can't do before I've even demonstrated that I will cause a problem, and if this pattern continues I will become more concerned about what kind of restrictions on my choices will be made by people other than me. I'm all for safety and education, but it doesn't have to go this far.

I also looked into the bylaw under which the FD is allowed to make this ban, and I had it emailed to me in pdf format. I don't have an internet link to post, but if anyone is interested in reading it, pm me and I will gladly email it to you.

[Urban Nightmare]

I agree with you for the most part. I like camping. I enjoy a single (one not a dozen) beer while grilling the steaks while camping. The problem is that to many people have gotten them selves in to trouble either drinking to much or going out on the river where they don't have the experience. There is not a test out there to know who is qualified and who isn't. And yes you usually can only get the experience by doing, I understand that. What it comes down to is the police and FD don't want to risk their lives for someone else's stupidity. We as a society don't have the will to just say "Your on your own." and let them kill them selves (Won't someone please think of the children). We live in a nanny state. Even the USA is moving this direction whether they like it or not. The "You can't do that" people are louder then the "Its my right" people. The politicians are only doing what we tell them to and once a law is on the books it's almost impossible to take it off. Especially if the general consensus is that it "works".

[shorty_j]

...There is not a test out there to know who is qualified and who isn't. And yes you usually can only get the experience by doing, I understand that. What it comes down to is the police and FD don't want to risk their lives for someone else's stupidity. We as a society don't have the will to just say "Your on your own." and let them kill them selves (Won't someone please think of the children)...

True, but the same justification is not used to tell people they are not allowed to drive on city streets in a really bad snowstorm... just education and a recommendation. I'm sure car accidents in bad weather cause more physical casualties, financial cost, and burden on emergency responders.

I understand what you are trying to say, though.

--------------

On another note, I actually called the Calgary FD and ended up speaking to their public relations guy and had a nice long chat. Basically there are levels at which the Bow and Elbow get closed (270 cms for the Bow, and 60 cms for the Elbow). They didn't re-open them because they're expecting more rain.

I think the ban loses credibility when the don't react to their own guidelines because of what "might" happen next week, and they would be better off removing and applying the ban more frequently as conditions change. I mentioned that to the FD on the phone. He was receptive to some of my points but I'm not sure if anything will come of it.

[Urban Nightmare]

True, but the same justification is not used to tell people they are not allowed to drive on city streets in a really bad snowstorm... just education and a recommendation. I'm sure car accidents in bad weather cause more physical casualties, financial cost, and burden on emergency responders.

I understand what you are trying to say, though.


Give it a bit more time. The biggest reason they haven't yet is because they can't shut down commerce. The oil still needs pumping. An I dare you to tell any of the executives at the major companies down town (in any city) that they have to take public transit! Speaking of which. There isn't enough buses and trains to move that many people when a snow/rain/ice storm is happening. Those are the days I tell my boss I'm working from home, then roll over and get another couple of hours:)

[GaryF]

For those of you that are educated in river safety and have common sense, yes the ban is an intrusion on your rights. But for Joe Q stupid public, which makes up about 98% of the population, its needed. I work in construction and did a project for shell canada last year upgrading thier gas stations for an energy saving project. Big signs and lots of red danger tape, and ppl would still ignore it all and just walk into danger. I didn't realize how blatently stupid humans are until I did that work. The ban isn't there to trampel on your rights, but to keep the other 98% of ppl, hopefully, away from danger.

[southernman]

I used to do a lot of whitewater kayaking, got to be very good at it, ran rivers and waterfalls and flooded rivers few others would. When I started out I had very little respect for the power of water in its relentless persuit for the sea. That quickley changed.
Do you realise that a skilled kayaker can run white water no other craft can, including rescue and jet boats.
I ended up working as kayak rescue for several rafting companys. that was an eye opener,
I feel that the nanny state keeping everyone safe, will in the long run bring about more and more idiots, more rescues as fewer people will be able to take a caulated risk.
If kids don't learn the pain from the small mistakes (ie climbing up the slide and Falling of bashing face, falling out of a tree cause it wasn't strong enough, They are removing trees and playgrounds from some schools now.) How in the heck will they know what is risky when they start driving, climbing, river and lake outdoor activies.

[shorty_j]

I feel that the nanny state keeping everyone safe, will in the long run bring about more and more idiots, more rescues as fewer people will be able to take a caulated risk.

I completely agree with this. The more the state makes these decisions for us in the form of bans, the less able we are as a society to actually use our own brains to make intelligent choices.

This is the kind of thing that leads people to sue a group because that group failed to protect them from themselves (rather than the individual taking responsibility for educating and preparing themselves). We are opening a can of worms.

[Gust]

Dropped by Carseland on the way back from fishin the other day,, the river was high and fast and smelled like fermented septic tank poo (had the great oportunity of rebuilding a tank once),, and by the looks of it, the weir at one point would have only been a couple of feet out of the water.

Boulders as big as minivans were no longer part of the shoreline on sections of the sheep, so my guess is that the rivers where we think we know them are now no more decipherable than the Nile.

Passed the Highwood in a couple of sections yesterday and an hour later at the same spots it appeared higher. The water isn't exactly the type where you'll get to shore quickly and even if you do, you'll be battling a nasty case of Ghardia (<sp?) in other words, your sphincter will take an unexpected holiday while your at the mall seeking out some line dancing cd's in your famous white denims.

[Photoplex]

in other words, your sphincter will take an unexpected holiday while your at the mall seeking out some line dancing cd's in your famous white denims.

:lol:

[Toirtis]

Well, since the ban was effected, the river has dropped about 24cm/9" and 140 cm/s...and despite the provincial flow advisory being rescinded days ago, the ban still stood a couple of hours ago when I called to get an update.

[Gust]

Well, since the ban was effected, the river has dropped about 24cm/9" and 140 cm/s...and despite the provincial flow advisory being rescinded days ago, the ban still stood a couple of hours ago when I called to get an update.

But not siding with the ban (but kinda,, I didn't like the law last week but kinda like it now),, the run off isn't like run offs of back yonder, swift and clear but more like swift Capucino with a fine grating of chocolate for garnish.
Undercuts are still dropping in the river and new embankments aren't firm.

[FishBrain]

But not siding with the ban (but kinda,, I didn't like the law last week but kinda like it now),, the run off isn't like run offs of back yonder, swift and clear but more like swift Capucino with a fine grating of chocolate for garnish.
Undercuts are still dropping in the river and new embankments aren't firm.

and there is a WHACK of people beside the river on the south side of the calf robe bridge. Wonder if they are learning to save the stupid, or if they are learning to NOT be stupid?

[Calgarys_finest]

Out of curiosity can i call any fire department location or should i be calling a specific number?

also what about tributaries?

[Okotokian]

Out of curiosity can i call any fire department location or should i be calling a specific number?

also what about tributaries?

Wouldn't one of Calgary's Finest know the answer to that?

Wait a minute... you never did say finest what. ;) LOL

[shorty_j]

Out of curiosity can i call any fire department location or should i be calling a specific number?

also what about tributaries?

Another thing I found out in my calls to the FD yesterday was that there isn't really a central place where this information is easily checked, and the best way to find out about it is to look at the city of calgary news feed...

http://newsroom.calgary.ca/pr/calgary/news.aspx

The article to institute the perimeter ban is on page 2 from May 28th. The fact that there is no update indicating that the ban has been lifted is supposed to be enough information for us. :rolleyes: Really stupid. The guy I spoke to said when the ban is lifted they will announce it, so you can expect it to be on the news.

You could try calling the FD, but it took me a number of transfered calls to actually put me through to someone who knew the answers to my questions.

[zabbo]

Just leave them alone! Let nature do it's job! :thinking-006:

[Toirtis]

Just leave them alone! Let nature do it's job! :thinking-006:

I tend to agree...we have legislated common sense, thereby side-stepping natural selection.

That aside, you can call the FD main office at 403-264-1022.

[Ruger1022]

One of the selling points of the new "wier" system was that it was to be used for white water kayaking and now that the water is well into the fun zone they go and shut it down.

The bubble wrappers strike again.

Yesterday when we were driving SB on Deerfoot, I saw 5 kayakers playing around at the weir. Crazy guys.
And I also saw some construction workers working on the river bank under the 10th street bridge. They were on a path about 3 feet wide. One stumble and they would have been swimming.

http://watch.discoverychannel.ca/daily-planet/april-2011/daily-planet---april-05-2011/#clip445025

[Daceminnow]

http://watch.discoverychannel.ca/daily-planet/april-2011/daily-planet---april-05-2011/#clip445025


very cool piece on the construction at the weir on the Bow. fish WILL have easier access up river, no doubt. thanks for the link ruger.

Dace

[Ruger1022]

very cool piece on the construction at the weir on the Bow. fish WILL have easier access up river, no doubt. thanks for the link ruger.

Dace

No problem! I am excited for this to be done, for the fishing and the surfing!! I usually have to go to K-Country for surfing but now there will be some in the heart of Calgary!!

Here is somemore info
http://www.parksfdn.com/Weir.htm

http://www.parksfdn.com/picts/Weir%20above.jpg

The right side is a expert side but the left side will be more of a slower go for the leisure rafters.

[ishootbambi]

a few have alluded to it already.......we as a society really need to stop interfering with darwin!

[chubbdarter]

before the suckers used to stack up by the hundreds below that weir, not able to get over it.
A high percentage of browns spawn in the zoo area.
I will be very interested how this development affects the brown trout population

[marlin1]

the river ban has been lifted , according to last night's news

[FishingMOM]

Fire Department have told people to stay away from the elbow again.

[Photoplex]

Fire Department have told people to stay away from the elbow again.

Have they made it official and legal again, or is it just a friendly warning?

[FishingMOM]

Have they made it official and legal again, or is it just a friendly warning?

Friendly warning at this stage.
http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/calgary/Rivers+rise+soggy+Calgary/4960022/story.html

[fisherjam]

How about The Glenmore reservoir is there still a perimeter ban?

[FishingMOM]

How about The Glenmore reservoir is there still a perimeter ban?

They wont reopen the Glenmore until the snow pack comes out of the mountains.
So figure end of july

[Toirtis]

They wont reopen the Glenmore until the snow pack comes out of the mountains.
So figure end of july

Which makes little sense since they have 100% control over the reservoir's levels. From what I saw in the mountains in the past week, snow pack may be 95%+ gone by the first week in July.

[fisherjam]

i Hope they lift it up soon , for a noob angler like me i would love to get some fishing time somewhere close before heading out somewhere. And hope the weather improve in the next couple of days, I have lot's of time to go figh it's just this nasty weather

[Photoplex]

i Hope they lift it up soon , for a noob angler like me i would love to get some fishing time somewhere close before heading out somewhere. And hope the weather improve in the next couple of days, I have lot's of time to go figh it's just this nasty weather

There is no perimeter ban on the Bow river. Just an advisory that it's unsafe.

There is a perimeter ban on the Glenmore reservoir.