Elect motors on CHICKAKOO!!

[Ryancskor]

Just thought I'd say thanks to the twit that called RAP on us yesterday! Instead of just telling us your not allowed to use elec motors out there.I almost had a automatic court date because of you. I'm not a unaprouchable guy you should have just said something!!!! I would have stopped using it as I never knew you were not allowed to use them as I have seen numerous people out there using them. Anyways here is a heads up for anyone who is using a elec motor out there! DONT!!:argue2:

[packhuntr]

LOL Your own fault, not the rest of the province's! And court wasnt where you should have went, why? Have you ever heard of researching and following the rules with ANYTHING you intend to do? Hack your way through the rest of life too?

[Ryancskor]

LOL Your own fault, not the rest of the province's! And court wasnt where you should have went, why? Have you ever heard of researching and following the rules with ANYTHING you intend to do? Hack your way through the rest of life too?

Ur prob right should have looked into it more than just looking for proper signage!! And where should I have gone other than court???

[harrydude]

I am sureit is in thte regs...............

or ask here before you go...............

no one to blame but yourself..............

RAP is doing its job..................

[Kurt505]

Just thought I'd say thanks to the twit that called RAP on us yesterday! Instead of just telling us your not allowed to use elec motors out there.I almost had a automatic court date because of you. I'm not a unaprouchable guy you should have just said something!!!! I would have stopped using it as I never knew you were not allowed to use them as I have seen numerous people out there using them. Anyways here is a heads up for anyone who is using a elec motor out there! DONT!!:argue2:

Lol, don't feel bad. A couple years back I had a hero call RAP on me for using a gas powered motor on hasse. Instead of talking to me about it he thought he'd be sneaky and take my license plate number. When I asked him what he was up to he said there was no gas motors allowed on hasse lake. So I laughed and laughed and offered him my cell phone to call them. He didn't want to use my phone. At least the guy who reported you knew the law you were violating. If there is one sure fire way of making a fool of yourself, I think that reporting legal activity would be right up there.

[Ken07AOVette]

Was it posted at the dock anywhere, or does it say in the regs no powered boats allowed?

[bloopbloob]

True I guess its your own fault, but i've called RAP twice in my whole life, only after telling people what they are doing is illegal and they continue. Try to give fair warning, unless i see something very offensive, then there would be no warning. But sometimes people just slip up, so I give them a chance to correct it.

[Ryancskor]

No wasn't posted by dock anywhere the rap officer said they used to have a sign beside the launch. Checked the regs and couldent even find CHICKAKOO. Looked on I fish Alberta and nothing on there. I know I was in the wrong and am not blaming anyone other than myself.

[Ryancskor]

True I guess its your own fault, but i've called RAP twice in my whole life, only after telling people what they are doing is illegal and they continue. Try to give fair warning, unless i see something very offensive, then there would be no warning. But sometimes people just slip up, so I give them a chance to correct it.
That's all it would of took as I don't like breaking the rules! Would have just turned it off and not used it!

[Lefty-Canuck]

Just thought I'd say thanks to the twit that called RAP on us yesterday! Instead of just telling us your not allowed to use elec motors out there.I almost had a automatic court date because of you "THIS SHOULD READ....because of ME". I'm not a unaprouchable guy you should have just said something!!!! How do they know? alot of people who are approached about breaking the rules become defensive and ornary about being told what to do I would have stopped using it as I never knew you were not allowed to use them as I have seen numerous people out there using them. Anyways here is a heads up for anyone who is using a elec motor out there! DONT!!:argue2:

How are F&W going to write any tickets if the guys calling it in tell you what you are doing is wrong? :) If YOU knew the rules YOU would have averted any issues....ignorance to the laws isn't a defence....

Just take it as a good heads up to read and understand the regs.....by the sounds of it you didn't get a ticket and no harm other than your pride was done.

LC

[Ken07AOVette]

No wasn't posted by dock anywhere the rap officer said they used to have a sign beside the launch. Checked the regs and couldent even find CHICKAKOO. Looked on I fish Alberta and nothing on there. I know I was in the wrong and am not blaming anyone other than myself.

You know you were in the wrong how? Not posted, not in regs to me means it is not illegal and therefore not enforceable. If 5 guys in here say it is illegal, that is just hearsay, even the LEO may be going on assumption.

This one is not real clear to me yet.

[Ryancskor]

Your right and will do more extensive research on every lake I fish at in the future!

[Lefty-Canuck]

You know you were in the wrong how? Not posted, not in regs to me means it is not illegal and therefore not enforceable. If 5 guys in here say it is illegal, that is just hearsay, even the LEO may be going on assumption.

This one is not real clear to me yet.

Good point Ken....I have never fished Chickakoo myself and I don't know the regs for it...I guess if I was planning on it I would check the regs and if there was not signage and nothing in the reg book, then anyone could make the mistake.

To the OP, did the F&W Officer show you where it states not to use a elec motor? Otherwise IMHO, they would not be able to enforce the law if there is no signage and no where in the regs stating no using the electric motor....due diligence could apply as a defence if you went to court....

LC

[Ken07AOVette]

http://www.onoway.com/siteengine/activepage.asp?PageID=103

'please refrain from using gasoline motors or stay under 12km/h

Then under that says no motors allowed


If you search enough on google, and type in the correct search phrase there is a slight chance you may find out what is allowed or prohibited on this lake....


I would tell him you don't have a computer if he had written you up :)

[Ryancskor]

Lol no F&w was cool, he took me over to a 8x10 sign and showed me a 1cmx1cm square that showed oars only. The sign was very far away from the launch. So I guess it is posted you just have to really look. I never thought much of it as I have seen alot of people using them out there. They should just have it marked alot better. Oh well lesson learned!

[ssyd]

Heh I was down at Chickakoo yesterday. I remember you guys. I didn't think anything of it as you guys trolled back and forth. I've never seen any signage about it there, the regs don't list it (although they don't usually) and my Barry Mitchell guide says, "Boat launch at east end. Electric motors only."

I'm assuming it's not in the regs because they're local regulations and not directly related to conservation.

[mudbug]

Was the fishing at least good? :)

[Doc]

http://www.onoway.com/siteengine/activepage.asp?PageID=103

'please refrain from using gasoline motors or stay under 12km/h

Then under that says no motors allowed


If you search enough on google, and type in the correct search phrase there is a slight chance you may find out what is allowed or prohibited on this lake....


I would tell him you don't have a computer if he had written you up :)

I wouldn't go by that link. According to that write-up, no motors are allowed on Muir. Not true, although it's a good idea.

[jungleboy]

hmm I've been on Chickakoo with an electric lots of times , never knew it was not allowed.
Thanks for the heads up.
Now why they wouldn't allow electrics on that swamp is beyond me, but them's the rules I guess

[MathewsArcher]

Complete list here.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2008-120/page-9.html?term=chick


Check other schedules for lakes with partial bans etc. Other schedules can be accessed at the bottom of the page. Waterbodies generally fall under Federal Jurisdiction not provincial.

[Ryancskor]

Was it posted at the dock anywhere, or does it say in the regs no powered boats allowed?

hmm I've been on Chickakoo with an electric lots of times , never knew it was not allowed.
Thanks for the heads up.
Now why they wouldn't allow electrics on that swamp is beyond me, but them's the rules I guess

Lol!!! Don't understand why myself. Only that it's small and more than two guys trolling it would get rediculas out there lol.

[GaryF]

Read that schedule that was posted, chickakoo is electric only. Schedule 3 is for waters that power driven vessels are banned. Thats the gas powered motors, not electric. The guy the called rap on you and the LEO were both wrong. Use the electric to your hearts content. I know I will when I head up there.

[MathewsArcher]

“power-driven” means a mode of propulsion provided by a main propelling machinery that is an internal combustion engine or a steam engine. (propulsion mécanique)

Thats what it looks like. Electric should be ok by their definitions.

[YeeHaw]

I have used my electric on Chicacoo as well, one I was checked by the f&w, but they never mentioned the motor on my canoe, I dont get it, what gives?

[maclennanchris]

LOL Your own fault, not the rest of the province's! And court wasnt where you should have went, why? Have you ever heard of researching and following the rules with ANYTHING you intend to do? Hack your way through the rest of life too?


Really??? Your a pretty intense fella. Well I was out there yesterday and seen no signage posted, nothing in the regs either. Have seen many people use electric motors out there also. So what the guy assumed it was ok , and your gonna tell this guy he is a hack. I have fished with this guy tons of times, he follows all the rules to a tee and actually gives a **** about the regs. You are laughable dude. I have meet alot of great people on here who have given great advice and guidance to fellow anglers when something like this happens. You are a moron dude, you get pleasure out of kicking other people around, I can tell. Im sure you will have something smart to say, so what dont you keep it smart when you do.

[missmyhusband]

LOL Your own fault, not the rest of the province's! And court wasnt where you should have went, why? Have you ever heard of researching and following the rules with ANYTHING you intend to do? Hack your way through the rest of life too?

Dang, wish I was as perfect as some.

Glad to see you using spell check now :)

[Willowtrail]

I looked at that big board last fall and it said electric only and I have 2 times. Someone need to post a picture of it.

[packhuntr]

For the ones in attack mode on me now,,, here ya go..

yuk yuk, gee I wish I knew guys, anyone tell me if its rifle season right now, I saw a guy shooting deer in july once, must be ok huh:1041::dork:
Boys how bout, know what your talking about before you go out and f*** up. Its real simple stuff. Pass the buck here pass the buck there, stop band wagon jumping and get your sh*t straight. When will we stop having people out on rampages of fun, and start having slightly knowlegable CARING people LOOKING AFTER the resources. SMARTEN UP, THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ISSUE!! Ive never even seen this lake, it makes no difference. There isnt a game warden alive that needs to tell me the rules, I HAVE HAD TO and WILL NO DOUBT HAVE TO straighten them out again in the future!! Know what your talking about, it will be more fun and everyone else will be better off for it!!

[pophouseman]

Definitions

"power-driven" means a mode of propulsion provided by a main propelling machinery that is an internal combustion engine or a steam engine. ( propulsion mécanique ) "

"electrical propulsion" means a mode of propulsion provided by a main propelling machinery that is an electric motor powered by electric cells. ( propulsion électrique ) "

SCHEDULE 3

(Subsection 2(3))

WATERS ON WHICH POWER-DRIVEN VESSELS ARE PROHIBITED

ALBERTA


Column 1 Column 2 Column 3
Item Name Given by the Gazetteer of Canada or Description Local Name Location Reference Alberta Land Titles Act Reference System)

Southern Region

1. Michelle Reservoir 5-7-3-W4
2. Reesor Lake 20-8-1-W4
3. McQuillan Lake 13-8-19-W4
4. Round Lake 16,17-1,2-W4
5. Beaverdam Lake 1,2-27,28-W4
6. Cochrane Lake 30-4-27-W4
7. Bullshead Reservoir 28,29-8-4-W4
8. Emerald Lake 8-8-5-W5
9. Brooks Aqueduct Pond 15-18-14-W4

Central Region

1. Dobson Reservoir 12-30-8-W4
2. Fyten Reservoir 9-30-24-W4
3. Michichi Reservoir 19-30-18-W4
4. Severn Creek Reservoir 11-26-22-W4
5. Stafford Lake (Brooks Children′s Pond) 4-19-14-W4
6. Tilley A Reservoir 8-18-12-W4
7. Tilley B Reservoir 31-18-12-W4
8. Huber Reservoir 36-37-13-W4
9. Mound Red Reservoir 11-45-28-W4
10. Sardine Lake 32-48-4-W5
11. Twin Lakes 46-3-W5
12. Short Hills (Cran) Pond 2-42-19-W4
13. Windsor Lake 10-42-22-W4
14. Ashland Dam 32-48-4-W5
15. Gooseberry Park Pond 22-36-6-W4
16. Winchell Lake 2-29-5-W5
17. Fish Lake 2-43-10-W4
18. Bigelow Reservoir 34-25-W4
19. Mirror Reservoir 29-40-22-W4
20. Lacombe Lake 52°26′ 113°48′
21. Coronation Reservoir 24-36-11-W4

East Slopes Region

1. Eccles Pond 8-53-24-W5
2. Cache Lake 52-26-W5
3. Donald Lake 4-53-1-W6
4. Emerald Lake 5-62-11-W5
5. Emerson Lakes 52-21-W5
6. Graveyard Lake 52-26-W5
7. Joachim Lakes 18-57-3-W6
8. Kinky Lake 50-26-W5
9. Laura Lake 32-61-11-W5
10. Mary Gregg Lake 48-24-W5
11. À la Pêche Lake 33-55-6-W6
12. Wildhorse Lakes 49-26-W5
13. Millers Lake 8-53-19-W5
14. Sang Lake Surprise Lake 9-53-15-W5
15. Schuman Lake 61-8-W5
16. Margaret Lake 15-28-9-W5
17. Rat Lake 11-38-9-W5
18. Peppers Lake 30-35-12-W5
19. Goldeye Lake 14-40-16-W5
20. Shunda Lake Fish Lake 40-15-W5
21. Tay Lake 6-36-8-W5
22. Phyllis Lake 17-36-7-W5
23. Mitchell Lake 36-37-8-W5
24. Alford Lake 4-36-8-W5
25. Pierre Greys Lakes 6-57-4-W6
26. Open Creek Reservoir 31-42-4-W5
27. Dunn Lake 7-54-25-W5
28. Petite Lake 12-54-26-W5
29. Upper Moose Horn Lake 31-50-1-W6
30. Lower Moose Horn Lake 6-51-1-W6
31. Kia Nea Lake 49-26-W5
32. Peanut Lake 9-55-15-W5
33. Pegasus Lake 61-11-W5
34. Victor Lake 35-56-8-W6
35. Beaver Lake 16-35-6-W5

Northeast Region

1. Black Nugget Mine Pit 2,11-49-18-W4
2. Eden Lake 13-53-2-W5
3. Chickakoo Lake 34-53-1-W5
4. Hubbles Lake 9-53-1-W5
5. Lower Chain Lake 17,18-69-23-W5
6. Sauer Lake 33-53-1-W5
7. Star Lake 20-52-2-W5
8. Mile 18 Lake 18-71-13-W4
9. Hamilton Lake 59-13,14-W4
10. Ashland Dam 20-48-3-W5
11. Shuster Lake 35-43-5-W4

Peace River Region

1. Figure Eight Lake 20-84-25-W5
2. Mirage Lake 79-8-W6
3. Running Lake 34-88-7-W6
4. Spring Lake 23-75-11-W6
5. Stoney Lake 31-86-3-W6
6. Ole Lake 30-84-12-W6
7. Twin Lake 97-22-W5
8. Hilltop Lake 75-7-W6
9. Machaeisis Lake 23,27-107-16-W5
10. Swan Lake 70-25,26-W5


this is a copy of nicemustangs post.

[MathewsArcher]

What you just posted shows that electric motors are allowed...........

[maclennanchris]

For the ones in attack mode on me now,,, here ya go..

yuk yuk, gee I wish I knew guys, anyone tell me if its rifle season right now, I saw a guy shooting deer in july once, must be ok huh:1041::dork:
Boys how bout, know what your talking about before you go out and f*** up. Its real simple stuff. Pass the buck here pass the buck there, stop band wagon jumping and get your sh*t straight. When will we stop having people out on rampages of fun, and start having slightly knowlegable CARING people LOOKING AFTER the resources. SMARTEN UP, THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ISSUE!! Ive never even seen this lake, it makes no difference. There isnt a game warden alive that needs to tell me the rules, I HAVE HAD TO and WILL NO DOUBT HAVE TO straighten them out again in the future!! Know what your talking about, it will be more fun and everyone else will be better off for it!!



Dude you are so smart! What I am trying to say is the guy made a mistake sure. What your saying is he is a hack. I think you probably know everything, so im not here to change your mind or make you think like I do. Im just standing up for my buddy. If you think thats wrong too bad. He is a legit guy 100%, and to judge him in seconds is wrong. So take it for what its worth. Cool if you wanna educate people on here, just have some respect for everyone when your doing it......mmmmmmmmkay

[greylynx]

From the background information I wish this incident happened to me.

If it did happen to me, I would be on the telephone to the Assistant Deputy Minister's Office at 08:20 am tommorow morning describing the incident in a time related sequential manner.

I would also be phoning my MLA.

What happens after that is dependent on what the response from the ADM's office and the MLA's office.

BTW: I have performed this procedure several times.

[harrydude]

there was a question a few posts back............................


how was the fishing?????

[gunman300]

What you just posted shows that electric motors are allowed...........

Yeah that's how I read it too.

[Dust1n]

Definitions

"power-driven" means a mode of propulsion provided by a main propelling machinery that is an internal combustion engine or a steam engine. ( propulsion mécanique ) "

"electrical propulsion" means a mode of propulsion provided by a main propelling machinery that is an electric motor powered by electric cells. ( propulsion électrique ) "

SCHEDULE 3

(Subsection 2(3))

WATERS ON WHICH POWER-DRIVEN VESSELS ARE PROHIBITED

ALBERTA


Column 1 Column 2 Column 3
Item Name Given by the Gazetteer of Canada or Description Local Name Location Reference Alberta Land Titles Act Reference System)

Southern Region

1. Michelle Reservoir 5-7-3-W4
2. Reesor Lake 20-8-1-W4
3. McQuillan Lake 13-8-19-W4
4. Round Lake 16,17-1,2-W4
5. Beaverdam Lake 1,2-27,28-W4
6. Cochrane Lake 30-4-27-W4
7. Bullshead Reservoir 28,29-8-4-W4
8. Emerald Lake 8-8-5-W5
9. Brooks Aqueduct Pond 15-18-14-W4

Central Region

1. Dobson Reservoir 12-30-8-W4
2. Fyten Reservoir 9-30-24-W4
3. Michichi Reservoir 19-30-18-W4
4. Severn Creek Reservoir 11-26-22-W4
5. Stafford Lake (Brooks Children′s Pond) 4-19-14-W4
6. Tilley A Reservoir 8-18-12-W4
7. Tilley B Reservoir 31-18-12-W4
8. Huber Reservoir 36-37-13-W4
9. Mound Red Reservoir 11-45-28-W4
10. Sardine Lake 32-48-4-W5
11. Twin Lakes 46-3-W5
12. Short Hills (Cran) Pond 2-42-19-W4
13. Windsor Lake 10-42-22-W4
14. Ashland Dam 32-48-4-W5
15. Gooseberry Park Pond 22-36-6-W4
16. Winchell Lake 2-29-5-W5
17. Fish Lake 2-43-10-W4
18. Bigelow Reservoir 34-25-W4
19. Mirror Reservoir 29-40-22-W4
20. Lacombe Lake 52°26′ 113°48′
21. Coronation Reservoir 24-36-11-W4

East Slopes Region

1. Eccles Pond 8-53-24-W5
2. Cache Lake 52-26-W5
3. Donald Lake 4-53-1-W6
4. Emerald Lake 5-62-11-W5
5. Emerson Lakes 52-21-W5
6. Graveyard Lake 52-26-W5
7. Joachim Lakes 18-57-3-W6
8. Kinky Lake 50-26-W5
9. Laura Lake 32-61-11-W5
10. Mary Gregg Lake 48-24-W5
11. À la Pêche Lake 33-55-6-W6
12. Wildhorse Lakes 49-26-W5
13. Millers Lake 8-53-19-W5
14. Sang Lake Surprise Lake 9-53-15-W5
15. Schuman Lake 61-8-W5
16. Margaret Lake 15-28-9-W5
17. Rat Lake 11-38-9-W5
18. Peppers Lake 30-35-12-W5
19. Goldeye Lake 14-40-16-W5
20. Shunda Lake Fish Lake 40-15-W5
21. Tay Lake 6-36-8-W5
22. Phyllis Lake 17-36-7-W5
23. Mitchell Lake 36-37-8-W5
24. Alford Lake 4-36-8-W5
25. Pierre Greys Lakes 6-57-4-W6
26. Open Creek Reservoir 31-42-4-W5
27. Dunn Lake 7-54-25-W5
28. Petite Lake 12-54-26-W5
29. Upper Moose Horn Lake 31-50-1-W6
30. Lower Moose Horn Lake 6-51-1-W6
31. Kia Nea Lake 49-26-W5
32. Peanut Lake 9-55-15-W5
33. Pegasus Lake 61-11-W5
34. Victor Lake 35-56-8-W6
35. Beaver Lake 16-35-6-W5

Northeast Region

1. Black Nugget Mine Pit 2,11-49-18-W4
2. Eden Lake 13-53-2-W5
3. Chickakoo Lake 34-53-1-W5
4. Hubbles Lake 9-53-1-W5
5. Lower Chain Lake 17,18-69-23-W5
6. Sauer Lake 33-53-1-W5
7. Star Lake 20-52-2-W5
8. Mile 18 Lake 18-71-13-W4
9. Hamilton Lake 59-13,14-W4
10. Ashland Dam 20-48-3-W5
11. Shuster Lake 35-43-5-W4

Peace River Region

1. Figure Eight Lake 20-84-25-W5
2. Mirage Lake 79-8-W6
3. Running Lake 34-88-7-W6
4. Spring Lake 23-75-11-W6
5. Stoney Lake 31-86-3-W6
6. Ole Lake 30-84-12-W6
7. Twin Lake 97-22-W5
8. Hilltop Lake 75-7-W6
9. Machaeisis Lake 23,27-107-16-W5
10. Swan Lake 70-25,26-W5


this is a copy of nicemustangs post.

PROHIBITED means not allowed

[MathewsArcher]

Schedule 3 only bans power driven vessels (internal combustion or steam) there is another list (schedule 2) that bans power driven and electric, Chickakoo is not on that list.

WATERS ON WHICH POWER-DRIVEN VESSELS ARE PROHIBITED


Take a look Schedule 2

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2008-120/page-8.html

Since its not on that list it wouldn't be prohibited would it?

[Lefty-Canuck]

PROHIBITED means not allowed

Definitions

"power-driven" means a mode of propulsion provided by a main propelling machinery that is an internal combustion engine or a steam engine. ( propulsion mécanique ) "

"electrical propulsion" means a mode of propulsion provided by a main propelling machinery that is an electric motor powered by electric cells. ( propulsion électrique ) "

SCHEDULE 3

(Subsection 2(3))

WATERS ON WHICH POWER-DRIVEN VESSELS ARE PROHIBITED

FH7....I think we understand what prohibited means...(I had to chuckle coming from the guy who didn't know what caucasian meant :)....just poking fun :) )

the question is POWER driven vs ELECTRICAL propulsion....as I read it GAS motors are NOT ALLOWED, but ELECTRIC motors ARE ALLOWED...based on the definitions provided above....if this is the case the guy who called it in and the F&W Officer are incorrect....the printed law would take precident over a sign IMHO.

LC

[Ryancskor]

there was a question a few posts back............................


how was the fishing?????

Fishin was good until I decided to pull my boat out of the water. Lol

[RavYak]

packhuntr... Know what you are talking about instead of trying to be an internet cowboy...

Not only was the op not in the wrong as electrical motors are allowed but it is almost nearly impossible to find that information. I have been to Chickakoo as well and like others above have not noticed the signage even stating no power boats...

Restricting usage on lakes is all fine and dandy but make it obvious with clear signage. Very few users are going to know where to look online etc to find out boating restrictions.

Edit: And since others are still confused, yes according to that website electric motors are allowed on Chickakoo.

[1bluZebec]

I was also there Saturday with my boat just rowing around with my son and my wife. I have been there plenty of times and have never seen a sign near the boat launch or close by the road stating no electric motors. Gas of course shouldn't be used but I would surely think an electric would be fine. Every other small lake is the same. I see people using them all the time there. I think it's fine and if I had one I would use it too. The only thing I don't ever want to see is a small gas motor. Haven't yet and hope I never do. I love Chickakoo and hope everyone continues to keep it the way it is. How do we get a dock put in?

[THEREELMANN]

Barry Mitchells, alberta fishing guide, says electric motors only

[Willowtrail]

I looked at the big board thats just North of the boat launch. It's more for the recreation area than the lake. I was sure it said electric only, not no motor. There is nothing right at the launch area.

Star Lake has a sign on the way down to the parking lot saying no gas motors, Chickakoo needs a little moe TLC.

Can someone who's out there this week take a few pictures of the big board the OP mentioned and post some pics to settle this debate.

[Ken07AOVette]

It was likely some jealous pinhead shore or dock fisher too cheap to buy a boat, just trying to stir up chit.

[Ryancskor]

Lol I'm confused now!

[Ryancskor]

Just got off the phone with F&W. apparently you are allowed to use elec motors on chickakoo!! The officer was awsome told me to rip up my warning and continue useing my electric motor at the lake. told me he was in the wrong for even writing me the warning. Glad to know i wasent in the wrong lol!

Just a note for packhuntr... Were not all uneducated, I did do my research before i left to the lake. Maybe you should do yours before you start typing up on guys......hmmmmmmmm

[Ryancskor]

Thanks for the heads up Ken!! Appreciated!

[ssyd]

Hope you made a stink about the CO. Idiot like that needs to be pulled off duty and retrained. What a joke that this idiot would take the call and just take the person's allegation as truth. How are we supposed to take F&W seriously when they employ such braindead morons? This isn't the first such story I've read about on this forum.

[Pudelpointer]

Hope you made a stink about the CO. Idiot like that needs to be pulled off duty and retrained. What a joke that this idiot would take the call and just take the person's allegation as truth. How are we supposed to take F&W seriously when they employ such braindead morons? This isn't the first such story I've read about on this forum.

Wow. Tell us how you really feel.

FWIW, don't believe everything you read (not talking about this particular thread), and don't be so quick to judge (a little thing called Karma).

Sounds like the F&W officer was embarrassed about it. Everyone learned a lesson.

[TyreeUM]

packhuntr was just confused is all, He must have thought the lake was stocked with trouser trout...and in that case he would have been correct - no props of any kind allowed at that point.

[greylynx]

Did you receive an apology from the officer?

If you want one, read my post again.

Like I said before, I have been in a similar type of situation with these people.

[ghostguy6]

Hope you made a stink about the CO. Idiot like that needs to be pulled off duty and retrained. What a joke that this idiot would take the call and just take the person's allegation as truth. How are we supposed to take F&W seriously when they employ such braindead morons? This isn't the first such story I've read about on this forum.

I would be careful what you post on this board.... Some ( if not all) of the F&W officers that partol the area around Chickakoo are members of this board. Its generally not a good idea to **** off any LEO. Im sure if they ever met you in person they could find some rule you are violating that you may not even be aware of.

[ssyd]

I would be careful what you post on this board.... Some ( if not all) of the F&W officers that partol the area around Chickakoo are members of this board. Its generally not a good idea to **** off any LEO. Im sure if they ever met you in person they could find some rule you are violating that you may not even be aware of.

That would only serve to doubly prove my point. I should hope our COs would be professional enough not to abuse their power for the sake of personal retribution.

Don't get me wrong here, I don't hate all COs. I've never given one reason to write me up a citation or even a warning. I spent alot of time chatting with the guys that checked Wabamun all winter. They were great guys and knew their stuff.

What I was getting at is that the hiring process is far from perfect and there is not enough oversight into officers' continued performance on the job. If you choose to believe that everyone who upholds the law is infallible, you are incredibly naive.

I still stand by my statement. This officer should be retrained. He's obviously too content in his position and doesn't care enough to ensure he's doing his job properly.

[Tungsten,]

I didn't read all the bla bla so maybe its been said already.I consider this the bible and would think this would trump any signs.

SCHEDULE 2

(Subsection 2(2))

WATERS ON WHICH POWER-DRIVEN VESSELS AND VESSELS DRIVEN BY ELECTRICAL PROPULSION ARE PROHIBITED

PART 1
ALBERTA
Column 1 Column 2 Column 3
Item Name Given by the Gazetteer of Canada or Description Local Name Location Reference (Alberta Land Titles Act Reference System)
Southern Region
1. Unnamed lake Burmis Lake 13-7-3-W5
2. Unnamed reservoir Gold Springs Reservoir 6-2-15-W4
3. Henderson Lake 33-8-21-W4
4. Unnamed reservoir Lehto’s Reservoir 2-13-21-W4
5. Unnamed reservoir Spruce Coulee Reservoir 26-8-2-W4
6. Unnamed lake Taber Fish and Game Pond 1-10-17-W4
7. Unnamed reservoir Granlea Reservoir 33-8-9-W4
8. Unnamed reservoir University Reservoir 25-8-2-W4
9. Unnamed lake Nicholas Sheran Park Lake 26-8-22-W4
10. Unnamed reservoir Ducks Unlimited Reservoir 18-15,16-W4
11. Unnamed lake Bathing Lake 12-4-1-W5
12. Unnamed lake Bovin Lake 19-3-1-W5
13. Unnamed lake Little Beaverdam Lake 34-1-28-W4
14. Unnamed lake Phillips Lake 18-8-5-W5
15. Unnamed reservoir Allison Reservoir 27-8-5-W5
Central Region
1. Unnamed reservoir Anderson’s Reservoir No. 2 25-28-21-W4
2. Unnamed reservoir Anderson’s Reservoir No. 3 24-28-21-W4
3. Unnamed lake Dewitt Pond 31-26-1-W5
4. Unnamed reservoir Hanna-Mattis Reservoir 19-31-12-W4
5. Unnamed reservoir Hilton Reservoir 19-24-23-W4
6. Unnamed reservoir Parks Reservoir 14-31-2-W4
7. Unnamed reservoir Starland Reservoir 26-32-21-W4
8. Unnamed reservoir Strathmore Children’s Pond 14-24-25-W4
9. Langdon Reservoir 23-23-27-W4
10. Unnamed reservoir Braconnier’s Reservoir 20-31-23-W4
11. Unnamed reservoir Clark’s Reservoir 21-30-1-W5
12. Unnamed reservoir Hansen’s Reservoir 29-38-3-W5
13. Unnamed reservoir Hiller’s Reservoir 13-32-29-W4
14. Unnamed reservoir Midway Centennial Reservoir 16-30-27-W4
15. Unnamed lake Sedgewick Lake 16-44-12-W4
16. Unnamed reservoir Neimala Reservoir 1-39-3-W5
17. Unnamed lake Treasure Island 20-46-19-W4
18. Unnamed reservoir Primus Reservoir 28-39-23-W4
19. Unnamed reservoir Pofiango Reservoir 1-44-26-W4
20. Unnamed lake Rosalind Gravel Pit 31-43-17-W4
21. Unnamed reservoir Donalda Pond 20-42-19-W4
22. Unnamed reservoir Hugh Bower Pond 17-38-27-W4
23. Pigeon Lake, as indicated by signs 22-46-28-W4
24. Unnamed lake West Stettler Fish Pond 6-39-19-W4
25. That part of the Elbow River commencing at the west boundary of Section 4, Township 24, Range 2, west of the 5th Meridian where it enters the City of Calgary, and continuing downstream to its confluence with the Bow River in Section 14, Township 24, Range 1, west of the 5th Meridian Elbow River downstream of
04-24-02-W5 to
14-24-1-W5
26. That part of the Bow River commencing at the west boundary of Section 5, Township 25, Range 2, west of the 5th Meridian and continuing downstream to the point where it exits the City of Calgary at the south boundary of Section 20, Township 22, Range 29, west of the 4th Meridian Bow River downstream of
05-25-02-W5 to
20-22-29-W4
East Slopes Region
1. Unnamed lake Ruby Lake 22-44-22-W5
2. Mystery Lake 48-26-W5
3. Unnamed reservoir Pedley Reservoir 2-52-24-W5
4. Unnamed lake Crystal Lake 31-59-18-W5
5. Smoky River upstream of
NW 1/4
18-56-8-W6
6. Berland River upstream of
1-55-4-W6
7. Unnamed lake Lambert Pond 8-53-17-W5
8. Unnamed lake Elbow Lake 26-19-8-W5
9. Unnamed lake Sibbald Lake 14,15-24-7-W5
10. Chilver Lake 28-24-8-W5
11. Shunda Creek 31-40-14-W5
12. Unnamed lake Cow Lake 6,7-28-7-W5
13. Crimson Lake, as indicated by signs 40-8-W5
14. Gap Lake 5-39-13-W5
15. Pinto Lake 36-21-W5
16. Job Lake 20-39-20-W5
17. Unnamed lake near Sundre Eagle Lake 11-32-11-W5
Northeast Region
1. Unnamed lake Dore Lake 12-113-7-W4
2. Unnamed lake Maqua Lake 13-85-9-W4
3. Wolf Lake, as indicated by signs 66-6,7-W4
4. Unnamed lake Crow Lake 32-78-14-W4
5. George Lake 28-57-1-W5
6. Islet Lake that portion being in sectors 1 & 2-52-20-W4
7. Beaverhill Lake 51,52-17,18-W4
8. Unnamed lake Coyote Lake 49-4-W5
9. Bennet Lake 35-52-21-W4
10. Unnamed reservoir Leduc Reservoir 27-49-25-W4
11. Unnamed lake Happy Hollow Lake 64-4-W4
12. Unnamed lake Provost Reservoir 18-39-2-W4
Peace River Region
1. Nose Lake 16-64-11-W6
2. Unnamed lake Motto Lake 4-87-3-W6
3. Unnamed lake Bird’s Pond 22-79-8-W6
4. Two Lakes (North) 29-62-12-W6
5. Unnamed lake Long Lake 62-6-W6
6. Sandhill Lake 82,83-4-W6

[RapStaff]

So.............what's the final word?

I read all those posts to get to where........ here.

Left wondering, bewildered and confused...... pardon my french but.

Wtf.

[QIsley]

The Vessel Restriction Regs split non-muscular powered boats into two groups
Power Driven Vessels (as in gas/diesel power) and Vessels Driven by Electrical Propulsion

Chickakoo is listed in the list of lakes where Power Driven Vessels are prohibited (meaning Gas Powered) and is not listed in the list of lakes where Power-Driven and Electric powered vessels are prohibited.

Therefore it is legal to use electric powered vessels at Chickakoo Lake but not gas powered motors.

Thanks for the heads up about the thread this morning Ryancskor.

Off for retraining..... LOL

Q

[ssyd]

The Vessel Restriction Regs split non-muscular powered boats into two groups
Power Driven Vessels (as in gas/diesel power) and Vessels Driven by Electrical Propulsion

Chickakoo is listed in the list of lakes where Power Driven Vessels are prohibited (meaning Gas Powered) and is not listed in the list of lakes where Power-Driven and Electric powered vessels are prohibited.

Therefore it is legal to use electric powered vessels at Chickakoo Lake but not gas powered motors.

Thanks for the heads up about the thread this morning Ryancskor.

Off for retraining..... LOL

Q

Were you the officer that issued the ticket? If so, why didn't you know the regulations on your beat when you wrote his ticket?

[Geezle]

Were you the officer that issued the ticket? If so, why didn't you know the regulations on your beat when you wrote his ticket?

Wow, was that really called for? Pretty sure he wasn't the guy who issued the WARNING - not ticket.

[ssyd]

Wow, was that really called for? Pretty sure he wasn't the guy who issued the WARNING - not ticket.

It just bothers me that someone who has the power to cost you a substantial amount of money, send you to court (further costing you money) and confiscate your license could get away with not knowing his job inside and out.

I'm sure I'm not making any friends here with my opinion, but I'd bet you'd be as angry as Ryan was in his original post. I'm glad he got it worked out and didn't get a ticket but it shouldn't have happened in the first place.

I'm done bitching, though. I'm just repeating myself now. I hope this officer learned something about diligence from this incident.

[Pudelpointer]

I'm glad he got it worked out and didn't get a ticket but it shouldn't have happened in the first place.

I hope this officer learned something about diligence from this incident.

You are right, it shouldn't have, and I am sure the officer DID learn something. Sounds like he treated the OP with respect while he made his mistake, and the OP seems to be OK with how things turned out.

We all make choices in how we deal with things: you can choose to be a dick, and make a big deal over something small, or you can choose to say "lesson learned" and make a friend. And then we wonder why some LEOs have a bad attitude? You want this guy fired because he did not know if lake X was on a list of dozens of lakes you are not allowed to use an electric motor on? He gave the OP a warning (probably because he wasn't sure in the first place) that's it. He didn't take him down at gun-point, kick him in the face for asking what he did wrong, and then knee-drop onto the back of his neck while he put him in cuffs.... "just in case".

Come on. Relax. Save your outrage for when it is really deserved.

[chubbdarter]

Great Read.

So my nuclear driven submarine is okay?

[billie]

Great Read.

So my nuclear driven submarine is okay?

Yes, but the torpedos are not.

"You must not set out or employ, for the purposes of angling:
a) an explosive device

(Or something like that)

[ssyd]

You are right, it shouldn't have, and I am sure the officer DID learn something. Sounds like he treated the OP with respect while he made his mistake, and the OP seems to be OK with how things turned out.

We all make choices in how we deal with things: you can choose to be a dick, and make a big deal over something small, or you can choose to say "lesson learned" and make a friend. And then we wonder why some LEOs have a bad attitude? You want this guy fired because he did not know if lake X was on a list of dozens of lakes you are not allowed to use an electric motor on? He gave the OP a warning (probably because he wasn't sure in the first place) that's it. He didn't take him down at gun-point, kick him in the face for asking what he did wrong, and then knee-drop onto the back of his neck while he put him in cuffs.... "just in case".

Come on. Relax. Save your outrage for when it is really deserved.

You must have failed the reading comprehension part of fourth grade English. I never said I wanted him fired, just retrained. Please put brain in gear before engaging mouth.

[ssyd]

I said I was done but my buddy gave me an idea I had to do up. I'm done bitching still, I thought it was just too funny not to post :bad_boys_20:

http://members.shaw.ca/psg1_sniper/SuperTroopersSRD.gif

[chubbdarter]

Begin countdown

[timsesink]

You are right, it shouldn't have, and I am sure the officer DID learn something. Sounds like he treated the OP with respect while he made his mistake, and the OP seems to be OK with how things turned out.

We all make choices in how we deal with things: you can choose to be a dick, and make a big deal over something small, or you can choose to say "lesson learned" and make a friend. And then we wonder why some LEOs have a bad attitude? You want this guy fired because he did not know if lake X was on a list of dozens of lakes you are not allowed to use an electric motor on? He gave the OP a warning (probably because he wasn't sure in the first place) that's it. He didn't take him down at gun-point, kick him in the face for asking what he did wrong, and then knee-drop onto the back of his neck while he put him in cuffs.... "just in case".

Come on. Relax. Save your outrage for when it is really deserved.

x2 Some of the verbage that comes out on here about LEO's. With all the sutff they have to know and the crap they have to deal with, being wrong on a unknown regulation on a miniscule lake is the least of their worries. I think from the sounds of it a little more respect could be had for all involved. Everyone loves to shoot their mouth off from behind their keyboards not realizing it's human beings who are trying to do their best.

[Paul C]

What ever:thinking-006:

[courjaco]

who cares its a trout pond they all die at the end and your taxes pay for the fish. i have gone to ponds and had guys bitch about the fish being to small but there is no size limit on most ponds, they are just mad if you catching more fish then them

[ssyd]

x2 Some of the verbage that comes out on here about LEO's. With all the sutff they have to know and the crap they have to deal with, being wrong on a unknown regulation on a miniscule lake is the least of their worries. I think from the sounds of it a little more respect could be had for all involved. Everyone loves to shoot their mouth off from behind their keyboards not realizing it's human beings who are trying to do their best.

Read the rest of the thread instead of Pudelpointer's reductio ad absurdum.

I learned that word from Ken07AOVette's signature :bad_boys_20:

[HunterDave]

x2 Some of the verbage that comes out on here about LEO's. With all the sutff they have to know and the crap they have to deal with, being wrong on a unknown regulation on a miniscule lake is the least of their worries. I think from the sounds of it a little more respect could be had for all involved. Everyone loves to shoot their mouth off from behind their keyboards not realizing it's human beings who are trying to do their best.

All that I can say is that you are a really nice guy. I'm guessing that if you went in for surgery and the Dr amputated the wrong foot you'd be okay with it...........realizing that he was just a human being trying to do his best.

Personally, if I was planning on a nice day of fishing and then told that I couldn't use my boat/electric motor and given a written warning, I might be a little upset when I found out that the F&W fella didn't have a clue of what the actual regs were. :mad0100:

Ryancskor, I think that you need to read post #32 again. I would expect a higher level of professionalism from anyone in a position of authority. Incidents like this are just not acceptable and maybe a boot in the butt will help this F&W fella get on track to become a valuable member of the service. :rolleye2:

[fergy]

I'm not sure, but don't F&W officers patrol the same area and same lakes, if they do you would think that he knows everything there about the lakes he is patroling.

[Pudelpointer]

Hope you made a stink about the CO. Idiot like that needs to be pulled off duty and retrained. What a joke that this idiot would take the call and just take the person's allegation as truth. How are we supposed to take F&W seriously when they employ such braindead morons? This isn't the first such story I've read about on this forum.

Wow, you are right. You did not say "fired", you said "pulled off duty". Called the LEO an "idiot" and a "braindead moron".

I guess I should apologize.... LOL

I see you are continuing to go the route of ignorance and anger. Hope that works out for you.....


Some peoples kids.

[NSRfishing]

lol

[chubbdarter]

No answer in sight.....but the name calling continues....hahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhhah hhahahahahahaahahhahahahahahaahhahahahaahhahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahha ahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahhahahahahahaha

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[Kurt505]

If everyone agrees that ignorance is no excuse to break the laws, what's your take on ignorance enforcing the laws for an excuse? I like to know what the guys that were roasting you for supposedly breaking the law because of ignorance think about an ignorant enforcement of the law.

[RapStaff]

I'm still stuck back at the beginning.......:. Trolling motors allowed? Yah or nah?

Got lost on page 2 for a bit......... page 3 is a complete right off.

A.D.D...... its not just for kids....


Lmao

[admin]

This is going nowhere, thread closed.