My spear is almost done and I will hunt with it this year
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Why don't Sportsmen get it? If you start to ban the hunting practices of others, what makes you think that your way of hunting isn't next? Sportsmen should stick together and show a united front against "anti-hunters". They shouldn't have to defend themselves against other "hunters". If it's one guy in the organization that put that together, I'd fire him as he doesn't get it. You Canadians REALLY need to contact these people via email. It only takes a moment to send an email to all of them. If you let them take this away, you will never know what's next! Quote:
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It's so cruel to chase a poor bear with dogs! Bear baiting. It's too easy to kill a bear over bait and you might bring in protected species. Archery It isn't humane. The poor animal has to suffer even when the mean old hunter makes a good shot! Rifle It's too dangerous. Too many people could get killed by a poorly placed shot. And so on and so forth... This is why Sportsmen need to stick together. There are plenty of anti's out there willing to take the sport away, lets not do their job for them! |
Response from ABA
You'll never get Brent Watson or the ABA to come here and give their official position. Now that Brent and crew have opened the Pandora's box and pushed the Atlatl dudes under the bus all they have to do is sit back and say " its out our hands now and up to SRD."
I challenged Brent in a private email to come here and state their "new" position and he stated that "no one comes to AO anymore and its a poor way to communicate with the masses." Of course he can always fall back on the position that he needs only communicate with the members of the ABA. As far as expecting Brent to man up and admit that they made several errors in their handling of this, it'll never happen. Will he admit that they circumvented the rules of their executive procedures? Nope. He won't even admit that they started out suggesting the "banning" of atlatls even though it's there in black and white now he says " it was all a misunderstanding." Face it boys, Brent and crew won this one and the big losers were the spear chuckers, flint knappers, self bow makers etc. What a shameful way for an organization to conduct themselves. |
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Looks like you guys need to email everyone on this page as well, then:
http://www.bowhunters.ca/Executive_Contact.html |
I sent this and received a rather quick response:
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What's a douche? :) What do you think of the ABA's updated issue explanation? The ABA put that information up on their webpage last week. The continued dodging of admitting the facts of what the executive did and their current position continues. This is certainly not a surprise anymore, the executive continue to make proposals to the AGMAG group without first having the required membership notice and vote.... The ABA is continuing to bluff their way through this issue, even offering misleading information to their membership. For example, from the ABA letter to AO magazine. " In the case of this “issue”, it is still at the discussion level. ESRD has not presented a final proposal; we nor any other stakeholder has been asked for their “position.” If and when that time comes, we will forward the ESRD proposal to our membership through all our communication methods, garner feedback and have the members vote on the ESRD Proposal at the next ABA AGM relative to the announcement of any such proposal. The result of that will be forwarded immediately to ESRD. " F&W has already offered a proposed Weapon definition, which I posted here back on April 8. http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showp...&postcount=274 The intention of the ABA to have a "vote" at the following AGM on a Final proposal is designed to be irrelevant. The next ABA AGM will be in March/April 2015 while the Final Decision by F&W will be made BEFORE then. What is the point is having a vote AFTER F&W have already decided and finalized the changes? I suggest that the ABA executives stop playing ostrich and state the position they they will lobby for now, before the next AGMAG meeting May 28, 2014. Do I think they will? Not a chance. The executive have been asked many times to state their position over the last month and they have yet to give an answer. This is very sad that the leaders of this organization are not willing to tell their membership what they will do when representing them. |
Great reply WB! We need to, still, address this issue with a no holds barred mindset! The executive(s) behind this farce need to be brought on the carpet!
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Slang: Vulgar. a contemptible or despicable person. What do I think of their updated explanation... If I had to guess, I'd say a bowhunter, possibly the guy that started this, had his bow hunt interrupted by a spear chucker. Seems more like a personal vendetta than something that is actually needed. If whoever started this is so bored as to dream this up without having a personal reason for it, well... that guy has too much time on his hands and could have spent his time and efforts elsewhere, for the betterment of the sport. This action is NOT for the betterment of anything other than an anti-hunter style agenda. |
I've never seen a supposed "hunting" organization work so hard to oppose or restrict other hunters. Give them a little more time and they will wade into the gun control debate, on the anti side, just to get rid of the competition.
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From what I understand they are going to define weapons next year and they might as well define the seasons that some of the weapons belong in. The only reasonable explanation for the ABA opening this can of worms and then standing on the sidelines is that they can't defend keeping them out of the archery season.:thinking-006: |
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Maybe we will push for the use of these in the Archery Season. Why not?
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So you think that a method that requires a person to get close to there prey and has to move just as much as a archer to get a shot off, if not more belongs in the general season? Could you explain why spears and altatls do not belong in the archery season? They are both just as primitive as archery and just as difficult to be successful if not more. Are the spear and altalts hunters going to over harvest? Do they have advantages that archers don't? The only so called vendetta I have is with those that seem to think that archers need to have there own special season with nothing else allowed even thou the success rate of some other methods is lower and more difficult to become proficient. Aren't these the same reasons that started the archery season in the first place? If not why do we have a archery season in the fist place? |
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What is an elite archer? Is it a Olympic archer? Is it someone that chooses to only hunt with archery equipment? Or is it just a term you use for a person that you disagree with that has chosen a specific way they prefer to hunt? |
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As for the elite archer, I hunt with a bow, but I am not apposed to having other methods that have the similar success rates and require close range hunting. What I consider the elite archer is someone who is close minded and isn't open to anything but there own personal agenda. I would really like to know the reasoning for not having some of these methods in the archery season. I can't think of any legitimate reasons. Maybe I am missing something and if I am that is fine but at least I am open to the possibility of change if it has valid reasons. |
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That does it! I'm getting one. All this hoopla have peaked my interest. Look out deer.
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Now I want one too…
I don't think the, "Sportsmen must always stick together" argument is all that solid. Some "hunting" practices are clearly very damaging to our standing as legitimate land users, and make us look far worse as a group than spears or Atlais ever would. Good discussion and examination of what we're doing is a good thing I figure, most of the above is that so great. However, I think many on here would be surprised by how pro-hunting many of the "granolas" actually are. Surprisingly, many non-hunters view bow hunting as more legitimate than rifle hunting. Atlais and spears wouldn't really freak them out more, and I bet a lot of the non-hunting world would see it as more sporting and "fairer." Insert arguments here, but we're killing wild animals, the method of that kill is either irrelevant or seen as more ethical if done by human power to the relatively few true "antis" I run into. I think you'd get some serious respect at MEC (and you'd be surprised how many hunters work there…) if you offered a class on traditional African hunting where you ran the deer down in the Rockies... As I read the letters and reasoning above from the ABA I am not impressed at all. What a narrow, reactionary and unfounded viewpoint. |
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As for spears they are not archery gear so if they are aloud this season leave them were they are.:) |
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In 1956, the Alberta Provincial Archery Association and the Edmonton Bowhunters joined to form the Alberta Bowhunters and Archers Association. The number one goal of this new association was to legalize bowhunting in the Province of Alberta. This goal was acheived in 1957 and in 1958 a Bowhunter named Ray Anderson harvested the first legal animal in the Province of Alberta with a Bow and Arrow! Armed with his trusty 85 pound Howard Hill Longbow and using 3/8th inch birch dowell tipped with a Howard Hill Broadhead, Ray harvested a cow elk! The 42 members of the newly formed ABAA then set out on their next quest, to lobby government for changes to the Fish and Wildlife Act that related directly to bowhunters. Bowhunters had to comply with the same rules governing gun hunters in respect to clothing, season length and even the Bucks and Bulls rule. The first "Bow and Arrow Only" zone was established and called Zone 8. This zone is still a Bow zone and is known world wide as WMU 410, the Canmore Corridor! In 1969 the ABAA was able to secure some changes in the F&W Act. Bowhunters are allowed to wear camoflauge clothing. Seasons are lengthened for bowhunters. In 1970, the Government agreed to allow the use of aluminium arrows for the first time. In 1974, the Government instituted a Bowhunting license (stamp) to better count the number of bowhunters in the province. The cost of this original stamp was $3.00 and the first year there were 34 bowhunters licensed in the province. This number doubled the next year and with the phenomenal growth of the sport has increased to approx. 16,000 bowhunters in the Province of Alberta. In 1975, the Government set aside two more "Bow and Arrow Only" zones in the province. One surrounds the City of Edmonton in the northern part of the province and one around Calgary in the south. Both of these zones are very productive and with proper management will last for years to come. In 1976-77, the ABAA successfully won the fight for "archery only" ( pre-season ) seasons. The ABAA was also successful in getting the Archery Antelope draw in place. 20 years to create archer seasons.1956 to 1976. Pre seasons over and above hunting season. Would you expect any less from an organization to protect what they have fought for? Everyone makes mistakes, was the spear/atlatl proposal a mistake? Maybe. Would I stop supporting a group for one mistake? Not likely. It's odd how so many focus on one issue when there is so much other good going on. Does anyone comment on how the ABA provides funding to HFT, NASP, donates to it's affiliated clubs in merchandise? And all this after they do NOT receive any government funding. And, can NOT fund raise in the form of casinos. Put down an association because you didn't like the actions or opinions of one or two people. You think you can do a better job? STEP UP. Archery seasons do not take opportunity away from anyone other than those that chose not to participate. I don't see this conversation moving forward. Just more bashing and going in circles. |
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I disagree with a lot of Brent's personal choices being put ahead with out any other members support or consultation. I think it is time for him to pass the reigns to another member. As for Me I am not interested in fixing all of Brents mistakes as I feel the membership renewals are going to be way down after this last stunt. Oh and by the way I am personally againt spears and atlis use in Alberta and Canada but I am not pushing to get anything past as I think it is bad for hunters in a whole to do so. I NEVER PUT DOWN THE ABA JUST BRENT. Anything else TOX? |
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