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As you say Vin...studies need to be read in their entirety and put in the context they were meant to be. I spoke with Mark Boyce a few weeks ago and it seems there is more research being conducted into how trophy hunting affects trophy quality over time. It's always been a subject that facinates me. It's not hard to believe how we could select for certain genetic traits by only targeting certain trophy qualities like 6-point elk, full curl sheep but I'm not sure I buy into Coltman's theory.....Be interesting to see what comes out of it. |
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Is anyone discounting science TJ. If one wants to you can get info to back any side you want. And you can get any to back any point you wish. I posted a few links that I thought were interesting. I dont try and claim I am a personal friend of every Bio or scientist out there like some. Just because you say you talked to so and so and oh this is the way it is because he told me... well im sure this impresses some but not all. If there was a study and written statistics that havent been disputed or disprooven by one group or another I love to see them!
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HI SG, First off, I need to learn how to do the Quote part of posting.:)
Second, I'm glad you are here (most of the time :lol:) keeping this thread active. THird, I really think we should be discussing pressuring Gov.ab.ca to get active with predator control (selective wolf kills) and habitat enhancement (controlled burns for winter range), NOT HUNTER MANAGEMENT! |
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For what it's worth, I totally agree. |
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Hi SH,........... ANyone else here anymore?
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I agree and have stated numerous times that predator control has to be number one. |
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There are a couple of things I took from the facts of these studies so far. One of them is that increased number of rams will not necessarily equal increased opportunities at larger rams. "but at high population density several rams never became legal."
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I remember a 177" ram shot on the panther that was confiscated as it was a half inch short of 4/5. Frank Coggins was the back country gaurdian then and told me it was a massive ram that was at best guess 10 yrs old, 35" long and broomed big time. Shows that even large old rams may never make legal. |
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I posted this thread a few days ago. Read for yourself, conclude your own opinion. THe way I read it, the govt. is already sacrificing hunting to the wolves.
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http://www.westfraser.com/environmen...0-%20final.pdf Remember, ACA gets a lot of our hunting liscence money, and they are promoting wolves before hunters. Call write knock on their door (politely)! |
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Burning would be an option to help increase the carrying capacity but it seems many times when burning is done it doesnt burn into these higher areas of just grasses and lichens. They need to maybe put the time in to just target these areas. |
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Interestingly, in the study to show that hunter selection had a negative effect he does not make mention of the fact that the herd he was studying went through a tremendous growth period which greatly stressed the resource base of the herd. From the data he shows mentioned above it would seem that resource availability would be a stronger factor than hunter selection in the results seen. (there is another paper that addresses specifically the negative effect of hunter selection. It is available from publications page for Dr. Coltman at U of A.) |
Would be nice if these studies were province wide and not just a couple areas. Most data that any of these studies reports is from Sheep River Sanctuary, Ram Mountain, a couple mines, and a little in Banff. With these areas they are documenting alot of unhunted sheep herds and as with ram mountain, a geneticly stale gene pool. Just be good to have a larger geographical base for their studies.
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I have been reading all the post and don't remember all of them now but I was wondering if anyone could awnser if the F&W have a reason for keeping ewe tags open? I know lots of the guides that put in for them and when they get them they rip them up. Just wondering.
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Some info on Ram Mountain...
38sq.kms 30kms from nearest mountain range. Population high of around 200 but has dropped to around 30 animals. Only genetic change was in 2005 when they transplanted 6 young rams and 6 ewes from Cadomin to try and get a little diversity. As far as I can find so far no studies have been done to show the affects of this transplant(but im still looking). Hunting is allowed but has had little or zero effect on population as recorded harvests from the area are low to non existant. |
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And if these 5, 6 and 7 year old rams were allowed to age a little more we would have 8, 9 and 10 year old rams doing the breeding. That funny on the big horns on draw post you had stated that 5-7 yr old Rams weren't the ones doing the breeding because they haven't reached breeding status yet and that it was the older Rams in fact doing the breeding. Now you make it sound like the younger Rams are the ones doing the breeding. So which is it the young or the old Rams breeding, from what I seen it's the younger Rams!! |
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Never stated that this is the actual ages of rams breeding. And if your right and we only have young rams breeding then its all the more reason to push for a more mature group of huntable rams. IMO SG |
These discussions on sheep management have been great. Aside from a little bickering here and there, and with everyone's passion on the subject a little bickering is to be expected, our concern for properly managing our wildlife is really good to see. If nonhunters could see how much we care about wildlife, hunting would be viewed in a much better light.
So how do we present our ideas to F&W so we can be part of establishing a management plan? I have wildlife management training (from many years ago) and some of my family has worked for Canadian Wildlife Service for many years. I have been impressed, and CWS biologists family would be too, by the knowledge and understanding of the issues facing sheep. I'm sure the people in charge of managing sheep in the province would learn from much of what we have to say. Biologists do not always understand the full scope of what they are studying unless concerned parties bring ideas to them. I spoke to a young bio out of RMH last year about sheep. While quite knowledgable, it was clear that they did not have a complete grasp of all the issues. Do management suggestions come from groups such as FNAWS or AFGA? I think a coherent presentation compiled from much of what has been brought forward here, would be of benefit to those putting together management plans. Some on this forum, I'm sure, have contacts with people who work on wildlife management plans for the province. How can we make a difference? |
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