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Gun's don't kill people without a person holding onto it and unfortunately good people sell guns to bad guys. I am all for good guys having guns and bad guys not. So they need to stop the problem at the source rather than going in circle arguments. |
How about the murder rate in Edmonton GMA, 50 homicides in 2011? Poverty?
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If you want mico statistics just look up crime rates in Bowness versus Elbow Park. Plus we are talking US cities with US gun laws. Gun crime in Canada is gigantically lower than the US. Lots of stats on other threads to review. |
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"17 Shot- 6 Dead in Chicago - Memorial Day Weekend." Comforting facts for the ones who got shot. I know I'd feel better.:thinking-006: On top of being shot I'd be loser in the stats game. |
According to this article about 80% of the murders are drug gang related.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/escalon...o-streets.html Is it really so bad that these people are killing each other off? Obviously the justice industry won't deal with them. So for a recap, drugs/drug trafficking(illegal), gun possession (illegal), murder (illegal), gun trafficking(illegal) shooting on city streets(illegal), yet lax gun laws in other parts of the US are the problem with Chicago. That takes a leap of logic that I can't make. |
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You do hit on one valid point. If you added up all the murders the percentage of law abiding folks being killed by bad Guys versus bad guys killing each other is rarely discussed. I would love that info compared by country. |
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Edit Interesting chart from StatsCan. Quite a bit was lost in translation, here is the link. http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-.../tbl04-eng.htm Table 4 Firearm-related and gang-related homicides, Canada's ten largest census metropolitan areas, 2010 Census metropolitan area (CMA)1 Firearm-related homicides Gang-related homicides Total homicides number rate2 percent of total homicides number rate2 percent of total homicides number Toronto 40 0.70 50.0 20 0.35 25.0 80 Montréal 16 0.41 32.7 14 0.36 28.6 49 Vancouver 16 0.67 44.4 12 0.50 33.3 36 Edmonton 8 0.68 25.0 4 0.34 12.5 32 Winnipeg 7 0.90 31.8 4 0.51 18.2 22 Calgary 3 0.24 20.0 1 0.08 6.7 15 Ottawa3 2 0.21 15.4 0 0.00 0.0 13 Hamilton 1 0.14 8.3 0 0.00 0.0 12 Québec 1 0.13 16.7 0 0.00 0.0 6 Kitchener–Cambridge–Waterloo 0 0.00 0.0 1 0.19 25.0 4 1. A census metropolitan area (CMA) consists of one or more neighbouring municipalities situated around an urban core. A CMA must have a total population of at least 100,000 of which 50,000 or more live in the urban core. To be included in the CMA, other adjacent municipalities must have a high degree of integration with the urban core, as measured by commuting flows derived from census data. A CMA typically comprises more than one police service. 2. Rates are calculated per 100,000 population. Population estimates at July 1st 2010 provided by Statistics Canada, Demography Division. Estimates are preliminary postcensal for 2010. 3. Ottawa refers to the Ontario part of the Ottawa–Gatineau CMA. Source: Statistics Canada, Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics, Homicide Survey. |
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The UK doesn't keep stats on gang violence. I wonder why? This reference from the BBC is about all I could find. Not overly helpful, but interesting. How is it possible that 60%of shootings are gang related. I thought guns were all but banned in England. It should be easy to keep them out, it is an island after all. (SARCASIM)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15238377 "At least half of the 27 murders of teenagers in London in 2007 were gang-related, according to the Metropolitan Police. Officers in Liverpool and Manchester have said in the past that 60% of shootings are linked to gangs." |
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Stats, shmats! Better to have a gun and not need it....
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Edit I'm not finding anything. |
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Did 30 seconds of research on the google, London had 27 Murders in 2012 total. Population is over 15 million.
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For comparison NYC had 414 murders and 18 million people London has 120 murders for 15 million people. |
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http://www.citizensreportuk.org/repo...n-murders.html You sure do get a lot of numbers wrong, I guess you think it helps build your case. Some would call it deceitful. |
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And New York is 8 million. Maybe he was looking at the greater metropolitan areas? |
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I do rank random killing of innocent people or murder for robbery, rape etc. as a different ranking that gang on gang violence for instance. Them folks should all be put onto a island...last man standing gets a free trip to Disneyworld before being sent to Saudi Arabia with a kilo of coke in his carry on. |
where's ol rocky7 when you need him, he was much better at re-hashing the same old guns arguements over and over and over.............annnnnnnnd over. lol
Fact is guns make it pretty easy for anyone to kill. I think alot of people would think twice or wouldnt have the physical strength to manually beat some one to death. Give them a gun and pop pop. |
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The murder rate has everything to do with the demographics of the United States and little to do with guns.
Murder Rate per 100,000 Africa:17 Mexico: 23.7 UK: 1.2 USA: 4.8 USA is actually doing pretty good for what they have to work with. |
But But Mexico has such strict gun control, how on earth can people do all dem moiders?
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Who's up for an Elephant burger?
From the World Health Organization: The latest Murder Statistics for the world: Murders per 100,000 citizens Honduras 91.6 El Salvador 69.2 Cote d'lvoire 56.9 Jamaica 52.2 Venezuela 45.1 Belize 41.4 US Virgin Islands 39.2 Guatemala 38.5 Saint Kits and Nevis 38.2 Zambia 38.0 Uganda 36.3 Malawi 36.0 Lesotho 35.2 Trinidad and Tobago 35.2 Colombia 33.4 South Africa 31.8 Congo 30.8 Central African Republic 29.3 Bahamas 27.4 Puerto Rico 26.2 Saint Lucia 25.2 Dominican Republic 25.0 Tanzania 24.5 Sudan 24.2 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9 Ethiopia 22.5 Guinea 22.5 Dominica 22.1 Burundi 21.7 Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7 Panama 21.6 Brazil 21.0 Equatorial Guinea 20.7 Guinea-Bissau 20.2 Kenya 20.1 Kyrgyzstan 20.1 Cameroon 19.7 Montserrat 19.7 Greenland 19.2 Angola 19.0 Guyana 18.6 Burkina Faso 18.0 Eritrea 17.8 Namibia 17.2 Rwanda 17.1 Mexico 16.9 Chad 15.8 Ghana 15.7 Ecuador 15.2 North Korea 15.2 Benin 15.1 Sierra Leone 14.9 Mauritania 14.7 Botswana 14.5 Zimbabwe 14.3 Gabon 13.8 Nicaragua 13.6 French Guiana 13.3 Papua New Guinea 13.0 Swaziland 12.9 Bermuda 12.3 Comoros 12.2 Nigeria 12.2 Cape Verde 11.6 Grenada 11.5 Paraguay 11.5 Barbados 11.3 Togo 10.9 Gambia 10.8 Peru 10.8 Myanmar 10.2 Russia 10.2 Liberia 10.1 Costa Rica 10.0 Nauru 9.8 Bolivia 8.9 Mozambique 8.8 Kazakhstan 8.8 Senegal 8.7 Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7 Mongolia 8.7 British Virgin Islands 8.6 Cayman Islands 8.4 Seychelles 8.3 Madagascar 8.1 Indonesia 8.1 Mali 8.0 Pakistan 7.8 Moldova 7.5 Kiribati 7.3 Guadeloupe 7.0 Haiti 6.9 Timor-Leste 6.9 Anguilla 6.8 Antigua and Barbuda 6.8 Lithuania 6.6 Uruguay 5.9 Philippines 5.4 Ukraine 5.2 Estonia 5.2 Cuba 5.0 Belarus 4.9 Thailand 4.8 Suriname 4.6 Laos 4.6 Georgia 4.3 Martinique 4.2 And The United States 4.2 ALL the countries above America have 100% gun bans |
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