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As a longtime NCC supporter this is fairly concerning news to me. Where can I learn more about this? |
Yes 3blade shows us the facts please.....or are you just throwing out a theory?
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^ Their partners (last one in the list): https://www.natureconservancy.ca/en/...ewardship.html
For the Midgeley Conservation Area, they say: The Midgeley Conservation Area is the newest addition to the Nature Conservancy of Canada's (NCC's) wildlife corridor initiative in southeastern British Columbia. The project aims to make it easier for an isolated population of grizzlies to connect with a larger bear population to the east. […] The Yellowstone to Yukon Conservation Initiative (Y2Y) played a key role in this project. The joint U.S.-Canada organization works to ensure that wild animals are able to move through and around human communities and activities within the 1.3-square-kilometre Yellowstone to Yukon region. Y2Y provided half the purchase funds for the property. It also helped fund the research that identified the significance of this parcel. Additional funding for the project came from TD Bank Group, through its TD Forests program, the Columbia Basin Trust, Fish and Wildlife Compensation Program, Donner Canadian Foundation and the Kootenay Conservation Program. This is just from quick google search and the two out of the top three results. |
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Yes, it’s easy to find info about these organizations working together - personally, I’m concerned with the allegation of restricting access by race, or restricting hunting access altogether Y2Y has hunting, trapping and fishing statements which sound very reasonable to me. Can’t find anything to support 3blade’s concerning claims https://y2y.net/about/vision-mission...es-principles/ |
Oh lord, here we go again :rolleye2:
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There is a dramatic difference (reduction) in available ungulate feed when herbicides are sprayed in non-agricultural areas. B.C. has some very good and recent data on this matter. Quote:
Y2Y scrubbed their original public anti-hunting statement to the current undefinable politispeak. Vingui, research how Y2Y made agreements with First Nations to gain their support, where hunting could continue on the land, but only for First Nations. Yes, Y2Y long ago stooped to being a racist organization. |
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Much like hunting a burn after a forest fire. It’s funny once all the trees are gone the grasses really take off and the ungulates flock to those areas. The BC university may disagree with my conclusions but I’ve never had an empty freezer using these methods for hunting. |
Can someone post a cake recipe I would like to make a cake and eat it to for scientific reasons.
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Y2Y had strongly worded statements along the lines of no predator hunting, FN hunting being acceptable (so there’s your defining hunting access by race) and the elimination of resource extraction (yes that includes keeping fish). They changed the website to avoid criticism. They also funded the political attack on grizzly hunting in Alberta and BC. KVT (former BHA executive and now back room big shot, Y2Y founding member) has been a long time anti hunter, he draws sheep tags and doesn’t shoot, was pushing that strategy to his ecoterrorists. When I brought up the inequality of the FN hunts in Jasper and Banff and asked for a BHA public statement on the matter, he had me banned. Plenty of racist and antihunting sentiment in his books as well. You can look up AVB and all his crap, same organizations. The former NDP environment minister Shannon Phillips is a card carrying Y2Y member, we all know what happened to the castle and all the lies that were told there. So if that’s who the NCC is working with, to hell with them. |
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From Y2Y page (I believe 2020):
With respect to Indigenous Peoples, Y2Y recognizes that hunting, trapping, fishing and gathering are long-standing cultural and spiritual practices that are the subject of treaty and/or constitutionally protected rights. With respect to hunting by non-Indigenous Peoples, Y2Y: supports fair chase principles as an important part of an ethical framework for hunting and opposes hunting of captive game animals. __________________________________________________ __________ Need some clarification Walking Buffalo, is this just a lie, or have they changed their declaration since 2020? Looking for some truth |
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Doesn't bother me. As I identify as a indigenous, trinary hunter, varminter and sometimes fisher person. Should give me free and easy access. It all depends on how you play the game :sHa_sarcasticlol:
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These are genuinely concerning claims and I am curious to learn more, but frankly a loosely blended mix of initials and unfounded accusations is doing nothing for your case. Cheers |
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Well done sir! :) |
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This is right from the Y2Y webpage:
The Yellowstone to Yukon Conservation Initiative (Y2Y) is committed to the long-term ecological health of wildlife populations and wildlife habitat within the Yellowstone to Yukon region. Within this context, Y2Y supports hunting, trapping, fishing and gathering, recognizing that these activities: are an important part of social, cultural histories and traditions are part of the economy and food security of the Yellowstone to Yukon region can help to maintain or manage fish and wildlife population health are generally sustainable when: the rules and regulations of federal, Indigenous, and provincial/state/territorial governments concerning access and harvest numbers are informed by the best available evidence, including science and Indigenous and local knowledge, and hunters, trappers and anglers follow applicable rules and regulations. With respect to Indigenous Peoples, Y2Y recognizes that hunting, trapping, fishing and gathering are long-standing cultural and spiritual practices that are the subject of treaty and/or constitutionally protected rights. With respect to hunting by non-Indigenous Peoples, Y2Y: supports fair chase principles as an important part of an ethical framework for hunting and opposes hunting of captive game animals. Y2Y also recognizes the legitimacy of temporarily or permanently setting aside selected areas in which hunting, fishing, or trapping are not permitted, based on science and Indigenous and local knowledge, to help protect wildlife populations and their genes, and to act as source populations for the broader landscape that ecologically healthy landscapes should generally be able to support sustainably managed and regulated hunting, trapping, fishing, and gathering. Last revised: December 2020 That took all of 15 seconds to look up. I suggest all interested people go check out the Y2Y website: https://y2y.net/about/vision-mission/ Nothing there about only allowing natives to hunt. |
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I drive that area between CNP and Waterton, Cardston area and love it. I personally would hate to see the larger pieces of land chopped up into acreages. The Nature Conservancy might appeal to some ranchers for similar reasons I would think. It's a beautiful place but I wouldn't want to have to make a living on it. |
Its amazing how much Y2Y love that has recently appeared on this forum. The Patagonia people are infiltrating us at an alarming rate. I think we need to start calling a spade a spade and out these traitors. They do not have our best interests in mind. It's all about locking users out of the back country for their own special interests.
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Pretty sure this thread has nothing to do with Backcountry. NCC bought a ranch. I'm neither for or against Y2Y. From what I see and hear, they don't evoke fear or rage or hate in me like they obviously do in some people on here. As for this ranch becoming NCC land and how that will effect future hunting access, it was probably not easy to get access before and from what I know about accessing other NCC properties, it might get a little easier for the average Joe to access. So what's the big deal exactly? |
A bunch of these deals are just easements on the land. NCC pays a sum to the rancher to not develop the property, add a bunch of buildings or greatly disturb the habitat. So the rancher gets to stay on the place with a pocket full of money and the land stays intact. Sounds pretty nefarious alright.
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I even got called back from two different people, both the same day. I don't know how easy it was to access before being NCC land, but it sure was easy for me. |
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#1, health/injuries 2, ability to draw a quality tag 3, having a decent population of critters to chase after 4, being able to get the time off work during the season. Hippies coming for all the land doesn't make the list. |
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